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[ThreeF]

I have heard this too and I've never seen it. The only thing I can think of is maybe if you conscript the templars (I've always allied) but I don't see why that would particularly make him mad :/ I mean he does make a comment about wishing you would have been able to help the mages but it's not in anger and he certainly doesn't dwell on it.

Yes exactly,  in my game he is never all that heart broken or angry...hmm, I do have a save just before the allying/conscription will try and see if this changes anything.

[Hazegurl]

I allied with the Templars and asked Dorian about his homeland. I then asked "Why don't you go back?" Oh man did he blow a gasket. lol!! I also think it helped that I called him foolish for believing in me.

[Nymeria Stark]

And the conversation when you give him the Amulet:

 

Not hugely different, but it feels a bit smoother (probably the wrong word, but that's all I got atm).

 

Mmm, didn't you put wrong video there? That's the one when you return the amulet after bringing him to the merchant.

I think this is the one you wanted to put, when you surprise him giving him amulet:

 

 

It's nice to see the different reaction when you surprise him, but i think i would still go with him to see the merchant, I always want more Dorian scenes. 

[Arlee]

I allied with the Templars and asked Dorian about his homeland. I then asked "Why don't you go back?" Oh man did he blow a gasket. lol!! I also think it helped that I called him foolish for believing in me.

 

Lol, that's funny. I don't think I've ever asked him that. I know I've asked him about if he even likes his homeland at all. Oh wait, now that I think about it there is one conversation option you do get when you go Templars that I only picked once because I really didn't like it and I think that has the why don't you go back line. It's after he decides to join the Inquisition you can ask him about why he's really there and Dorian does get pretty steamed during that convo and will leave if you tell him to.

 

Mmm, didn't you put wrong video there? That's the one when you return the amulet after bringing him to the merchant.

I think this is the one you wanted to put, when you surprise him giving him amulet:

 

 

It's nice to see the different reaction when you surprise him, but i think i would still go with him to see the merchant, I always want more Dorian scenes. 

 

That's odd, I copied the link from my youtube channel and I don't have a video where I took him with me to see the merchant up there.

[Nymeria Stark]

That's odd, I copied the link from my youtube channel and I don't have a video where I took him with me to see the merchant up there.

 

Strange, maybe the surprised reaction is when you don't even ask him about the amulet he lost, and then going to the merchant alone? I always talked to him about amulet in Skyhold, (and then bring him to merchant), so i never got the surprised reaction.

[Arlee]

Strange, maybe the surprised reaction is when you don't even ask him about the amulet he lost, and then going to the merchant alone? I always talked to him about amulet in Skyhold, (and then bring him to merchant), so i never got the surprised reaction.

 

Oooh... I never even considered it was possible to do that... hmmm. I think I have a save right before doing the amulet quest. I'll give it try when I get home tonight

[Emperor Iaius I]

Faerunner: oh, I wasn't aware of that bit about cows and farmers. But you're right, there's really only one way to take that: and that's a sense that he doesn't think they should be running the place. You could strain his meaning if you wanted to be really charitable... but I don't think that's how anybody would take that comment. So yeah, pretty insensitive, ouch.

I'm running a female Lavellan right now so romance isn't an option, but he's pretty callous towards elves sometimes. I cut him slack because I like him, but damn. The slavery discussion was all sorts of uncomfortable for an elf.

I admire the writing though. Dorian's a reform-minded guy, but he's still a part of his milieu. He still acts like an aristocrat. They didn't take the easy route and make him an unrealistically good guy -- they made him good but a product of his environment nonetheless. Very impressive.

[TheRatPack55]

I admire the writing though. Dorian's a reform-minded guy, but he's still a part of his milieu. He still acts like an aristocrat. They didn't take the easy route and make him an unrealistically good guy -- they made him good but a product of his environment nonetheless. Very impressive.

 

^this. this is exactly what i'm, personally, looking for in characters, and this is why i enjoy bioware games so much - the characters are real (well, as much as characters can get, anyway)

 

i'd probably be far less interested in dorian had he been completely against everything tevinter. the way he is now - tevinter is his home, his world, he'd been happy there, happy with his life for a long time, and it shows, even now when he's disillusioned about many things

 

and that's what makes him a compelling character, he is who he is, but he means well, and that's ok with me

 

i'm also really tired of the 'i have been wrong about A Thing, i am irredeemable, i must atone for the rest of my life' stereotypes... dudes, chill, have a drink, people are nuanced

[Hazegurl]

Strange, maybe the surprised reaction is when you don't even ask him about the amulet he lost, and then going to the merchant alone? I always talked to him about amulet in Skyhold, (and then bring him to merchant), so i never got the surprised reaction.

Right. I didn't ask him about it at all. I just did it, and got the surprise response.

[Arlee]

^this. this is exactly what i'm, personally, looking for in characters, and this is why i enjoy bioware games so much - the characters are real (well, as much as characters can get, anyway)

 

i'd probably be far less interested in dorian had he been completely against everything tevinter. the way he is now - tevinter is his home, his world, he'd been happy there, happy with his life for a long time, and it shows, even now when he's disillusioned about many things

 

and that's what makes him a compelling character, he is who he is, but he means well, and that's ok with me

 

I also really like in a banter with Cass she mentions her parents died when she was young, and he responds by saying he wouldn't say she's lucky because that's not accurate. I thought it was really touching to see even with his issues with his parents he hasn't forgotten there were good things. It's one of the character traits of his I particularly like.

[Sui Causa]

Any Lavellan that is romancing Dorian has to be a little bit different to begin with, so that is easy enough to head-canon in there. Dalish are usually exiled from their clans for fraternizing with a shem. So Lavellan is going through quite a bit of growth himself when he is with Dorian. Whether or not his clan actually would exile him is a different story, but that is still would have been how he was raised, and he is going against it with Dorian. (And that's just the fact that he's human, nevermind that he's a tevinter mage!)

 

They're figuring things out together, that is my head canon for it anyways!

[Emperor Iaius I]

I've been a Tevinter fan since the beginning -- they're the Ancient Rome of the setting, after all. They have a history and culture unlike anything else in Thedas (rivaled/exceeded only by the ancient elves). A lot of people want them destroyed because of their evil, but they're too important for Thedas to lose imo.

This is exactly Dorian's position. That's why he's my favorite here -- it's the closest thing to having me in the game (ironic that he better represents my view than the three player characters I controlled I these games).

[Yuyana]

Faerunner: oh, I wasn't aware of that bit about cows and farmers. But you're right, there's really only one way to take that: and that's a sense that he doesn't think they should be running the place. You could strain his meaning if you wanted to be really charitable... but I don't think that's how anybody would take that comment. So yeah, pretty insensitive, ouch.

I'm running a female Lavellan right now so romance isn't an option, but he's pretty callous towards elves sometimes. I cut him slack because I like him, but damn. The slavery discussion was all sorts of uncomfortable for an elf.

I admire the writing though. Dorian's a reform-minded guy, but he's still a part of his milieu. He still acts like an aristocrat. They didn't take the easy route and make him an unrealistically good guy -- they made him good but a product of his environment nonetheless. Very impressive.

I always thought that he is just giving examples of... unrealistic things? Or maybe he realy is against cows milking farmers.

[Dr. Doctor]

Thought to ask you guys here:

I'm hearing that siding with Templars can make Dorian very angry. For some reason it seems I can't trigger it, I even specifically talked to him at the Redcliffe chantry, no reaction whatsoever, what gives?

Only with low approval. I miss the friend/rival system. Although Rival Dorian would probably either go into maximum oversnark or be in serious Dorian mode all the time.

[ThreeF]

Only with low approval. I miss the friend/rival system. Although Rival Dorian would probably either go into maximum oversnark or be in serious Dorian mode all the time.

Oh I see, so it's something that can happen much later. I though it was something default that was suppose to happen right after getting to Skyhold

[nightscrawl]

Only with low approval. I miss the friend/rival system. Although Rival Dorian would probably either go into maximum oversnark or be in serious Dorian mode all the time.

I love him to bits and serious Dorian is my fav, but I think that a Rival Dorian would basically be a male Vivienne. Generally serious, then he comes out with these hugely condescending (laced with snark) remarks that will just make you want to slap him. It would get tiresome after a while.

 

Honestly, the party banter and seeing his sardonic humor is one of the things that saves Fenris for me because that adds an extra dimension to the continuous brooding.

[Gervaise]

I think both the mages and the Templars paths have some credibility issues.  With the mages it is that whole time travel thing whilst with the Templars I really don't get why we are being accompanied/supported in our approach by a bunch of Orlesian nobles when the Templar base is in the heart of Ferelden.   Did the monarch give us a free pass on that one?    Seeing as how much the Hinterlands was suffering from the mage/Templar situation, as opposed to Orlais suffering from their own civil war, I'd have thought the support of Ferelden nobles would have been more appropriate and more likely to have swayed genuinely good Templars.  I agree with the reasoning about the differing trust you give to Dorian and Cole in the two runs; it did seem laughable that the moment you make a decision for the mages Dorian magically appears at your door to lend his help, yet has clearly not been hanging out in the vicinity since if you opt for the mages he has to run for his life ahead of Corypheus' forces.

 

For my male Lavellan, who is himself a hunter, Dorian ascribing what was going on to time magic seemed a bit hard to swallow.   He was pretty convinced that what was going on had to do with blood magic mind control, particularly considering who we were dealing with.    However, on the face of it, when the mages felt threatened they ran into the arms of Tevinter, so in the words of Shartan "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".   There is no love lost between him and the Templar order but given a choice between them and Tevinter, he opts for the Templars.  He conscripts them afterwards though since they've lost all their senior officers so it makes sense to him.    Ironically of course he ends up romancing a Tevinter mage.

 

My female mage Lavellan was more sympathetic towards the mages, particularly those who seem to have been given no choice in the matter, and having healthy respect for the magical power of Tevinter, if not the actual inhabitants, is more able to believe Dorian's assertions about time travel.    I have to admit that travelling through time with Dorian does make it a lot easier to trust him and shrug your shoulders when he says some of the more objectionable sounding things (to elven ears).   She was really quite smitten with him and I kept wondering how long he was going to keep the fact hidden from her that he was gay.   When we did his personal quest and everything was revealed this was one time that I was able to say what I felt since when we got back to Skyhold she did give him a mild reproof about leading her on, then put it behind her and suggested they could still be friends.     As a result, from that point on (since we had already had all the contentious discussions about slavery and such back in Haven) her time with Dorian was a really positive one and he became a really devoted companion, which was just as well considering what Solas did to her.

 

I also agree that I wouldn't want Dorian to be an unbelievable goody two shoes.   I'd always expected that he'd have a positive view on slavery and use the arguments he did.    I just wish the writers had acknowledged that a relationship is a two way thing and that occasionally he'd been allowed to recognise how his words might offend or distress the one he is supposed to care about.   I know he has no experience of a proper relationship but he's not stupid and really sometimes its just a matter of common humanity.   Why can he talk affectionately about Felix but deride his lover for "sentiment" when they're just trying to show him that they care?

[Dr. Doctor]

Male Vivienne just gives me the mental image of all of Vivienne's lines being read by Lawrence Fishburne.

[Hazegurl]

Oh I see, so it's something that can happen much later. I though it was something default that was suppose to happen right after getting to Skyhold

It can happen when you first get to skyhold, it happened to me. Side with the Temps, ally with them, ask Dorian why doesn't he go back home. You should get the "Caged Dragon" speech out of him. That's what happened to me. But the dialogue is screwy in this game.

[ThreeF]

It can happen when you first get to skyhold, it happened to me. Side with the Temps, ally with them, ask Dorian why doesn't he go back home. You should get the "Caged Dragon" speech out of him. That's what happened to me. But the dialogue is screwy in this game.

Oh! You mean the special dialogue where you get to kick him out if you want right after you recruit him, the one that asks "why are you really here".

 

I clicked on it, thought "what a weird dialogue choice" and reloaded, because it had no relation to what I had said to Dorian when recruiting him just a second ago.

[Arlee]

Oh! You mean the special dialogue where you get to kick him out if you want right after you recruit him, the one that asks "why are you really here".

 

I clicked on it, thought "what a weird dialogue choice" and reloaded, because it had no relation to what I had said to Dorian when recruiting him just a second ago.

 

Yea, I hate that dialogue option and the way the conversation playsout is just awful imo. So I never pick it anymore. I sort of get what they were going for, but it's just weird and awkward.

 

Oh also, I have to say one of my favorite lines from him is when you first talk to him after arriving in Skyhold and he does that whole monologue thing about "archdemons like to crush". I knew from that moment I was going to love him (Templars were the path I did in my first pt). And the "I was distracted" response is completely perfect

[Hazegurl]

Oh! You mean the special dialogue where you get to kick him out if you want right after you recruit him, the one that asks "why are you really here".

 

I clicked on it, thought "what a weird dialogue choice" and reloaded, because it had no relation to what I had said to Dorian when recruiting him just a second ago.

Actually it wasn't the special dialogue. It's one of the question dialouges. I asked him questions about his homeland then asked him about Tevinter being that bad. Then Dorian begins talking about how much he loves it. Then one of the questions is "Why not go back?" If your approval is high he'll explain why he can't. If your approval is low he'll start yelling and then caged dragon. Then the special option popped up for me to kick him out. Of course I chose not to. I was still able to build up a relationship and romance him.

[ThreeF]

Oh also, I have to say one of my favorite lines from him is when you first talk to him after arriving in Skyhold and he does that whole monologue thing about "archdemons like to crush". I knew from that moment I was going to love him (Templars were the path I did in my first pt). And the "I was distracted" response is completely perfect

 

Mine is at the Redcliffe dungeon where he says "I have some thoughts on that. They are lovely thoughts, like little jewels" . The funny thing is that I have a friend who sort of speaks like Dorian, we both died laughing when I showed him this line.

[Arlee]

Actually it wasn't the special dialogue. It's one of the question dialouges. I asked him questions about his homeland then asked him about Tevinter being that bad. Then Dorian begins talking about how much he loves it. Then one of the questions is "Why not go back?" If your approval is high he'll explain why he can't. If your approval is low he'll start yelling and then caged dragon. Then the special option popped up for me to kick him out. Of course I chose not to. I was still able to build up a relationship and romance him.

 

Ah, I was thinking of the dialogue that starts by you asking him why he's really there. He has a ton of anger in that convo ><

 

Mine is at the Redcliffe dungeon where he says "I have some thoughts on that. They are lovely thoughts, like little jewels" . The funny thing is that I have a friend who sort of speaks like Dorian, we both died laughing when I showed him this line.

 

That is also a good one But I didn't get to hear it until my second pt sadly.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Mine is at the Redcliffe dungeon where he says "I have some thoughts on that. They are lovely thoughts, like little jewels" . The funny thing is that I have a friend who sort of speaks like Dorian, we both died laughing when I showed him this line.

And when you're talking to Fiona and you're like Dorian can fix this, and she goes on about how important it is, and then Dorian says "I said maybe. It might also turn us into paste."

 

He has so many good moments during that mission.