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[FrostDragon]

I also imagine Dorian being around 28-30. I like to headcanon he is older than my Inquisitor.

 

And I just found this cute Dorian/Lavellan comic fanart. I love Dorian being taller 

Spoiler

 

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http://sing-sei.tumb...ian-would-feel#

 

Short people problems. I love that comic.

[Fredward]

I also imagine Dorian being around 28-30. I like to headcanon he is older than my Inquisitor.

 

And I just found this cute Dorian/Lavellan comic fanart. I love Dorian being taller 

 

Spoiler

 

http://sing-sei.tumb...ian-would-feel#

 

Do you guys think this is technically accurate? Are elves really 5'3? Interested parties (me) must know!

[d4eaming]

Do you guys think this is technically accurate? Are elves really 5'3? Interested parties (me) must know!

 

Works for me, but I find it amusing to have my hero short.

 

And short elf snuggling up to a tall Dorian makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[d4eaming]

That... is the most adorable thing I have seen months. 

 

I've been needing to remake my Dorian-romancing Lavellan anyway, since I realized my first one looked way too much like a boy who lived down the street from me growing up. (Sorry Mason, wherever you are.) Totally using this as inspiration for my next character, and incorporating aspects of this adorable comic for headcanon. It's so cute, I don't even...

I have this mental image of Lavellan going up to Dorian and looking him over, then thinking "damnit, why you so tall?" while contemplating the least embarrassing way to reach him for a kiss.

 

I could also picture Dorian picking him up, which is adorable itself but would fluster my mage beyond reason.

[NoRmAnDy-SR2]

I am the only one who finds it weird that Iron Bull and Dorian completely ignoring each others romances with Inquisitor? They don't have any party banter, Dorian comments on Inquisitor romancing everyone except the Bull. Bull has that conversation about the "save word" and you can ask him about most of the followers, except Dorian.

[Fredward]

I am the only one who finds it weird that Iron Bull and Dorian completely ignoring each others romances with Inquisitor? They don't have any party banter, Dorian comments on Inquisitor romancing everyone except the Bull. Bull has that conversation about the "save word" and you can ask him about most of the followers, except Dorian.

 

What if you sleep with Bull, break up with him, and go with Dorian? Oooooh le plot, she tickens.

 

No but seriously does anyone know if those kinds of banters exist? They existed in the previous two games. In fact Fenris and Anders being all alpha-male over my Hawke was one of my favourite banters. Especially when Isabela just pops in to say 'oh please, I've slept with her too.'

[d4eaming]

What if you sleep with Bull, break up with him, and go with Dorian? Oooooh le plot, she tickens.

 

No but seriously does anyone know if those kinds of banters exist? They existed in the previous two games. In fact Fenris and Anders being all alpha-male over my Hawke was one of my favourite banters. Especially when Isabela just pops in to say 'oh please, I've slept with her too.'

 

Bahaha, Fenris and Anders fighting over Hawke was great, especially when sleeping with Fenris and then going to Anders after. Those two sniping each other over it... Though that Hawke would have liked to tell them both to get over it and let's all go have drinks and maybe an orgy.

[nightscrawl]

Short people problems. I love that comic.

I generally prefer my human Inquisitor, but as a 4'11" person IRL this is REALLY adorable.

[Gervaise]

Late twenties would put him pretty much the same age as my Lavellan.   Of course my Lavellan looks more like 16 with his body build and his "angelic face".   He's a real golden boy to contrast with Dorian's tall, dark and handsome.    I've always looked young for my years so I know it can be difficult pinning down an age based on looks alone.

 

Dorian and Vivienne have had a really bad affect on my hunter.   He was a practical woodsman, wearing whatever is best for the job.   Now what with Vivienne going on about image and wanting to keep up with Dorian, I'm constantly looking at the latest bit of armour and thinking "I know the stats are better but does it really look as good as the one I'm wearing?"    A voice in my head keeps saying "The game won't care, you could be wearing a dishcloth and it wouldn't make any difference to Dorian".   Come to think of it Dorian might actually prefer me in a dishcloth (loin cloth).  

[nightscrawl]

To me it seems he stopped working with Alexius awhile before leaving Tevinter. Like the order it seemed to me was he did whatever school thing they do there, did his apprenticeship with Alexius, his dad tries to force Dorian to do the marriage thing and Dorian refuses, he quits working with Alexius, Dorian finds out about the blood ritual plan his father has and leaves, some time after that (probably pretty close to the start of inquisition) Alexius finds him and tries to get him to join the Venitori which also then puts Dorian on alert that he's into something crazy and things need to be fixed, explosion at the Temple.
 
If things went like that I could see him definitely as late 20's early 30's.

Interesting, my way of thinking was similar to yours, only I reversed the order of "he quits working with Alexius" and "his dad tries to force Dorian to do the marriage thing and Dorian refuses."

This was my reasoning... I figured that the incident with Alexuis's wife and Felix happened forcing him into this grief spiral. Dorian, being pissy in his Dorian way, tells Alexius to "snap out of it," they quarrel and Dorian leaves. I kind of assumed that he returned home to Qarinus at this point and this is when his father started to pressure him about getting married. Dorian says no, Halward plans the blood magic ritual, Dorian finds out and leaves Qarinus.

Now, at this point I'm unsure. When you first meet Dorian he says that he is "recently of Minrathous," which is where I assumed that he had his apprenticeship with Alexius. Alexius, being a Magister, would have a residence there even if Minrathous isn't his home "district." So I kind of assumed that Dorian went back to Minrathous because he is familiar with it. Alexius approached Dorian to recruit him for the Vanatori, Dorian refuses. At this point both of the men that Dorian had admired and looked up to completely betrayed everything they taught him. He can't do anything about his father's betrayal, but he CAN about Alexius's. So he follows Alexius to Ferelden and the rest is history.
 
 

The implication is that a bride *was* picked out for Dorian, but I can also see there being a societal acceptance of a man entering into marriage later than women.

I don't think there is too much implication here. She has a name and everything.
 

Varric: Should you be married off right now, Sparkler? Little magelets running amok.
Dorian: If my family had their way.
Varric: Had someone lined up for you, huh?
Dorian: Livia Herathinos. Bright girl, hourglass figure, wicked tongue. Relieved I'm gone, I expect.
Varric: Sounds like you two would have made a happy couple.
Dorian: Oh yes. Trading coy insults at every party would have been a delight.

 

This makes me wonder though... what would be worse? Dorian being forced to marry a girl he really dislikes, similar to his father? OR marrying a girl who is totally smitten with him -- all that charm and everything -- and he thinks is OK, but is just not interested?

I'm thinking the second one might be worse for Dorian. He would be miserable either way, but I think the second has added guilt he might not feel if they loathed each other.

[tklivory]

I don't think there is too much implication here. She has a name and everything.

 

Welp, I totally missed that, or just plain forgot.  I've been so busy puttering around with the game without playing it, it's been a while since I actually played it intensively. Oh well. 

[Dr. Doctor]

This makes me wonder though... what would be worse? Dorian being forced to marry a girl he really dislikes, similar to his father? OR marrying a girl who is totally smitten with him -- all that charm and everything -- and he thinks is OK, but is just not interested?

I'm thinking the second one might be worse for Dorian. He would be miserable either way, but I think the second has added guilt he might not feel if they loathed each other.

I'd think that Dorian would at least have a similar conversation to what he says to a lady Inquisitor in option 2. There is the whole "we take care of the formalities and then take care of our needs" route.

It's not ideal and it would require Dorian to swallow some of his pride and do something he's not entirely comfortable with. Yes, he does have to fight for what he believes in, but sometimes you have to put the needs of others above your own.

[nightscrawl]

Yes, he does have to fight for what he believes in, but sometimes you have to put the needs of others above your own.

But what are those "needs of others" exactly? Tevinter is in decline and everyone there knows it. Continuing the Pavus legacy isn't really helpful to anyone, other than perhaps his parents' (his father in particular) peace of mind.

[Gervaise]

Interesting about the girl actually having a name.   I've had Dorian and Varric in the same party but clearly not long enough for the subject to come up. His Dad trying to push the issue with blood magic makes sense now if it was all set up and Dorian just needed to toe the line.   I imagine so long as Dorian was actively working with Alexius he was a bit shielded from his parents' plans because there was a "valid" excuse for why now might not be the right time to get married but once he left Alexius they felt the way was clear to marry him off and start breeding.

 

I've been thinking that the ideal plot arrangement if you are involved with Dorian would have been to have Hushed Whispers but then the Calpurnia sub-plot.   I like being able to save his mentor from himself and Felix going back to Minrathous and that virtually the final act of his life is to praise the Inquisition on the Senate house floor.   It's so obvious what these two things mean to Dorian and the alternative on Champions of the Just is disappointing because he doesn't even know for certain what happened to them.     However, the whole business with Calpurnia is far more interesting than Sampson and I liked Dorian's  reaction if you let her walk away after revealing Corypheus' plans for her.   She was going to confront him so I wonder if she did survive?   

[Dr. Doctor]

But what are those "needs of others" exactly? Tevinter is in decline and everyone there knows it. Continuing the Pavus legacy isn't really helpful to anyone, other than perhaps his parents' (his father in particular) peace of mind.

It's not so much the family legacy as it is a powerful tool. Tevinter needs to change, and unless Calpernia or Dorian goes the Julius Caesar route having the option on the table isn't the worst idea ever.

[Arlee]

Interesting, my way of thinking was similar to yours, only I reversed the order of "he quits working with Alexius" and "his dad tries to force Dorian to do the marriage thing and Dorian refuses."

This was my reasoning... I figured that the incident with Alexuis's wife and Felix happened forcing him into this grief spiral. Dorian, being pissy in his Dorian way, tells Alexius to "snap out of it," they quarrel and Dorian leaves. I kind of assumed that he returned home to Qarinus at this point and this is when his father started to pressure him about getting married. Dorian says no, Halward plans the blood magic ritual, Dorian finds out and leaves Qarinus.

Now, at this point I'm unsure. When you first meet Dorian he says that he is "recently of Minrathous," which is where I assumed that he had his apprenticeship with Alexius. Alexius, being a Magister, would have a residence there even if Minrathous isn't his home "district." So I kind of assumed that Dorian went back to Minrathous because he is familiar with it. Alexius approached Dorian to recruit him for the Vanatori, Dorian refuses. At this point both of the men that Dorian had admired and looked up to completely betrayed everything they taught him. He can't do anything about his father's betrayal, but he CAN about Alexius's. So he follows Alexius to Ferelden and the rest is history.

 

This makes me wonder though... what would be worse? Dorian being forced to marry a girl he really dislikes, similar to his father? OR marrying a girl who is totally smitten with him -- all that charm and everything -- and he thinks is OK, but is just not interested?

I'm thinking the second one might be worse for Dorian. He would be miserable either way, but I think the second has added guilt he might not feel if they loathed each other.

 

That's an interesting flip as well, I could certainly see it happening that way. I mostly put the other order because since apparently his father wasn't a big into blood magic sort, I think there was likely a fair amount of time between when Dorian refuses and when the whole blood magic thing goes down. I mean Halward was clearly desperate, but I would imagine it would take some amount of time before he would turn to blood magic as the answer here.

 

As for which possibility would be worse Dorian I would imagine it would have to be someone who he despises and who despises him. I can't imagine someone liking him and caring about him and not understanding that aspect of him, and I don't think it's the sort of thing which would be able to be kept any sort of a secret. So while I think there might be some guilt there, they'd also have some level of basic understanding for each other which could be comforting. Whereas if they despised each other it would be all around bad, and he's doesn't seem like he particularly enjoys being mean to anyone so I don't think he'd enjoy any aspect of that sort of pairing.

 

I've been thinking that the ideal plot arrangement if you are involved with Dorian would have been to have Hushed Whispers but then the Calpurnia sub-plot.   I like being able to save his mentor from himself and Felix going back to Minrathous and that virtually the final act of his life is to praise the Inquisition on the Senate house floor.   It's so obvious what these two things mean to Dorian and the alternative on Champions of the Just is disappointing because he doesn't even know for certain what happened to them.     However, the whole business with Calpurnia is far more interesting than Sampson and I liked Dorian's  reaction if you let her walk away after revealing Corypheus' plans for her.   She was going to confront him so I wonder if she did survive?   

 

I always hope she does. Probably not likely because I don't see why Cory wouldn't murder her for turning on him, but yea. Though he seemed surprised when he saw the Inquisitor at the well so maybe he didn't run into her and she is still alive?

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm hoping for a Calpernia-Dorian team up. Also, let's get Morvan the Goat-Thrower in there too.

[FantiSci]

I'd think that Dorian would at least have a similar conversation to what he says to a lady Inquisitor in option 2. There is the whole "we take care of the formalities and then take care of our needs" route.

It's not ideal and it would require Dorian to swallow some of his pride and do something he's not entirely comfortable with. Yes, he does have to fight for what he believes in, but sometimes you have to put the needs of others above your own.

 

I have to say, I'm with Nightscrawl - what would be the point? Say a romanced Dorian dumps the Quizzy to crusade in Tevinter, marries an appropriate woman to keep his family happy and the bloodline going, and sires a sprog or two. What's achieved? At best, there are a few more people his enemies can poison to get at him. I take the point that family is everything to Tevinter nobles, but Pavus is only one house, and now Dorian's just another noble. In fact, he'd lose credibility if it looked as though he'd been brought to heel. There's a really thin line between changing the system from within and being beaten by the system. 

 

As for the girl...well, I think he's got a bit of empathy for Livia (I STILL get visions of "Don't eat the figs"); he says she's "probably glad I'm gone." I always took that as a nod to the fact that Dorian realised that it wasn't just his happiness getting thrown under the bus; he wouldn't be the one who'd have to endure at least a year of pregnancy (probably more, if House Pavus needed "spares"...and Dorian's dad would definitely demand spares, just in case any of the magelets took after their father. He wouldn't make that mistake twice). Bad enough being forced to have sex with someone you are completely incompatible with - imagine being used as a baby-factory by someone you loathe. Worse still, it's not even your own family you're a brood mare for: it's a completely different family you've been traded to.

 

And I can't see the kids being much better off. I imagine Dorian would at least make a go of being a decent father, but...well, parents aren't always as magnanimous as they'd like to be. Halward seemed to figure that if his married life was miserable, and HE still had to do it, he didn't see why Dorian should escape. A Dorian who was forced to dump the love of his life (or even a community where he was cared for and accepted) to "do his duty"  might decide that he's suffered enough and see no reason not to pass the burden on to his kids. Not healthy.

 

The best he could hope for is a set up like the one in that keep where the wife knew about her husband's lover and was fairly sanguine about the whole thing. I suppose a friendly woman with a sense of humour and infinite amounts of patience could make it bearable...but she'd be a martyr, and Dorian still wouldn't be entirely happy. Especially if he knew what it was like to be truly in love. 

 

In short: Dorian no longer has any duty to House Pavus unless he decides he does. If his family don't provide him with anything, he doesn't owe them anything.

[Marlena_8]

I also imagine Dorian being around 28-30. I like to headcanon he is older than my Inquisitor.

 

And I just found this cute Dorian/Lavellan comic fanart. I love Dorian being taller 

 

Spoiler

 

http://sing-sei.tumb...ian-would-feel#

OMG  I want to give this a 1,000 likes! 

[Fredward]

Yah know I have a serious restarting problem and every time I see a piece of fanart in this thread I drop my current playthrough and go "OOOOH I WANT TO PLAY A X/Y/Z INSTEAD!"

 

It's a problem.

[Nymeria Stark]

I guess i was lucky that elf of comic looks exactly like my first elf i made for Dorian, same hair and eyes xD. But i was planning to make my 2nd elf with black hair and green eyes and now it's going to be hard to change after this, i might have to make elf like the one in comic again   

[TheRatPack55]

Yah know I have a serious restarting problem and every time I see a piece of fanart in this thread I drop my current playthrough and go "OOOOH I WANT TO PLAY A X/Y/Z INSTEAD!"

 

It's a problem.

 

i used to be like this, getting new ideas all the time and wanting to try them out, but I realized it ultimately kept me from finishing anything, so eventually I forced myself to stick to one char till the end.

 

Still, I did abandon a 50-hours cullenmance playthrough to indeed stick with this dorianmancing inquisitor, so, eh...

 

_{but that still didn't make me comprehend solas, so I guess a solasmance is in order...but those creepy elf body models... ugh}