Not related to the current conversation, I just wanted to come hug the sanest peeps on BSN. And no, you really don't want to know.
/that is all
I can't help but be curious about that. It's like telling a child to not want a pony, the kid is obviously going to want a pony 
I can't help but be curious about that. It's like telling a child to not want a pony, the kid is obviously going to want a pony
I can't help but be curious about that. It's like telling a child to not want a pony, the kid is obviously going to want a pony
Just... roamed too deeply into BSN. Thar be monsters lurking in the shadows, and they look the same as you or I. Well, except our choice of LI is far handsomer.
You see whenever I venture that deep into BSN, I always post this gif and come to think of it...it is rather fitting for Dorian when he wants to partake in some wine.
Not related to the current conversation, I just wanted to come hug the sanest peeps on BSN. And no, you really don't want to know.
/that is all
Now I haaaaaaaaaave to know.
Now I haaaaaaaaaave to know.
Well I'm out of the running because I am one of the more gutter headed crazy people on here.
I wonder if drinking from the well does matter. In mine for both I did do the "I'll go with you" option because I like it. But on the "I'd understand one" he said he would leave, and my character did drink from the well. He does disapprove when you drink from the well so I guess it could be approval related?
This is a particularly elusive answer. This has been brought up at least 3 different times on this thread over the last month or two and still nobody has a clue.
Just... roamed too deeply into BSN. Thar be monsters lurking in the shadows, and they look the same as you or I. Well, except our choice of LI is far handsomer.
Fan forums are either a happy place or a scary place. When you find the scary ones, you just have to promptly turn around and find a happier place, ie: here. 
There's also this weird bug when Dorian says he'll stay with you during the party, but after the credits he's all "It will be difficult to return to Tevinter after all this." And if you don't talk to him at the party he says "Staying in the South could prove interesting. One's always warmest next to the fire."
My biggest misgiving about the way in which the writers have handled the end with Dorian is that they have left the door open to bringing him back without the Inquisitor in a subsequent instalment of the game. Now you can view that as good news because it means more Dorian or bad news because he's no longer with the Inquisitor.
It is a bit how I felt when there was no Zevran in Awakening and then he turned up in DA2 and was cheating on my Warden. I was thinking, this isn't Zevran, it's an imposter. Thankfully they put that right in DAI. My Dorian run is on the back of my city elf Warden who romanced Zevran and I received her letter saying Zevran is with her looking for a cure. That made me feel a whole lot better. It looks like Lelianna is never getting back with my Warden whether she becomes Divine or not. May be Morrigan has gone in search of the Warden at the end but I wouldn't hold my breath on it. And those Wardens who kept Alistair with them instead of making him king may have a nasty surprise waiting for them when they get back.
Then you have what they have done with Hawke. I'm alone because I sent Fenris away in case he got killed protecting me. Really? After all that went on in Kirkwall, now you send him away? And from what Varric says that hasn't stopped Fenris killing stuff so clearly he is still putting himself in danger, probably more so without Hawke's influence. Now I could never go through with the Anders romance to the end (I sort of picked up something bad was going to happen first run and thereafter couldn't bring myself to romance a terrorist bomber). However, had I romanced him I would find it hard to believe you would leave him behind, considering how unstable he is. Sebastian is a bit more believable since he does have other responsibilities.
Which is why I'm just going to savour the moment with lovely Dorian since judging from past experience, even if you think your lover is staying with you, some how it never works out that way.
Then you have what they have done with Hawke. I'm alone because I sent Fenris away in case he got killed protecting me. Really? After all that went on in Kirkwall, now you send him away? And from what Varric says that hasn't stopped Fenris killing stuff so clearly he is still putting himself in danger, probably more so without Hawke's influence. Now I could never go through with the Anders romance to the end (I sort of picked up something bad was going to happen first run and thereafter couldn't bring myself to romance a terrorist bomber). However, had I romanced him I would find it hard to believe you would leave him behind, considering how unstable he is. Sebastian is a bit more believable since he does have other responsibilities.
Which is why I'm just going to savour the moment with lovely Dorian since judging from past experience, even if you think your lover is staying with you, some how it never works out that way.
For me, leaving Anders behind made a lot of sense after what happened in the Legacy DLC. I really like how it turned out since Anders is my canon romance. For Fenris it doesn't make much sense, he doesn't have anything to keep him away.
You're right, I'd forgotten about what happens in Legacy if Anders is with you. Better keep him as far from Corypheus as possible. Certainly wouldn't sacrifice Hawke though; that could have a really bad affect on Anders.
It is a bit how I felt when there was no Zevran in Awakening and then he turned up in DA2 and was cheating on my Warden. I was thinking, this isn't Zevran, it's an imposter.
My biggest misgiving about the way in which the writers have handled the end with Dorian is that they have left the door open to bringing him back without the Inquisitor in a subsequent instalment of the game. Now you can view that as good news because it means more Dorian or bad news because he's no longer with the Inquisitor.
It is a bit how I felt when there was no Zevran in Awakening and then he turned up in DA2 and was cheating on my Warden. I was thinking, this isn't Zevran, it's an imposter.
Considering that in my canon world, my Warden is Ultimate Sacrifice and my Hawke was sorta in a relationship with Sebastian before I fed her to the Nightmare... well... I don't have a good record with LIs in Dragon Age games. I hope that Dorian's opposite day continues forever and that it 'ends soon'.
Just a thread-unrelated question, since I also had a Sebastian-mancing Hawke that I left to rot perform a heroic sacrifice, did your Hawke mention Seb in her last moments? Mine only said to say goodbye to Varric, who later mentioned he was going to write Sebastian with the news... I thought that was a little cold of Hawke, but then again, I always knew she was a hypocritical mage-murdering douche... 
Makers breath, DanaDuchy just posted a lot of Dorian screenshots, just look at him *drools* Album here: http://imgur.com/a/1QsjT
I'm fine with them bringing him back provided that it is consistent with the relationship you had, so no getting his kit off with the latest PC if he is in a long distance relationship with the Inquisitor. Flirting is okay; I know he loves to flirt. I know the Zevran thing was meant to be a bug but no one considered it important enough to fix. Wasn't just Hawke either, you could avoid that, but after he went off with Isabella I had to avoid having her party as well.
The other drawback is that of people coming back and not being the same. Mind you, I think that one is more likely to apply to Solas for obvious reasons.
I just got the quest where Dorian meets his father, and I'm a little disappointed how Dorian's character is played. DA:I does a good job of downplaying sexual preferences. But with Dorian his homosexuality seems a little too over-emphasized. And then we get to this quest and (spoiler alert, do we use spoiler alerts in this forum?) Dorian's father tried to use blood magic reparative therapy to forcibly change his sexuality against his will. which emphasized it even more. I think a bit more subtlety would have been better.
I just got the quest where Dorian meets his father, and I'm a little disappointed how Dorian's character is played. DA:I does a good job of downplaying sexual preferences. But with Dorian his homosexuality seems a little too over-emphasized. And then we get to this quest and (spoiler alert, do we use spoiler alerts in this forum?) Dorian's father tried to use blood magic reparative therapy to forcibly change his sexuality against his will. which emphasized it even more. I think a bit more subtlety would have been better.
It's not supposed to be subtle. It's meant to be a brick to the face to make the player feel horrified on Dorian's behalf. It works on some players and not on others, just as the Mother Giselle The Dawn Will Come scene works on some players and not on others.
Also, his homosexuality isn't the sole issue here, it's a component of the "problem" (as Halward sees it). If Dorian had gone along with his father's wishes and gotten married to the right girl and had his gay sex on the side it wouldn't have been as much of an issue. But Dorian refused to do that because he didn't want to "live a lie," which is a big part of Dorian's character: being true to oneself.
David Gaider was clearly sending a message with this character. I don't think he initially sought out to do this, but the opportunity presented itself and he took it. But, so what? You either like the character or you don't, and that includes all facets of his personality and history. Is it really that bad that this character was used to make a point? IMO we still got a great character out of it, so the path that led here is irrelevant to me.
Just... roamed too deeply into BSN. Thar be monsters lurking in the shadows, and they look the same as you or I. Well, except our choice of LI is far handsomer.
Ah, yes... there are a lot of disturbing places on the BSN.
There's also this weird bug when Dorian says he'll stay with you during the party, but after the credits he's all "It will be difficult to return to Tevinter after all this." And if you don't talk to him at the party he says "Staying in the South could prove interesting. One's always warmest next to the fire."
Huh... He said the whole thing about it being weird to have a divine who has spies and knows how to use them, but I don't remember what he said after that... I can't even go check because my PS4 is broken 
Then you have what they have done with Hawke. I'm alone because I sent Fenris away in case he got killed protecting me. Really? After all that went on in Kirkwall, now you send him away? And from what Varric says that hasn't stopped Fenris killing stuff so clearly he is still putting himself in danger, probably more so without Hawke's influence. Now I could never go through with the Anders romance to the end (I sort of picked up something bad was going to happen first run and thereafter couldn't bring myself to romance a terrorist bomber). However, had I romanced him I would find it hard to believe you would leave him behind, considering how unstable he is. Sebastian is a bit more believable since he does have other responsibilities.
Yea I don't get the whole leaving Fenris behind thing. Of course if he had been there I wouldn't have been able to sacrifice that Hawk, which I still feel awful about Of course, I am also sad because when I sacrificed Alistair it was because that Hawk had romanced Anders and I felt like bad things would happen if she had run off on her own and gotten killed... of course at the time I didn't realize
Makers breath, DanaDuchy just posted a lot of Dorian screenshots, just look at him *drools* Album here: http://imgur.com/a/1QsjT
OMG, so many of those are amazing. And not just of Dorian, there are a bunch of awesome pics of the other companions too! Must bookmark that!
The other drawback is that of people coming back and not being the same. Mind you, I think that one is more likely to apply to Solas for obvious reasons.
I'm on the fence when it comes to this aspect of it. Part of the reason that the Anders development was so jarring is because it took place largely offscreen for players who were familiar with him. That, in addition to him looking different in the new DA2 engine, led many players to feel a disconnect between DAA and DA2 Anders. However, I have to believe the writers when they say that they were happy with the way the (or their) character was developed. David Gaider wrote Anders for DAA and he liked what Jennifer Hepler did with him for DA2. To me that is really what matters.
We are looking at it from an outside perspective as fans of whatever character, just as we would look at it from an outside perspective if someone we knew in real life underwent dramatic personality changes. In many cases there are reasons for those changes.
I just got the quest where Dorian meets his father, and I'm a little disappointed how Dorian's character is played. DA:I does a good job of downplaying sexual preferences. But with Dorian his homosexuality seems a little too over-emphasized. And then we get to this quest and (spoiler alert, do we use spoiler alerts in this forum?) Dorian's father tried to use blood magic reparative therapy to forcibly change his sexuality against his will. which emphasized it even more. I think a bit more subtlety would have been better.
Nightscrawl already gave you a real answer, so I'll just say take your 'you can be gay, just not too gay' homophobic nonsense and go.
I don't get why people complain about the mentioning of Dorians sexuality in his quest. It's only a means to justify why he will not play out the part his father would've wanted for him.
I was just rewatched a video of the scene where Dorian meets with his father and I was reminded that Dorian's response if the Inquisitor asks what he means when he says he prefers the company of men is pretty hysterical. I feel bad for laughing at it, because I don't think it is intended to be funny and that whole scene isn't funny and is rather serious. But every time I see a video with that line in I crack up. I don't even know why it's so funny to me ><
I was just rewatched a video of the scene where Dorian meets with his father and I was reminded that Dorian's response if the Inquisitor asks what he means when he says he prefers the company of men is pretty hysterical. I feel bad for laughing at it, because I don't think it is intended to be funny and that whole scene isn't funny and is rather serious. But every time I see a video with that line in I crack up. I don't even know why it's so funny to me ><
I don't see a problem with this! I also found it hilarious, it's just how his VA delivers those lines, it's priceless! I think it's meant to be very sarcastic 
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