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[nightscrawl]

Here is a link to two Danaduchy pieces showing messenger snippets with Dorian. I always seem to miss these. I've heard some of the Josephine ones, but never any of the responses from Dorian, nor any of the Leliana ones. I feel so deprived! I also miss most of the Cullen ones since I don't go out there too often. I suppose Josie's are easily accessible since you go back and forth to the war table all the time.

 

First between Dorian and Josephine.

Second between Dorian and Leliana.

 

These are great. I wondered where people were getting the whole "stealing wine" thing, and now I know: "Just fourteen? Hmm, I should consider myself lucky." Jeez Dorian... He really does reference alcohol, like... a lot o_O. It makes the references by Fenris seem like child's play. That said, it seems excessive to me because I don't drink IRL -- not a teetotaler, it's just something I'm not interested in beyond the extremely rare fruity malty beverage -- but that level of consumption does seem logical for someone of Dorian's background. [This is not to get into another discussion on the issue, just an observation.]

 

 

Anyone have any tips for catching these messengers in the act?

[courteoustoverbs]

Here is a link to two Danaduchy pieces showing messenger snippets with Dorian. I always seem to miss these. I've heard some of the Josephine ones, but never any of the responses from Dorian, nor any of the Leliana ones. I feel so deprived! I also miss most of the Cullen ones since I don't go out there too often. I suppose Josie's are easily accessible since you go back and forth to the war table all the time.

 

First between Dorian and Josephine.

Second between Dorian and Leliana.

 

Anyone have any tips for catching these messengers in the act?

So these have audio, I guess? I'd love to hear these! I think I may have heard the one about the outfits in-game . . .

[Sabreenei]

Luckily for us, the conversations for Dorian are right at the beginning of this!

 

[courteoustoverbs]

Luckily for us, the conversations for Dorian are right at the beginning of this!

 

Wheeee! Thanks!

[Nymeria Stark]

I love female characters, hip swing and all! As for looks, I think it's easy enough to create a more realistic looking character, and since it's a single player, you don't have to look at all the over-the-top other characters like you do in an MMO. Though I wish they'd given us a choice between more feminine animations and more masculine animations. I don't mind either, but what throws me off is how they run with a hip swing, but sit with their legs as wide as blazes. The dichotomy gets to me.

 

I usually play rogues and mages (rogues are my favorite), so I have no problem immersing myself in a feminine character. Though I do like playing as a warrior qunari lady, too! If there was such a thing as body sliders, I'd give my characters that swing a sword broader shoulders and more muscled arms, one of the reasons Adaar works so well for me there.

 

I agree with you there, my female elves/humans are usually rogues, and whether they are dagger or archer rogue, they just need to be swift and agile, no muscles needed there, so they are immersive enough to me.

 

Here is a link to two Danaduchy pieces showing messenger snippets with Dorian. I always seem to miss these. I've heard some of the Josephine ones, but never any of the responses from Dorian, nor any of the Leliana ones. I feel so deprived! I also miss most of the Cullen ones since I don't go out there too often. I suppose Josie's are easily accessible since you go back and forth to the war table all the time.

 

First between Dorian and Josephine.

Second between Dorian and Leliana.

 

That's weird, i have the same problem. I heard almost every Josephine dialogue with the messengers in my game, including the ones about Dorian, but i never heard or saw Dorian talking with any messenger, and i visit him all the time to kiss him lol.... i wonder if it's some bug -.-

 

And Dorian's comment about Leliana is here

 

[courteoustoverbs]

http://demonlife.dev...orian-517628077

 

Spoiler

Dorian and his crow raven messenger corvid issues lol. I like it!

[courteoustoverbs]

Speaking of stuff I haven't heard--it seems to be accepted canon (in fics anyway) that Dorian got seasick on his way from Minrathous? Is there part of a convo I missed or forgot about? Anything at Haven, I've completely forgotten ugh.

[DirkJake]

Speaking of stuff I haven't heard--it seems to be accepted canon (in fics anyway) that Dorian got seasick on his way from Minrathous? Is there part of a convo I missed or forgot about? Anything at Haven, I've completely forgotten ugh.

 

One of his comments when he is along the shore on the storm coast is "Bloody Waking Sea. Never been more sick than when I crossed that." 

[courteoustoverbs]

One of his comments when he is along the shore on the storm coast is "Bloody Waking Sea. Never been more sick than when I crossed that." 

Ah, ok. I must have missed that. I take Dorian everywhere, so I was at the Storm Coast with him . . . THX!

[nightscrawl]

One aspect of the banter is that the followers have random comments specific to the environment. Dorian complains about almost every location. It would be annoying if it weren't so damned predictable and adorable. He isn't happy anywhere. Anywhere!

 

Dorian has two for the Storm Coast:

* Bloody Waking Sea. Never been more sick than when I crossed that.
* (Groans.) Can we get away from the water? I'm feeling seasick already.

 

 

[edit]

This does make me wonder where he crossed though... Did he go all the way to Kirkwall and sail to Amaranthine? Did he go from Cumberland to Jader and then go south around Lake Calenhad to Redcliffe (this seems the more direct route)?

 

Either way, the trip probably took about a month and I'm sure he was miserable the entire time.

 

[Link to Thedas map] Warning for HUGENESS (7.7mb)

[tartan-princess]

Hm... this makes me wonder how many of us have Dorian as our second romance of DAI.

 

*raises hand*

 

I'm normally a read only here but this somehow spoke personally to me

 

I started with a female Inquisitor for Cullen and I didn't know much about the companions at this time (I don't mind spoilers but I like to start games without knowing everything and everyone already, but I knew that Dorian was for male LIs only). Throughout the game I completely fell in love with Dorian and knew as soon as I finished the game that I had to make a male Inquisitor to romance him. I never played a m/m romance before, complete virgin territory for me. He might be even the one Dragon Age companion I love the most, romanced or not. I still consider my female Inquisitor my canon though (and I headcanon that her and the male Inquisitor are siblings and work together for the Inquisition), after DA2 I'd like to have a female in charge again I don't mind the gender of my Character tbh, it mostly depends on the LI I'm interested in 

 

Btw I love this thread, reading in here for a while now. People are so friendly here and there's so few drama compared to the DA fandom in general. Keep it up 

[TheRatPack55]

I had a femquisitor for Cullen as my first PC as well, but then I got to know Dorian and dropped that playthrough some 40 hours in to make a male warrior Trevelyan for our resident Necromancer.

 

Later I deleted her save files altogether to make space for another male warrior Trevelyan, male archer Adaar, male dagger wielding Trevelyan... you get the gist.

I am now once again trying to make myself play a female Lavellan and finally do Solas... I don't know if I'll manage... _{the bobblehead shape of the elves, ugh...}

 

Actually, I have a non Dorian related question if anyone here would be so kind to answer - when playing a Lavellan, can you actually be somewhat anti-elf, or at least anti-Dalish in your dialogue? A'la Sera? (I can't believe I'm actually trying to be in any way like Sera, but there you go...) I could maybe stomach my elf PC then.

 

Also, sorry to all the elf fans, I don't mean any offense, I'm just personally allergic to knife-ears these noble fantasy creatures.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I had a femquisitor for Cullen as my first PC as well, but then I got to know Dorian and dropped that playthrough some 40 hours in to make a male warrior Trevelyan for our resident Necromancer.

 

Later I deleted her save files altogether to make space for another male warrior Trevelyan, male archer Adaar, male dagger wielding Trevelyan... you get the gist.

I am now once again trying to make myself play a female Lavellan and finally do Solas... I don't know if I'll manage... _{the bobblehead shape of the elves, ugh...}

 

Actually, I have a non Dorian related question if anyone here would be so kind to answer - when playing a Lavellan, can you actually be somewhat anti-elf, or at least anti-Dalish in your dialogue? A'la Sera? (I can't believe I'm actually trying to be in any way like Sera, but there you go...) I could maybe stomach my elf PC then.

 

Also, sorry to all the elf fans, I don't mean any offense, I'm just personally allergic to knife-ears these noble fantasy creatures.

Same question. I don't think I'll ever get through my female Lavellan play through if I have to be pro-Dalish.

[nightscrawl]

^ Well I can't answer your question specifically, but I doubt that the game would allow you to RP in the manner that you might want, but also probably does not force you to be pro-Dalish. As with being Dalish (or city elf) in DAO, there are multiple dialogs to choose from. I'm going to assume that what you want isn't necessarily "anti-Dalish," but rather more "practical" Dalish, sort of like Dorian is "practical" Tevinter. A realist, you see the flaws but aren't self-hating. Or DO you want to RP as self-hating? That seems rather an odd choice, just as I tend to feel that many players who RP their Trev as an atheist is an odd choice given the circumstances, but I've seen many players say that they do this on the forums -- note that I don't really care, I just find it odd.

 

Some Dalish, particularly in DAO, come across as very superior, especially in the way they view city elves, which I thought was rather disgusting (IMO the view should be "There but for the grace of the gods go I" with regard to the "flat ears"). So I can understand why you might not want to play as pro-Dalish.

[Caddius]

^ Well I can't answer your question specifically, but I doubt that the game would allow you to RP in the manner that you might want, but also probably does not force you to be pro-Dalish. As with being Dalish (or city elf) in DAO, there are multiple dialogs to choose from. I'm going to assume that what you want isn't necessarily "anti-Dalish," but rather more "practical" Dalish, sort of like Dorian is "practical" Tevinter. A realist, you see the flaws but aren't self-hating. Or DO you want to RP as self-hating? That seems rather an odd choice, just as I tend to feel that many players who RP their Trev as an atheist is an odd choice given the circumstances, but I've seen many players say that they do this on the forums -- note that I don't really care, I just find it odd.

 

Some Dalish, particularly in DAO, come across as very superior, especially in the way they view city elves, which I thought was rather disgusting (IMO the view should be "There but for the grace of the gods go I" with regard to the "flat ears"). So I can understand why you might not want to play as pro-Dalish.

In a conversation with Josephine, I believe you can gripe about never fitting in with your clan, or that you hated living out in the forest. You also have the opportunity to reject your culture in a Sera-mance, and can express disbelief about the Creators if I remember correctly from my Lavellan playthroughs.

The City Elves who sneer at the Dalish and the Dalish who sneer at the City Elves are equally troubling to me.

[Hothouse Orchid]

Wow, some of you have played the game a lot already! I'm only at the end of my second playthrough... I blame my need to always collect everything and complete every side quest and war table mission, because I'm OCD like that, heh.

 

When I have the option to create a character I tend to make either males or females that are based on myself. Maybe that's selfish, but it gets me more immersed nonetheless. In Inquisition however, that's been sort of a problem. My first playthrough was with a human male rogue to romance Dorian with (I was in love with his character even before I played the game!). It was kind of a test run and it won't be my canon, but I did make all the choices I would have made if I was the Inquisitor. Then in my second playthrough (my current one) when I made a female character who's supposed to be me, I only ended up making the exact same choices... Not my wisest decision, as it has made me quite burned-out on the game (especially since I take my sweet time each run).

 

Also, I have a hard time relating to my female IQ for some reason. I don't know what it is, maybe it's the voice or that intense hip swaying some of you mentioned. Which brings up a problem I have with the game; the animations. It's so apparent the animations in cut scenes are made ideally for males, it's ridiculous. In some cases it's just embarrassing how over-the-top macho they walk. Like in the scene where they've just played Wicked Grace and the Inquisitor is following Varric out of the tavern, the IQ walks like they just sh*t their [pajama] pants (excuse my language). And don't get me started on different races. If they are so lazy to make the same animations for everyone, couldn't they at least have made them more gender neutral?

 

In any case, I've yet to side with the templars, so I'm excited for that at least. Ideally I want to romance everyone, but Maker knows if I can manage to do it. I miss romancing Dorian so much. 

[TheRatPack55]

^ Well I can't answer your question specifically, but I doubt that the game would allow you to RP in the manner that you might want, but also probably does not force you to be pro-Dalish. As with being Dalish (or city elf) in DAO, there are multiple dialogs to choose from. I'm going to assume that what you want isn't necessarily "anti-Dalish," but rather more "practical" Dalish, sort of like Dorian is "practical" Tevinter. A realist, you see the flaws but aren't self-hating. Or DO you want to RP as self-hating? That seems rather an odd choice, just as I tend to feel that many players who RP their Trev as an atheist is an odd choice given the circumstances, but I've seen many players say that they do this on the forums -- note that I don't really care, I just find it odd.

 

Some Dalish, particularly in DAO, come across as very superior, especially in the way they view city elves, which I thought was rather disgusting (IMO the view should be "There but for the grace of the gods go I" with regard to the "flat ears"). So I can understand why you might not want to play as pro-Dalish.

 

Well, I daresay it could be a viable option, with the right dialog choices, and defensible from a lore standpoint... Sort of like in my single pro-templar playthrough of DA2 I rpd a self-hating, devout Andrastian mage, who actually believed all the bs the Chantry spewed about mages. (I honestly couldn't stomach murdering mages as a non-mage, just too icky). I also agree that an atheist Trevelyan doesn't feel quite right, though a 'never really thought much about it all, too busy drinking and whoring' youngest son of a noble family works for me (and for Dorian ).

 

In a conversation with Josephine, I believe you can gripe about never fitting in with your clan, or that you hated living out in the forest. You also have the opportunity to reject your culture in a Sera-mance, and can express disbelief about the Creators if I remember correctly from my Lavellan playthroughs.

The City Elves who sneer at the Dalish and the Dalish who sneer at the City Elves are equally troubling to me.

 

I was actually thinking along the lines of a young, somewhat immature hunter girl elf who always envied the noble humans passing through the forest during their hunts, and kinda daydreamed about being born a human lady and spending her days being served wine and grapes, instead of being constantly on the road and having to hunt to survive. She'd jump at the call as a chance to leave her tedious life and get to be a little more like a human, and maybe even begin to tentatively believe that she had really been chosen. She'd of course adore Dorian the dashing nobleman, for being that and friendly towards her. Probably have a little crush, maybe hope he'd be her prince charming.

 

Of course, all this requires specific dialog options, so I don't know how well it would work... and how to work a Solasmace into it all, come to think about it, haha.

[Caddius]

 

An atheist Trevelyan works just fine for me. While they don't actually believe, they've been locked into the role of Chantry-bound spare heir for so long that becoming part of the Inquisition is an irritatingly ironic twist. They're dealing with the same problem they've always had with the rest of the Trevelyans, except now that other people think it's even more important that their Herald be a believer. The line to Corypheus at the end, "I don't believe in gods!" is less a diss against Corpyheus and more two decades of frustration at being forced to constantly deal with religious matters and false gods and Chantry politics when really he'd rather just enter city politics and try to prevent Kirkwallization of Ostwick. 

My Chantry hardliner Templar Trevelyan, who had just started to romance Cassandra, had hilariously intense chemistry with Dorian. I think it was something about the eyes and the British male's voice.   My first Dorianmancer was created soon afterward.

[KellinC]

Here is a link to two Danaduchy pieces showing messenger snippets with Dorian. I always seem to miss these. I've heard some of the Josephine ones, but never any of the responses from Dorian, nor any of the Leliana ones. I feel so deprived! I also miss most of the Cullen ones since I don't go out there too often. I suppose Josie's are easily accessible since you go back and forth to the war table all the time.

 

First between Dorian and Josephine.

Second between Dorian and Leliana.

 

These are great. I wondered where people were getting the whole "stealing wine" thing, and now I know: "Just fourteen? Hmm, I should consider myself lucky." Jeez Dorian... He really does reference alcohol, like... a lot o_O. It makes the references by Fenris seem like child's play. That said, it seems excessive to me because I don't drink IRL -- not a teetotaler, it's just something I'm not interested in beyond the extremely rare fruity malty beverage -- but that level of consumption does seem logical for someone of Dorian's background. [This is not to get into another discussion on the issue, just an observation.]

 

 

Anyone have any tips for catching these messengers in the act?

 

I referenced Dorian's wine cellar dialogue a few times a week or so ago and how to get all the easy to miss background happenings at Skyhold.   The trick is to always stop long enough to see if there is a second NPC standing near-by.  Don't go straight in and start conversations before you listen to the dialogue going on between them.  Or even if you aren't talking to them, run by and check.  Listen, then go on about your business.

Josephine and Liliana in particular have dialogue with their aids and messengers about previous missions, future missions and internal happenings around Skyhold.  Dorian in particular is a series of misbehaviors and requests to attend balls, or call on noble houses because apparently life at Skyhold isn't stimulating enough for the young man.

[Emmy]

Unfortunately, Cullen is going to tell her no too...

 

And I like playing female Inquisitors as long as they're lesbians (I actually almost like FemHawke/Isabela more than ManHawke/Anders). Something about playing as a woman who's romancing a man just weirds me out. I had to force myself to finish the one I had that romanced Cullen. Same thing when I romanced Garrus in Mass Effect.

 

My play through history for DAI is:

 

1. Male human rogue with Dorian

2. Male human mage with Dorian (abandoned when I switched from PS3 to PS4)

3. Male human rogue with Dorian

4. Female human warrior with Josephine

5. Female human mage with Cullen

6. Male dwarf rogue with Dorian

7. Male qunari rogue with Cassandra (work in progress: Arbor Wilds)

8. Female human rogue with Sera (work in progress: Hinterlands)

9. Female elf mage with Solas (work in progress: Hinterlands)

 

At whatever point I get through those (I'm starting to get burned out at this point), I'll probably go back to Dorian again unless I decide to try Blackwall (I doubt I'll ever romance Iron Bull). He's definitely someone I can romance over and over again.

 

I've had one successful PT where I romanced Cullen and one for Blackwall. Started the romance with Cassandra and shelved that character to romance Dorian. So far Dorian romances total, and I'm blushing here, 8 playthroughs. Ah Dorian, what a great character.

 

Edited for top. Have a Dorian!

 

[KellinC]

An atheist Trevelyan works just fine for me. While they don't actually believe, they've been locked into the role of Chantry-bound spare heir for so long that becoming part of the Inquisition is an irritatingly ironic twist. They're dealing with the same problem they've always had with the rest of the Trevelyans, except now that other people think it's even more important that their Herald be a believer. The line to Corypheus at the end, "I don't believe in gods!" is less a diss against Corpyheus and more two decades of frustration at being forced to constantly deal with religious matters and false gods and Chantry politics when really he'd rather just enter city politics and try to prevent Kirkwallization of Ostwick. 

My Chantry hardliner Templar Trevelyan, who had just started to romance Cassandra, had hilariously intense chemistry with Dorian. I think it was something about the eyes and the British male's voice.   My first Dorianmancer was created soon afterward.

 

I usually take the atheist route for the same reason with Trevelyan.  I see him as the jaded youngest son of a devout house that expects him to join the clergy in some fashion.  He has no inheritance prospects or use, otherwise.  Then through events entirely out of his control he ends up as a divine figure for many of the people of southern Thedas.  For my head canon it also adds some interesting twists to a romance with Dorian who is Andrastian and seems to have a very basic and honest faith that something greater than him is out there.

[Marlena_8]

Actually, I have a non Dorian related question if anyone here would be so kind to answer - when playing a Lavellan, can you actually be somewhat anti-elf, or at least anti-Dalish in your dialogue? A'la Sera? (I can't believe I'm actually trying to be in any way like Sera, but there you go...) I could maybe stomach my elf PC then.

 

Also, sorry to all the elf fans, I don't mean any offense, I'm just personally allergic to knife-ears these noble fantasy creatures.

I don't recall specific times but I do believe here and there you can agree with Solas or Sera when they put down elves in general. Also, I know that when speaking with Cassandra about your clan, you can say something to the effect that you don't miss them at all.  So I don't know if it is a consistent choice to put down the Dalish, but I do believe you have moments where you can.  I know I've avoided those dialogue choices since my Lavellan is pro-Dalish.

[Fredward]

Actually, I have a non Dorian related question if anyone here would be so kind to answer - when playing a Lavellan, can you actually be somewhat anti-elf, or at least anti-Dalish in your dialogue? A'la Sera? (I can't believe I'm actually trying to be in any way like Sera, but there you go...) I could maybe stomach my elf PC then.

 

Also, sorry to all the elf fans, I don't mean any offense, I'm just personally allergic to knife-ears these noble fantasy creatures.

 

When you finish Solas' personal quest and he talks with you on the balcony he says something along the lines of 'I might have misjudged the Dalish' and you can go 'nope, they're pretty much backward twats' (I may or may not be paraphrasing). I don't think you really have the option to be a self-loathing Dalish but you can play as someone who is kinda exasperated with them. Mine for instance is definitely not pro-Dalish but he IS pro-elf.

[happy_daiz]

Wow, some of you have played the game a lot already! I'm only at the end of my second playthrough... I blame my need to always collect everything and complete every side quest and war table mission, because I'm OCD like that, heh.

I am the same way, regarding picking up all.the.things. I am compelled to. I must. It's non-negotiable.   My three completed playthroughs are over 100 hours each. My longest was 126 hours, iirc. Looking back, I have no idea when I fit that in, as I was still playing Destiny part of the time with some friends, too. But anyway, yes, all the things! Total completionist, whether I want to be, or not. And I still miss things on occasion. /facepalm
 

Also, I have a hard time relating to my female IQ for some reason. I don't know what it is, maybe it's the voice or that intense hip swaying some of you mentioned. Which brings up a problem I have with the game; the animations. It's so apparent the animations in cut scenes are made ideally for males, it's ridiculous. In some cases it's just embarrassing how over-the-top macho they walk. Like in the scene where they've just played Wicked Grace and the Inquisitor is following Varric out of the tavern, the IQ walks like they just sh*t their [pajama] pants (excuse my language). And don't get me started on different races. If they are so lazy to make the same animations for everyone, couldn't they at least have made them more gender neutral?

 

I don't mind the hip sway. What I don't enjoy is the hip sway plus the lumbering run, and Igor hunchback skulking business. Like, seriously, my characters are not THAT old. Or an ape. Or confused about posture.

 

I don't like that Sumalee/American voice very much. It suited one of my female Dwarf characters, but otherwise, meh.
 

In any case, I've yet to side with the templars, so I'm excited for that at least. Ideally I want to romance everyone, but Maker knows if I can manage to do it. I miss romancing Dorian so much. 

 

I've gone the Mage route twice, Templars twice, and honestly...the only thing that holds me back from choosing the Templars every single time is Dorian. Truly. I prefer the Templar quest line, and ending slide. There is a little perk they don't advertise - Ser Delrin Barris. 

 

But it's pure misery going soooo long without Dorian.

[KellinC]

I don't mind the hip sway. What I don't enjoy is the hip sway plus the lumbering run, and Igor hunchback skulking business. Like, seriously, my characters are not THAT old. Or an ape. Or confused about posture.

 

There you go.  That's the one.  The one beef I have is the spread leg, slouch shuffle.  Dorian's default armor is already bulky and pads his waist, hips and legs to look a bit chunky rather than solid... and then he goes shuffling around the library like he has intense lower back pain.  Together it says "old man".  The spread leg shuffle is even worse on the female models because they are more slender.  I have yet to think up a justifiable reason why they would build the bone rig this way.