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So question about Dorian's romance card.

 

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Is he meant to be holding an origami flower or is it something else? I'm never quite sure.

 

It looks like a white lilac. White is Dorian's color and the snake is a part of Tevinter's heraldry, both of which represent who he is. So he's kind of holding his heart in his hands.

Also the gauntleted hand across his chest is probably the Inquisitor's given that the hand is used to symbolize him. That and that little pendant is probably the Magister's Birthright.

 

The color white is generally a sign of good, while white flowers in particular usually symbolizes purity and innocence in art. Black (the snake) is the opposite of white and represents mystery, secrecy and evil. In biblical art, snakes are a symbol of Satan. It's also related to dragons (and we know Tevinter likes their dragon statues). In this case the snake most definitely is a sign of Tevinter. It makes me wonder if the common symbolism behind snakes is why they chose it as part of the Tevinter heraldry, since they are the "bad guys" of Thedas, instead of simply having it be dragons. Not as a sign of Satan, but evil in general. The gold rings are probably there to show his wealth (if they have a meaning beyond aesthetics that is).

 

The way the snake wraps around his body makes me think it's a way to show how trapped Dorian feels by the traditions of his homeland. And in combination with the white flower it could represent his wanting to do good in a land of "evil", and him being one of the few with a pure mind. I never thought of the pendant too much until now, but it being his birthright is a good observation. I would guess it's there to signify that you gave it back to him, with it being in the IQ's hand an all, and not much else.

 

The fact that this card shows up after the scene where the IQ and Dorian discuss a serious relationship for the first time (whether you choose to have sex or not) is probably why he's naked. He has shown a vulnerable side of himself; a fear of a relationship that might just hurt him in the end. All of these signs are parts of him, and the way he reaches out with everything attached to him might suggest that he's giving you the opportunity to be with him - but accepting also means that what is part of him will be a part of your life too, in some sense. All of his burdens and wants.

 

Or maybe I'm just thinking waaay too much into this... (I just realized this doesn't even answer the question in the first place lol, but I took it as an opportunity to analyse the picture)


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The color white is generally a sign of good, while white flowers in particular usually symbolizes purity and innocence in art. Black (the snake) is the opposite of white and represents mystery, secrecy and evil. In biblical art, snakes are a symbol of Satan. It's also related to dragons (and we know Tevinter likes their dragon statues). In this case the snake most definitely is a sign of Tevinter. It makes me wonder if the common symbolism behind snakes is why they chose it as part of the Tevinter heraldry, since they are the "bad guys" of Thedas, instead of simply having it be dragons. Not as a sign of Satan, but evil in general. The gold rings are probably there to show his wealth (if they have a meaning beyond aesthetics that is).

 

I think the dragon and snake symbol is because they basically represent the same thing. Tevinter worshipped dragons, and the word Dragon derives from the Greek word Drakon, that means huge snake (Asian dragons for example look a lot more like snakes). I always thought that's why Tevinter has a dragon and a snake in the heraldry.


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I think the dragon and snake symbol is because they basically represent the same thing. Tevinter worshipped dragons, and the word Dragon derives from the Greek word Drakon, that means huge snake (Asian dragons for example look a lot more like snakes). I always thought that's why Tevinter has a dragon and a snake in the heraldry.

 

I'm blaming myself for not being very clear with my wording - when I said "they" I meant the developers of the game. As in the developers might have thought it fitting to use snakes in addition to dragons since they are related and a common sign of evil. To better portray them as bad guys in ways of storytelling. Not that the Tevinters are advertising themselves as evil, haha.  :P

 

I read this on the wiki: "Thalsian established temples to worship dragons, which became a symbol of power within the Imperium", which isn't a surprise, but I assume that goes for the snakes as well. Wanting to show power is a stereotypical way of portraying bad guys, so it kind of symbolizes evil in that sense.


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#19679
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Snakes can also represent immortality and renewal (since they shed their skin).
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Snakes can also represent immortality and renewal (since they shed their skin).

 

I'd say immortality adds to the power fantasy, but I'm not sure if renewal is relevant in this case. Tevinter is a land of tradition - they fight to keep things like they've always been, and to make changes is more of what Dorian wants. That might work for his romance card now that I think about it. But I still like to think the flower represents good and the snake represents evil, makes things more dramatic that way.  :lol:



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Given Dorian's references to the Magisterium being melodramatic I can only picture this:


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Ugh I am trying REALLY hard not to rush through the romance with Dorian so it's spread out through the game more... but it's like IMPOSSIBLE >< I want to do all the things now ><


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Ugh I am trying REALLY hard not to rush through the romance with Dorian so it's spread out through the game more... but it's like IMPOSSIBLE >< I want to do all the things now ><

 

I have the same problem xD, i need to force myself not to rush all romance scenes in this new PT lol. I may rush until i get the amulet quest, explore some map, do amulet quest and then explore some more before i do the sex scene lol. I want to advance slowly but surely, but it's going to be hard to resist xD.

 

 

Dorian in the rain and near the sea, and his hair still looks perfect xD. Which reminds me of this banter i got precisely in the storm coast:

 

Blackwall: How do you get your hair to do that, Dorian? With magic?

Dorian: With proper hygiene and grooming. Maybe all three of you should get acquainted.

 

Funny he seems to include the inquisitor when he says "all three of you". Thanks for the insinuation, Dorian  :lol:

 

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This would've been a great outfit for Dorian at the Winter Palace

 

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http://andrewryanart...Pavus-487988786


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Omg, i love this. Dorian the Red Viper.

 

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http://marty-mc.tumb...s-the-red-viper


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I have the same problem xD, i need to force myself not to rush all romance scenes in this new PT lol. I may rush until i get the amulet quest, explore some map, do amulet quest and then explore some more before i do the sex scene lol. I want to advance slowly but surely, but it's going to be hard to resist xD.

 

 

Dorian in the rain and near the sea, and his hair still looks perfect xD. Which reminds me of this banter i got precisely in the storm coast:

 

Blackwall: How do you get your hair to do that, Dorian? With magic?

Dorian: With proper hygiene and grooming. Maybe all three of you should get acquainted.

 

Funny he seems to include the inquisitor when he says "all three of you". Thanks for the insinuation, Dorian  :lol:

 

 

"All three of you" = proper hygiene, grooming and Blackwall.


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#19688
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Omg, i love this. Dorian the Red Viper.

 

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http://marty-mc.tumb...s-the-red-viper

 

Hopefully not sharing his faith



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Omg, i love this. Dorian the Red Viper.
 
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http://marty-mc.tumb...s-the-red-viper


"Amatus, this ridiculous helmet is ruining my hair."

"You're keeping it on."

"Might I ask why?"

"Because of reasons."
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"All three of you" = proper hygiene, grooming and Blackwall.

 

Right, i don't know why i thought he was refering to the other 3 members of the party, i'm silly lol.

 

Hopefully not sharing his faith

 

"Amatus, this ridiculous helmet is ruining my hair."

"You're keeping it on."

"Might I ask why?"

"Because of reasons."

 

Dorian might be cocky like Oberyn, but at least he has his magic to defend himself, he should be ok  :P



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Omg, i love this. Dorian the Red Viper.

 

tumblr_njqgejXmsL1r8bq6so1_r1_500.png

 

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http://marty-mc.tumb...s-the-red-viper

 

Y'know, I actually always thought that if there was ever a call for a live action Dorian, Pedro Pascal would be my choice. Maybe he's a bit older than Dorian is, but come now it would be amazing. :3


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#19692
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I'm so envious of you guys with the DLC.  The best I can do is put Dorian in heavy armor made of silverite for a different look.  Last game I did his armor in King Willow weave yellow and White.  I'm blanking on the white materials right now.  LOL!


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The Red Viper outfit actually looks like something Dorian should wear around Skyhold. It actually has sleeves so it would keep him somewhat warmer in the cool mountain air.
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Omg, i love this. Dorian the Red Viper.

 

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tumblr_njqgejXmsL1r8bq6so2_500.png

 

http://marty-mc.tumb...s-the-red-viper

 

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Y'know, I actually always thought that if there was ever a call for a live action Dorian, Pedro Pascal would be my choice. Maybe he's a bit older than Dorian is, but come now it would be amazing. :3

 

The Red Viper outfit actually looks like something Dorian should wear around Skyhold. It actually has sleeves so it would keep him somewhat warmer in the cool mountain air.

 

Lol, now i want Dorian wearing Oberyn Martell's outfit and saying this to my inquisitor

 

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Lol, now i want Dorian wearing Oberyn Martell's outfit and saying this to my inquisitor

 

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When I did my first playthrough, I wasn't able to romance Dorian because of the bug which prevented the conversation about Felix from triggering, which in turn prevented Dorian's entire personal quest line from triggering. I later found out how to trigger the conversation / quest, but by that point I'd already finished the game, my Inquisitor doomed to being forever alone and unloved (well, after having to awkwardly turn down Cassandra when she demanded to know why I'd been flirting with her, when I'd done no such thing...)

 

With Patch 4 fixing Dorian's quest, I decided to go back to my old Inquisitor save file, and was happy to discover that his personal quest can trigger even near the end of the game - so I reloaded my last save before the Winter Palace (which was only a few hours from the end-game) and started his personal quest / romance from there. Now my first Inquisitor will finally be able to finish the game paired up with Dorian, rather than being a sexless monk... so hooray for patches :)

 

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When I did my first playthrough, I wasn't able to romance Dorian because of the bug which prevented the conversation about Felix from triggering, which in turn prevented Dorian's entire personal quest line from triggering. I later found out how to trigger the conversation / quest, but by that point I'd already finished the game, my Inquisitor doomed to being forever alone and unloved (well, after having to awkwardly turn down Cassandra when she demanded to know why I'd been flirting with her, when I'd done no such thing...)

 

With Patch 4 fixing Dorian's quest, I decided to go back to my old Inquisitor save file, and was happy to discover that his personal quest can trigger even near the end of the game - so I reloaded my last save before the Winter Palace (which was only a few hours from the end-game) and started his personal quest / romance from there. Now my first Inquisitor will finally be able to finish the game paired up with Dorian, rather than being a sexless monk... so hooray for patches :)

 

 

Hmmm...I never considered going back to my first inquisitor for such a thing.  I already romanced Iron Bull though, so I guess it's too late for that.  ^_^  Glad you got to go back and fix history though!  It's a very clever idea.  


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Ok I caved and did the amulet questline and ahmg giving the amulet to him when you didn't talk to him before hand is AMAZING. It was wonderful :) Also I went with the "go ahead and use me" line this time and I was totally not prepared for his response to that. I was literally grinning from ear to ear :D

 

I also I held of on going to my room after until after Winter Palace (not I haven't done Adamant yet) so I think that qualifies as waiting and going through his romance slowly ><


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Also I went with the "go ahead and use me" line this time and I was totally not prepared for his response to that. I was literally grinning from ear to ear :D

 

I chose that line in my first PT and i loved it, i always prefer that line whenever i get that dialogue. It's probably one of my favourite parts of the romance, and the way Dorian laughs when you tell him to "use me" is... glorious  :)


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