I think that they should give us "undress Dorian" tutorial.
Dorian: Cole, are those real clothes, or-?
Cole: They're real. What else would they be?
Dorian: I thought maybe you'd conjured them, like your physical form.
Cole: Do you conjure yours? Is that why they look like that?
Dorian: Never mind, forget I said anything.
Maybe Cole is onto something and Dorian can snap his fingers and yay! No clothes.
I made a new inquisitor. I tried to make him go for Cassandra. He just couldn't. It's like he flirted with Dorian on his own accord.. Not bad for a ginger, eh?
Hi there. I've been thinking about the personal information on Dorian in the new World of Thedas book and I've started to feel a bit miffed that this wasn't something that Dorian reveals himself in game. World of Thedas is meant to be a background book, giving information on the game world as a whole, history, lore and important characters that you would otherwise not have the opportunity to learn about, except perhaps through codices. It seems odd to me that the info dump you get on Tevinter from Dorian just after first recruiting him could have been left to a book, whilst his personal life is something that he should have been able to come clean about himself.
Back in Origins Zevran had a pretty colourful past and over the course of the game, if you talked with him enough and raised his approval, then he trusted you enough to divulge his innermost secrets, including the confession about his former lover and his own self hatred about what he did. That was really touching. Still if his former guild master had come along at a later date and taunted him about it, it wouldn't have come as a shock. It also explained what the Guardian was getting at when asked if he had regrets.
Finding out about Dorian on the boards here and through WoT is a bit like the Quizzy getting back to Skyhold and finding everyone seems to be discussing something about Dorian, then Leliana gives you a note saying there is something in your quarters you should see and when you get there you find a publication from Tevinter dishing the dirt on Dorian's lurid sex life back home. Now my Lavellan could understand why Dorian might not have wanted to reveal this as something consigned to the past but seeing as he was only too willing to use scandalous information on other people back in Tevinter, he should have been only too aware that other people might well enjoy doing the same to him and his family and so it would have been better to have come clean with his Amatus/friend so they found out from him rather than in the way they did. As it is, having the information in WoT suggests that it is common knowledge in Tevinter or at the very least popular gossip among the nobility and I feel that a friend/lover of Dorian would feel hurt that he didn't trust them enough to warn them about it. Anyone else feel the same?
Hi there. I've been thinking about the personal information on Dorian in the new World of Thedas book and I've started to feel a bit miffed that this wasn't something that Dorian reveals himself in game. World of Thedas is meant to be a background book, giving information on the game world as a whole, history, lore and important characters that you would otherwise not have the opportunity to learn about, except perhaps through codices. It seems odd to me that the info dump you get on Tevinter from Dorian just after first recruiting him could have been left to a book, whilst his personal life is something that he should have been able to come clean about himself.
Back in Origins Zevran had a pretty colourful past and over the course of the game, if you talked with him enough and raised his approval, then he trusted you enough to divulge his innermost secrets, including the confession about his former lover and his own self hatred about what he did. That was really touching. Still if his former guild master had come along at a later date and taunted him about it, it wouldn't have come as a shock. It also explained what the Guardian was getting at when asked if he had regrets.
Finding out about Dorian on the boards here and through WoT is a bit like the Quizzy getting back to Skyhold and finding everyone seems to be discussing something about Dorian, then Leliana gives you a note saying there is something in your quarters you should see and when you get there you find a publication from Tevinter dishing the dirt on Dorian's lurid sex life back home. Now my Lavellan could understand why Dorian might not have wanted to reveal this as something consigned to the past but seeing as he was only too willing to use scandalous information on other people back in Tevinter, he should have been only too aware that other people might well enjoy doing the same to him and his family and so it would have been better to have come clean with his Amatus/friend so they found out from him rather than in the way they did. As it is, having the information in WoT suggests that it is common knowledge in Tevinter or at the very least popular gossip among the nobility and I feel that a friend/lover of Dorian would feel hurt that he didn't trust them enough to warn them about it. Anyone else feel the same?
I'm quite happy it's not in game actually.
Dorian , even if he doesn't romance the Inquisitor , is sort of past the whole self destruction angle.
You don't find him drunk , sleeping around in Skyhold or Haven.(well there's Iron Bull but it turns into some sort of relationship...and Dorian is pretty shy about it.)
I think if it was in game , it's again the whole romance fixing the characters problems .
Besides the Herald doesn't have a great reputation in Tevinter to begin with , I think the fact you're sleeping with Dorian is the least of their problems.
The only one who can have trouble is Dorian , if he goes back to Tevinter.
Actually I was working quite hard to improve our reputation in Tevinter for Dorian's sake. I'd sucked up to the Archon instead of Nevarra when asked to deal with some Venatori and been very tactful when dealing with Cory's distant relatives. My point is that why was it necessary to put it in WoT at all if it was not going to form part of Dorian's story arc in the game? If it is in the book then it is meant to be common knowledge, not just some backstairs tittle tattle. Is Dorian's early life really important to the history of Thedas? Is it relevant to his later actions? If the answer is, yes, then it should have come up in game. If the answer is, no, then it is not something I would expect to find in WoT.
Actually Dorian does seem to drink his sorrows away quite a lot. He seems to do a lot of gambling with Varric. And hearing about his history does tend to put a whole different slant on his "How bad do you want to be?" My Lavellan didn't jump into bed with him; he wanted a relationship and Dorian maintained he didn't expect to have a relationship because that's not the way things are done in Tevinter. However, we are told that generally gay relationships are not frowned upon provided you are discrete about it. I was just working on the basis that Dorian didn't want to live a lie, not that he was debauching himself on a regular basis in an elven brothel. Didn't it ever occur to him that my sensitive, loyal, Lavellan might be a bit hurt to discover the truth from a complete stranger (the writer of said publication) rather than Dorian himself?
This is why I say that putting that information in WoT so that you either have to buy the book or hear about it second hand, does not do justice to his character or the romance that I was invested in.
Hi there. I've been thinking about the personal information on Dorian in the new World of Thedas book and I've started to feel a bit miffed that this wasn't something that Dorian reveals himself in game. World of Thedas is meant to be a background book, giving information on the game world as a whole, history, lore and important characters that you would otherwise not have the opportunity to learn about, except perhaps through codices. It seems odd to me that the info dump you get on Tevinter from Dorian just after first recruiting him could have been left to a book, whilst his personal life is something that he should have been able to come clean about himself.
The info dump on Tevinter is the same for any character of any background. That information is put into the game so all players, new and old, will have a source of information in the game, and not have to rely on outside sources. That is exactly the sort of knowledge that should be in the game. Also, any of the Tevinter dialog can be had at any point in the game, so it doesn't necessarily have to be played as an info dump and can instead be spread out over time and be natural conversation (which is how I play it).
Back in Origins Zevran had a pretty colourful past and over the course of the game, if you talked with him enough and raised his approval, then he trusted you enough to divulge his innermost secrets, including the confession about his former lover and his own self hatred about what he did. That was really touching. Still if his former guild master had come along at a later date and taunted him about it, it wouldn't have come as a shock. It also explained what the Guardian was getting at when asked if he had regrets.
As far as Dorian's past goes, IMO it's really none of our damned business. Dorian is damaged, and I think in a way that Zevran never was, although he did have issues with his past.
Not everything about a character has to be reveled in the game. Some things are better left to head canon, and others are better left to a book where they can be explored in detail without the added emotional weight of an actual dialog between Dorian and the Inquisitor. Which, by the by, would have been an extremely intense conversation, not nearly as informative as the book, and I think problematic in its presentation because Dorian would be speaking of himself, rather than reading it from a third party.
As it is, having the information in WoT suggests that it is common knowledge in Tevinter or at the very least popular gossip among the nobility and I feel that a friend/lover of Dorian would feel hurt that he didn't trust them enough to warn them about it.
I agree that it appears to be somewhat common knowledge -- at least insofar as people thinking that Magister Pavus has an unruly son that he can't control -- because Dorian's own behavior ensured that it became so. He did it to himself; he knew what he was doing, and this actually makes it worse emotionally.
To give you an indication as to what David Gaider's thought process might be, I will point to something he said regarding Anders not revealing his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke:
If you didn't like how the character was written, that's fine... but to ascribe it to the fact they didn't discuss their past relationships enough, or are somehow baffled that Anders would not mention his relationship with a man to a woman (in what world would someone do this?) or that bisexuality (in deed or by virtue of their natural preference) is somehow inherently inconsistent unless the person in question actively mentions past experiences, says more about you that it says about "watered-down characters".
To me, it makes perfect sense that he would not reveal this information, especially to his new, unexpected, lover. I rather doubt Dorian is proud of this behavior -- even Alexius's own description points to this. Dorian is insecure, and by his own admission has had no experience whatsoever with relationships. I wouldn't be surprised if he is afraid that the IQ would look on him with disgust if he revealed this information.
I don't really feel it's about trusting or not trusting the Inquisitor. I feel it's about fear, and also about wanting to move on. Alexius gave Dorian a second chance. The Inquisition has given him a third. He doesn't want to f this up too, especially if he is in love with the Inquisitor.
In this thread we've talked a lot about Dorian trying to give the Inquisitor an 'out.' He does this on three occasions: post-sex scene, the "what happens 'after' " dialog, and the post- Temple of Mythal dialog. While I might say that this WoT information would be the perfect thing to include in that lineup, Dorian never goes out of his way to actively sabotage the relationship, which is what this information would be an attempt at. He does want the relationship, he just feels it won't last and is trying to save himself further pain.
I think if it was in game , it's again the whole romance fixing the characters problems.
This is a hugely important point. At some point we need to also look at it from a game creation angle and see how this fits in with the other available romances, and the game as a whole.
As it is currently, the clincher in the Dorian romance arc is that, because of how s/s relations are viewed in Tevinter, he has no experience in dealing with a relationship or its associated issues. He is very experienced sexually (which I already suspected), but that's all. This is ALL new to him. So, you don't want the romance to turn into "fixing" the broken person, or have it all revolve around these issues.
As much as I adore him, I think we had enough of that with Fenris.
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This is a spoiler free question, so no worries.
I recently finished the Jaws of Hakkon DLC (it's totally amazing), but I played it during the game rather than post-game. I am planning on going back to the pre-DLC save, finishing the game, and playing the DLC again in post. But I am curious now, has anyone else done this? Are there any differences with companion dialog?
As far as I observed, there were only some various dialog commentary by other NPCs that mentioned Corypheus still being out there and such, so I imagine that is different in post-game. All in all, as far as companion interaction goes, it seemed very much like the DA2 DLC.
(As an aside, I spent eight f'ing hours on that damned map and NOT once did I get my "You're happier now, Dorian" final banter with Cole. /SOB)
This is a spoiler free question, so no worries.
I recently finished the Jaws of Hakkon DLC (it's totally amazing), but I played it during the game rather than post-game. I am planning on going back to the pre-DLC save, finishing the game, and playing the DLC again in post. But I am curious now, has anyone else done this? Are there any differences with companion dialog?
As far as I observed, there were only some various dialog commentary by other NPCs that mentioned Corypheus still being out there and such, so I imagine that is different in post-game. All in all, as far as companion interaction goes, it seemed very much like the DA2 DLC.
(As an aside, I spent eight f'ing hours on that damned map and NOT once did I get my "You're happier now, Dorian" final banter with Cole. /SOB)
There's very little post game , I think Harding make a comment at first...and the Inquisitor can say he defeated Corypheus at one point.And that's it.
^ Thanks. I'm going to go ahead with my plan. I thought the DLC was fantastic -- worth playing again! -- and the entire map is, IMO, the best crafted and most artfully done area in the entire game. I also think it makes more sense story-wise to play it post-game since, during the game, you're supposed to be concerned about stopping Corypheus, not off hunting for some non-pertinent thing, especially at level 20+ (the recommended level of the DLC), which is getting down to the wire plot-wise in the main game.
I'm not sure if you get any new dialogue banter between companions. I managed to get some dialogue that I didn't get in the main game but I understand from the Wiki that I should have got it there. It is more frequent in the DLC but disappointingly I got some conversations twice and yet others still not at all. Mind you there are some Dorian comments that are specific to the DLC and it is a good idea taking Cole along as well because he says some things relevant to sub-quests. I enjoyed it immensely.
As to my other little hobby horse, I recall that a few pages back I was saying that the thing I loved about Dorian compared with some other characters was his honesty; no nasty skeletons in the closet with him, and then it turns out there are. The issue with me is that there are aspects to this which would be more sensitive to an elf considering the whole elven brothel thing and the amount of ingrained prejudice he had to overcome before he fell in love with Dorian because of the latter's views on slavery and the way the elves are treated in Tevinter; though admittedly a lot of Lavellan's objections extent to the rest of Thedas as well and the fact that he feels elves are virtually forced into prostitution just to survive. Still I've done my own version in my head where Dorian and Lavellan have a long heart to heart about it and as a result their bond is even closer because they've both been able to admit to things that they weren't proud of, Dorian in his past and Lavellan in his head.
My point is and still is that if it is in WoT then it is part of the world data record. I don't see how it is none of our business when the writers choose to make it so. It has happened in the world of Thedas, people know about it and the likelihood is that those individuals who have an axe to grind against Dorian or the Inquisitor would use it in the way I suggest to cause trouble and potential embarrassment to them. It would not be confined to Tevinter since the Inquisition has agents throughout Thedas and has been using their influence and so naturally it follows their enemies would be looking for ways to get back at the organisation and the Inquisitor in particular. I refer you to Masked Empire as an example of how Gaspard (who is currently Briala's puppet) would be only too glad to use a bit of scandal to undermine that situation. Lavellan would rather have not had to take issue with Dorian because whatever he did is in the past but it would have been helpful to give him a bit of warning about what might potentially be out there, without going into all the lurid details. Forewarned is forearmed when you play the Game, which like it or not he has to.
I love Dorian's new spiky hairstyle lol.
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As to my other little hobby horse, I recall that a few pages back I was saying that the thing I loved about Dorian compared with some other characters was his honesty; no nasty skeletons in the closet with him, and then it turns out there are.
See, I don't generally regard omission as dishonesty. Also, it does depend on the circumstances and content of the omission. Even before this WoT info was revealed I had always thought that Dorian was intentionally vague about his past. We've engaged in a LOT of speculation and assumption in this thread based on how he acts, and various small snippets of things said by both Dorian and Halward, but that is still all it is.
Frankly, no one in this thread should have assumed that they knew all there was to know about Dorian. This applies to all of the companions and love interests.
My point is and still is that if it is in WoT then it is part of the world data record. I don't see how it is none of our business when the writers choose to make it so.
I was referring to the Inquisitor when I made that statement, and I still feel that way.
It has happened in the world of Thedas, people know about it and the likelihood is that those individuals who have an axe to grind against Dorian or the Inquisitor would use it in the way I suggest to cause trouble and potential embarrassment to them. It would not be confined to Tevinter since the Inquisition has agents throughout Thedas and has been using their influence and so naturally it follows their enemies would be looking for ways to get back at the organisation and the Inquisitor in particular. I refer you to Masked Empire as an example of how Gaspard (who is currently Briala's puppet) would be only too glad to use a bit of scandal to undermine that situation. Lavellan would rather have not had to take issue with Dorian because whatever he did is in the past but it would have been helpful to give him a bit of warning about what might potentially be out there, without going into all the lurid details. Forewarned is forearmed when you play the Game, which like it or not he has to.
I think you are casting too much worth on how Dorian's past may be used against him in Tevinter and its potential impact on the Inquisition. At the moment, Dorian has no standing beyond that which he was born with; he holds no position and has destroyed any reputation he might have built up.
BUT, that's not to say he doesn't have friends. If you'll recall, Magister Maevaris Telani is an acquaintance/friend of his and I rather doubt that a gregarious person like Dorian doesn't have at least a few more people that like him. Yes, at the end of the game for a non-romance IQ he does claim you as his "best and only friend," but I honestly feel that he is being a tad bit hyperbolic due to the importance of the (very close) friendship in his life -- understandable, given the circumstances. Of course, this also depends on how one chooses to use the word "friend;" and for Dorian it seems it means someone beyond whom he has a good rapport with, such as Varric or Cole.
I suppose it just boils down to the fact that I don't consider the revelation (if not the content) a big deal, whereas you do. Also, it's not like special attention was given only to Dorian in this book; there is all sorts of info on all of the companions from all three games -- WoT Vol. 2 is almost twice the size of Vol. 1.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.
I love Dorian's new spiky hairstyle lol.
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Bed head, or I picture the quizzy running by, mussing up his hair and running off before Dorian even knows what hit him - or perhaps Cole did it...who can say?
I have a feeling that if the Inquisitor tried to do that, he would be kicked out his own bed 
I have a feeling that if the Inquisitor tried to do that, he would be kicked out his own bed
Maybe not when they are all dressed and ready to kill random people about the country side. But I think Dorian would totally let his boo ruffle his hair. He just seems like a guy who craves physical affection in the privacy of his own quarters.
Just wondering...Are we assuming the World of Thedas entry is 100% accurate, or are there traces of unreliable narrator? I don't doubt that Dorian's coping mechanisms are slightly bonkers, but the excerpt I read "sounded" a little like a Tevinter gossip column - and I recall that part of it made it sound as though whoever is speaking/writing appears unsure of the truth of the matter.
It's a pity we can't get a behind-the-scenes insight into the romances in these books - I know it's because that would muck up consistency and canon something awful, but it would be fun. It would be nice to get a similar entry on a post-romance Dorian from Leliana's reports or a visiting dignitary. Still, that's what we have fanfic for.
To be honest I think they are meant to sound like a Tevinter gossip column, which is why I made the post above that I did. It does come across as something that might do the rounds and be popular reading among the nobility because they like to snigger and feel smug over other people's dirty linen being washed in public. This is why I likened reading it in WoT to the Inquisitor being made aware of it whether they wanted to or not. I'd guessed and speculated to myself that Dorian probably did have more going on in his past than he revealed but was quite willing to leave it that way and then bam, it's on the forums and the source is WoT. As we all must know from the real world, gossip columns love to make big news out celebs, often making it sound worse than it really is.
I like to think that Dorian could be regarded as something of a famous figure now. In my case he was with me when we took Cory down, In fact with my romanced Inquisitor we were practically joined at the hip. I can't think of anything he wasn't with me for. Now we know from Vivienne that his relationship with the Inquisitor had already made its way back to Tevinter, so clearly people there are interested and following his progress, both friend and foe. Some nasty little muck raking hack obviously decided to cash in on the renewed interest in our dashing mage. Poor Dorian.
I wasn't surprised at his alcoholism. In his dialogue he talks about drinking and going to pubs quite alot. In fact I think Josephine even prevented him from entering the cellars and charged him for all the expensive liquors he drank.
As for his sex life. I don't think he was promiscuous per say. Just that his sexual preference was just a scandal. Though it does make me wonder what the Tevinters thought about Maevaris marrying a Dwarf
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