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I wasn't surprised at his alcoholism. In his dialogue he talks about drinking and going to pubs quite alot. In fact I think Josephine even prevented him from entering the cellars and charged him for all the expensive liquors he drank.
As for his sex life. I don't think he was promiscuous per say. Just that his sexual preference was just a scandal. Though it does make me wonder what the Tevinters thought about Maevaris marrying a dwarf
Is the hair in the pictures the only mod? He looks younger to me 
Just wondering...Are we assuming the World of Thedas entry is 100% accurate, or are there traces of unreliable narrator? I don't doubt that Dorian's coping mechanisms are slightly bonkers, but the excerpt I read "sounded" a little like a Tevinter gossip column - and I recall that part of it made it sound as though whoever is speaking/writing appears unsure of the truth of the matter.
I think it's premature to judge based on a single page of text. Also... I'm sorry, but it seems like a comment like this is just refusing to acknowledge the truth and extent of Dorian's self-destructive behavior. In fact, I believe that Dorian's own vague remarks ("I have a reputation to keep,") and Halward's comments ("This is how it has always been,") in addition to the outburst (by both men) if the IQ reveals his own preference in the tavern, seem to bear this out.
The "unreliable narrator" was used by posters on this forum as a way to excuse or explain away virtually anything that people didn't like about DA2. At some point it needs to be acknowledged that what we see/play out and read is the truth. So you either believe that ALL of the WoT content is potentially false or inaccurate, or that it is, in fact, true.
On that one page of text is what appears to be third-person omniscient narrative prose, interspersed with other elements that prove the narrative, such as letters from Alexius and Dorian. This is how any informative text is written. I don't really see why any of you think that there are untrue elements here. We are not talking about real-world historical events, such as the glossing over of Alexander the Great's homosexuality by historians who were either in denial or had their own agenda to push. This is a fictional world whose facts are known with 100% accuracy to its creators in a way that is not available to us in real life.
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As a random thing... it would be nice if the informative dialogs remained as options instead of being eliminated on use. I do try and space them out so I always have something to talk to them about (well, let's be honest here, mainly Dorian...), but it would be fun to listen to them more than once, particularly as some of them are quite lengthy. 
Is the hair in the pictures the only mod? He looks younger to me
The person that posted them in tumblr only mentioned hair mod, so I guess it's the only mod.
Anyways... I crafted a new armor and weapon for Dorian... 
He loves them so much that he started showing off some amazing moves with his staff (and my inquisitor is 100% okay with it xD). I think my elf mage will become a pro at melee combat with staff after training with Dorian. 
The colours and helmet are inspired by this Asoiaf art. And because I took tons of pics with the cinematic cam, I made an album with more Viper Dorian pics here
Where did you get that fancy staff? Is that the schematic you get by sacrificing the Chargers?
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I've realized that this may come across as more aggressive that I originally intended. If so, then I apologize.
Er...yes, yes it did. Apology accepted though!
I don't doubt that Dorian's got a serious self-destructive streak - he even tries to nuke a relationship he really wants, after all, out of a twisted sense of "I'll rip out my own heart rather than wait for you to do it for me". And he's a product of Tevinter society - I don't think he's been living like a monk all of these years. If he's really written off long-term emotional attachments as Something People Like Me Don't Have, going to brothels would be a pragmatic thing to do.
But I've read the WoT Volume 1, and there are entries in that which are deliberately written to showcase the speaker/writer's bias (Blackwall's "screw Ferelden, they did it to themselves" address comes to mind). It's a stylistic choice - the conceit of the book is that it's a collection of documents from Thedas, and each individual writer has their own biases...and so does the person analysing the "found document". It's why two historians can use the same document to "prove" two diametrically opposed points.
For example...define "debauchery." If the Dorian's entry is 100% accurate, and he was getting hammered in elven brothels every single night, then I think most of us would agree that the term "debauchery" is warranted...especially given the status of elves. Dorian himself is fairly disgusted by his own behaviour post-Alexius craziness, so we know he screwed up. However, if someone is viciously homophobic, any gay relationship could get lumped into that category. If you really don't like someone, you could probably find an excuse to file fairly mild or occasional behaviour into "debauchery." My question, then, was whether the author of Dorian's entry had their own agenda, or if it was intended as purely neutral. After rereading, I'm more inclined to believe that the (real-life) writers had a persona in mind.
Alexius' letter is probably mostly true, at the very least. However, the writer of Dorian's entry in the book (who never identifies themselves, if I recall..?) puts his own interpretation of things on top of that. He also doesn't appear to know about the blood magic ritual...whereas the ACTUAL writers of the game most definitely do. It's related to what the TV Tropes wiki would call a Watsonian vs Doylist explanation - is the text an "in-universe" one, or strictly the word of the creator? I tend to group WoT as the "Watsonian" explanation and devs' blogs+the art books as "Doylist". Hence my comment that the extract was a bit like a "gossip column" entry; if it's from Tevinter, and allegedly written by someone who supports the system that Dorian is working against, they will probably have a particular spin on the events that they learn about. They may repeat rumours or outright lie. On the flip side, I personally think that Dorian uses alcohol as a crutch, but is not yet a full-blown alcoholic. He certainly is in danger of becoming one, but he's not quite there yet. Gaider appeared surprised when someone asked him if Dorian was alcoholic, so I take that as a "Doylist" source. There is, however, plenty to work with for those who think he is an alcoholic.
In WoT, we get "You asked about that young nutter who ran off to the South to cause trouble. Well, here's the word on the street." It's different from David Gaider or Patrick Weekes writing a straightforward entry that says "Here is Dorian. In his youth he (insert past here). He is written as (alcoholic/racist/self-destructive/a slavery apologist/whatever) because we wanted to explore (themes) in this game". It's also different from the art book, which was very much behind the scenes, here-is-where-we-were-going-with-this-character. In short, it's a creative writing exercise, not a documentary.
And on an unrelated note, I love the idea of young Dorian causing merry hell in the Circles. Because of course he would.
Where did you get that fancy staff? Is that the schematic you get by sacrificing the Chargers?
I crafted it with the Dragon staff from Deluxe edition + dense staff grip + masterwork Archon staff blade.
I didn't sacrifice the chargers and I think the Archon blade can be bought at Suledin Keep merchant in Emprise du Lion with the short list perk (I don't remember if I got it from there, though). I believe the staff grip was random drop.
I've never gotten the staff of the dragon, ever. Boo. I just have the regular PS4 version. Double boo. I'm gonna go drown my sorrows in a nacho cheese hot dog now. LOL.
Rumor has it there is a very nice staff schematic if you sacrifice the chargers and complete all the ben-hasrath missions. I've heard you also get a nice staff if you side with the templars. I've done that once but don't recall getting any better staff from it.
So that is where you get that staff! Boo, I don't have the deluxe version. Well, Dorian looks mighty terrifying and yet very appealing in his gear plus the helmet he is wearing. Kudos to you.
There are a number of staff you can find around the place. That one you get with the Templars (if you mean the one that has the serpents) looks impressive but I seem to recall that by the time Dorian joined us, after the battle with Cory, he didn't have it for very long before we found another better one. One of the best staffs in the game is the Grand Enchanter staff, though I can't remember exactly where I got this, but even better is the Staff of the Void, which you get from one of the dragons in the Emprise du Lion. I upgraded this with a superb rune of demon slaying and this took it up to 188. There are better ones in the DLC but not so far as I am aware in the main game (although I haven't taken any of those perks for better stuff). I think I also crafted a First Enchanter staff that was pretty good but not as good, so I gave it to Vivienne. Dorian always got my best stuff, unless I was a mage myself, and even then I sometimes let him have it to compensate for not having the green glowing hand.
New question: Is there any time scale associated with Dorian's conversations with Cole about his Dad? I have played through 5 times now without even getting a hint of this. Do you have to have them together before he meets his Dad for them to occur? Do you have to be in a romance for them to occur? Do they come between the confrontation with his Dad and locking in the romance? I'm thinking of doing another run through from the beginning to enjoy his romance again but I'd really like to try and get some of the conversations I haven't done before.
I've had most of the ones with Cass I think but then they have been together a lot in my parties since she is my favourite tank. When not using her I tend to go with Blackwall, so I've had a fair few of his. I managed to get quite a few between Dorian and Solas, particularly discussing magical technique but also the ones where Solas is snarky. I've had most of the Vivienne ones, I think, and when I've had Sera or Bull in the party they've generally started up chat of some sort. I've had Varric talk when he's with me but with my last romance I was a rogue, so I didn't have much need for him or Cole. However, when I deliberately took Cole with me Dorian talks to him about being a spirit, comments on his choice in clothes and various other subjects but mostly it is Dorian instigating the conversation rather than Cole. This has been the case whether I was in a relationship with Dorian or not. Is it really a case of keeping Cole with me as much as Dorian and hoping that eventually he starts to speak?
I've never had much banter between Cole and Dorian.
The only time I managed to have the whole dad talk was on a post end save with the Cheat engine on , triggering banters every couple of minutes. :s
I've only ever have the Dorian/Cole duck conversation, and Dorian asking if Cole liked the Winter Palace. But to be fair, I rarely take Cole with me anywhere since I'm not a fan of micromanaging him because the AI kind of sucks with a DW rogue. Even when Dorian is in my party with Cole, conversations seem to pop off more with other characters in the party. Like Iron Bull. Or Vivienne. Or Sera. Like Varric/Dorian/Cass or Dorian/Sera/Bull seem to be very chatty.
In regard to staves, I'm specifically looking for schematics. Anything I craft is going to be superior to the best random drop (even when I customize the grips/blades/add better runes). Just like those BAMF-y armor arms I had on my warror last PT. Never found a schematic that looked like them and it makes me crabby. Throw me a random drop bone, bioware. I'm just crabby because back in the day when you played Bauldur's Gate you would get such epic legendary items to drop for you. It was a smorgasbord of so many awesome random drops to choose from. I'd get one awesome weapon, and get an even more awesome weapon five minutes later. Yeah I totally just aged myself out of the internet.
Don't worry, I'm an oldie too. Fond memories of Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment. To be fair, some of the best items in Baldur's Gate 2 certainly involved the most difficult battles and to get the best staff in that game involved fighting a high level mage, a vampire, senior beholder and two other tough enemies at the same time in very limited space, that makes taking on a single dragon and its babies seem like child's play. My main gripe with DAI is that some of the highest rated weapons are daggers, yet DW seems so clunky to me. Still between picking things up off dead things (some giants drop better stuff than others) and crafting them, I got together some decent armour, had a whole collection of different staffs and some pretty good bows as well. The important thing for me was to get the best rune schematics because the top ranking runes really add to the weapon's power.
Dorian and Cole have always refused to talk to each other for me.
Don't worry, I'm an oldie too. Fond memories of Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment. To be fair, some of the best items in Baldur's Gate 2 certainly involved the most difficult battles and to get the best staff in that game involved fighting a high level mage, a vampire, senior beholder and two other tough enemies at the same time in very limited space, that makes taking on a single dragon and its babies seem like child's play. My main gripe with DAI is that some of the highest rated weapons are daggers, yet DW seems so clunky to me. Still between picking things up off dead things (some giants drop better stuff than others) and crafting them, I got together some decent armour, had a whole collection of different staffs and some pretty good bows as well. The important thing for me was to get the best rune schematics because the top ranking runes really add to the weapon's power.
This Dorian art has just the right mix of silk and leather for me.
http://whorelden.tum...o-glad-you-like
Ice and Fire, Lavellan and Dorian. Just like my quizzy and Dorian
http://cherrypikkins...nd-ice-pavellan
I could only get Dorian and Blackwall to talk. Out of all my companions they talk the most to each other.
All those two do is bicker. One time I had to break up an argument they were having immediately after killing an arcane horror at Fort Revesan. I love em but having Blackwall and Dorian in your party together is trying. For me anyhow. I prefer funnier banter and hearing them argue makes me crabby.
All those two do is bicker. One time I had to break up an argument they were having immediately after killing an arcane horror at Fort Revesan. I love em but having Blackwall and Dorian in your party together is trying. For me anyhow. I prefer funnier banter and hearing them argue makes me crabby.
They get kind of friendly after a while.
They're never going to be BFF but it's fun ...Dorian trolls Blackwall hard sometimes though."Hairy Lummox"
... Viper Dorian...
New question: Is there any time scale associated with Dorian's conversations with Cole about his Dad? I have played through 5 times now without even getting a hint of this. Do you have to have them together before he meets his Dad for them to occur? Do you have to be in a romance for them to occur? Do they come between the confrontation with his Dad and locking in the romance?
Sorry to see you haven't gotten them. For the questions...
As far as I can tell each of the banters have a set sequence and you always get them in order. So once you get the first one where Dorian allows Cole to ask him questions there are a couple of other random banters that will play out, and then the father sequence will start and continue for four banters in a row until it is finished.
You don't have to have them together, and neither do you have to be in a romance. This is a non-romance related banter set.
All I can recommend is that you take the two of them with you everywhere, and do spend a lot of time exploring/collecting as that helps. Also, if you feel able to have a three-person party instead of four, you can just forgo the other party member to force them to converse with each other, rather than other people.
I still have never gotten the Cole romance banter about being happy. I had been thinking that it seems logical for it to occur after the father banter, since Dorian's negative emotions are discussed in it, and that it would make sense for Cole to remark on Dorian's new-found happiness after that banter set. Yet I've gotten every single other banter between them and have never gotten this one.
I was also thinking it might be the result of playing through the romance too quickly without allowing Dorian and Cole to get to know each other (through previous banter). I'll have to test this out and see the next time I play.
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