I'm more like Varric in that sense. I tend to go with nicknames with friends or partners
Now I'm wondering what pet name/nickname fits Dorian.
16. Master
That one sounds naughty 
my Lavellan would totally call him Master 
For whatever reason my nickname for Dorian is Dor Dor Binks. (maybe I'm secretly a Jar Jar fan).
For whatever reason my nickname for Dorian is Dor Dor Binks. (maybe I'm secretly a Jar Jar fan).
Oh no...
I think my Lavellan would use Dalish endearments:
Ma Sa'lath - My one love
Vhenan'ara - Heart's desire
or alternatively Welsh:
Cariad - Love
Annwyl - Beloved
Dorian would obviously hate such soppy sentimentality but he's never asked me anything about my culture so unless he asked the meaning may be he'd think it meant similar to Amatus. That's not so far from the truth.
Just found another one in Welsh:
Diflas - It means dull and wearisome - getting my own back but probably not tell him unless he specifically asked and then laugh when I did. I think he'd appreciate that.
My Inquisitor would call him Sex-on-Legs (when he's horny, or downplaying his affection for third parties), Petal (when he's trying to annoy him) and Favourite [Human] generally. Sometimes, when there's no one around, he'll call him Mine but no one is supposed to know that. So shhhhhhhhh.
I really like Ma Sa'lath. (The meaning kind of reminds me of imzadi from Star Trek.)
"Mine." That's a good one 
[Edit:] I just remembered Spanish was my first language lol
- nene
- mi cielo
- mi vida
- cariño
- querido
...to name a few. You can get really cutesy with Spanish. I imagine my inquisitor tormenting Dorian.
I've just been over to the Wiki to read Dorian's conversations with Cole. It is a real shame these don't seem to trigger enough in game because they add so much to his character and story, plus we know that Cole wants to help people who are hurting but if the conversations don't trigger (and you never went to the Wiki or came here) you would think that Dorian was okay. I really hope that if I keep Cole with me as much as Dorian in my next game, I will get them. Much as I like having these insights into his character, when I play the game I really want to try and respond the what my character hears in game, not what I know. Here's hoping for this time round.
Slightly off topic for Dorian, but how does Cole know what the other person thought? He's looking into Dorian's mind, yet he appears to tell him what the other party was thinking at the time of Dorian's thoughts. Can he actually home in on someone's memories regardless of the distance provided they are linked to the person present? Or have I misunderstood such comments as "He would have said yes."?
I've just been over to the Wiki to read Dorian's conversations with Cole. It is a real shame these don't seem to trigger enough in game because they add so much to his character and story, plus we know that Cole wants to help people who are hurting but if the conversations don't trigger (and you never went to the Wiki or came here) you would think that Dorian was okay. I really hope that if I keep Cole with me as much as Dorian in my next game, I will get them. Much as I like having these insights into his character, when I play the game I really want to try and respond the what my character hears in game, not what I know. Here's hoping for this time round.
Slightly off topic for Dorian, but how does Cole know what the other person thought? He's looking into Dorian's mind, yet he appears to tell him what the other party was thinking at the time of Dorian's thoughts. Can he actually home in on someone's memories regardless of the distance provided they are linked to the person present? Or have I misunderstood such comments as "He would have said yes."?
I found that Dorian/Cole conversations triggered easily for me. I hope you get them!
As for Cole knowing the other person's thoughts... I think there was a dialogue that addressed this, but maybe I just dreamt it. Now I also want to know.
Yep, this is where it is. I'm surprised you didn't take the investigate option o,o.
Yea I took that option in first Dorian romance pt and it ever occurred to me he might say something different, on that option, when I didn't talk to him before giving him the amulet. lesigh 
Slightly off topic for Dorian, but how does Cole know what the other person thought? He's looking into Dorian's mind, yet he appears to tell him what the other party was thinking at the time of Dorian's thoughts. Can he actually home in on someone's memories regardless of the distance provided they are linked to the person present? Or have I misunderstood such comments as "He would have said yes."?
My understanding from various convos with Cole and stuff is distance doesn't matter, he seems to be able to tell as long as it is connected to a hurt for someone. He does something similar in Val Royoux if you make him more spirit like.
For whatever reason my nickname for Dorian is Dor Dor Binks. (maybe I'm secretly a Jar Jar fan).
That's so terrible I loled. Hard.
I call Dorian "Hipster Mustache McGee". But only out of love. He totally would fit in here in Chicago in Logan Square with that stache. I've seen some pretty epic ones on the blue line when I used to ride it to work.
[Edit:] I just remembered Spanish was my first language lol
- nene
- mi cielo
- mi vida
- cariño
- querido
...to name a few. You can get really cutesy with Spanish. I imagine my inquisitor tormenting Dorian.
Lol!, I'm Spanish =) (that's why my English is not perfect lol... 
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My Inquisitor would say: cariño, cielo, amor... and also 'te quiero', 'te amo'.
Zevran also says "amor" to a romanced Warden. And since Dorian says "Amatus", I think it would be fitting to call him "Amor" =)
Lol!, I'm Spanish =) (that's why my English is not perfect lol...
My Inquisitor would say: cariño, cielo, amor... and also 'te quiero', 'te amo'.
Zevran also says "amor" to a romanced Warden. And since Dorian says "Amatus", I think it would be fitting to call him "Amor" =)
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I didn't know Zevran says amor. I think I've settled on a pet name, or I've narrowed it down at least 
I found that Dorian/Cole conversations triggered easily for me. I hope you get them!
As for Cole knowing the other person's thoughts... I think there was a dialogue that addressed this, but maybe I just dreamt it. Now I also want to know.
Much as I like having these insights into his character, when I play the game I really want to try and respond the what my character hears in game, not what I know.
I try to play my characters using as little meta knowledge as possible. They have a certain background, certain experiences, have known certain people, and it isn't likely that they would make comments regarding such-and-such, or decisions based on that thing or the other when they don't know about it.
I've seen most examples of other players using meta knowledge during discussions of DAO, particularly with regard to Alistair and Loghain discussion. I find it highly unlikely that someone's character would have whatever insight, enough to base a decision on. But... that's just me.
Slightly off topic for Dorian, but how does Cole know what the other person thought? He's looking into Dorian's mind, yet he appears to tell him what the other party was thinking at the time of Dorian's thoughts. Can he actually home in on someone's memories regardless of the distance provided they are linked to the person present? Or have I misunderstood such comments as "He would have said yes."?
Dr. Doctor already answered, but I'll elaborate:
Cole: "Tama, how will I follow the Qun?" Her hands, strong but gentle, rubs the stubs where the horns will be.
Cole: "You are strong, and your mind is sharp. You will solve problems others cannot." She smiles, but sadly.
Iron Bull: Looks like my old Tamassran was wrong. Bet she's pissed one of her kids went Tal-Vashoth.
Cole: Agents with hushed tones. Eyes stinging. Forms to fill out, course corrections. Reduce risk of similar losses.
Cole: I remember the little boy, too wise, eager to help. Words break in small, secret spaces. He got away. He got away.
Iron Bull: How could you know that? You've never even met her.
Cole: Your hurt touches hers.
Iron Bull: Well, that's, uh, creepy, but... Thanks.
Hm... extrapolating from the specific line, "your hurt touches hers," makes me wonder if Relinus was also interested in Dorian as well (in a romantic way, not just a sexual way), and if Relinus isn't also in a similar position to Dorian with his own family.
It seems absurd to me to want to know so much more about a single line of throwaway dialog in a banter that doesn't ultimately mean anything. But it just seems to open up some interesting possibilities, primarily because of how Dorian reacts to it.
I'll say one thing, there is no way in hell I would touch that in any sort of fanfic. There is no indication whatsoever as to what any of it means, for either guy, so I think trying to come up with something would be a disservice. This is in comparison to Dorian's own feelings about himself and such, which I think we have a lot more to go on than this small bit of information.
I try to play my characters using as little meta knowledge as possible. They have a certain background, certain experiences, have known certain people, and it isn't likely that they would make comments regarding such-and-such, or decisions based on that thing or the other when they don't know about it.
I've seen most examples of other players using meta knowledge during discussions of DAO, particularly with regard to Alistair and Loghain discussion. I find it highly unlikely that someone's character would have whatever insight, enough to base a decision on. But... that's just me.
Ahh.. meta gaming... there was a discussion about Cullen where people were all like "I'd never have my lady mage romance Cullen" but that was all based on what they as a player know about Cullen's history and actions and how they as a player interpret them. I always have my lady mages romance Cullen, because the only know what is presented to them in game from him, and he seems like a nice enough guy. It's hard to step back sometimes and NOT meta game.
Ahh.. meta gaming... there was a discussion about Cullen where people were all like "I'd never have my lady mage romance Cullen" but that was all based on what they as a player know about Cullen's history and actions and how they as a player interpret them. I always have my lady mages romance Cullen, because the only know what is presented to them in game from him, and he seems like a nice enough guy. It's hard to step back sometimes and NOT meta game.
People meta game even without realizing. From an purely ingame perspective, the most logical choice is to exile the wardens. They messed up big time and can't be trusted. But we, as players know of how important they are, because we played Origins, and saw there that blights only end with the sacrifice of a warden. But the Inquisitor as an character, knows nothing of that.
Ahh.. meta gaming... there was a discussion about Cullen where people were all like "I'd never have my lady mage romance Cullen" but that was all based on what they as a player know about Cullen's history and actions and how they as a player interpret them. I always have my lady mages romance Cullen, because the only know what is presented to them in game from him, and he seems like a nice enough guy. It's hard to step back sometimes and NOT meta game.
Those conversations always frustrate me ><
People meta game even without realizing. From an purely ingame perspective, the most logical choice is to exile the wardens. They messed up big time and can't be trusted. But we, as players know of how important they are, because we played Origins, and saw there that blights only end with the sacrifice of a warden. But the Inquisitor as an character, knows nothing of that.
I wouldn't say we know nothing of that. It seems to be pretty common knowledge in the game that Grey Wardens are needed to end blights even if people don't know exactly how that works. I did exile the Wardens in one PT but it felt so wrong to me (especially since I always give everyone else who does awful things second chances).
Ahh.. meta gaming... there was a discussion about Cullen where people were all like "I'd never have my lady mage romance Cullen" but that was all based on what they as a player know about Cullen's history and actions and how they as a player interpret them. I always have my lady mages romance Cullen, because the only know what is presented to them in game from him, and he seems like a nice enough guy. It's hard to step back sometimes and NOT meta game.
This is a bit of a digression into Cullen -- but I suppose could apply to any LI, or any person --, so I'll keep it brief. It is rather annoying how people act like other people can't grow or change their minds about something. I feel that Cullen explains himself rather well in all of the dialog you can have with him about his past in DAO and in Kirkwall. He doesn't try to excuse himself and pretty much says he wishes he would have acted differently. IMO you can ask for nothing more. When I heard those lines I felt that the writers had done a good job of addressing all previously voiced concerns that people had about him.
I will add that the only thing I have reservations about are his lack of action regarding the terrible abuses at the Kirkwall Circle, particularly the sexual abuse. That is waved away (by the writers) by his saying that there were things (abuses and such) that Meredith deliberately kept from him. But he was Knight-Captain there for many years. It just doesn't seem likely that he would have been completely unaware of it, rather that he put the warnings in the back of his mind, or excused them away in the way that many seers of abuse do.
People meta game even without realizing. From an purely ingame perspective, the most logical choice is to exile the wardens. They messed up big time and can't be trusted. But we, as players know of how important they are, because we played Origins, and saw there that blights only end with the sacrifice of a warden. But the Inquisitor as an character, knows nothing of that.
It might be the most logical choice, but meta knowledge isn't required to make a different choice and let them stay. My Inquisitor weighs the pros and cons of all decisions.
The pros are extra bodies in the fight against Corypheus; they are strong militarily. You can also look at it in terms of your Inquisitor's personality and whether they are the type to give second chances and allow the Wardens to make up for their colossal f up.
The cons are that they can still be manipulated by the Venatori and Corypheus. Then there is also the moralistic reason -- varies per Inquisitor -- of what they did and whether they deserve that second chance to prove themselves.
OK, enough of my digression from Dorian. Sorry about that.
People meta game even without realizing. From an purely ingame perspective, the most logical choice is to exile the wardens. They messed up big time and can't be trusted. But we, as players know of how important they are, because we played Origins, and saw there that blights only end with the sacrifice of a warden. But the Inquisitor as an character, knows nothing of that.
I agree with this. I've had PTs where I exile and some where I don't but in my mind it feels disingenuous to exile them. In the back of my mind I start thinking about how that is going to affect who becomes Divine and if it is going to make my LI crabby at me. In my mind it feels disingenuous to side with the Templars at all since I am pro-mage and have played all the DA games that way (which is why I've only done it once in 8 play throughs). That meta gaming aspect is always there. The first PT is always the least meta-gamey. But I don't necessarily get the outcomes I would want for canon.
Hm... extrapolating from the specific line, "your hurt touches hers," makes me wonder if Relinus was also interested in Dorian as well (in a romantic way, not just a sexual way), and if Relinus isn't also in a similar position to Dorian with his own family.It seems absurd to me to want to know so much more about a single line of throwaway dialog in a banter that doesn't ultimately mean anything. But it just seems to open up some interesting possibilities, primarily because of how Dorian reacts to it.
I'll say one thing, there is no way in hell I would touch that in any sort of fanfic. There is no indication whatsoever as to what any of it means, for either guy, so I think trying to come up with something would be a disservice. This is in comparison to Dorian's own feelings about himself and such, which I think we have a lot more to go on than this small bit of information.
I've spent a lot of time thinking about this because it intrigues me as well. Take for example how things work in Orlais. Having a relationship with someone married is not only accepted but there's actual titles and recognition of the fact it's. If you talk Viv about things with her and Bastion she makes it clear her and his wife got along really well. Which actually makes a lot of sense to me after thinking about it.
However, in Tivinter is seems like while extra marital affairs are "accepted" I have always gotten the impression it's more of an open secret. Where everyone knows but no one acknowledges. Which... that can be really hard in many ways and I could see why Dorian wouldn't be happy like that. I vaguely wonder if it would have been a bit of less of an issue if things were more like Orlais in that regard. It's hard to imagine for sure, but it might have been possible.
And I wandered off point a bit. What I was getting at was I think part of the key with Dorian is he's probably had his heart crushed before. He says it would be foolish to hope for more, but something being a foolish hope rarely ever stops someone especially when they are young. Could also relate to his comment about being a port in the storm before. I could easily see a situation where he got involved with someone and let himself get attached and it all crumbled.
I agree with this. I've had PTs where I exile and some where I don't but in my mind it feels disingenuous to exile them. In the back of my mind I start thinking about how that is going to affect who becomes Divine and if it is going to make my LI crabby at me. In my mind it feels disingenuous to side with the Templars at all since I am pro-mage and have played all the DA games that way (which is why I've only done it once in 8 play throughs). That meta gaming aspect is always there. The first PT is always the least meta-gamey. But I don't necessarily get the outcomes I would want for canon.
Indeed. But I personally can live with the metagame. Besides, my world state would be pretty dull if it weren't for metagaming. If I were to stick to my Original PT, I would have Alistair as solo king and Stroud as the warden ally. But thanks to the metagame, my save produced an much richer experience. I get to see both Alistair and Anora together in Hushed whispers while I still get warden Loghain in Here lies the abyss. And if it wasn't for meta, Bethany would havely likely died in the deep roads expedition, and I would never be able to live with that. I can live with feeling disingenuous so long as my favourite characters are alive and safe.
And I wandered off point a bit. What I was getting at was I think part of the key with Dorian is he's probably had his heart crushed before. He says it would be foolish to hope for more, but something being a foolish hope rarely ever stops someone especially when they are young. Could also relate to his comment about being a port in the storm before. I could easily see a situation where he got involved with someone and let himself get attached and it all crumbled.
Oh yes, I completely agree that this is plausible as well.
What I mean about the Relinus specifically is that it appears from the original line that Dorian never approached him, or that it was just a super crush or something. BUT, I will say that I could be reading that completely incorrectly and that Cole has reminded Dorian of a past encounter that he actually wishes had turned into more, but was unable to because of the precepts of Tevinter society.
Actually, now that I wrote all that out, I think I like that idea more than what I thought previously... erm, even if it is actually worse for Dorian. I think that explains Cole's actual words -- "He would have said yes," -- as well as Dorian's reaction. Being forcefully reminded of what could have been is never fun, even if you are happy with what you have (i.e. the Inquisitor).
Also, I dunno... I think that Cole's tone is a little too casual in this instance to be talking about something he knew would really hurt. Cole isn't too adept socially, but he's not oblivious, I mean, empathy is practically his job description.
That said, this banter isn't connected to the romance in any way and you get it regardless, so that is something to consider as well.
Who the hell knows, really. I think there are many way to take this one line.
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