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[Kevorka]

It is really more of a title thing then anything else. The only thing I don't like about him is his mustache. So I have to put a mask on or big helmet on him. 

[Gervaise]

I was role playing; I thought if I put a personal perspective on it, it would help put across my point.   I'm sorry, I was wrong, so I'll revert to the general.

 

At the Well Dorian makes a personal plea to you.   You know he must mean it because he is totally serious when he makes it.   Bearing in mind his reaction after the Fade, you know how badly it will affect him if you chose to ignore his plea.     Now if you go ahead and drink, you do get a reaction and so I understand eventually (after you tame the dragon?) he forgives you or something.    Yet if you respect his advice and your relationship, you get nothing, not even a simple "Thank you".   Did I miss something through going to the Fade to meet Flemeth instead of in the grove because otherwise I'm pretty sure that the next conversation I have, he is telling me he is thinking of leaving.   To be honest I'd have been happier if after I'd met Flemeth he'd said "Bet you're glad you listened to me now!"   He could have sounded as smug as he liked over that.

 

Then there is the timing of announcing he's thinking of leaving after you defeat Corypheus.    If he doesn't want to discuss your future together because you might both be dead, why bother with planning anything else?   He is an intelligent man, he has emotions, surely he has some sort of empathy with the Inquisitor.   Does it not occur to him that raising the subject at that time, when the big show down with Cory that everyone expects will happen eventually has not yet occurred, that it might be extremely bad for the morale of the Inquisitor, that it might unsettle him and may be even make him a bit reckless when he needs to be calm and focussed on the job at hand so he doesn't get everyone killed.    Is that why Dorian was so surprised at their survival, because he'd realised what a jerk he'd been?

 

There is no reason for a character appear to be egotistical unless the writer choses to make them like that.    There has been a lot of discussion about Dorian the victim but less about how insensitive he can be at times towards the Inquisitor.   I love the guy but there are times when I wish we had been allowed to stand up to him a bit more and perhaps encourage him to occasionally be a little more humble and considerate towards the Inquisitor and take him a bit less for granted. 

[nightscrawl]

It is really more of a title thing then anything else. The only thing I don't like about him is his mustache. So I have to put a mask on or big helmet on him.

 
Lol when I first saw him in the character reveal I was basically like, "Really with that mustache?" But now I just see it as a part of him, so much so that screenshots of the mods where he is sans-'stache are just WEIRD.
 
And then of course it's fun to imagine him rising early every morning to go through his whole routine. XD

[Reznore57]

I think Gervaise , the problem isn't Dorian , the problem is when you roleplay a Dalish elf.

I know during my playthrough my Inquisitor wasn't the happiest guy around , his clan died , no one said anything.

Then you meet your ancestors , the well of Sorrow , I mean it's like a dream for a Dalish , but again it turns sour very fast.

 

Dorian has his litttle melt down after the Fade , which is fine.

But after the well of Sorrow he agains goes all "OMG imagine what it means for Tevinter!".For a Dalish , I guess the feeling is ..."Dude , imagine what it means for my People !K?Thanks!"

 

Now I don't really mind Dorian wanting to leave and go back to Tevinter...It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

Why should he care about what happens in the South?After Corypheus is defeated , what's left is dealing with politics ...he has bigger fish to fry at home...and it's ok if he doesn't feel like spending his life being one of the Inquisitor cheerleaders.

But to be honest , my personal headcanon is my Inqui and Dorian will drift apart at one point , one cares about the Dalish , the other about Tevinter .

The Inquisition was their common ground.

[nightscrawl]

I don't really see Dorian as more self-centered as any of the other NPC's though. All of the LIs have their own crap to deal with, have their personal quests, and do have instances where they show, unprompted, concern for the Inquisitor. I'm not denying his flaws, but some of the talk makes it seem like he just doesn't care beyond how it affects himself -- I caution against conflating real ego and sarcastic pretense (both of which he has) with a true lack of care and emotional investment.
 
For Dorian specifically, the big one of course is post-Adamant. There is also the second, more minor moment he has at the Winter Palace where it does seem like he's trying to make you feel better for having to deal with all of the political BS.

 

And I dunno... perhaps some of it is a 'problem' with playing a Dalish PC. But it seems unreasonable to expect any great deal of that type of reactivity from the game when we haven't gotten it in any of the previous games, and neither the Qunari or dwarf origins have something special as well.
 
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Oh and... ZOMG DG WRITING ANOTHER DA BOOK AND FENRIS IS IN IT. Eeeeeeeeee!!11one
 
I'm actually rather hoping it will be another prequel type like Throne and Calling and that we will get to go to Tevinter (maybe see Dorian? please oh please) and see some of it first-hand.

[The Elder King]

Gaider has never written a romance without major hurdles, honestly. As well, in his romances, I've noticed race-based roadblocks. I don't mind, actually, since I think it makes for nuanced writing and a nuanced relationship, but he doesn't DO OTP, and never really has. People headcanon it that way, but pretty much ALL his characters have questionable futures when all is said and done. Some are just more obvious about it.
 
Alistair? Better not be a non-Cousland, if he's King, or... well, no, you're both Wardens and you're doomed to no kids and an early death while fighting side by side in the Deep Roads from the start. Sorry!
 
Morrigan? Even if she's madly in love with you, she still leaves - sometimes carrying your child.
 
Zevran? He's still an ex-assassin with the Crows on his trail. Hardly a steady or peaceful after-game life
 
Fenris? Better not be a mage Hawke, or talk about SERIOUS growing pains. Oh, even non-mage Hawkes aren't given a happy ending, not really, it's just 'not that bad'
 
Cassandra? Ah, she's a Divine now, sorry. Or helping rebuild the Chantry or rebuilding the Seekers, or what have you.
 
So Dorian not reacting to the pain of a Dalish Inquisitor, or being a bit too self-absorbed and joking about it, or even leaving to go back to Tevinter at the end - those are all part and parcel of Gaider's approach to romance, in my view.
 
For me, the relationship with Dorian is precious *because* of his flaws, and a lot of that is because of my RL experiences. I won't bore anyone with the details, but suffice it to say that when I played the game for the first time and romanced Dorian, I couldn't describe how much I fell in love with how silly, arrogant, and yet painfully dear he could be. I saw the opportunities where it would have been nice to respond differently, but in the end, it didn't matter because I had that port in the storm that Dorian gave me, and I was more grateful for it than perhaps I should have been.
 
I don't see Dorian as an easy relationship, but I see him as one of the best and most worthwhile ones. Again, that's Gaider's touch, and why his romances are generally my favorites. 
 
I do agree that the Dalish have the most painful paths available to them in the game. After the Temple of Mythal, no one - not even Solas in a romance - talks to them about what the revelation means. Sera goes a bit nuts, Dorian talks of Tevinter, &c &c. (When it comes to that, though, Solas is obviously an even more painful romance for a female Dalish than Dorian for the male Dalish, just sayin'). However, I think that is more a matter of resources and timing and what they decided to put their efforts into more than full and honest intent.
 
So... I see where both sides of this discussion are coming from, but in the end, I will always love Dorian and be very happy that he and DAI came into my life when I needed it the most.

I mostly agree, thiugh I wouldn't out Cassandra in the category (unless she's the Divine). And the Warden and Morrigan in the end get an happy ending.

[shinynotshiny]

I grew to love Dorian's mustache. I'm still trying to convince someone I know to accept that mustache.

 

I'd like to go to Tevinter. Also yay Fenris.

 

I haven't played through Dorian's romance (yet) but I've seen enough of it to form an opinion. He's insecure, he's guarded, he's hopeful. Sarcasm and the like is often a coping mechanism. I think the worst romance by far is Blackwall's. Just eugh.

 

Also, my main Warden was a Dalish elf and I was looking forward to playing one again. I wasn't happy with the way DAI handled a Dalish Inquisitor, but oh well. I can live with it.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Well, one more reason to be glad I have no interest in playing as an elf. Dorian's reaction to What Pride Has Wrought and the future of their relationship works out perfectly well for Trevelyan. My guy has no interest in being His Inquisitorialness for the rest of his life, so he'll happily skip off to Tevinter after Dorian sooner or later.

[tklivory]

Hi-res version: 

by Cynellis

[JohnstonMR]

Dorian in sexy outfit =)

 

 

http://dragonage-art...heck-out-my-art

 

Which reminds me of one of the silliest things I wasted time on regretting about DAI: In all the other DAO games, one could remove armor and walk around with a half-naked character.  The inability to do that in DAI bothered me a little, even though it's absolutely stupid to do so in most cases. 

[The Elder King]

Oh, Maker, WHY did I even peek into the Feedback & Suggestions area? *shudder* MIND BLEACH STATHi-res version: by CynellisAhhhhhh, much better./also sorry for being so talky. I'll shut up again.

What did you in the feedback area?

[The Elder King]

Let's see....There's the 'bring back boob plate armor thread', started by the BSN user who insists that Cassandra can't look pretty unless she's a glam rock glamazon

Really ? There are still people complaining about this?
Good for me that I can like different type of women. And not judge them only by their appearance.

And then there's the 'Isabela in MP a bad idea' thread, where people are bashing on Isabela because of her questionable past. Right. No other companion has a questionable past. Got it. (i'm not doing their phrasing justing, nor do i wish to, honestly)It's just... I want to stay here, in the comfort and safety of the Dorian thread, where even heated discussions don't get reduced to attacks on Dorian or each other. I prefer it here.

That thread is mostly about concern/complaint about her presence in MP. I saw some subtle comments about her, but nothing big (or maybe I missed them.

[Gervaise]

You are probably right about the Dalish thing and I've just realised that of course it is not just Dorian at fault after the Well.    No one acknowledges it might have had an impact on you apart from Sera who either jeers (if you didn't drink) or sticks an arrow in your face (if you did).   I gather she even breaks up with her romance if they won't denounce the elven gods, so I guess who am I to complain if my lover's only sin is one of omission.

 

On the subject of Tevinter, I really think that is what Solas has got his sights set on.    On the latest run I was talking with him about magic and when the subject of blood magic came up and he defended it, I chose the option about Tevinter, which I hadn't before, and it was clear from his response that he really hates what they represent and how they used the legacy of elven magic and artefacts that they scavenged.   Then when we went to Redcliffe and spoke with Fiona he emphasised about them making themselves slaves of Tevinter.    I know he has a go at Dorian about the slavery thing as well and I'm pretty convinced that his People are anyone who is oppressed and in need of a big rebellion to free them (seeing as Fen'Harel is now seen as a rebel god rather than a trickster).     If this is the case then Dorian and Solas are going to be on opposite sides in the future because somehow I don't see Solas as just settling for a bit of reform of the system there.   I almost wonder if that is why he says what he does to Dorian "If you are really sorry about the past, then free the slaves of all races", which I dare say also includes spirits as well, because it is only a matter of time before he makes his move and he is effectively giving him a last chance to prevent it. 

[nightscrawl]

Sorry about this digression about MP, but as I really have no interest in it I'm unlikely to learn this any other way. I know there are some unique characters there and such, but it's my understanding that there is no real story, deep interaction, or anything of the kind. So why does it matter if it's Isabela over some other fem rogue in a skimpy outfit?

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Back to Dorian... A couple of pages ago I realized I had been spelling poor Rilienus's name wrong for like for forever, and I've corrected that. Anyone have a clue as to pronunciation? I'm thinking that Cole's VA pronounces it incorrectly -- he seems to say Ri-LEE-nus and misses a syllable, as opposed to how it is spelled Ri-LEE-EH-nus.

[shinynotshiny]

I don't understand the spelling either. I pronounce it the way Cole does. I mean, he poked around Dorian's head, so I'll take it.

[EggplantRed]

Long time lurker. Just stopping by to drop a little something then I'm off to lurkdom again 

 

A modern interpretation of Dorian:

See the rest at: http://klc-journei.t...an-requested-by

[shinynotshiny]

No lurking!

 

I keep staring back at modern Dorian because I think he's pretty spot-on. Maybe piercings instead of stretched ears. Also, the Iron Bull version is cute (with the chocolate and everything). Aw.

[Fredward]

I keep staring at modern Dorian because Rafa ****** Rech tho.

[nightscrawl]

Danaduchy posted the talktables of several of the Dorian conversations, so now you can easily see ALL of the dialog paths. I do suggest bookmarking this for reference.

 

One of my fav Danaduchy Dorian pieces has the line "You're the Inquisitor, amatus. King of the world. I am pleased with whatever time I can have, while I can." I had always wondered where that came from, and now I know... It is during the "about the future" dialog if you pick "[That might be best.] That might save us both some trouble."
 
I'm rather conflicted now. On the one hand, that is a FANTASTIC line from Dorian, and certainly more indicative of his feelings (both for the Inquisitor and the future of the relationship). On the other hand, that isn't a response that my Inquisitor would actually say. Sigh...

 

Some of these I had never seen before because I typically like to pick the same options (I'm boring, I know). While I have done the whole quicksave/reload for some conversations, I haven't done it with all of them -- DAI is more annoying in this regard than DA2 was, where I did see most options for everything. It is quite interesting though. I think seeing all of the Dorian responses together allows one to get a clearer picture.

[Gervaise]

Thank you for this dialogue; have saved it to my computer for study at leisure.   As you say, that one you quote is great dialogue but not something you are going to pick unless you want to romance to end.     Now I have a dilemma.   As you know I am doing a new run through with Dorian as romance to try and get all the dialogue I didn't get on previous runs, particularly with Cole.    Does anyone know, if you don't take some of the early heart icons can you still activate the romance at a later date?  I'd like to explore some of the other options, particularly because even when I wasn't intending to romance him, I was still flirting with him, because my girl didn't know he was gay and my other guy was bisexual and was as cocky and confident as Dorian, so enjoyed sparing words with him (but I was determined to stick to my guns and see the Cassandra romance through to the end).    So I've no way of knowing if it creates a problem if you don't choose the heart icon.    I know on some of my other runs I didn't select the heart icon for other characters and yet it still came up later but then even when locked into the Cassandra romance I was still getting flirt options for Dorian, so that is not necessarily anything to go by.   There have been times with Dorian's romance when I'd like to take a different option but didn't want to risk it and that experiment with the post Well dialogue has shown that whilst you get a different dialogue at the party for not choosing the romance one, you don't get a better result (if you don't want Dorian to say he's leaving) and in fact get a worse outcome than if you choose the same dialogue as a friend (since then he says he is staying).

 

Help and guidance would be much appreciated because I don't want to get down the line, only to discover I have prevented the romance through my dialogue choices.

[Gervaise]

I've just come across a dialogue that I did choose my first ever run through with my girl mage but had forgotten about.  When saying that no one will thank him for his efforts and no one will thank the Inquisitor either", you can respond "We don't know that will happen.   Nobody does".    In response Dorian says:

"An optimist!  Such a rare breed.   I've stumbled upon a unicorn!"

 

That dialogue about trying to turn him into a unicorn actually makes sense now.   I'm trying to make him into an optimist about relationships when he has no experience of them and so isn't able to see it the same way as me.   

 

Thinking about it, I'm definitely a unicorn.

[shinynotshiny]

I keep staring at modern Dorian because Rafa ****** Rech tho.

 

I keep laughing at this photo, not because it's a bad photo, but because of the comment "nalgas de bebe."

[Gervaise]

Okay, so I've just browsed through the bits of Dorian dialogue that take place at Skyhold.   I'm finding it difficult to follow some of the paths because it looks as though some prompts can result in three different responses.    Some of the ones that occur after the particular ones that I have been moaning about are different to what I got.   In fact if I had got one of the other responses I'd not have been complaining at all.   Dorian is still being Dorian, sometimes joking, sometimes serious but he is being considerate and understanding.    And one of the responses to the talk about the future actually has him saying that we will discuss it further after Corypheus has been defeated, so he does understand that it is something best left until then.  (just as I was arguing should have been the case).  

 

Then after the Well what causes him to say this:   (What about us?)  Inquistor "You would just leave.   What about.......?"   Dorian:  "Yes, I'm aware I said I would stay.   It's simply......"

When did he say he would stay?    Looking back at the dialogue I can't seem to find an instance.    So it must be assumed to be something they talked about in the privacy of the bedroom.   There are also two different responses to (I need you).

 

I can only think that I've been choosing the "wrong" dialogue response somewhere along the way and this leads to a different response further down the line.  That is why I am getting the responses that stir me up when if I had only chosen something different I'd be fine.  

 

Am off to find some old game files and see if I can fathom this out.

[nightscrawl]

^ I think those more distant ones might be for a non-romance path. For example, the response to "I understand" is not the heart break remark, but rather "Dorian: (Sighs.) That's a relief," which makes sense to say to a friend.
 
Let's take another example:
[Just go, then.] If that's what you want to do, then go.
Dorian: Hmm. I thought you'd care more, honestly.
Dorian: It would bring me no pleasure to leave, but I must.
Dorian: No, I didn't think it mattered to you. It might surprise you to know that you're the one who inspired me.
 
All three of these responses are based on the different type of relationship you can have with Dorian. I think the first is for a friend, the second for a romance (without picking the direct romance option), and the third is for a non-friend (I don't know who those people are...)
 
But it's been forever since I've played that way so I don't remember what he says for a friend instead of a romance.

 

As you say, that one you quote is great dialogue but not something you are going to pick unless you want to romance to end.

I dunno, I look at the whole bit of dialog for that response (longer than what I posted above) as being more realistic than anything else. It harkens back to Dorian's comments in the post-sex scene: "I like you. More than I should. More than might be wise. We end it here, I walk away. I won’t be pleased, but I’d rather now than later. Later might be dangerous," ... "Walking away… might be harder then."
 
So I think with this response he's basically admitting that he's fallen for the Inquisitor and knows that "after" has the potential to be bad, which is why he doesn't want to think about it.
 
I quite like this, actually.

 

Does anyone know, if you don't take some of the early heart icons can you still activate the romance at a later date?

If you don't flirt with him before hand, I think the only path available will be the heart during the post-father scene after he says, "Maker knows what you must think of me now, after that whole display." The Mother Giselle initiation probably won't be available if you haven't made your interest known by flirting previously.

 

If you still want that second option, but want minimal flirting, I have two suggestions, dependent on which tavern-conversation path you normally take.

 

1 You can pick whichever flirt you think is the most innocuous and use that as your romance trigger. However I think if you do this you will get Dorian's come-on "You're rather strapping" line, which also causes you to flirt.

 

2 You also might be able to forgo all flirting and (I think) just use the tavern conversation to "come out." However, if you haven't shown any interest previously, I don't know if Dorian takes an interest from that because there are a couple of paths for flirt vs non-flirt, but I think that it IS a heart option, so I dunno...

 

It all depends on the kind of path you want to craft. To me the tavern scene can play a big role in this. Since I flirt with him openly, I never pick the option because I figure my Inquisitor is basically thinking, "Well yeah, I kinda figured that."

 

Although, there are some great lines in there. AND this dialog thing answered a question that I did have regarding whether Dorian had ever been with a woman. Man... I bet he had all sorts of girls pining away for him at school.

[Gervaise]

I've just discovered I've been my own worst enemy and been too nice instead of taking my own advice about standing up to Dorian occasionally.   I've tended to take either the top or middle option on dialogues instead of the bottom one because invariably that results in "Dorian disapproves."   So it's me being a wimp instead of Dorian being domineering and insensitive.  That'll teach me.

 

Went to the old save before talking about the future, asked him what he wanted and when he said he didn't want to be an ornament, instead of taking the top option "You know you're not that", which results in the puppy eyes comment, I went for the bottom one "No Games" and bingo Dorian is earnest and serious.   He doesn't like it mind you but that's okay, at least we're both being honest and I feel more comfortable with the relationship.   Brilliant.   Sorry DG: all is forgiven. 

 

Should also say thank you all, particularly nightscrawl for having such patience with me.   My strategy is going to be on the whole to take the heart icons just in case but having done so, if given a choice about the next branch, explore the variants on what I have tended to use before (With lots of check point saves just in case).   Also get to Skyhold as soon as I can so I can take Dorian and Cole out on as many quests together as I can in different locations to try and trigger their conversations.    With any luck that should give me the full Dorian experience.   Here's hoping.