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[nightscrawl]

^ As awesome as that is, they look like they're using the wrong lightsabers. Anchor green and Necromancy purple?

 

Oh and uh... insert some joke about crossing the swords/streams/etc.

[Melbella]

After my somewhat unhealthy response* to discovering that MY Fenris was dating/boinking Isabela (nevermind I was romancing Anders this particular PT), I'm not sure I ever want to hear Dorian and Iron Bull discussing their relationship.  While I am quite happy to share Dorian with you lovely people, in game he's mine mine mine!!!      
 
*(I really do owe Isabela an apology for the horrible things I said about her, her parentage, her outfit and her hygiene...."Disease-ridden ho-bag" may or may not have slipped out at some point)   

Yeah, I never let Isabela near Fenris anymore, and I just want to smack her during the cutscene where she talks about liking the view.  It doesn't matter if my Hawke is romancing him or not - he's still mine.

 

I don't have quite as strong a reaction re: Dorian/Bull but, after completing both romances myself, I definitely prefer them not together as together.

[Dr. Doctor]

Thanks for this!! And yay on the name. "Aquirtea" was awkward.I find it rather amusing that her family name follows the naming conventions used for dwarves in World of Warcraft.

I had the thought that her last name was pronounced similar to Lando Calrissian's.

[trevelyan_shep]

Does choosing to ally with the Templars hinder the romance with Dorian?

[Dr. Doctor]

Does choosing to ally with the Templars hinder the romance with Dorian?

More slows things down than anything else, he's not there to gain/lose approval. I think he won't even mention it unless you have low approval. To romance you need to talk to him and do his war table missions then do his side quests.

[Sui Causa]

When it comes to Inquisitor x Dorian or Iron Bull x Dorian, I have a very firm belief in:

OT3 for life.

[trevelyan_shep]

More slows things down than anything else, he's not there to gain/lose approval. I think he won't even mention it unless you have low approval. To romance you need to talk to him and do his war table missions then do his side quests.

Okay, I figured but wanted to double check. Decided to disband them this time.

[Valhallix]

I wish we could have seen more of Dorian's gentler side but that is why I like the Champions run.   You see more of Dorian's character even if you get slightly less screen time with him.

 

 

 

I think you're reading a little too much into it though. It doesn't really show Dorian's character persay because the same thing happens with Cole should you choose Templars instead literally the same way down to the knock on the door lol. 

[Arlee]

I think you're reading a little too much into it though. It doesn't really show Dorian's character persay because the same thing happens with Cole should you choose Templars instead literally the same way down to the knock on the door lol. 

 

Yes, but you would expect that behavior out of a spirit of compassion

[nightscrawl]

While I don't think that DG would have just allowed his character to be represented as OOC just for a gamey aspect of the game (i.e. switching messenger roles with Cole), I do think that those things should be taken into consideration to a degree. This applies to every story aspect of the game, particularly a game like this with with many variables, and not a more straight forward fixed-character driven story like say, the Witcher.

 

That said, I do think his particular entrance is more -- dramatic? significant? indicative? -- because he has clearly hauled his ass there and is represented a bit differently than Cole is, even though they serve the same function. I do wish there was a bit of a difference for meeting him at Redcliffe versus a total surprise in that scene (I didn't seem to notice one).

[Arlee]

Yea there isn't a difference when he shows up at the gate if you've met him or not which ANNOYS THE CRAP out of me. Like seriously if you've never met him before and he just shows up at your gate claiming to be here to help, why would you just trust him out of hand? Why does no one (especially Cullen) raise any issues with this? Grrr

[Forsythia77]

Does choosing to ally with the Templars hinder the romance with Dorian?

 

No, you just can't really talk to/recruit him until after you get to Skyhold.  The one time I did the Templar path I conscripted them and it did not have any effect on my eventual relationship with Dorian.  Ironically the person who conscripted the Templars was a mage.  But then again most all of my PTs have been mages.

[Gervaise]

The first time I did Dorian's romance on the Templar run I didn't really see any significance in the way he turned up at Skyhold; simply that he was taking the place of Cole.   I wasn't really paying attention because I didn't appreciate the significance of his clothing.   This time I did probably because when I got to Skyhold I didn't have some spare robes to just chuck on him but had to go and craft some and realised his staff was also very basic.  So it seemed deliberate on the part of the team.    It is true that he and Cole are interchangeable in their roles but the manner of them turning up is different.    Also as Arlee says, you would expect a Spirit of Compassion to be sympathetic to Roderick and care for him.   So whilst there is an element of simply taking his place, that is not all there is.   In fact when Dorian helps Roderick, there is a brief look that the Inquisitor gives him that seems like surprise (although may be I am reading too much into that).   When you speak with Dorian about Roderick at Skyhold you get approval when you thank him.    So even if it wasn't intentional by the Devs, I like to see it as showing the compassionate side to his character that he normally keeps hidden but is there nevertheless.

 

Anyway, I'm back looking for help again.   I swear this game will drive me nuts.    Just done Last Resort of Good Men and when we return to Skyhold the only difference from previous games is that I didn't take the heart icon but went with "I think you're brave".    Then immediately that sequence finished, Mother Giselle starts on at Dorian and at the end of that sequence I took the heart icon and have to admit I rather like the way that plays out.    Then the problem occurred, because on my previous runs, as soon as I left Dorian I got the note from Leliana.  At least that's how I remember it but may be my memory has gone fussy because this time it didn't.    So is my memory at fault or has it failed to trigger?     Am not going to proceed any further until I'm sure.  It took two shots to trigger the cut scene at the Gull and Lantern; first time we walked in and there was just an empty tavern but no cut scene.    So clearly it has decided to be a bit buggy.

[nightscrawl]

^ I think my solution has a redundant step, but here it is anyway. This is my preferred path, and I'm a bit paranoid about making sure it plays out correctly.

 

After the Giselle conversation go to another map, and then back to Skyhold. Talk to Dorian again and say that you want to be closer (this is where you get the second "confirm Dorian romance" option). After this go to another map again, and then back to Skyhold. The messenger should now be there, along with the standard romance dialog options, kiss-on-demand, etc.

 

(Be sure to do the kiss-on-demand at least once before doing the amulet quest and quarters scene where you lock in the romance because his reaction when you ask the first time is priceless... actually, I'm not sure if you are going to like it, but it's typical Dorian.)

 

Also, the annoying tavern bug is unrelated to other romance bugs. I've gotten that numerous times and the romance has played out just fine.

[nightscrawl]

Do any of you guys have a strategy for spacing out the romance? In my current play I want to test out my idea that in order to get the Cole/Dorian romance banter they have to be better friends when the romance happens, but it's kinda difficult to not just go through it when I get to Skyhold.

[Dr. Doctor]

Yea there isn't a difference when he shows up at the gate if you've met him or not which ANNOYS THE CRAP out of me. Like seriously if you've never met him before and he just shows up at your gate claiming to be here to help, why would you just trust him out of hand? Why does no one (especially Cullen) raise any issues with this? Grrr

Because giant army bearing down on Haven? Dorian rolled a natural 20 on his diplomacy roll?

[CarrionFowl]

In my first Dorian-mance PT, I received the amulet-quest a bit after the face-off with Mother Giselle. It was defo a bit later, so I don't think you have to worry about that. But you could make an extra save and keep gaming and if it fails to trigger, go back to a previous save (I did that a lot in my previous PT's^^)

 

Also... the more I read here, the more I realize that I have been missing bits and pieces from the romance in my PT... I didn't look it up or anything, since I love to be blind-sided by romances, but apparently I've been missing several scenes (big or small) and now I'm just sitting here feeling like a dork... Now I want to do the Dorian romance even more, with a completely new char^^ Lucky for me, I started gaming with a new guy three days ago and I'm close to Champions of the Just^^ This time I'll go for the Templars, I think... That is if I can survive having Viv in my party and not Dorian... Still... better than Solas *gg*

 

Because giant army bearing down on Haven? Dorian rolled a natural 20 on his diplomacy roll?

 

I would've thought that the army takes precedence in Cullen's mind as well^^

 

Regards, CarrionFowl

 

PS.: Sorry for the incoherent post, I just got out of bed^^

[Arvaarad]

Dorian rolled a natural 20 on his diplomacy roll?

That must have been why he chose to wear his casual clothes in that scene. His shoulder cleavage grants a bonus to all charisma-based rolls.

(aside: I can definitely imagine Dorian being the weird kind of minmaxer in TRPGs, the kind that dumps all his points into CHA and tries to convince all enemies to kill each other and/or join the party. In other words, my kind of minmaxer )

[Arlee]

Do any of you guys have a strategy for spacing out the romance? In my current play I want to test out my idea that in order to get the Cole/Dorian romance banter they have to be better friends when the romance happens, but it's kinda difficult to not just go through it when I get to Skyhold.

 

Before hand I planed out when exactly in the story I wanted each thing to happen, and forced myself to never to go to the middle floor of the library unless i was at one of those points... but it was really hard. However, I also had a lot of issues getting Dorian and Cole to talk to each other at all at first.

 

Because giant army bearing down on Haven? Dorian rolled a natural 20 on his diplomacy roll?

 

Yes giant army of Tevinters bearing down on Haven and this one Tevinter shows up and you open the door because he says he wants to help? It's just weird, there's no reason to trust him and since he basically arrives at the same time as the army he doesn't even fill the role of helpfully warning you about them coming.

 

But he did probably roll a 20.

[Gervaise]

I have to agree that if you have never met Dorian, then he is just some random guy turning up who claims he wants to help.   However, if you haven't met him, then you don't know he is from Tevinter.   He just yells, you open the door and there he is on his knees telling you the Venatori are on their way.   This is in fact the same as for Cole on the mages path since you have never met him before either and yet happily let him in.      I suppose the assumption is that anyone who bothers to turn up at that moment with the enemy bearing down on you has got to want to help.    However, you can actually make that point with Dorian at Skyhold when you say he could still be a spy.

 

Alternatively, if you have met him, then you know he was offering help before, even if you rejected it and like I say, he looks genuinely exhausted, plus it is helpful that you do now know definitely who is attacking.    It is amusing that your advisors (well Josephine certainly) expect enemies to follow good form and display their colours before going into battle.    Everyone is so panicked they don't give him too much thought - with no robes and a paltry looking staff may be they don't think he is particularly dangerous.

 

I admire Dorian for standing up to Cullen after only just getting there.   I presume he doesn't realise what a risk he is taking haranguing our commander.   However, it is something that is definitely different from how Cole behaves.   He just draws your attention to what Roderick has to say.   By contrast, Dorian objecting to Cullen suggesting we pull the mountain down on everyone in the hope we'll take Cory with us is what prompts Roderick to come up with his idea.

 

Off back to the game now to see if the romance path continues to work.   However, I might reload further back anyway to see if I can get some more Cole banter first.   When he is recalling Dorian's memories about his father, is this before or after they meet?   So far we've only gone back as far as Dorian's childhood and the wooden duck.

[Arlee]

Pfft he TOTES look like a Tevinter, evil mustache and everything! But yes that's a good point too. My issue with Dorian is only if the player doesn't go to Redcliff first. And I have the same issue when Cole turns up like that. It's one of the reasons I prefer the Templar path (because everyone actually has appropriate reactions when Cole shows up in the War Room unlike when Dorian waltzes in).

[Gervaise]

Just popped back to say that Nightscrawl is right - there is an extra stage in the romance if you didn't choose the heart icon after meeting his father.   I rather like this way of doing things.   So instead of flirting with him on returning from Redcliffe, which did seem a bit off really, I chose the supportive friend option of telling him he's brave (Dorian looked really pleased when I said that).   Then we had our confrontation with Giselle when I did choose the heart icon and we get a wonderful moment of staring at each other briefly as if both our wondering if they should take the first move, Quizzy daring Dorian to do so and finally Dorian does, but in fact I recall the prompt that went with the heart icon was only "possibly start a romance".    Then I had to actually go back and confirm that I wanted us to be closer, which I hadn't realised because on previous runs I had always taken the heart icon after Redcliffe.   It seems more balanced because you get Dorian initiating greater intimacy but then you having to confirm you want it to go further long before you ever get to the bedroom. 

 

So now I can reload and do a bit more adventuring before telling him I want us to be closer (hopefully getting some more Cole dialogue along the way).   Which means that by the time we get to the bedroom scene I will be happier about having sex straight away because it has been developing over time rather than all at once, which previously did make me feel that I was being rushed into something I wasn't ready for.     It also means that when Quizzy can say that line to Dorian "This is more", it is actually true because we have built up an emotional connection along the way.      I didn't believe that line before but I am getting it now.

 

This time is definitely better for knowing there are alternatives to taking the heart icon every time and still keeping the romance going.

[nightscrawl]

Well you certainly seem happier with the romance this time around .

 

It also means that when Quizzy can say that line to Dorian "This is more", it is actually true because we have built up an emotional connection along the way. I didn't believe that line before but I am getting it now.

The three different options for this dialog are interesting, and so are his responses. His responses are actually what I base my choice on because I have the meta knowledge of his history and everything.

I: This is more, Dorian. Right here.
D: Funny I didn't recognize it, then.

I: So let's be foolish.
D: Hard habit to break.
I: I'm good at breaking things.
D: Hopefully not everything.

I: You still feel that way?
D: I'm beginning to learn otherwise.

For me, even though I have this thing about them being friends (and growing closer) before the sex**, I think that the "This is more" seems a bit heavy at this particular moment. But I do like the idea of the scene being a bit more serious so I usually pick "You still feel that way?" I also like it because of Cole's line, "Glittering to gloss a hidden hurt. Unlearning not to hope for more. Stumbling steps where the wall used to be." And as I've said before, I have this thing about questioning Dorian whenever the opportunity arises.

 

BUT, I will say that the "Let's be foolish" option has some nice layers and suggestion -- breaking 'rules,' breaking habits, breaking hearts -- and allows a bit of humor to diffuse the tension of the conversation.

 

 

** I use the non-romance friendship dialog as a basis for this, since it seems to me that Dorian would feel that way regardless, but with the romance there is the extra element.

[Dr. Doctor]

Pfft he TOTES look like a Tevinter, evil mustache and everything! But yes that's a good point too. My issue with Dorian is only if the player doesn't go to Redcliff first. And I have the same issue when Cole turns up like that. It's one of the reasons I prefer the Templar path (because everyone actually has appropriate reactions when Cole shows up in the War Room unlike when Dorian waltzes in).

I was actually surprised that unless you have low approval he doesn't bring up abandoning him in Redcliffe if you met him then took the Templar path.

[nightscrawl]

OK so... I'm posting this because of the Dorian-likes-unicorns talk...

 

Spoiler

Apparently there is a scene in The Witcher 3 where Geralt has sex on a stuffed (as in taxidermied) unicorn. Because of course he does. Conan O'Brien recently played through it on his show.

 

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