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[Gervaise]

I am much more comfortable with the way it is playing out this time round.    Small bit of trivia; I called my elf Enavir on this run.   The literal translation is "emerging path" but in this context I take it to mean "Pathfinder".     He is following his own path in life that differs from the majority of the clan because he is gay, so when he says he admires Dorian for his courage in rejecting tradition and following his own path, he is acknowledging that they have both made a similar choice.    It seems rather appropriate that Enavir is helping guide Dorian to a more hopeful future.

[shinynotshiny]

OK so... I'm posting this because of the Dorian-likes-unicorns talk...

 

Spoiler

Apparently there is a scene in The Witcher 3 where Geralt has sex on a stuffed (as in taxidermied) unicorn. Because of course he does. Conan O'Brien recently played through it on his show.

 

Click me, I'm a link.

 

 

omg

 

You had to plant the image.

[Nymeria Stark]

This is so cute 

 

 

http://emmalath-amat...-sorry-revamped

[TheJediSaint]

He's just giving an elf a proper oppressing, like any good Tevinter should.

[Nymeria Stark]

If that's how Dorian gives a proper "oppressing", then I want him to do it more often xD. No wonder he is the good Tevinter.

[Reznore57]

Do any of you guys have a strategy for spacing out the romance? In my current play I want to test out my idea that in order to get the Cole/Dorian romance banter they have to be better friends when the romance happens, but it's kinda difficult to not just go through it when I get to Skyhold.

 

I don't flirt with Dorian...I only do the "Sorry , I wasn't listening " when you get to Skyhold.

Also I'm not too nice with him overall.Playing a Dalish I yell at him with the slavery talks , gets a few disapprove.

I don't get the romance going right after Skyhold with this.

[Qun00]

I wonder, can a Circle supporting character become a believable couple with Dorian?

It probably would seem like "Oh, you say you like me but *my kind* should be locked up?"

I don't flirt with Dorian...I only do the "Sorry , I wasn't listening " when you get to Skyhold.
Also I'm not too nice with him overall.Playing a Dalish I yell at him with the slavery talks , gets a few disapprove.
I don't get the romance going right after Skyhold with this.

Ah, but your character will eventually make peace with him, right?

While Dorian tries to defend Tevinter, he also criticises his own people very often. It would take blind hatred for someone not to notice both that and his own actions.

I'm not talking about you, but just how hard it would be to play a character that manages to hate him until the end and still seem reasonable.

[Gervaise]

One of the best ways to building friendship without progressing the romance would be to do the Venatori to get his approval up, talk to him about Felix and then hold off doing his quest with his father.   I noticed I quickly racked up approval on that and couldn't avoid Mother Giselle turning up immediately after.   There is a weird blip in my game where she is yelling at the book case and Dorian is standing to one side.   However, if I save immediately she stops talking and reload, then Dorian is in the right position opposite her.    It's a fine a balance really because I wouldn't want to do either of the main quests, Wicked Hearts or Into the Abyss, until after we were officially in a romance.   However, do too many other quests and you are the wrong level, which not only makes them too easy but you don't earn as much experience as you could.

I've given up on trying to manipulate the game to get the Cole dialogue and am just going to proceed as normal and hope I continue to get something.   

 

It is a pity in a way you can't go somewhere that guarantees companion banter without getting attacked.    I used to do that in DA2 by going for a stroll around Hightown and Lowtown during the day.    Kept interchanging companions and so got a lot of dialogue between them.    I thought that would be the case in Val Royeaux but no matter how many times I go there, I never seem to get any dialogue at all.

[nightscrawl]

One of the best ways to building friendship without progressing the romance would be to do the Venatori to get his approval up, talk to him about Felix and then hold off doing his quest with his father. I noticed I quickly racked up approval on that and couldn't avoid Mother Giselle turning up immediately after.

At the moment I have her hanging around in the great hall. I'm just going to leave her there until I'm ready to do the quest at my own pace. Normally I would just accept a quest to appease the NPC, but in this case it seems more weird to have the letter from Halward and not do anything about it than it does to just pretend she isn't asking for a moment of my time every time I run by.

 

There is a weird blip in my game where she is yelling at the book case and Dorian is standing to one side. However, if I save immediately she stops talking and reload, then Dorian is in the right position opposite her.

OH thanks for this. This always annoyed me.

[Gervaise]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in the graphics since the last patch?   You see I'm not sure if it is the result of my graphics card updating or the game itself but everything seems to have been slightly compressed, including the written panels for the war table.   As a consequence I'm sure my elf is looking less like a lanky teenager and has not such a thin, angular face as before, which makes him look a more appropriate age for Dorian.    I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining this; certainly not the change in screen overall even if the improvement in my character is in my imagination.   Anyone else experienced this?

[nightscrawl]

I wonder, can a Circle supporting character become a believable couple with Dorian?

It probably would seem like "Oh, you say you like me but *my kind* should be locked up?"

I'll start this off by saying that although my canon for DAI is a warrior I normally play mage characters.

It depends on what your particular views are and how you think the Circles should be run. Unfortunately, none of the three games have allowed the player any great nuance in expressing their opinion. One of the better conversations for this was the Fenris-gallows dialog where you can express either a hardline free vs containment or a more moderate "not all mages are like that / the ones that are lost should be dealt with" attitude.

In Tevinter the Circles are academies where mages go for education. Even Anders freely admits that the Circle is (usually) the only place a mage can get a decent education and training. Education and training are important. Dorian knows this. Any reasonable, thinking mage, even one who had a hard time in the Circle, would admit this.

 

The problem is not necessarily the Circle itself, or even the templars, the problem is that the entire Circle system is bound to the Chantry, a religious organization that uses as its basis and core belief that "magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him" in order to justify their treatment of mages.

 

Ever since I played a mage in DAO I have always maintained that templars, because of their unique skillset (yes, lyrium addiction is an issue, but beyond the scope of this post), are needed because there ARE evil, crazy, power-mad, or just plain bad mages. We have police in our world. Thedas has templars. The problem is that the templars are the military arm of the Chantry and as such are prone to zealotry.

 

Never, in ALL of the game dialog, or in any of the discussions I've read about mage vs templar vs Chantry have I seen anyone offer a suggestion for dealing with legitimately troublesome mages. In Tevinter the mages don't really "police themselves" either. They have laws, but they are basically there for appearances and are knowingly flouted by many, in addition to selective enforcement to silence political troublemakers. Dorian knows Tevinter's system is corrupt as well.

 

We need a balance. And again, the game doesn't allow you to express this belief, and thus doesn't have NPC dialog in accordance with that, so we can't really know how one would react to it. Really, the perfect opportunity would have been in the dialog you have with Dorian if you are a warrior and take the templar spec, but other than him asking whether you will formally join the Order and making a suggestive remark on your new scent, there isn't any more meaty dialog.

[nightscrawl]

I was going through the David Gaider tumblr archives and ran across this interesting post from before the DAI release.
 

invadermak asked: In the interview with Ashe, you mentioned the possibility that you could have romances with Inquisition characters and turn down sex with them. I know a bunch of asexual fans were pretty hopeful about that possibility (myself included). Is there any way you can clarify that statement without spoiling anything? What exactly does it mean to continue a romance but turn down the LI when it comes to sex? Will the romance scenes be the same otherwise? Thanks!
 
Not all the DAI romance arcs culminate in a “sex scene”, and I can recall at least one where the conversation which would otherwise lead into such a scene need not (at the player’s discretion) and the romance arc continues on. I wouldn’t call it a feature, per se, as it’s not consistently applied, and is just something I encouraged the writers to try.
 
I’m not sure if that counts as asexual representation, but if it amounts to the same thing then that’s great. It’s something you’ll probably see us doing more of in the future—not specifically for asexual fans, but because I’ve always been of the opinion that romance arcs need not always revolve around sex. It’s not the be-all and end-all of what romance is truly about.

Of course we now know that the scene he is talking about is the Dorian one which he wrote.

I've seen him say something similar to "It’s not the be-all and end-all of what romance is truly about" before during romance discussion. In this particular case, given Dorian's personal history, his emotional issues, and the different way the sex vs no-sex scenes play out, I think they both come across really well. I like each version because they each seem meaningful to Dorian in different ways, and one is clearly not superior to the other in terms of "this is how it should have gone, but we're throwing in some RP choice for ya." This choice seems more about Dorian than it does the player.

[Hazegurl]

I wonder, can a Circle supporting character become a believable couple with Dorian?
 

It's a question like this that makes me wish BW had kept the rivalry/friend system in place.  Because I would have loved to see how Dorian reacts to a PC who supports the circle system.  My canon Mage IQ supports the circle system but the way Viv does.  Meaning that he believes the Circles are the best way for Mages to achieve an education and eventual power wile remaining safe from ignorant mobs. I guess, the Circle system without the Chantry setbacks. I sort of wonder how Dorian would react to such a thing if we were allowed to discuss it with him.

[Gervaise]

I think some of those ideas are covered in conversations with Vivienne but unfortunately because she has such a patronising attitude and is clearly a social climber in with the "right" people, the message gets lots.     So far as a pro-Chantry and locking mages up person is concerned, the subject isn't really an issue with anyone when it comes to making friendships/romance because the subject doesn't really come up, which is probably deliberate.     Dorian starts on a very low (minus) approval if you ally with Templars but ultimately it doesn't prevent the romance since there are plenty of opportunities to raise his approval.    After all an anti-mage person is going to be very happy running around killing those Venatori that Dorian has targeted.  

[Melbella]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in the graphics since the last patch?   You see I'm not sure if it is the result of my graphics card updating or the game itself but everything seems to have been slightly compressed, including the written panels for the war table.   As a consequence I'm sure my elf is looking less like a lanky teenager and has not such a thin, angular face as before, which makes him look a more appropriate age for Dorian.    I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining this; certainly not the change in screen overall even if the improvement in my character is in my imagination.   Anyone else experienced this?

Not sure if this is the same thing, but when I pull up the inventory screen, the numbers at the bottom seem to be in a bigger font. I thought it was just my imagination, but maybe not?

[Qun00]

It's a question like this that makes me wish BW had kept the rivalry/friend system in place.  Because I would have loved to see how Dorian reacts to a PC who supports the circle system.  My canon Mage IQ supports the circle system but the way Viv does.  Meaning that he believes the Circles are the best way for Mages to achieve an education and eventual power wile remaining safe from ignorant mobs. I guess, the Circle system without the Chantry setbacks. I sort of wonder how Dorian would react to such a thing if we were allowed to discuss it with him.

We do get to see his input on it. We only don't see it affecting the romance arc.

And by the way, that is more like Cassandra's description. Vivienne loves every bit of the Chantry setbacks. She acknowledges the existence of abuse but doesn't consider it a legitimate issue or a priority.

[nightscrawl]

Dorian starts on a very low (minus) approval if you ally with Templars but ultimately it doesn't prevent the romance since there are plenty of opportunities to raise his approval. After all an anti-mage person is going to be very happy running around killing those Venatori that Dorian has targeted.

Actually, this makes me wonder how much of Dorian's negative approval is not really a mages vs templar thing, but rather that his whole issue with Alexius/Felix/time magic wasn't resolved, or not resolved in his preferred way.
 
I realize that phrasing it that way makes him sound kind of selfish, but I think it's only natural that he would be upset that his reason for coming south in the first place, and his efforts to resolve it, failed in the most horrible way. And this is made even worse if the Inquisitor met him first and still went with the templars.

We do get to see his input on it. We only don't see it affecting the romance arc.

We see him comment on the system as it exists in Tevinter, and his general understanding of mage oppression (and his disagreement with that) in southern Thedas. But the conversation still isn't nuanced in the way that he doesn't comment on the PC's attitudes toward it (as far as I can recall).

[Reznore57]

I wonder, can a Circle supporting character become a believable couple with Dorian?

It probably would seem like "Oh, you say you like me but *my kind* should be locked up?"


Ah, but your character will eventually make peace with him, right?

While Dorian tries to defend Tevinter, he also criticises his own people very often. It would take blind hatred for someone not to notice both that and his own actions.

I'm not talking about you, but just how hard it would be to play a character that manages to hate him until the end and still seem reasonable.

 

Well I romance him so...of course I don't hate the character.

I just roleplay my Inquisitor being annoyed with him at first , the whole "I'm fabulous , I am a noble mage , slavery is not so bad ..." , well me I'm mostly amused by it ...just I imagine it's not love at first sign for my Dalish.

Him and Dorian don't have much in common so it just takes time .

 

Anyway my pc is a bit weird , he freed the mage , but his personal opinion is humans are a bunch of dangerous antisocial looney , and if they want to lock up their mages , it's fine by him.

The main reason I side with the mages is ...Fiona is an elf who sold her own to slavery.There are other elves among the mages...so I just can't conscript them.

If Fiona was an human character , I would conscript them in a hearbeat , and get a better ending with Cass as a divine ...but oh well.

[Qun00]

I had just told you I'm aware you don't hate Dorian personally.

And yet you go on and explain it as if I didn't...

[nightscrawl]

Fiona is an elf who sold her own to slavery.There are other elves among the mages...so I just can't conscript them.
If Fiona was an human character , I would conscript them in a hearbeat , and get a better ending with Cass as a divine ...but oh well.

Sorry for this digression from Dorian, but I just want to remark on this.

I never understand this thought when people talk about Fiona and her decision. I don't support it, but SHE is also included in the deal. It's not like she's going to remain in Ferelden all happy and free while the rest of them are shipped off to Tevinter. If the line of thinking is basically, "If she made that decision for herself alone I wouldn't care," then I guess I can understand. But no one ever seems to say that.

[Gervaise]

Actually if Fiona had only aligned herself, I still be against her because of the whole selling out the people of Ferelden thing.   It is just that Fiona on her own wouldn't be much of an issue; it's the hundreds of others in the deal that is the problem.   Fiona has been causing trouble for years.  In Asunder she says she left the Grey Wardens with the deliberate intent of causing trouble.   Whilst we are not told the whole history of the mage rebellion as detailed in Asunder, I feel I can include anything that took place in Cumberland as something I could find out from others and in any case Vivienne's account of things is pretty accurate.    I allied with the mages on my first run and then was really unhappy that Fiona was still their de facto leader and started to cause trouble again when Cassandra became Divine.    So now if I do a mage run I always conscript them because I feel that I make a better advocate for them than she ever did.  Clearly the mages think so too because if Leliana becomes Divine they stay with the Inquisition as the Bright Hand.

 

With regard to Dorian and the loss of approval with the Templar run, it could be because of personal disappointment but so I've read, since I only ever conscript Templars (disbanding the order), the loss of approval is greater if you ally with them than disband and conscript them.    This leads me to think that there is an aspect of disapproval of the Chantry and the way the Templars ran the Circles contained in that.   Otherwise, if it was only his disapproval because you didn't help him originally, then surely the disapproval drop would be the same whichever Templar path you chose?     So if you opt for the Templars but disband them, it probably does simply reflect his own personal disappointment but if you ally with the Templars there is something more to his disapproval.

[nightscrawl]

Here is a factoid for those of you that haven't wanted to look at the Bull/Dorian stuff (as one in the same boat, I just learned this)... as per their banter, Dorian apparently wears "silky underthings." Because of course he does. That man, I swear.

 

Just had to share that.

[trevelyan_shep]

I kind of want to see Dorian in long underwear with a butt flap. Don't ask me why. The thought has me laughing like a hyena, I swear.

Butt flap Tuesday should be a thing at Skyhold.

[Gervaise]

I dare say they gave Dorian silk under garments because it seemed the sort of thing he'd wear but actually they can have a practical application.   Many years ago I was watching a program about Genghis Khan and his Horde and it was mentioned about how they favoured silk under shirts because if struck by an arrow instead of it piercing through, the silk wraps around the end, so it gets taken into the wound with the arrow head and thus makes it easier to remove it.    So in fact Dorian is a really smart cookie using silk, even if he isn't aware of it.

[nightscrawl]

Considering how he complains about the COLD all the time, I'd say he actually needs long underwear.

I dare say they gave Dorian silk under garments because it seemed the sort of thing he'd wear but actually they can have a practical application. Many years ago I was watching a program about Genghis Khan and his Horde and it was mentioned about how they favoured silk under shirts because if struck by an arrow instead of it piercing through, the silk wraps around the end, so it gets taken into the wound with the arrow head and thus makes it easier to remove it. So in fact Dorian is a really smart cookie using silk, even if he isn't aware of it.

Apparently some Celts were known to go into battle naked. Along with the intimidation, you avoided having clothing material being shoved into a wound (leading to infection).