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[Nymeria Stark]

A couple of fanarts:

 

 

http://kataraqui.tum...st/118641339623

 

Bedhead Dorian

 

 

http://dreadwolfed.t...0/bedhead-pavus

[Melbella]

Somewhat linked to this: after watching all of the possible permutations for the amulet quest, I finally get Dorian's different responses when you ask him about the amulet.
 
If you ask him about it before going to the merchant he offers a minor explanation of what it is and as the reason for selling only offers that he needed coin on coming south; when questioned on why he wants it back he says, "Because it's mine... and because it shouldn't be passed around like candy," then goes on to reaffirm that it's HIS mess, he will figure it out, and that he doesn't want to be one of the masses asking the Inquisitor for something.
 
If you give it to him as a surprise he is pretty shocked, and now that he actually has it he confesses that he wanted to divest himself of anything reminding him of his family, that his father noticed it was gone and asked about it, and that he feels selling it was foolish and childish because he loves his country and this is a symbol that he is a part of it.
 
The first one is typical Dorian, isn't it? He is annoyed that the Inquisitor is asking him about it and basically says enough to get him to shut up and (hopefully) leave the matter alone. I would normally go with the surprise version, except that taking him to the merchant and getting "He's not my friend, he's... never mind what he is" (and Inquisitor's accompanying face!) is really too good to pass up. Which is unfortunate, because his reaction and commentary for the surprise is really great. (Damn RPGs and those choices!)

This quest popped up for me (literally) today. Last time I did the surprise route (mainly because I didn't realize you could actually talk to him about it beforehand). Now I think I will do it the other way just to see the reactions at the merchant. I plan to put it off for a while yet though. I'm trying reeeeallllyyy hard this time to not rush through all the romance content and save some for later. But putting it off is soooo harrrrd.....  

[Ashaantha]

Dorian vs Shade

 

[nightscrawl]

Bedhead Dorian
 

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http://dreadwolfed.t...0/bedhead-pavus

Yeah... I bet he has the sexiest morning after look like... ever.
 
Just thought I'd share... this is my favorite robe + crafting mat combination for him:
Darkened Samite, Highever Weave, Great Bear Leather on Enchanter Coat + Apprentice Mail Arms. I realize that a gray might seem a bit drab for our fashion-conscious mage, but I like the idea that he adds his stylish flair with the red lining... "One does want a hint of color."

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[Forsythia77]

I've done the various scenes numerous times now. In this current play I was purposely experimenting with different options to see them. I had vowed to never watch them, but I finally decided to go ahead because of various line references I've seen here and there. For example, "You are a frustrating man," was a line I had seen referenced, and I've discovered that it was as a response to the "What, no 'thank you'?" option during the amulet quest. I would never say that but it was rather amusing -- Me: I'm frustrating? Look in a mirror, buddy. And of course there is the ever-wonderful "Oh! You are glorious!" in response to "Is that all? Go ahead and use me, Dorian. Or are you all talk?" (also something I wouldn't say).

 

In this experiment I also didn't choose the investigation option to say, "Tell me what you want," because that would have made me feel like the hugest a-hole.

To this day I've never even seen a video of the option to return Fenris to Danarius. I have no inclination to see that ever.

 

 

Somewhat linked to this: after watching all of the possible permutations for the amulet quest, I finally get Dorian's different responses when you ask him about the amulet.

 

If you ask him about it before going to the merchant he offers a minor explanation of what it is and as the reason for selling only offers that he needed coin on coming south; when questioned on why he wants it back he says, "Because it's mine... and because it shouldn't be passed around like candy," then goes on to reaffirm that it's HIS mess, he will figure it out, and that he doesn't want to be one of the masses asking the Inquisitor for something.

 

If you give it to him as a surprise he is pretty shocked, and now that he actually has it he confesses that he wanted to divest himself of anything reminding him of his family, that his father noticed it was gone and asked about it, and that he feels selling it was foolish and childish because he loves his country and this is a symbol that he is a part of it.

 

The first one is typical Dorian, isn't it? He is annoyed that the Inquisitor is asking him about it and basically says enough to get him to shut up and (hopefully) leave the matter alone. I would normally go with the surprise version, except that taking him to the merchant and getting "He's not my friend, he's... never mind what he is" (and Inquisitor's accompanying face!) is really too good to pass up. Which is unfortunate, because his reaction and commentary for the surprise is really great. (Damn RPGs and those choices!)

 

In the two times I've romanced Dorian, both times I asked him about the amulet.  And both times I've gone to get it for him with him in the party.  I get why he wants to sort things out himself.  I'm this person.  I like to fix my own ish, as it were, and can see his point in how it looks with him being a Vint.  But  from my inquisitor's POV, it's also nice to realize you can't do everything on your own and admit that you need help.  It does put him in a bit of a pickle, no? No one dies or anything, but it is one of those emotional/moral quandaries that just bug you.

[Forsythia77]

@Nightscrawl,  It's funny how we all seem to have specific colors/looks for our teams.  I almost always put Dorian in crisp white over robes, with Nevarrite metal accents and Vestiment Cotton.  If not that, white with ring velvet and Serpentstone accents. 

[Nymeria Stark]

I just found this lol

 

 

 

http://lilyrutherfor...i-sketched-this

 

[nightscrawl]

*SIGH* All right sooo... I can accept some discrepancies, especially when they contain more detail than would likely be available in the game due to resource limits or appropriateness for the medium. But complete contradiction is a bit much.
 
Here is an excerpt from WoT Vol. 2 on Alexius...

In 9:38 Dragon, Gereon and Livia traveled to Val Royeaux to visit their son at the university and return with him to Minrathous for the winter holidays, as they had for many years. While crossing through southern Tevinter, their party was set upon by hurlocks. The creatures were driven off, but Livia was killed and Felix badly injured in the attack.

 

This completely contradicts what Dorian says in the game, the main issue being that Alexius was not even there which was a significant factor in his guilt over the incident. Secondarily is the fact that it was "on a journey to Hossburg," but that can be waved away in other ways.

 

This isn't an issue of Dorian withholding information out of discretion or some other reason. This is just a different course of events. These are the kinds of discrepancies that make me insane. >.<

 

Aside from that, his whole entry is interesting. And I just love the fact that he married "his longtime sweetheart." It's certainly a testament to the different goals that different families have.

[Dr. Doctor]

I just found this lol
 

 
http://lilyrutherfor...i-sketched-this

Dorian's suit AI would most likely be called FELIX.

As for lore discrepancies, Dorian was in Redcliffe when the time rifts started. If you don't help him, he remarks that it "was as if they (Alexius and Felix) never existed. The timeline might have altered itself to make the new sequence of events make sense, Dorian (and possibly the Inquisitor) are the only ones who know what happened in the original timeline.

[nightscrawl]

^ Uh... yeah, that's a bit too hand-wavy. But I appreciate the effort.

[Gervaise]

Glad to see you are finally seeing where I'm coming from on this.   There are rather too many instances of the text in WoT2 contradicting what Dorian tells you.

 

I can perfectly understand he wouldn't want to reveal his sordid past but I still think that Dorian would acknowledge a bit more of a debt to Alexius.    In game it sounds just like a normal instance of a senior mage taking an apprentice and then benefitting from his research.    Not that after Dorian had fallen out with his parents the first time, dropped out of school/college and was basically squandering his gifts in seedy bordellos, Alexius took him in, cleaned up his act, introduced him back into society and got his father off his back.

 

Then there is the bit in Redcliffe where you can say "Is there something wrong with Felix?"    Dorian's reply is that he has been sick "for months".   I'm sorry but 5-6 years is not months.   But hold on a minute, that entry you give above says that Felix was injured and his mother killed in 9:38.      But the other entry in WoT2 says that Dorian had already fallen out with Alexius over trying to cure Felix in 9:37.   And in game Alexius was still apparently quite normal and non depressed when arguing passionately for the repair of the Circle in Minrathous in 9:39.      So what the hell are they playing at?      The diary entries are all over the place.    And no, you can't say it was Alexius manipulating time because he was only able to do it other than in theory because of the Breach, that didn't occur until late 9:40, early 9:41 and which it clearly states in Hushed Whispers was a set point in time that he could not go beyond.   So he was only able to alter time between the date of the Breach and the date at which you closed it again.

 

My copy of WoT2 is due to arrive in the next couple of days and so I have been holding off saying anything else up to now until I see it for myself in print.   However, the signs are not good.    Don't get me started on how they have messed with the whole history of Andraste or the image of Shartan.

[nightscrawl]

Have some art...
 

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By auntshoe on tumblr.


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Since I still have the last post, I have to add another piece I found. Really love this one...

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By theminttu on tumblr.

[Arlee]

About Dorian saying Felix had been sick for months... I totally get him telling a lie there. I mean he's just met you, doesn't really know you from Adam and probably doesn't want to tell someone he's hoping will help him "oh yea? Felix, who just fell on you and stuff. Yea, he has the blight. Had it for quite awhile and it's pretty advanced". Pretty sure most people in Thedas wouldn't react well to that. I feel like the fact he later comes clean about it all when he joins the inquisition supports that as well.

 

Of course the book completely contradicts that as well is a whole other thing. Makes me feel like whoever their lore historian is, dropped the ball a bit.

[Gervaise]

No, all he had to do is say that Felix has been sick for some time now, or even years, without going into detail.     The fact is that the months thing would have fitted perfectly okay with the story that Dorian gives you, because it is implied that it only happened a fairly short time before.    Also Dorian's father saying if they had known it would "drive him into the arms of the Inquisition" is a bit odd if his actions actually took place 3 years previously and Dorian has been dossing around Tevinter ever since.   Hardly driving him anywhere.  

 

Still, I have managed to square the circle on the conflicting information by simply ignoring the dates.   Do that and it fits together quite nicely.   The history given about Alexius also explains why the Venatori might have interested him anyway without the added inducement of being able to help Felix, bearing in mind that the Venatori were led by Calpurnia.   Her ideas and Alexius' ideas don't seem so far removed from one another.    Her history confirms that she seems to have laudable aims, wrapped up in ideas of Tevinter supremacy.    The strange thing is, if you take Corypheus out of the equation, you can almost want to support them.   Without Cory there is no corruption of the Grey Wardens, no demon army and no Breach.     Take them away and I'm hardly shedding tears over the chaos in Orlais or the undermining of the Chantry.   Her final speech that she wants Tevinter to be "a crafter of wonders and a beacon of hope against the savage Qunari" on top of her desire (stated in the history) that she wanted to uplift the slaves to true citizens of the Imperium makes her definitely seem a "grey" enemy.    I wonder if it was really her to whom Solas gave his orb?

 

I was wondering what others made of the picture of Dorian in WoT2.   Doesn't exactly do him justice does it?    Makes him look about 10 years older and he's got a ring through his nose.    So is that how he's going to look if he makes a return in the next game?    Or was it simply that he received a major make over before DAI?   Seem to recall that looks like the artwork for him a few years back, so it would seem the latter is more likely.

[nightscrawl]

Makes me feel like whoever their lore historian is, dropped the ball a bit.

I kind of assumed that David Gaider wrote Dorian's entry as well as those associated with him. I don't care so much about wonky time things, but specific facts like Alexius being there or not for the attack, when that was mentioned as a major component of his guilt -- "He was convinced that if he'd been there he would have been able to save them. The guilt tore him up" -- is rather bothersome.

I think it depends on when the bulk of this content was written: before, after, or during the major part of character and plot development. I am willing to give some leeway, but I think that certain things should be reviewed before going into a book like this to ensure that they don't outright contradict game information.

 

I was wondering what others made of the picture of Dorian in WoT2.   Doesn't exactly do him justice does it?    Makes him look about 10 years older and he's got a ring through his nose.    So is that how he's going to look if he makes a return in the next game?    Or was it simply that he received a major make over before DAI?   Seem to recall that looks like the artwork for him a few years back, so it would seem the latter is more likely.

I'm getting my copy today so I haven't seen it yet, but I wouldn't read too much into it beyond them wanting to have a different image of Dorian other than the ones many of us have already seen. They did say they created a lot of new art for this book, and this probably goes along with that. To infer anything else is premature, I think.

[Gervaise]

The art seems a mixture of new and old, some of which is seen in game and some which appeared on the official site.   Some of the images are recognisably who they are meant to represent, even if slightly different from how they appeared in game.   Dorian seems very different and to my mind too European.   The clothes are right but the face, hair and tone of skin are wrong.   He doesn't look exotic enough.   Think of all the fan art that has been posted here; lots of different styles but all recognisably Dorian, no matter what clothes he is wearing, or not at all.   I remember that wonderful poster/wallpaper they did of Dorian, which I still have on file.   To my mind, they should have used that.

 

Mind you, some of the other images are rather strange - the one for Morrigan in the Hero of Ferelden bit doesn't look anything like her either.  So obviously a bit of artistic licence is in play with some of the characters.  

[Joe25]

"A Hundred Ways to Shame Your Ancestors" by Dorian Pavus. Now with an extra twenty pages of diagrams!

I had no idea he could bend like that.

[Dr. Doctor]

I was wondering what others made of the picture of Dorian in WoT2.   Doesn't exactly do him justice does it?    Makes him look about 10 years older and he's got a ring through his nose.    So is that how he's going to look if he makes a return in the next game?    Or was it simply that he received a major make over before DAI?   Seem to recall that looks like the artwork for him a few years back, so it would seem the latter is more likely.

[Fredward]

So Dorian's thirty at the start of Inquisition yeah? And the story takes place over +- 3 years right? Do 33 year old's start getting gray hairs? Cuz imagine Dorian seeing his first gray hair in his moustahce one morning.

[nightscrawl]

I found another discrepancy... In the game it is mentioned that Dorian was in the Circle in Vyrantium. Now from WoT Vol. 2 we know that he "went from one Circle to the next" before finally ending up at the Minrathous Circle. Vyrantium could certainly be included in that, BUT if a special mention is given to a particular Circle in the game, one would think that it would have more significance than one of his troublesome hurdles. Since (according to WoT Vol. 2) he became a ranking enchanter in the Minrathous Circle, that is the Circle that should be referenced in the game.

 

That said, I do have a theory for this one -- just a theory!! That is that DG wrote Dorian's character and the basic background information to go along with that. But when it came time to sit down and write a more detailed account for WoT (for Dorian and those associated with him) he realized that there were problems with some of the existing facts that might not makes sense with Dorian's history. For example, if Alexius was his mentor/patron, and Alexius was in the Minrathous Circle, it only makes sense for Dorian to be part of that Circle as well.

 

 

Btw... I do apologize to those of you who are annoyed by my continued poking at WoT Vol. 2 in this way. I had similar problems with some of the discrepancies in Vol. 1 (some of which were addressed by their posted erratum). Detail-obsessed fans are something that they should very well aware of, particularly since their studio, and some of the DA team, were involved with Star Wars games and had to deal with those fans. So certain material should be checked against other known instances and references to the material to see if they are the same.

 

 

So Dorian's thirty at the start of Inquisition yeah? And the story takes place over +- 3 years right? Do 33 year old's start getting gray hairs? Cuz imagine Dorian seeing his first gray hair in his moustahce one morning.

 

As far as I know the devs have not confirmed the timeline of the game. I'd appreciate a source if you have one.

 

To your question, it just depends on the individual. I started getting gray hair at 28.

 

Although I don't think this should be used -- since there isn't a gray/silver/salt and pepper hair in the DAI CC -- Halward still has black hair; he could dye it, who knows really. It does make me wonder whether Dorian would dye his hair or not. I know he's (somewhat) vain, but I think there is a different mentality when it comes to gray hair than just the normal looking-groomed mentality because of what it represents. We don't know how Dorian would feel/feels about getting older, or looking older, and I think this would influence that decision.

[Dr. Doctor]

So Dorian's thirty at the start of Inquisition yeah? And the story takes place over +- 3 years right? Do 33 year old's start getting gray hairs? Cuz imagine Dorian seeing his first gray hair in his moustahce one morning.

"You age like a fine wine"

"Platitudes don't help."

"You age better than most people who consume more wine than the Imperial Court?"

"Bit better, at least I can work the smug superiority angle."

[Arlee]

I kind of assumed that David Gaider wrote Dorian's entry as well as those associated with him. I don't care so much about wonky time things, but specific facts like Alexius being there or not for the attack, when that was mentioned as a major component of his guilt -- "He was convinced that if he'd been there he would have been able to save them. The guilt tore him up" -- is rather bothersome.

I think it depends on when the bulk of this content was written: before, after, or during the major part of character and plot development. I am willing to give some leeway, but I think that certain things should be reviewed before going into a book like this to ensure that they don't outright contradict game information.

 

He probably did, but the things is with huge projects like this even writers can have trouble keeping all the particulars like that in order because they are generally much more focused on things we don't know about when we become aware of this stuff. Because of this, it isn't unusual for game companies to have an editor who specifically looks for these sorts of inconsistencies so they can get things fixed or addressed before things get published.

[Gervaise]

Some of the discrepancy could be accounted for by the fact that in game we are being given information via Leliana and what she has been able to glean from her contacts and from the companions themselves.  Now we know she failed to check out Solas' story sufficiently and you could also say the same for Blackwall, since she actually had the codex about Blackwall during the last Blight which appeared to contradict his own version of where he was.    So either she asked Dorian and he mentioned Vyrantium because he knew she wouldn't be able to dig up much on him from there or she just assumed that his family was associated with that Circle.   I know it isn't brilliant but it does at least allow for why we seem to have been told a different story, or less than the full story, in game.

 

The entries don't match up, even in WoT2 itself and I think that is something we will just have to accept.    The entry of Alexius says he took on Dorian as his apprentice, who was from the Minrathous Circle, but Dorian's entry says that he had been sent not to the Circle in Minrathous but to the Order of Argent, a smaller school, although I suppose it could have been attached to the Minrathous Circle  At the time Alexius took him in technically he wasn't in any Circle at all but had dropped out of school and been playing truant for 3 months.    Then Alexius personally tutored him at his estate before sponsoring him to the rank of Enchanter at the Minrathous Circle.  

 

However, the way the amendments to WoT1 are handled would suggest that a similar ploy will be adopted should people complain too much.   Personally I feel that the editor should have picked up on them but may be the discrepancies are deliberate to try and make the book seem like a collection of histories and biographies from different sources.    So the person (in Thedas) who wrote the history of Alexius got their information from one source, whilst the person writing about Dorian (in Thedas) had a more reliable one.

 

I found it interesting that Felix had little magical ability but that his parents clearly loved him regardless, his mother actually assassinating Alexius' father when he tried to have Felix killed for being "barely more than a Soporati.   So it is easy to see why Alexius would sympathise with Dorian and his predicament.    I rather think that Alexius actually saw Dorian as a sort of adopted son, not a replacement for Felix but someone he could devote time to on the magical front.  Strangely enough, though, the entry on Alexius and his relationship to Dorian as a normal master and apprentice one, having recruited him from the Minrathous Circle, more closely matches his own description, rather than the one for Dorian where clearly it seems to go beyond the usual arrangement and had very unorthodox beginnings.    The timescale in the Alexius entry, with the darkspawn attack occurring in 9:38 also more closely matches the sort of timescale hinted at in the game.     So, although this is not conclusive, I think the history of Dorian contained in Alexius' biography seems to be the one used by the writer in game but for some reason this was expanded upon for the book when writing about Dorian himself and the discrepancies increased as a result.

[Nymeria Stark]

Sooo... I finally learned how to make gifs   Yesterday I made my first gif set comparing Dorian and Oberyn fighting styles (because I'm obsessed xD) and they both look pretty awesome:

 

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Also it's rebloggable on my tumblr

 

[Fredward]

Sooo... I finally learned how to make gifs   Yesterday I made my first gif set comparing Dorian and Oberyn fighting styles (because I'm obsessed xD) and they both look pretty awesome:

 

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Also it's rebloggable on my tumblr

 

 

Glad to see you didn't find something in game that matched how that fight ended.

 

As far as I know the devs have not confirmed the timeline of the game. I'd appreciate a source if you have one.

 

I tried finding it but couldn't. There was a thread somewhere on the forum discussing how long Inquisition took since apparently Josephine says something that implies it takes about a year but it can't since the travel time alone takes longer than that and someone had a tweet that showed DG tentatively saying the plot of Inquisition takes place over about three years.