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[Gervaise]

Well that's something I didn't necessarily want to hear!  

As you know, I've been doing a romance run through taking Cole everywhere to try and get his conversations.   We've had most of the general ones between Cole and Dorian but up to now nothing concerning his past, so I was beginning to think that was something you only get if you're not in a relationship.   Then we're wandering in the Emerald Graves and we get the conversation where Cole mentions Rilienus.    Now may be I'm being a bit sensitive here but Cole has just said it has to be a hurt or some sort of hurt to be healed; in other words something that is still troubling Dorian and apparently that is what is uppermost in his mind.    So we've been in our relationship for quite a while now, danced at the ball, been to the Fade, Dorian got all upset about losing me, spent lots of time together, etc, so you'd think I could feel fairly confident that Dorian is feeling a lot happier now and not thinking about some guy in his past, with regret/sadness.      If I don't get the other conversation about how he is happier I think I shall feel rather insecure and disappointed to say the least.  If I don't get the conversation and Dorian starts talking about returning to Tevinter, I think I'm pretty justified in wondering if saving his country is just an excuse to get back to the guy who would have apparently said "yes".     As it is my Enavir may be feigning a headache tonight and going to bed early, alone.    (Just kidding).   

Sometimes the conversations come at just the right time, sometimes they don't!

 

Also curious about his reaction to finding out about Fairbanks.   Wasn't sure what to do about that, so went to the Wiki.    Apparently if you drop poor old Fairbanks in it by giving the information to Clara, Dorian approves.    However, if you talk to Fairbanks, which I did, he says he doesn't want to have anything to do with nobility and gives as his reason, among others, the fact that his grandfather disowned his mother and killed her true love all for appearances sake.    You'd think that would strike a chord with Dorian and he would approve if you didn't force Fairbanks back into the Game.     I'm assuming he approves because Fairbanks is getting his birth right back in spite of his grandfather's actions.    If I go with this option, then I think I'll go with Cullen's suggestion as that apparently seems to lead to the best result for Fairbanks and his people.   This is the first time I've had this dilemma since I've missed out on this quest on previous runs, either through not talking to Clara in time or the game bugging out on me.

 

Odd thing is, I can't seem to find any mention of Fairbanks in WoT2 but he is mentioned in the Keep, which is how I knew I had missed out on the quest before.   I wonder if that means he is going to feature in the next game, as a companion may be?

[Moirin]

I have a question for this thread if you all could help me out. So I am currently on my character who is in a Dorian romance, it's unfinished mostly because I am waiting for JOH to be available to me before I play the Arbor Wilds on this character, anyway, my question is when exactly does Dorian start calling you amatus?

 

I don't think I've gotten it yet and I'm wondering if it's because I triggered his romance lock-in scene a bit late (I had no idea how to trigger it so I didn't actually trigger it until all I had left was the Arbor Wilds). So if anyone has some insight for me it would help.

[Joe25]

[nightscrawl]

So the DA sub on Reddit did a pretty in depth survey of their demographics and not only did Dorian win most popular companion for DAI, but more interestingly, more men playing male inquisitiors were romancing him than men playing male inquisitiors were romancing Josephine. And only about 25% of the male Redditors identified as non-heterosexual, so there's a pretty significant amount of straight men romancing him just because he's so awesome.
 
http://www.reddit.co...nage_subreddit/

 
Fun stuff! I find it interesting that they compared it to the Josephine romance, particularly since that doesn't involve sex and is commonly referred to as the "Disney romance." I'm thinking that a closer comparison might be with Cassandra? She likes her girly romance stuff too, but it seems to me that it might be closer to the Dorian one in terms of atmosphere, particularly since she has the chance to leave at the end. (I could be wrong though, I've never done the Cassandra romance. It just seemed an odd choice to use Josephine.)

 

I have a question for this thread if you all could help me out. So I am currently on my character who is in a Dorian romance, it's unfinished mostly because I am waiting for JOH to be available to me before I play the Arbor Wilds on this character, anyway, my question is when exactly does Dorian start calling you amatus?
 
I don't think I've gotten it yet and I'm wondering if it's because I triggered his romance lock-in scene a bit late (I had no idea how to trigger it so I didn't actually trigger it until all I had left was the Arbor Wilds). So if anyone has some insight for me it would help.

As far as I know, he uses 'amatus' when you ask for a kiss after the romance lock-in. He also uses it a few times in cutscene conversations: during the 'about the future' dialog (dependent on dialog choice), during the post-Mythal dialog, and during the epilog when you are heading to your quarters after the party. There is also a post-battle banter that has a chance to trigger where he uses it, but I've only gotten that to fire once (much to my sadness, although it was in the fade, so huge bonus there.)

[nightscrawl]

Well that's something I didn't necessarily want to hear!  
As you know, I've been doing a romance run through taking Cole everywhere to try and get his conversations. We've had most of the general ones between Cole and Dorian but up to now nothing concerning his past, so I was beginning to think that was something you only get if you're not in a relationship. Then we're wandering in the Emerald Graves and we get the conversation where Cole mentions Rilienus. Now may be I'm being a bit sensitive here but Cole has just said it has to be a hurt or some sort of hurt to be healed; in other words something that is still troubling Dorian and apparently that is what is uppermost in his mind. So we've been in our relationship for quite a while now, danced at the ball, been to the Fade, Dorian got all upset about losing me, spent lots of time together, etc, so you'd think I could feel fairly confident that Dorian is feeling a lot happier now and not thinking about some guy in his past, with regret/sadness.

Not long ago the thread discussed this particular banter and its implications. It was mentioned that it is not a romance banter, nor is the trigger connected to the romance. You get this banter regardless as part of the Dorian/Cole banter progression. The timing of the banter is irrelevant and is also not connected to anything. You happened to get it fairly deep into the romance, but since I do a lot of exploring I typically get it early on (I've already gotten it in my current play and haven't even done Adamant yet).

You are being overly sensitive, yes... and kinda selfish. Dorian is thirty-years-old. He's been around. It would be naive to think that there might not be at least one other man in his past that he had some sort of feelings for. What those feelings might have been are unknown, as the banter was obviously left purposefully vague and could indicate any number of things.
 
Perhaps this happened when Dorian was much younger and had a massive crush on Rilienus but never approached him due to Tevinter social issues or being unable to tell where his sexual interest lay (I hate to use the term 'gaydar,' but it is sometimes descriptive). Perhaps he and Ril did have a sexual relationship, Dorian wanted to take it further, but never mentioned it due to Tevinter issues and he is just now learning that things could have been (somewhat) different. Considering the path of Dorian's life, the latter would be pretty significant and I'll venture to say he might not have been so emotionally f'd up if they had been together for a while (which would be a GOOD thing for Dorian).
 
However, regardless of how either man felt, Dorian knows that it would have been difficult to have that sort of relationship in Tevinter, which also contributes to the hurt (that Cole senses) on both sides. This does NOT diminish the happiness that Dorian has with the Inquisitor. People are complex and capable of feeling more than one thing at one time.
 
Also, just because it is a lingering hurt that Dorian has does not mean that it is "uppermost in his mind." Do you constantly think about the various hurts in your life? Most people do not, unless they are reminded by some outside source, or a friendly spirit of compassion tries to help by dredging it up (though to be fair, Dorian did ask).

 

If I don't get the other conversation about how he is happier I think I shall feel rather insecure and disappointed to say the least.

Well, good luck getting that banter to fire. I've never been able to hear it in my own plays.

 

If I don't get the conversation and Dorian starts talking about returning to Tevinter, I think I'm pretty justified in wondering if saving his country is just an excuse to get back to the guy who would have apparently said "yes".

No, you're really not. This is absurd. It's a banter that has no fixed trigger and is not dependent on anything except Dorian and Cole being in the same party. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your character or his relationship with Dorian.

[Master Warder Z_]

And she dropped.Her.Pen. Bravo Inquisitor.

[Moirin]

 
As far as I know, he uses 'amatus' when you ask for a kiss after the romance lock-in. He also uses it a few times in cutscene conversations: during the 'about the future' dialog (dependent on dialog choice), during the post-Mythal dialog, and during the epilog when you are heading to your quarters after the party. There is also a post-battle banter that has a chance to trigger where he uses it, but I've only gotten that to fire once (much to my sadness, although it was in the fade, so huge bonus there.)

 

Ah, that explains a lot actually, as I haven't gotten to most those scenes yet. Thank you so much!

[Melbella]

Couple of screenies from my current Dorian-mance. They just got back from the ball but still have Adamant (and several zones) to do yet.

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[(Disgusted noise.)]

 
Fun stuff! I find it interesting that they compared it to the Josephine romance, particularly since that doesn't involve sex and is commonly referred to as the "Disney romance." I'm thinking that a closer comparison might be with Cassandra? She likes her girly romance stuff too, but it seems to me that it might be closer to the Dorian one in terms of atmosphere, particularly since she has the chance to leave at the end. (I could be wrong though, I've never done the Cassandra romance. It just seemed an odd choice to use Josephine.)

 

They didn't only compare him to Josephine. They had graphs for male Inquisitor romance choices which were separated into men playing a male character and women playing a male character. Men preferred Cassandra, Dorian, Josephine, Bull in that order and women preferred Dorian, Cassandra, Bull, Josephine in that order. I just thought it was notable that so many men were choosing Dorian since we tend to assume that the standard player is a straight guy playing a self-insert characters, yet Dorian manages to beat out one of only two love interests for a straight guy character.

[Giggles_Manically]

They didn't only compare him to Josephine. They had graphs for male Inquisitor romance choices which were separated into men playing a male character and women playing a male character. Men preferred Cassandra, Dorian, Josephine, Bull in that order and women preferred Dorian, Cassandra, Bull, Josephine in that order. I just thought it was notable that so many men were choosing Dorian since we tend to assume that the standard player is a straight guy playing a self-insert characters, yet Dorian manages to beat out one of only two love interests for a straight guy character.

That is because Dorian is awesome.

[Dr. Doctor]

So the DA sub on Reddit did a pretty in depth survey of their demographics and not only did Dorian win most popular companion for DAI, but more interestingly, more men playing male inquisitiors were romancing him than men playing male inquisitiors were romancing Josephine. And only about 25% of the male Redditors identified as non-heterosexual, so there's a pretty significant amount of straight men romancing him just because he's so awesome.
 
http://www.reddit.co...nage_subreddit/

I'm a straight guy and I romanced Dorian because his character really clicked with me. Gender isn't really an issue since its an RPG, the idea is to become a character. I do wish we could get friend hugs. Romance or not the poor guy could use one.

[Joe25]

I'm a straight guy and I romanced Dorian because his character really clicked with me. Gender isn't really an issue since its an RPG, the idea is to become a character. I do wish we could get friend hugs. Romance or not the poor guy could use one.

Oh to be hugged by that mustache...I mean man.

 

I agree gender in a RPG only matters to the character the player is rolling, not the players personal standings. The DAI team did a good job to make the Inquisitor's style and personality unisex. If the players wants a woman to romance Dorian, or a man to romance Sera all they have to do is spend the right amount of time in character creator. Yes, the end result is Kem (I love him), but the player gets their desired physical affect. The point of a role playing game at the end of the day is to play character that may or may not be anything like the person holding the controller.    

[nightscrawl]

Couple of screenies from my current Dorian-mance. They just got back from the ball but still have Adamant (and several zones) to do yet.

It's really amazing how his grey eyes seem to absorb the ambient color and change slightly in most scenes. So dreamy...
 
 

Gender isn't really an issue since its an RPG, the idea is to become a character.

Eh I think different people RP in different ways, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm a straight woman, and although I did make a guy (who is now my canon and the only one I've played multiple times) specifically to romance Dorian, I do tend to play characters with most of my same values and such. I would never be able to play a completely evil or an a-hole character simply for the sake of roleplay.

 

Since DAO I've found myself getting more into the RP aspect of the character and gotten more into creating background info and all of that. I never did that with DAO, and oddly I think one of the main reasons is because the silent protag allowed me to play more as myself, whereas with a voiced protag I can more easily imagine another, different person that I am playing the role of. So I suppose I have the opposite experience of many players in this regard. Although I did it somewhat with DA2, DAI is the first game where I've really made an effort to create a fully fleshed out character (even if he does have many of my same values and behaviors).

 

IMO it is still roleplay even if you recreate yourself in the game because the circumstances are such that we would never experience them in real life, so it is still imagining how you would react in a given scenario.

I (the player) happen to really like Dorian's appearance, personality, history, and so on, and this is a factor in my choosing to romance him (as well as any other romance option). I didn't make my male Inquisitor and then decide to romance him based on my Inquisitor's preference, I romanced him based on my own preference. In that vein, I really have no interest in romancing either Solas, Blackwall, or Iron Bull. The gender of my character doesn't matter (as long as I'm able to create one I like looking at -- I never could make a decent guy in DAO). I'll say that Cassandra is the first woman in the entire DA series that I've had a real interest in romancing, but that means I'll have to give up a Dorian romance for that play (/sadface). I'd also take DAI Leliana over DAO Leliana, but that's not an option.

[nightscrawl]

I know this isn't Dorian related, but I want to ask you wonderful peeps anyway...
 
Do any of y'all use mods? How have you worked out with the patching issues? I modded DAO and DA2 extensively and even did quite a bit of texture work for DA2 (see forum sig), but I haven't jumped in with DAI yet as I'm concerned about breaking my saves and such. I have auto-patching disabled, but I'd much prefer to just disable the mods and continue to play after a new patch than just refrain from patching altogether because I have some necessary mod.
 
Some of the leather, fabric, and finery replacements (!!) are reeeeeally tempting to use, but I'm willing to ignore the temptation if I'll live to regret it.

 
Have a hot Dorian .gif to make up for the digression...

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via danaduchy on tumblr.

[shinynotshiny]

^I downloaded the latest mod manager and everything works fine so far??? Aside from DAO and DA2, I don't have much experience with mods. I'd wait for more responses before jumping in.

 

^^About RPing and choosing romances based on your own preferences: I tend to romance everyone at some point or another to get the most out of the game. My last playthrough was a Lavellan who romanced Solas. I find him pretty boring, but I wanted a romance that made "sense" with her, so Solas it was. The only romances I've decided to stay away from are Merrill and Blackwall.

[Gervaise]

Nightscrawl, I think you are missing the point about this line from Cole about Rilienus.   Dorian actually asks if the comments are random and Cole replies that they are not.   They have to be a specific hurt or hurt that needs healing.    I know it isn't romance related.   You get a similar sort of comment about Ragylan with Cassandra.   The thing is that if you are in a relationship with her, then she actually does bring up the subject.   If I recall right she doesn't actually mention him by name but you'd have to be pretty dense not to connect the name with the only guy she ever had a relationship with prior to the Quizzy and who was blown up at the Conclave.   So naturally it makes sense that is a lingering hurt and of course she then tells you it has made her that much more determined that Cory is not going to take you from her as well.

 

Now Cole makes the comment about Rilienus almost as an illustration of what he means.   Naturally you would think that the most open wound in Dorian's mind that needs healing is the one with his father and whilst I have yet to get any of these, they are meant to occur at some point.   Yet the first hurt that Cole hits upon is Rilienus and it is not just a name but a very vivid memory, so clearly this person made a deep impression on Dorian and there is some deep hurt or longing connected with it.   To my mind it is odd that it isn't brought up at some point because Cole's remarks are never meant to be just random memories.   Eventually they do make sense.   Stuff he says about Solas or Blackwall, stuff he says about Leliana; subsequent events or conversations join the dots, so to speak, but this one connected with Dorian does not.   It is not enough to say, oh but we assume Dorian has a past.   No, this is something more and I feel it is something that was either lost in editing or the writer "forgot" to address.   My personal feeling is that it should have been raised by Dorian to his romance.   It is not something that a friend would be that bothered about, apart from perhaps wanting to help Dorian, but if he is in a relationship with the Quizzy then he might even think it odd if you weren't troubled by Cole's words and that it indicated you didn't care enough.  

 

Anyway, in the absence of any explanation in game, and I assume that no one has asked DG on Twitter or he dismissed it as not important, I have come up with a theory of my own that actually does make sense.    Rilienus was the name of the son of the vulgati, Lord Abrexis, who Dorian was with when his father's retainers so rudely and violently intruded into the estate, kidnapping him and hauling him off back to Quarinus.   Apart from his father's planned ritual, that would be the thing uppermost in his memories as a highly embarrassing and distressing incident that he had yet to recover from.    As for the assurance that Rilienus would have said "Yes" that could have referred to the offer of a relationship that Dorian felt he could never pursue after the way his father had behaved or simply that Dorian wondered if Rilienus could ever have forgiven him for what occurred.    

 

So that is what I'm running with as having been the substance of the conversation that occurred between Dorian and Enavir last night in their tent.   I firmly believe that relationships are stronger for not letting things fester but actually talking things out.   After all if all their relationship consisted of was sex and superficial time spent drinking or critiquing soldier's uniforms it is rather shallow.    Anyway one of the best parts of having a small emotional crisis and minor lover's tiff is that the making up part is so enjoyable!   Back on the road again tonight with our bond stronger than ever.      Cole will be so pleased.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Oh to be hugged by that mustache...I mean man.

 

I agree gender in a RPG only matters to the character the player is rolling, not the players personal standings. The DAI team did a good job to make the Inquisitor's style and personality unisex. If the players wants a woman to romance Dorian, or a man to romance Sera all they have to do is spend the right amount of time in character creator. Yes, the end result is Kem (I love him), but the player gets their desired physical affect. The point of a role playing game at the end of the day is to play character that may or may not be anything like the person holding the controller.    

 

Yeah I romanced Cullen with what I consider to be a trans man Inquisitor, like Krem, and I'll probably do the same thing for Blackwall eventually.

[Joe25]

Yeah I romanced Cullen with what I consider to be a trans man Inquisitor, like Krem, and I'll probably do the same thing for Blackwall eventually.

I don't know why, but this just gave me a great idea for my next Inquisitor. Great, now I can't the image of Cullen getting an eye full out of my head.

[nightscrawl]

Nightscrawl, I think you are missing the point about this line from Cole about Rilienus.   Dorian actually asks if the comments are random and Cole replies that they are not.   They have to be a specific hurt or hurt that needs healing.

No, I'm not missing the point. I know Dorian has some lingering hurt over it. My point is that it doesn't matter for your relationship. You basically accused Dorian of carrying a torch for this guy to the point that he is lying about his primary reason for returning to Tevinter, which also can carry over into believing that he is just using you. You really think Dorian is capable of that?

 

Even if he was madly in love with Rilienus, he is allowed to move on and attempt to find happiness with someone else. That someone happens to be the Inquisitor. He wants to be with the Inquisitor. Pretty much everything he ever says during the romance indicates this, including the level of negative reaction if you pick the other two post-sex options. Even in the post-Mythal dialog he says, "... it would give me no pleasure to leave your side" You think he is just making all that up?

It is a single banter with very little content and context and you are blowing it way out of proportion.

 

I guess the reason I keep responding to these posts of yours is that I really don't understand what you want from Dorian. I think you are (1) asking too much of him as a person, and (2) expecting too much in terms of reactivity from a video game that is, by necessity, limited in scope.

 

... I assume that no one has asked DG on Twitter or he dismissed it as not important...

I've seen people ask about it. Someone even asked regarding your specific theory. He didn't respond. Rather than think it is unimportant (after all, something is bound to be important to someone somewhere), he probably either thinks that we don't really need to know (which we don't, we simply want to know), or that Dorian deserves to have some privacy (which he does).

You can come up with any theory you want that will make you feel better about it. But the fact remains that we know next to nothing about Rilienus, Dorian's feelings about the man (other than he has some), and what Cole's remarks actually mean.

 

You seem to think that Dorian has to share every single aspect of himself with you, or that it is a requirement, or a way for him to show his love. Well he doesn't, and given the type of WoT information revealed, I rather doubt that will ever be the case.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

No, I'm not missing the point. I know Dorian has some lingering hurt over it. My point is that it doesn't matter for your relationship. You basically accused Dorian of carrying a torch for this guy to the point that he is lying about his primary reason for returning to Tevinter, which also can carry over into believing that he is just using you. You really think Dorian is capable of that?

 

Even if he was madly in love with Rilienus, he is allowed to move on and attempt to find happiness with someone else. That someone happens to be the Inquisitor. He wants to be with the Inquisitor. Pretty much everything he ever says during the romance indicates this, including the level of negative reaction if you pick the other two post-sex options. Even in the post-Mythal dialog he says, "... it would give me no pleasure to leave your side" You think he is just making all that up?

It is a single banter with very little content and context and you are blowing it way out of proportion.

 

I guess the reason I keep responding to these posts of yours is that I really don't understand what you want from Dorian. I think you are (1) asking too much of him as a person, and (2) expecting too much in terms of reactivity from a video game that is, by necessity, limited in scope.

 

I've seen people ask about it. Someone even asked regarding your specific theory. He didn't respond. Rather than think it is unimportant (after all, something is bound to be important to someone somewhere), he probably either thinks that we don't really need to know (which we don't, we simply want to know), or that Dorian deserves to have some privacy (which he does).

You can come up with any theory you want that will make you feel better about it. But the fact remains that we know next to nothing about Rilienus, Dorian's feelings about the man (other than he has some), and what Cole's remarks actually mean.

 

You seem to think that Dorian has to share every single aspect of himself with you, or that it is a requirement, or a way for him to show his love. Well he doesn't, and given the type of WoT information revealed, I rather doubt that will ever be the case.

 

You're a brave soul for not only reading those but also replying to them.

[Melbella]

No, I'm not missing the point. I know Dorian has some lingering hurt over it. My point is that it doesn't matter for your relationship. You basically accused Dorian of carrying a torch for this guy to the point that he is lying about his primary reason for returning to Tevinter, which also can carry over into believing that he is just using you. You really think Dorian is capable of that?
 
Even if he was madly in love with Rilienus, he is allowed to move on and attempt to find happiness with someone else. That someone happens to be the Inquisitor. He wants to be with the Inquisitor. Pretty much everything he ever says during the romance indicates this, including the level of negative reaction if you pick the other two post-sex options. Even in the post-Mythal dialog he says, "... it would give me no pleasure to leave your side" You think he is just making all that up?

It is a single banter with very little content and context and you are blowing it way out of proportion.
 
I guess the reason I keep responding to these posts of yours is that I really don't understand what you want from Dorian. I think you are (1) asking too much of him as a person, and (2) expecting too much in terms of reactivity from a video game that is, by necessity, limited in scope.

 

I've seen people ask about it. Someone even asked regarding your specific theory. He didn't respond. Rather than think it is unimportant (after all, something is bound to be important to someone somewhere), he probably either thinks that we don't really need to know (which we don't, we simply want to know), or that Dorian deserves to have some privacy (which he does).

You can come up with any theory you want that will make you feel better about it. But the fact remains that we know next to nothing about Rilienus, Dorian's feelings about the man (other than he has some), and what Cole's remarks actually mean.
 
You seem to think that Dorian has to share every single aspect of himself with you, or that it is a requirement, or a way for him to show his love. Well he doesn't, and given the type of WoT information revealed, I rather doubt that will ever be the case.

It's also important to point out how very broken the banter system is in this game. There are tons of lines I've never heard even after taking Dorian with me everywhere in my last 3 games. The fact this particular one fired late is almost 100% likely to be a game issue, not a relationship issue. IMO.  
 

[Arlee]

No, I'm not missing the point. I know Dorian has some lingering hurt over it. My point is that it doesn't matter for your relationship. You basically accused Dorian of carrying a torch for this guy to the point that he is lying about his primary reason for returning to Tevinter, which also can carry over into believing that he is just using you. You really think Dorian is capable of that?

 

Even if he was madly in love with Rilienus, he is allowed to move on and attempt to find happiness with someone else. That someone happens to be the Inquisitor. He wants to be with the Inquisitor. Pretty much everything he ever says during the romance indicates this, including the level of negative reaction if you pick the other two post-sex options. Even in the post-Mythal dialog he says, "... it would give me no pleasure to leave your side" You think he is just making all that up?

It is a single banter with very little content and context and you are blowing it way out of proportion.

 

I guess the reason I keep responding to these posts of yours is that I really don't understand what you want from Dorian. I think you are (1) asking too much of him as a person, and (2) expecting too much in terms of reactivity from a video game that is, by necessity, limited in scope.

 

I've seen people ask about it. Someone even asked regarding your specific theory. He didn't respond. Rather than think it is unimportant (after all, something is bound to be important to someone somewhere), he probably either thinks that we don't really need to know (which we don't, we simply want to know), or that Dorian deserves to have some privacy (which he does).

You can come up with any theory you want that will make you feel better about it. But the fact remains that we know next to nothing about Rilienus, Dorian's feelings about the man (other than he has some), and what Cole's remarks actually mean.

 

You seem to think that Dorian has to share every single aspect of himself with you, or that it is a requirement, or a way for him to show his love. Well he doesn't, and given the type of WoT information revealed, I rather doubt that will ever be the case.

 

I think Nightscrawl covered the main points really well but I just wanted to add on to this. Just because a person is currently happy and wouldn't actually wish things to be different, doesn't mean they don't carry past hurts or sadness or what ifs around with them; and it doesn't diminish the current relationship at all. It's just a fact of life our past experiences all have an affect on us and do continue to affect us regardless of being aware of it or not.

 

With Dorian specifically if he's actually never once considered it was possible to actually have a real relationship with another male and he had actually really cared about Rilienus but never asked for more, it would make loads of sense since he's now actually in a real relationship to wonder what if about that. And it wouldn't be weird at all to have sadness about it. But having those feelings is a FAR cry from wanting to run off and pursue that again. Also, I haven't seen anything from Dorian which would indicate to me he's a liar. I think if he did want to go back and see if Rilienus did still feel the same he would tell the Inquisitor about it.

[Gervaise]

I'm sorry if everyone is so offended when I simply voice different reactions that someone could have and try and understand why it has been put in the game.   What was the necessity of including that line?    In a lot of ways, I agree, it is irrelevant.   Yet, given the way Cole introduces it and the fact it seems to have no bearing on anything else that you know in game about Dorian, why is it there?

 

Everyone seems angry with me for having an opinion.    The thing I keep coming back to is that even after hauling Cole around with me continuously, I still have never got all that dialogue that gives a greater insight into what is going on with Dorian.    I've never got those lines about how he is unlearning how not to hope for more.   Or how he was afraid you wouldn't want him after sex.    All I get, after thinking that we're doing fine together is a line that suggests he is still thinking about some other man.      Are you honestly saying that if this happened to you in a relationship, you wouldn't at least wonder what it meant?

 

The real gripe for me is all the inconsistencies between the game and WoT2, which together with loose ends like this, make me wonder just how much care was taken because actually it does make Dorian seem less than honest.     Yet I know that he is a warm hearted and genuine person.   That's what I love about him.    I just wonder if it is deliberate because they want you to reject him.    It seems to me that they make it far easier for you to pick the wrong dialogue choice than the "right" one to get him to stay, far easier to be mocked when you express a desire to stay together, and far easier to get a Cole dialogue that causes you to doubt his commitment than one that confirms it.     Yet apparently I am the one at fault when I point out these things. 

[Caddius]

I'm sorry if everyone is so offended when I simply voice different reactions that someone could have and try and understand why it has been put in the game.   What was the necessity of including that line?    In a lot of ways, I agree, it is irrelevant.   Yet, given the way Cole introduces it and the fact it seems to have no bearing on anything else that you know in game about Dorian, why is it there?

 

Everyone seems angry with me for having an opinion.    The thing I keep coming back to is that even after hauling Cole around with me continuously, I still have never got all that dialogue that gives a greater insight into what is going on with Dorian.    I've never got those lines about how he is unlearning how not to hope for more.   Or how he was afraid you wouldn't want him after sex.    All I get, after thinking that we're doing fine together is a line that suggests he is still thinking about some other man.      Are you honestly saying that if this happened to you in a relationship, you wouldn't at least wonder what it meant?

 

The real gripe for me is all the inconsistencies between the game and WoT2, which together with loose ends like this, make me wonder just how much care was taken because actually it does make Dorian seem less than honest.     Yet I know that he is a warm hearted and genuine person.   That's what I love about him.    I just wonder if it is deliberate because they want you to reject him.    It seems to me that they make it far easier for you to pick the wrong dialogue choice than the "right" one to get him to stay, far easier to be mocked when you express a desire to stay together, and far easier to get a Cole dialogue that causes you to doubt his commitment than one that confirms it.     Yet apparently I am the one at fault when I point out these things. 

Yes. I know people that still occasionally dwell on people they dated or liked years ago, because that person had a large effect on them, good or bad, and has colored their perception of things. They compare their current SO to their old one, desperate to not find the same warning signs of the relationship dying. Most people I know do things like this. It doesn't mean the relationship is doomed. Dorian's commitment isn't fazed. The man just looked back at his life before meeting the Inquisitor, and wondered about all the different roads life could have gone.

I just wonder if it is deliberate because they want you to reject him.

It doesn't mean that Bioware is pushing you to not get into a relationship with him. Some people have gone through things that makes dating them a more delicate process. Witness Morrigan, as opposed to romancing Alistair.

I wouldn't say that you're the one at fault, just that I disagree with you.

[Arlee]

Everyone seems angry with me for having an opinion.    The thing I keep coming back to is that even after hauling Cole around with me continuously, I still have never got all that dialogue that gives a greater insight into what is going on with Dorian.    I've never got those lines about how he is unlearning how not to hope for more.   Or how he was afraid you wouldn't want him after sex.    All I get, after thinking that we're doing fine together is a line that suggests he is still thinking about some other man.      Are you honestly saying that if this happened to you in a relationship, you wouldn't at least wonder what it meant?

 

I'm not upset with you, just trying to explain another point of view. And no I wouldn't be worried if it was real life an something similar happened. I'm at the point in my life where anyone I'd be interested in would have a past and I'd honestly feel more concerned if none of that past left any sort of lingering mark. Let me give you my real life personal example, which hopefully will make it clearer to you.

 

In high school I had a very good friend who was a good bit more than just a friend to me. We did fool around some and I really cared for her, but I never once considered the possibility we could possibly have a real relationship together. I had no real life example of anything like that possibly existing, so I just assumed it wasn't possible (mind you all of that was also tied up to my personal feelings of not believing I deserved to be loved or be happy but that's a whole other mess of worms). Back then gay marriage wasn't even a concept where I was, I didn't know anyone in any sort of same sex relationship, and there were no long term celebrity couples I knew of to be the example it was possible. So anytime I thought about maybe saying something I didn't because I assumed it would just ruin what I did have.

 

Fast forward 20 years and I could kick myself for being so ridiculous. Hindsight is sort of rude like that. I do wonder what I might have missed out on if we had an actual relationship and I do feel sadness over it. But none of that takes anything away from my relationship with my husband. We are a perfect match for each other and I wouldn't actually change anything if I could because I am happy in my current life and there's no telling how that one change might have changed things

 

You are entitled to your opinion... it just strikes me as being a bit naive. After a certain point everyone you meet will have a past of some sort and loving them will mean accepting that past on some level. There is a difference between still caring about someone and actually wanting to be with them.

 

Anywho, that's why for me this particular bit invokes strong feelings and why I might have come across as angry when I am not