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[Gervaise]

I think Dorian already knew that Halward regretted his words.   He wouldn't have followed him south and asked his forgiveness if he still rejected Dorian as his son.   So that part was dealt with back at Redcliffe (assuming of course that you encouraged them to talk).   

 

"So you feel betrayed.   You say things you can't ever take back."   Cole may use Halward's words to Dorian as an example but that is not what Dorian was talking about.    May be he was just referring to the bit  where he says "...... your f***ing legacy", may be he meant something further back when he first discovered what his father was going to do to him after kidnapping him and imprisoning him for months.     

 

I think Dorian is being very patient with Cole and trying to help Cole understand but so far as Cole being helpful and trying to heal the wound, he's just not getting it at all.    Now if this exchange had occurred before Dorian even spoke his father it might have been considered useful, but as it is, I think Dorian is best left to deal with it without Cole.

 

On the other hand, having Cole with you at the Well of Sorrows is very helpful.   When a spirit tells you it is not a good idea, you'd definitely be a fool to ignore him.

[shinynotshiny]

I think Dorian is being very patient with Cole and trying to help Cole understand but so far as Cole being helpful and trying to heal the wound, he's just not getting it at all.    Now if this exchange had occurred before Dorian even spoke his father it might have been considered useful, but as it is, I think Dorian is best left to deal with it without Cole.

 

I have to agree. I think that banter was more about helping Cole understand human emotion than it was about Dorian coming to terms with his feelings.

[Sui Causa]

Just the difference between "He wishes he hadn't said it." and "He wishes he hadn't meant it." reaaaallly stood out for me.

 

If Halward had simply been angry, let his temper get the better of him and said something he hadn't meant and regretted later, then maybe it'd be easier to forgive him. But it wasn't temper, he'd meant every word. And while he might wish he hadn't meant it now after all is said and done, that's only one small step. Looking at what you did in the past and thinking "I regret that I was that person." Is just barely the beginning of not being that person. It just means he finally got his head out of the sand enough to realize that maybe it wasn't all 100% Dorian's fault at that point and he was to blame too.

 

Just my take, I found that line in that banter very powerful.

[shinynotshiny]

Just the difference between "He wishes he hadn't said it." and "He wishes he hadn't meant it." reaaaallly stood out for me.

 

If Halward had simply been angry, let his temper get the better of him and said something he hadn't meant and regretted later, then maybe it'd be easier to forgive him. But it wasn't temper, he'd meant every word. And while he might wish he hadn't meant it now after all is said and done, that's only one small step. Looking at what you did in the past and thinking "I regret that I was that person." Is just barely the beginning of not being that person. It just means he finally got his head out of the sand enough to realize that maybe it wasn't all 100% Dorian's fault at that point and he was to blame too.

 

Just my take, I found that line in that banter very powerful.

 

All of this.

[Gervaise]

I agree with that as well.   The words "meant it" stood out for me as well.    In some ways it would be interesting to know what Halward's actual reaction would be to hearing his son was a hero, although I do love Dorian's comment that he'd "S**t his drawers".

 

I didn't get any more of the sequence with Cole but in a way that was appropriate considering Dorian said he didn't think it was something for the road.  

 

Has anyone else taken Cole with them to face Corypheus?    After taking him everywhere beforehand, it seemed only appropriate, even though normally I'd have swapped him for another mage.   Anyway it was interesting that afterwards he told me that Cory had tried to take control of him but the amulet prevented it, so it was good to know that it worked and that Dorian's efforts in getting Cole to understand human emotions won't go to waste in the future.

 

Also for interests sake, I got Leliana as Divine on a conscripted Templars run (inspired rather than steeled).

[Melbella]

Has anyone else taken Cole with them to face Corypheus?    After taking him everywhere beforehand, it seemed only appropriate, even though normally I'd have swapped him for another mage.   Anyway it was interesting that afterwards he told me that Cory had tried to take control of him but the amulet prevented it, so it was good to know that it worked and that Dorian's efforts in getting Cole to understand human emotions won't go to waste in the future.

I've taken him once. Also of note: if you don't do his personal quest before going to get Cory, Cole refuses to go if you talk to him, and won't be available (he is x'd out in selection screen). Afterwards, at the party, he says the amulet is no longer necessary since Cory is finished.

I'm taking Cole with me everywhere this Dorian-mance. I'm still missing a few banters but I haven't been able to play much the last several days so I'm hoping they will pop up. The last one I remember is where Dorian says, "Love isn't enough," although earlier today he asked Cole if he had fun at the ball, and offered to draw diagrams for Blackwall.

[Dr. Doctor]

While the Keep has an option that says Dorian "reconciled" with Halward I don't think that things will ever be fully resolved between them. Nearly being turned into a vegetable by your own blood isn't really something that you can get over. Dorian will never be the man his father wanted him to be and Halward might never accept that, but he's learned enough from the old man not to back down from doing the right thing. They at least have more of an understanding which is something?

[nightscrawl]

I think some of you are under the impression that I think Cole's line, or Halward's current feelings, mean he should be forgiven. Honestly, I don't really think one way or the other about it. I'm content to go with whatever Dorian feels about the matter. My Inquisitor has his own feelings about it, which are further influenced by his feelings for Dorian, but he would never attempt to get Dorian to think a certain way based on those.

 

 

Has anyone else taken Cole with them to face Corypheus?    After taking him everywhere beforehand, it seemed only appropriate, even though normally I'd have swapped him for another mage.   Anyway it was interesting that afterwards he told me that Cory had tried to take control of him but the amulet prevented it, so it was good to know that it worked and that Dorian's efforts in getting Cole to understand human emotions won't go to waste in the future.

If you are slow enough in killing him Corypheus has lines for all of the companions and they each have a response. Cole's line at the party makes a bit more sense if you hear Corypheus taunting him. He also basically calls Dorian a traitor to Tevinter, but I can't remember exactly what is said.

My human warrior Inquisitor he taunts by saying, "Look at you, a soporati nipping at the heels of your betters! You are nothing! All you love will be ground under the Imperium's heel!"
 
The last time I did the fight I basically stood around and did nothing, and my party still killed him too quickly... Perhaps I'll make some T1 weapons just for that (lol).

[nightscrawl]

I hope all of you PlayStation people are going to pick up Jaws of Hakkon tomorrow! It's a great DLC.

[CarrionFowl]

I hope all of you PlayStation people are going to pick up Jaws of Hakkon tomorrow! It's a great DLC.

 

Been waiting for this!!! It got increasingly difficult to avoid all the spoilers for it, so I mostly just hung around in this thread *gg* Not that this is a bad place to be, I could talk about Dorian all day *gg*

I'll have to game through his romance again soon, I recalled yesterday that I didn't like some of the options I picked (mainly whom I allied with, so nothing to do with Dorian^^) when I first did it *gg*

 

Regards, CarrionFowl

 

PS: I've also seen that I skipped a select few romance options in my first Dorian-mance, so I went with another char to go and check them out. Mainly the one during Dorian's personal quest, where he says that he 'Prefers the Company of Men'. I never investigated further, because it was pretty clear to me what he meant by that^^ After trying it out now, I have to say that I like it better when you don't ask about it.

Careful: PERSONAL OPINION^^

For me, it made my Quizzie seem like a total doofus^^ One would think that another gay person would know exactly what Dorian meant by that comment, without needing to ask to clarify further...

But again, that is a personal opinion... It just felt that way to me and I liked it better before ^^ Is there an additional scene directly tied to it that might give me reasons enough to try it again?

 

(sorry for being incoherent... my best friend challenged me to romance Solas... I swore never to do that... *sigh*)

[Gervaise]

The asking for clarification is a difficult one but I went with the fact that you could "prefer" the company of men but still be interested in women, in other words bisexual.   We had the reverse with Zevran in that he would sleep with either sex but "preferred a woman's curves".    So it was more a query to discover if he was like me, only interested in men.   Also being a Dalish I had very little direct experience of other people who were gay like me so I'd been something of a loner as a result and wanted to be assured I had heard it right.   I agree it can seem like a dumb thing to ask but not totally without reason.    

 

Mind you I have also gone with the alternative of saying "I guessed as much".   It just depends on how aware you are that you are not the only one and how much your own culture accepts such things.    I've always assumed that there would be a fair amount of pressure among the Dalish to get married at an early age (just like in the alienages) and even if you aren't forced into an unwilling match, there is a fair bit of pressure to keep numbers up by having kids, so being exclusively gay might not be that common.    Just my take on it though.   Obviously the "no women at all?" is more appropriate to a girl Quizzy considering the amount of flirting that has been going on between them.    My first run my girl was really disappointed to discover that, particularly as she ended up with Solas and got her heart broken.    The only consolation was having Dorian as her devoted best friend.

 

I was level 24 when I met Cory this time through having done everything in the game apart from a few bottles and pieces of mosaic.   He always seems to start the insults with me and then do Dorian next - I don't know if this is because he is your love interest or simply that is the order in which it goes.    The only reason we got as much as that was that he managed to zap Cole and this slowed down our progress a bit while Dorian went off to heal him.     When I did a run with me as a Knight Enchanter at level 23 Cory barely got off enough of an insult at me before I'd pummelled him enough that he retreated.    To get the insults directed at everyone I think you either have to be at a much lower level or just stand around and let him hit you and makes sure everyone else does the same.

[nightscrawl]

Been waiting for this!!! It got increasingly difficult to avoid all the spoilers for it, so I mostly just hung around in this thread *gg* Not that this is a bad place to be, I could talk about Dorian all day *gg*
I'll have to game through his romance again soon, I recalled yesterday that I didn't like some of the options I picked (mainly whom I allied with, so nothing to do with Dorian^^) when I first did it *gg*
 
Regards, CarrionFowl
 
PS: I've also seen that I skipped a select few romance options in my first Dorian-mance, so I went with another char to go and check them out. Mainly the one during Dorian's personal quest, where he says that he 'Prefers the Company of Men'. I never investigated further, because it was pretty clear to me what he meant by that^^ After trying it out now, I have to say that I like it better when you don't ask about it.
Careful: PERSONAL OPINION^^
For me, it made my Quizzie seem like a total doofus^^ One would think that another gay person would know exactly what Dorian meant by that comment, without needing to ask to clarify further...
But again, that is a personal opinion... It just felt that way to me and I liked it better before ^^ Is there an additional scene directly tied to it that might give me reasons enough to try it again?
 
(sorry for being incoherent... my best friend challenged me to romance Solas... I swore never to do that... *sigh*)

Hah well regarding the questioning of Dorian about his preference, I think it only works if you haven't been flirting with him before that point. Otherwise it seems like the Inquisitor is a bit thick in the head. Since I always flirt with him I never pick this option.

Also, if you have NOT flirted with him before that point you also get the extra flirt option in the tavern scene to basically "come out," which has some great followup banter between you two, as well as some remarks by Halward (not going to spoil in case you want to watch it).

 

Obviously the "no women at all?" is more appropriate to a girl Quizzy considering the amount of flirting that has been going on between them.

Your point about him possibly being bisexual and using the Zevran comparison was a good one. I hadn't thought of that before.

 

The problem that I have with that particular line ("No women at all?") in that moment is that it seems inappropriate for the scene. I get that one might want clarification about his preference, but then to ask further, in front of his father no less, seems a bit out of place. IMO, especially for a fem Inquisitor who has a crush, it seems more appropriate to ask this question back at Skyhold when you can also pick the star option about him "leading you on" (as much as I adore his response here, I also have some issues with this phrasing).

[Gervaise]

Flirting is not necessarily a conclusive proof of what someone's intentions are.    I'd flirted with Cullen and initially he'd seemed to appreciate it, only to have him tell me he wasn't interested.   Likewise a girl can flirt with Cassandra and initially she does nothing to discourage you.      With my girl I knew that she was on a non starter with Dorian but she didn't and I remember thinking "where is this going Dorian your naughty man?".   Then she found out the truth in a very dramatic way.     

[nightscrawl]

Yes, which is why I'm not keen on the phrasing of "I think you led me on, actually" because it sounds accusatory. Unfortunately there isn't a more neutral option to question him about it (the flirting) while still allowing for your own no-expectation enjoyment of it. In this case the only option is to not address it at all and continue flirting, which Dorian won't mind at all.

 

That said, if you are playing a fem Inquisitor that did have a major crush on him, then I do think it's a good option in that case because it allows the player to express their disappointment. It's all about roleplay options, and the more varied these are, the better. I saw some indignant person lambasting people for picking this line by saying "who doesn't flirt with their friends?" Which, to my mind is missing the point.

 

I really like some of the non-overt Dorian flirts, such as the one where you ask him about his history and say "If that means they're [other Tevinter mages] anything like you, I approve." Dorian laughs and replies, "Ha! There aren't many mages back home like me." And then you respond with, "I'd believe that." It's totally adorable, and other than an indication that you like him, not suggestive of anything.

 

It should be noted that Dorian does not make an overt remark about the fem Inquisitor's physical form like he does with the male one ("You're rather strapping"), which is interesting. There are some men, gay and straight, who do make such remarks even when they aren't interested, which I dislike, so I'm glad Dorian doesn't do this. [Yes, I do know that he can say "I do rather like watching you leave" as the dialog closing to a fem Inquisitor as well, but to me that is more of a gamey issue than anything else.]

 

 

[edit]

I do wonder whether they will ever allow for a non-player initiated romance. By this I mean you, the player, are just going along, perhaps being kinda nice to a given person, and they express their interest in you. I know there was backlash over the Anders "come on," but I think that some of that -- at least for me -- might have been mitigated if he had waited until later in the game to express interest. Saying one nice thing to someone does not mean you want to have their babies, and his responding as if it did when you'd just met was a bit outlandish for me. Then again, that's Anders in a nutshell, isn't it?

[CarrionFowl]

Hah well regarding the questioning of Dorian about his preference, I think it only works if you haven't been flirting with him before that point. Otherwise it seems like the Inquisitor is a bit thick in the head. Since I always flirt with him I never pick this option.

Also, if you have NOT flirted with him before that point you also get the extra flirt option in the tavern scene to basically "come out," which has some great followup banter between you two, as well as some remarks by Halward (not going to spoil in case you want to watch it).

 

 

Pretty much my thought-process^^ Since I also flirt outrageously with the man, I never considered picking this option either, until I heard here about the exchange that follows it. I admit that it was fun to watch and especially Halwards displeased face made me and my best friend giggle like school-girls, but even so, I don't think I'll choose that option again when I game through once more. Not that it isn't fun and everything, but it does give the vibe to me as if the Quizzie has fallen out of the doofus-tree^^

 

 

The asking for clarification is a difficult one but I went with the fact that you could "prefer" the company of men but still be interested in women, in other words bisexual.   We had the reverse with Zevran in that he would sleep with either sex but "preferred a woman's curves".    So it was more a query to discover if he was like me, only interested in men.   Also being a Dalish I had very little direct experience of other people who were gay like me so I'd been something of a loner as a result and wanted to be assured I had heard it right.   I agree it can seem like a dumb thing to ask but not totally without reason.    

 

Mind you I have also gone with the alternative of saying "I guessed as much".   It just depends on how aware you are that you are not the only one and how much your own culture accepts such things.    I've always assumed that there would be a fair amount of pressure among the Dalish to get married at an early age (just like in the alienages) and even if you aren't forced into an unwilling match, there is a fair bit of pressure to keep numbers up by having kids, so being exclusively gay might not be that common.    Just my take on it though.   Obviously the "no women at all?" is more appropriate to a girl Quizzy considering the amount of flirting that has been going on between them.    My first run my girl was really disappointed to discover that, particularly as she ended up with Solas and got her heart broken.    The only consolation was having Dorian as her devoted best friend.

 

I admit, I never thought of it that way... But now that you point it out, that might be a good explanation for it^^

My char is a Trevelyan, so I didn't have the whole Dalish thing to consider (not that it wouldn't interest me, but right now I'm pretty partial to my human rogue^^ Maybe once I get a decent male elf in the CC, I'll romance Dorian with an elf *gg*) I always kind of roleplayed someone in a similar predicament to Dorian regarding the family, only that the Quizzie is not the only son of his house, so it's not as big an issue^^ Still, not very happy with his line of family either *gg*

 

 

I really like some of the non-overt Dorian flirts, such as the one where you ask him about his history and say "If that means they're [other Tevinter mages] anything like you, I approve." Dorian laughs and replies, "Ha! There aren't many mages back home like me." And then you respond with, "I'd believe that." It's totally adorable, and other than an indication that you like him, not suggestive of anything.

 

It should be noted that Dorian does not make an overt remark about the fem Inquisitor's physical form like he does with the male one ("You're rather strapping"), which is interesting. There are some men, gay and straight, who do make such remarks even when they aren't interested, which I dislike, so I'm glad Dorian doesn't do this. [Yes, I do know that he can say "I do rather like watching you leave" as the dialog closing to a fem Inquisitor as well, but to me that is more of a gamey issue than anything else.]

 

Those are my favourites too^^ Had the stupidest grin on my face the first time the whole 'Your rather strapping'-thing triggered^^ I adore most of the romance options with Dorian, but that might be because it's DORIAN^^ I'm having a much bigger problem romancing Solas... *feels like head-desking*

[Gervaise]

Zevran was an example of a non player led romance, which is why I could never understand people saying they had no idea the "massage" was an invitation to sex.   From what I remember, once you had improved your standing with him sufficiently, he approached you on return to camp and asked if there could ever be the possibility of a relationship between you.    There was even an option of saying "But I'm a man" just in case you didn't catch his drift.     You could say immediately that you just wanted to be friends or you could leave your options open, depending on how you were playing your character.   I liked this way of doing things since I always knew where I stood on the matter.    I also liked the Origins system of separating out the general dialogue from the romance ones, so you could fully explore a subject with him without having the heart icon to distract you.   

 

It has been interesting to discover how much you could ignore the heart icon initially with Dorian.    I was wary the first romance run I did with Dorian because with Solas if you don't take the heart icons, particularly the first Fade one, then you've missed your chance.    I also found the way they made the Quizzy character interpret his statement "the world changed" (or words to that effect) as romantic as really stupid because I was wanting to ask "why?" but had to go with the flirt.    Another reason for preferring my male elf.   Not only does he get to romance Dorian but he also gets to put Solas on the spot far more. 

[Dr. Doctor]

Other than Dorian being a fun character to be around, the relationship is pretty healthy. Yes, there's concern for what the future holds but that's to be expected with any relationship. Although, I'd be interested to see his reaction to a "let's get married" dialogue option (Bull and Sera have one).

Also, making a good-looking male elf is hard. After two hours with the CC and I decided to stop fighting with the sliders and took a different route:

Spoiler

[Joe25]

Other than Dorian being a fun character to be around, the relationship is pretty healthy. Yes, there's concern for what the future holds but that's to be expected with any relationship. Although, I'd be interested to see his reaction to a "let's get married" dialogue option (Bull and Sera have one).

Also, making a good-looking male elf is hard. After two hours with the CC and I decided to stop fighting with the sliders and took a different route:

Spoiler

And this is when Billy became Billie. Dorian now staring in Victor Victoria Victor. The story of a foreign prince and a Orlesian burlesques performer's romance gone wronge (or right ).

[CarrionFowl]

Zevran was an example of a non player led romance, which is why I could never understand people saying they had no idea the "massage" was an invitation to sex.   From what I remember, once you had improved your standing with him sufficiently, he approached you on return to camp and asked if there could ever be the possibility of a relationship between you.    There was even an option of saying "But I'm a man" just in case you didn't catch his drift.     You could say immediately that you just wanted to be friends or you could leave your options open, depending on how you were playing your character.   I liked this way of doing things since I always knew where I stood on the matter.    I also liked the Origins system of separating out the general dialogue from the romance ones, so you could fully explore a subject with him without having the heart icon to distract you.   

 

It has been interesting to discover how much you could ignore the heart icon initially with Dorian.    I was wary the first romance run I did with Dorian because with Solas if you don't take the heart icons, particularly the first Fade one, then you've missed your chance.    I also found the way they made the Quizzy character interpret his statement "the world changed" (or words to that effect) as romantic as really stupid because I was wanting to ask "why?" but had to go with the flirt.    Another reason for preferring my male elf.   Not only does he get to romance Dorian but he also gets to put Solas on the spot far more. 

 

I must admit that I never got around to playing through Zevran's Romance^^ I somehow always ended up with Alistair and even my males went for the straight options in the game... Guess I wasn't ready to play a gay hero yet *gg* I tried the gay hero agaon in Dragon Age 2, but abandoned the male playthrough because I lost interest in my grizzled Hawke. And when they announced Dorian to be the gay romance option I initially wondered if he would also end up on the 'unfinished playthrough' list^^ What a fool I was back then, right?

Anyway, I barely remember the conversations I had with my companions in Origin, but I do recall that several of the romance convos were separated from the normal convos, which I liked as well. 

In Inquisition I liked that some cutscenes were changed depending whether you are in a romance with the character or not, for instance Dorian's comments after Mother Giselle bothered him with him wondering if he does have too much influence on the Quizzie. Or that little moment after the Fade *dreamy sigh*

Ah, that scene with the fem elf... Yes I recently had that one... Also felt strange that she'd interpret that as romantic, since I (personally) really wouldn't have. But for the sake of the romance, I picked it. I'm having a pretty hard time romancing Baldy, I admit that... My best friend is smitten with the guy, but then again she can't understand what my deal is with Dorian either *gg* BTW; I had no idea that if you missed the first heart icon with Solas that the romance won't trigger... O.O

 

 

Other than Dorian being a fun character to be around, the relationship is pretty healthy. Yes, there's concern for what the future holds but that's to be expected with any relationship. Although, I'd be interested to see his reaction to a "let's get married" dialogue option (Bull and Sera have one).

Also, making a good-looking male elf is hard. After two hours with the CC and I decided to stop fighting with the sliders and took a different route:
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Hurray for gay marriage!!!

(and this is actually quite the topic today in Germany, strangely enough... One would think that by now it wouldn't be such a big deal...)

I'd love to have an option like that with Dorian or at least something that lets us explore the relationship itself a bit more. Like, if after he's done with stuff in Tevinter, whether he intends to come back... *not thinking of that now*

 

Also, your elf (thank the Maker the word 'elf' can be used for a male or a female^^) is pretty cute^^ I've tried last night, but I'm not completely satisfied. I had many of my ideas from the 'male elf thread' in the Customization forum... There are some seriously handsome guys out there *gg*

 

Okay, enough from me for now, I've written enough of a wall of text anyway^^

Regards, CarrionFowl

[Gervaise]

Zevran was my first ever gay romance and happened a bit by accident.   It was my first play through of Origins and I was a Dalish elf.   Somehow I missed out entirely on picking up Leliana, so there was just Morrigan and whilst I had slept with her, I wasn't entirely comfortable with the relationship.   Then along comes Zevran and suggests a relationship and I had a sort of light bulb moment - that's why everything seems awkward with Morrigan, it's because he's in denial about being gay.    So he broke up with Morrigan and became her gay best friend instead.    Then went with the whole Zevran romance arc and it was great.

 

It is interesting how different people react to the characters in different ways.   My daughter thinks Solas is creepy but loves Dorian and refers to him as "Eton forever" because of his upper class/public school accent.   

 

Have discovered my "improved" elf was as a result of my graphics card optimising the game.   Having restored the original look and not been able to get it back through the game menu, the card updated once more and I selected optimise, went back to the game and my slightly healthier looking elf was restored.   Having done all the war table options on the far left of my screen (which were slightly out of vision in the optimised version), I've gone with that for the rest of the game.   The difference is very subtle, just a slightly more rounded face and less skinny looking body.  This is on PC.   I'm not an expert on these things but for those who are, the optimised settings are:

Graphics: Resolution 100, Graphics: Custom, Tessellation Quality: Off,  everything else on that section set to low.

Display: Full Screen 1024x768 75.00Hz   Vertical Sync: ticked.   Gamma 0.5

Not sure if any of these are what made the difference or it is something the graphics card does in the background.   Since I like this look I'm a bit wary about tinkering to find out.   It does give Dorian a slightly broader face as well but I'm happy with that since he seems to be able to carry anything off and still look fabulous but I realise other people might object if they have grown used to him having a longer looking face.  

 

Anyone else been having problems uploading your saved games to the Keep?    I just went and checked out my latest run in the Tapestry and certain things are still Hidden even though I know I did them, like Sutherland and his little group.     A bit frustrating when you know you've done everything and of course so long as it is hidden, you can't change it.

 

Quick update on the dialogue front.   It turns out I was wrong and the missing dialogue between Dorian and Cole has resumed now I'm on JoH.   We sealed our first Fade rift and Cole immediately started on the conversation that leads to me telling him to stop.     Some chat seems out of place because the characters talk as though Cory is still alive but this one doesn't because of course the pain poor Dorian feels over his father will probably never be truly healed.   In some ways, now the crisis with Corypheus is over it makes sense that his mind would return to more personal issues, particularly since he's likely to feel wistful about Tevinter now he's decided to stay with the Inquisition.

[ERINII]

 

Anyone else been having problems uploading your saved games to the Keep?    I just went and checked out my latest run in the Tapestry and certain things are still Hidden even though I know I did them, like Sutherland and his little group.     A bit frustrating when you know you've done everything and of course so long as it is hidden, you can't change it.

 

 

Hm, at least I haven't encountered any problems with the Keep. Make sure you're connected to the internet when you play, or load your latest saves when connected. Or you can just uncheck the 'hide spoilers' box in the Keep.

 

And hello, it's been a while! Thought I'd drop by and see what's going on in my favourite thread~

[Dr. Doctor]

Ah, that scene with the fem elf... Yes I recently had that one... Also felt strange that she'd interpret that as romantic, since I (personally) really wouldn't have. But for the sake of the romance, I picked it. I'm having a pretty hard time romancing Baldy, I admit that... My best friend is smitten with the guy, but then again she can't understand what my deal is with Dorian either *gg* BTW; I had
Also, your elf (thank the Maker the word 'elf' can be used for a male or a female^^) is pretty cute^^ I've tried last night, but I'm not completely satisfied. I had many of my ideas from the 'male elf thread' in the Customization forum... There are some seriously handsome guys out there *gg*
 
Okay, enough from me for now, I've written enough of a wall of text anyway^^
Regards, CarrionFowl

I'm amazed at how flexible the CC is. Redditors have been able to do better than my elf:

[nightscrawl]

Anyone else been having problems uploading your saved games to the Keep?    I just went and checked out my latest run in the Tapestry and certain things are still Hidden even though I know I did them, like Sutherland and his little group.     A bit frustrating when you know you've done everything and of course so long as it is hidden, you can't change it.

First make sure you meet these criteria:
1 You are playing with with Origin on 'Online Mode'
2 In the game itself [menu>options>account] check box to 'Upload data to the Dragon Age Keep'

Quick note about these two... They are NOT necessary for normal play. You can play as normal without being online or uploading Keep data (useful if you save/reload a lot to watch different options). At a later time you can turn the options ON, load up the save you want, and just run around for a few minutes to allow everything to sync with the Keep.

Within the Keep:
1 Click the menu on the left
2 Click World States
3 Go to the Playthorugh States (arrow on the right, OR click the red chevron for a drop-down)
4 There should be a box that says Current Playthrough. Hit the '+Copy to Editable' button and enter in options as desired.
5 Go Editable States, select the state that you just copied over and load it into the Keep. Your options should now be populated.

Now, the last time I messed around with it I also had problems with certain things. My Operations section is hidden even though my save has a complete Red Jenny, a complete Sutherland Crew, a united Jecin and Celeste (with Inquisitor blessing), and I completed ever tar table mission available. Also in the particular save I DID help Vivienne with her little project, even though I wasn't friends with her, and that tile is also hidden.

 

So I dunno what to tell ya if none of those steps work for you.

 

Since thee isn't going to be another DA gave for some years, I'm not too concerned about it at the moment.

 

 

BUT, I do want to add that if you want to have the 'Dorian stayed with the Inquisition' tile unlocked, the only current workaround seems to be to NOT talk to him at the party, otherwise the game seems to think he returns to Tevinter regardless of what options you pick during the post-Mythal conversation. You also see this reflected in his post-game Skyhold remarks. This is a BUG.

 

What I did was to turn the various options ON, make a hard save at the party, ignore Dorian (sorry dear), go through the final scenes + post-credit, talk to him again in post-game Skyhold for that dialog, save again, and allow it to be uploaded to the Keep so I get my tile unlock. After that I turned everything OFF again and picked my normal options and ignored the irksome stay/go bug (which will hopefully get fixed at some point).

 

Also, if you want to start fresh with the Keep being populated by only your saved choices, you can load up a default world state, delete everything you have saved in the Keep, and then just copy over from the Current Playthrough again. I've had to do this a few times because the Keep gets confused since I play with the same characters (literally, the same level 3 save file started over again).

[nightscrawl]

Regarding Dorian and marriage... it would be interesting to know what he thinks about it. I doesn't seem to me that he has much of a reason to think fondly of marriage; his parents' marriage was a poor example, he had the prospect of an unhappy marriage in his own life, and among the nobility marriage is generally regarded as a currency or a means to an end. However, I imagine that Alexius's marriage might have been a positive (yet saddening when compared to his own life) example.

 

I can imagine that he might not be totally against the idea if the Inquisitor wanted it, but that his initial reaction might be to question it: "Why? We're together, aren't we? Do we need to get married?" Either that or he would be incredulous: "You want to get married? To me?"

 

Although I'm indifferent to marriage in real life, I can see my Inquisitor wanting to get married for religious reasons; becoming one in the eyes of the Maker, that sort of thing. I don't know if that's a view that Dorian, as a fellow Andrastian, would share or not, or whether it (being married to the person of his choice, especially to another man) is simply something that he never bothered to consider in his own life. That said, it would be something that my Inquisitor would like, not something that would be a requirement for happiness.

[Gervaise]

Funnily enough, since I'm playing as an elf, I'm not too bothered about the marriage thing if by that you mean an official ceremony recognised by the Chantry.    Quite clearly we're not going to be able to return to my clan, so getting it recognised by them isn't too much of an issue either.   I figure the Dalish do have their own rites associated with marriage, such as an exchange of gifts or some sort of pledge, that we could make anyway.   You don't need a ceremony to have a spiritual connection, which I believe that Dorian and I have whether there is a Maker or not, but I'm sure the Maker would take more account of the feelings between the two people rather than the fact some Chantry Mother had endorsed it.   From what Dorian said about the Chantry as opposed to his belief in the Maker, I'm pretty sure he'd feel the same way about a Chantry endorsed marriage ceremony.  

 

Marriage in Thedas seems very much a case of political alliances and a way of ensuring inheritance is passed on correctly and even then it is not essential if you can prove your birth, as per Fairbanks.    The important thing for me is the very visible statement that we are together, which everyone within the Inquisitions seems to have acknowledged anyway.   If I thought that the marriage would be recognised in Tevinter, then I might change my mind about that.    Of course the situation is totally different for a human noble since there wouldn't be the social stigma of their race to contend with.     Maevaris was able to overcome this because of dwarves having a close trade connection with Tevinter and not being regarded as slaves.    I suppose being one of the most powerful people in Thedas might give more weight to the marriage for an elven Inquisitor but on the whole I doubt it.

 

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On the Keep front, strangely enough Dorian loaded correctly even though I had talked to him at the party.    Everything was right with him.     Just missing those screens to do with Sutherland, the marriage, etc, although it has recorded Charade.     Have just discovered that there is a place in the Keep where you can tell it to show spoilers, so have done that and able to see and alter my world state as necessary.

 

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Finally got the conversation where Dorian is explaining about love not being enough and Cole mimics Halward.   Have to say that simply reading those lines is not nearly as impactful as actually hearing them.     That is why they employ such good voice actors.     When Cole's voice and attitude abruptly change as he says those lines is really strong.   Whilst Dorian being so much calmer than he was on their previous conversation and being able to raise the subject himself made me feel that perhaps he was getting to a better place personally.    I find the whole relationship between Dorian and Cole really touching because Dorian is making such an effort to help Cole understand and there is none of either the sarcasm or patronising attitude that he can display with other people.   He genuinely wants him to understand, just as Cole genuinely wants to help.   Funnily enough we're in the same place with Cassandra; he's got past baiting her and now they are having some mutually respectful and supportive chats.     It's like we're not just a team but a little family.     They also happen to be my three favourite characters.