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[nightscrawl]

Back with more silly questions.

So, Dorian and I have kissed and I have told Giselle to minder own business. But I never got a formal "this option will begin your romance with Dorian" pop up. Is everything still on track? It certainly looks like it, but I'm not sure since the wiki is a bit vague. Anything else I need to do or is it just a matter of talking to him after story quests now?

And good God,he's really charming. Could sell ice to an Eskimo. I was all set for Cass--sided with the templars and everything--and still couldn't resist.

So there are two paths you can take for the first kiss. The first is immediately after the Redcliffe tavern scene where you pick the option "Only good things" where the Inquisitor initiates the kiss. For the second; after the tavern scene you pick the "brave" option, and in the Giselle scene Dorian initiates a surprise kiss.

For the first the game has assumed that you do want the romance and you don't get a "push this button to start a romance" option.

But the second takes a bit more effort and the game goes out of its way to make sure that you want the romance. The flirt in the Giselle scene has a warning, then you get a surprise kiss. After that you can talk to Dorian again and officially start the romance, ("I need to talk to you,") and you get another confirmation warning. After this second confirmation, if you have the correct amount of approval, there will be a messenger NPC near Solas in the room below that starts another quest. BUT, I've discovered that you need to leave Skyhold, go to another map, and then return for the messenger to load properly.

 

If you did the first path then, as others said, you need a bit more approval for the messenger to trigger. If you did the second path, you might try the leave/return method, and if the messenger is still not there then you will know that you need more approval.

 

 

Happy romancing.

[nightscrawl]

Hmmm, no?
You never see him drunk in game.
He probably drank during the Wicked Grace game but since he doesn't end up under the table like Sera , I assume he didn't drink all that much or he can hold his liquor.

The post-tavern scene is really the only time he specifically mentions "drinking [himself] into a stupor," because "it's been that sort of day."

To add to this, he seems to know how he uses alcohol as an emotional crutch, beyond the actual enjoyment of it. When you ask him about Alexius at Skyhold, his tone of self-derision when he says, "Plus, I was busy drinking. One must have priorities," says volumes to me.



Btw, I will point out that, when DG is traveling -- as he is currently -- he frequently tweets about drinking and does have an enjoyment of libation. I would say that this also applies to Dorian most of the time, unless he has had "that sort of day."

 

Also, despite the large volume of alcoholic beverages, fanatic beer and wine worship, and the amount of advertising, the mentality surrounding alcohol outside of the US is generally more relaxed. While Dorian's mention of drinking may stick out, I tend to think that it is actually in line with the -- typically unstated -- behavior of many people, and is not actually noteworthy in that regard.

 

(I rarely consume alcohol, so I'm not coming from a defensive POV in this regard, and I do consider my view somewhat neutral and unbiased.)

 

 

And... personally speaking, this also makes great fanfic fodder.

[jtav]

I figured it out. And David Gaider strikes again. I'll just be over here with my broken heart.

[Dr. Doctor]

I figured it out. And David Gaider strikes again. I'll just be over here with my broken heart.

Dorian might head back to Tevinter, but its not like Cass becoming Divine or Solas ripping your heart out. First there was what happened to poor Mordin, now Patrick Weekes is taking up Gaider's chalice of fan tears.

[nightscrawl]

I figured it out. And David Gaider strikes again. I'll just be over here with my broken heart.

 

Sorry to see that... Well, that's why the Maker created second (and third and fourth...) plays!

 

Granted, you might not be planning to romance Dorian again, but I will say that I found the romance to be richer after having experienced it a second time, and also after having numerous discussions about the character and various scenes in this thread. It also gives you the opportunity to select some of the dialog options you might not have chosen the first time, see his reaction to them, and decide if that might not be a preferred choice over the one you chose the first time.

 

For example, the first time I did the romance I picked the option for my Inquisitor to initiate the kiss, but after learning about the second path, I decided that not only do I (the player) prefer that method personally, but I think it fits better with how my Inquisitor would (and would not) behave. It was primarily a roleplay choice in that regard, and I was only able to make it because I did the romance again.

[Gervaise]

Don't forget there is also the option where your Inquisitor is so shy (or in a state of denial) about being gay that they can avoid flirting with Dorian altogether during every sequence up to and including Mother Giselle scene and yet still have the option to initiate the romance after that.    So there are many and varied ways of approaching the Dorian romance to suit everyone's style and viewpoint.   I didn't appreciate this at first and is in stark contrast to Solas, where if you don't take your heart icon opportunities you will miss your chance.   That is what is so great about Dorian, there are so many ways you can play it, both as a romance and a friend.    Each run I find out something new.

[nightscrawl]

^ Hah totally didn't know that. Geez, poor man really needs some love.

 

 

Here is a general question for you all... Do you play it that your Inquisitor falls in love from the start (as in, shortly after meeting him); OR that you're interested, care about him and want to grow closer, and fall in love later on? Keep in mind that I'm asking about the actual feelings, and NOT how you decide to pursue the romance -- that is: sex, no sex, flirting, shy, or whatever floats your boat.

 

I go with the second path for my guy. But he does fall in love pretty quickly after Dorian reveals what he wants and opens up a bit more.

[jtav]

Wait, I think you guys misunderstood. I *like* this stuff. This is my fifth playthrough. I know Dorian would leave before I started. Dorian's love scene is one of the most purely beautiful things I've scene and of the three I've done, his romance is the one that most enhances the character. And it's a romance conflict I get: it's both real and doesn't make me feel like a fool. Never romance him again? He's in the running for canon.

[Reznore57]

^ Hah totally didn't know that. Geez, poor man really needs some love.

 

 

Here is a general question for you all... Do you play it that your Inquisitor falls in love from the start (as in, shortly after meeting him); OR that you're interested, care about him and want to grow closer, and fall in love later on? Keep in mind that I'm asking about the actual feelings, and NOT how you decide to pursue the romance -- that is: sex, no sex, flirting, shy, or whatever floats your boat.

 

I go with the second path for my guy. But he does fall in love pretty quickly after Dorian reveals what he wants and opens up a bit more.

 

In my main "canon" playthrough , my Dalish doesn't fall for Dorian right away.

He thinks Dorian is annoying and a bit of a moron at first , besides he's human so...

My Inquisitor went from Long Face /glare to blushing /being shy to "I decided to take the plunge I LOVE YOU 4ever!".

 

The funny thing is I really don't think those two are a good match in the long run , they are way too different .

My Dalish just wants his simple "frolicking in the forest" life back ...and then I imagine Dorian living in the woods .

The drama.

[Gervaise]

The odd thing is that I played my girl mage Lavellan as being really smitten after going through time with him, so she was really torn between him and Solas, only for her to discover the truth, which was disappointing but certainly solved her dilemma.   I was so relieved he said he was staying out of friendship because she really couldn't have coped with losing both Solas and Dorian.

 

With my male hunter Lavellan it was a gradual thing.   Initially he was suspicious of Dorian and had all the racial prejudice against him as a Tevinter, plus his cocky attitude grated with him, so he went off and recruited the Templars.    Then Dorian turned up to warn them, helped Roderick and stood up to Cullen and he began to see him in a different light.    Finally he discovered that Dorian was gay and was struggling against the expectations of his society, just as my Lavellan had been doing back at the clan - because when you are that good a hunter the girls are just lining up wanting to marry you - so there was a respect for his stand and a growing sense of emotional connection with him.    I think he'd always suspected that he'd never return to his clan because of his role as Inquisitor but his feelings for Dorian just confirmed it.   Like Dorian he still cares deeply about his people but he has no regrets about committing himself entirely to Dorian.   So it was a gradual build up to the point where he fell for Dorian but once he did then it was complete and utter devotion.

[tklivory]

*suppresses impulse to ramble on and on about headcanon Trevelyan/Dorian and decides to post art instead*

This artwork just has really stayed with me. It's detailed, beautiful, and the symbolism expertly applied. I just... really, really like this piece, so I thought I'd share:


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[nightscrawl]

He has a boob window! Bahahaha... oh god it's awesome XD. Nice amount of body hair too. You certainly find interesting pieces, Tklivory.

[tklivory]

*sniff* Fine, laugh at Dorian's glorious boob window. It's chibis from now on!


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[CarrionFowl]

^ Hah totally didn't know that. Geez, poor man really needs some love.

 

 

Here is a general question for you all... Do you play it that your Inquisitor falls in love from the start (as in, shortly after meeting him); OR that you're interested, care about him and want to grow closer, and fall in love later on? Keep in mind that I'm asking about the actual feelings, and NOT how you decide to pursue the romance -- that is: sex, no sex, flirting, shy, or whatever floats your boat.

 

I go with the second path for my guy. But he does fall in love pretty quickly after Dorian reveals what he wants and opens up a bit more

 

I usually imagine the second path for my guy. He's neither shy nor in denial about what he wants, but he feels a deeper connection to Dorian, because their personalities match. Not to say that they don't have stuff to argue about, for example the whole slave-thing in Tevinter. I like to imagine that he really fell in love with Dorian after the confrontation with Halward, which shows a raw, hurt side of Dorian that he wouldn't normally show. (And I was actually almost crying the very first time that quest happened with my fem Mage). I have a whole head-canon figured out for my Trevelyan (and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one *gg*)

So basically, the second for me^^

Regards, CarrionFowl

[GGGenesis]

Coming into the conversation a little late. Pardon me, I had to mark 33 student essays (EUGH). Prepare for HUGE headcanon rant:
On the whole falling in love with Dorian thing...When I first picked up Inquisition I had watched all the trailers and did my preparatory wiki readings and thought "Great...my romance choices are obviously gay Nikola Tesla and the Beast from Beauty and the Beast." I figured I'd romance no one with my Dalish IQ who thought his clothes would look good on the bedroom floor of attractive ex-templar with good hair, obviously that didn't work out...at all...I met Iron Bull first, figured he was a total bro and he seemed like the kind of guy I'd have a one night stand or two with but I was pretty underwhelmed because I wanted to romance SOMEONE. I even started to think about romancing a woman or modding my game to romance Cullen or to restart and play my canon game as a female. It was that bad!
So when the quest to meet Dorian came up I was praying to the creators that Dorian isn't as bad as I assumed which was stereotypical gay man lacking substance or just...a bland guy since his looks were not winning me over. Think of that attractive dark skinned hunk from ME3. He was hot , but so boring I've forgotten his name.

And then. Maybe 2 seconds of entering the chantry and Dorian opens his stupid mouth and speaks words and does that stupid thing with his face that's like a grin with his eyes all sparkley. Oh yeah. IQ and I were confused. The battle was hard as well because I was thinking "You know...I might like him. Maybe..." Then the post fight dialogue happened and I was screaming at my PC because there was no option to put Dorian into my party. So I helped the mages because..it's the right thing to do. Yes. Okay. Helped the mages. More quality time with Dorian. Is it just me or is it getting hot in here?
Needless to say, the only way I can play this romance is falling hard and fast for Dorian before I even know it. I've headcanoned my IQ as being an up for anything sort of guy - smooth sailing, we'll deal with it when we come to it/figure it out along the way, like the Inquisition, but he likes his coy flirting and sweet romances and is interested in Dorian from the beginning. I rarely select heart options and I let Dorian take the lead mainly because a) he's Dalish and he's the Inquisitor, he has a million important things to deal with and while he does consider Mr Tevinter attractive, they're busy people. Since he is a Dalish elf, lore-wise it complicates things since they should be frightful of Tevinters I guess, but Clan Lavellan aren't spiteful or too wary/xenophobic. They seem to be curious about humans so Lavellan being sexually/romantically interested in Dorian isn't too ridiculous. Not to mention they are the two odd ones out in the Inquisition who don't really belong anywhere - turning to each other out of comfort and mutual curiosity seems natural as Dorian does seem genuinely interested in the Dalish and elves in general. But he's just so charming. My IQ is happy in his company. Not melty or weak kneed, just happy. I find it hard to sleep with him when he initiates since it does seem sudden. No flowers. No dinner. Just barely established our relationship and now he wants to tumble in the hay? And the man says he has class...

[Gervaise]

I would add that Mother Giselle is the turning point for me.   Sticking her nose in and showing disapproval of our "relationship" (which at that point doesn't even exist) was a sure fire way of ensuring that the romance became a reality.    I think my Lavellan might have dithered for a lot longer because of all the conflicting feelings he had about Dorian had he not resented being told who he should associate with.   So he goads Dorian into kissing him and after that there was no turning back.   I figured that Dorian kissing you has that sort of effect. 

[GGGenesis]

I figured that Dorian kissing you has that sort of effect.

you forgot to add that it also makes knees weak and hearts flutter, but yes. I can imagine him being the sort who gets off from people's disapproval. He likes playing with fire. Also he's hot. I keep staring at that damn picture tklivory posted just...damn it! ><

[winteriscoming]

I really enjoy all the different ways you can approach the romance as well, it allows for very genuine development regardless of which Inquisitor I'm playing.

 

My favorite romance with Dorian so far has been my Lavellan, Artair. Also a mage, but proud, very quick-tempered and angry about the loss of elven history. He's hostile and distrustful of everyone in the beginning, due to the Andrastian aspect of being called Herald, the Templar/Chantry connection of many of the central advisors and especially due to the fact that everyone was ready to kill him/let him die immediately upon his awakening. Waking in an unfamiliar and hostile environment with no memory and surrounded by humans...

 

Artair fought his feelings towards Dorian until the bitter end and they argued like cats and dogs about many topics. One of my favorite aspects was during the Mother Giselle scene:

 

Dorian: "So, is my influence on you undue?"

Artair: "I don't think you HAVE any influence on me."

Dorian: "Not that I was suggesting such, but if that's how you feel maybe this isn't worth the trouble."

Artair: "That's not what I said!"

 

I see Artair struggling with the fact that he's falling in love with a Tevinter human and trying to keep his own identity as a proud Dalish First separate, often times resulting in him lashing out rather unnecessarily. I can see him thinking that he's betraying part of his elven heritage by becoming so devoted to someone he originally never thought he could even like, let alone fall in love with.

 

You better believe, however, that he is incredibly, fiercely protective of Dorian when it comes to others/outsiders.

 

Ugh, I could just write about them all day. They are hands down my favorite romance and the one I felt most rewarded by, largely because it was so fraught and difficult.

[Melbella]

Artair fought his feelings towards Dorian until the bitter end and they argued like cats and dogs about many topics. One of my favorite aspects was during the Mother Giselle scene:
 
Dorian: "So, is my influence on you undue?"
Artair: "I don't think you HAVE any influence on me."
Dorian: "Not that I was suggesting such, but if that's how you feel maybe this isn't worth the trouble."
Artair: "That's not what I said!"

 

Oooh....I like this!  I have trouble not flirting with Dorian though....

[nightscrawl]

Maybe 2 seconds of entering the chantry and Dorian opens his stupid mouth and speaks words and does that stupid thing with his face that's like a grin with his eyes all sparkley. Oh yeah.

Hah totally applies to my guy as well. Dorian can really make a great first impression.
 
 
 
To veer off subject, in my current play I've been attempting to record all of the Dorian lines during various quests and such. The way he says some of these lines is just great, or is just another indication of his personality and morality.
 
For example, in the Western Approach you find some abandond carts and head into a mine.
In the mine he says, "This answers the question of all those abandoned carts."
In the adjacent mine, after reading a journal entry by some red templar, he says, "Maker! They did something this horrible and wrote about it. These people are wrong in every possible way."
 
His comment in Haven when you approach the last trebuchet is interesting, and I had never heard it until recently: "There's our glorious end. All it needs is aiming!" Many of the others, like Varric, just point out that it's there and needs aiming, but not Dorian; his tone suggests he totally expects to die.
 
There are other such instances; some amusing, some serious, some just matter-of-fact explanations that don't have any benefit other than just hearing his voice (his remarks in the Solasan temple). But it has been kind of frustrating getting some of them to pop if you have a full party; oftentimes it will be one of the others and I'll have to reload. Happily I've played the game so many times I generally know when extra dialog is going to happen so I'm ready for it.


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OH I do have a question... right at the start of Crestwood, after you leave the Inquisition camp and start to walk along the path the Inquisitor says, "There must be a way to get to the rift in the lake," after which various party members chime in with a remark. Dorian says, "You mean, aside from wearing all your armor and wading in."

But... my Inquisitor is a warrior who happens to be wearing bulky armor. Has anyone NOT playing a warrior gotten this line as well? My fem mage play was so long ago I don't remember if I got it with her or not. (I've only had these two characters that I play repeatedly.)


Couple of screens for you all...

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[Dr. Doctor]

Hah totally applies to my guy as well. Dorian can really make a great first impression.   To veer off subject, in my current play I've been attempting to record all of the Dorian lines during various quests and such. The way he says some of these lines is just great, or is just another indication of his personality and morality. For example, in the Western Approach you find some abandond carts and head into a mine.In the mine he says, "This answers the question of all those abandoned carts."In the adjacent mine, after reading a journal entry by some red templar, he says, "Maker! They did something this horrible and wrote about it. These people are wrong in every possible way." His comment in Haven when you approach the last trebuchet is interesting, and I had never heard it until recently: "There's our glorious end. All it needs is aiming!" Many of the others, like Varric, just point out that it's there and needs aiming, but not Dorian; his tone suggests he totally expects to die. There are other such instances; some amusing, some serious, some just matter-of-fact explanations that don't have any benefit other than just hearing his voice (his remarks in the Solasan temple). But it has been kind of frustrating getting some of them to pop if you have a full party; oftentimes it will be one of the others and I'll have to reload. Happily I've played the game so many times I generally know when extra dialog is going to happen so I'm ready for it.[edit]OH I do have a question... right at the start of Crestwood, after you leave the Inquisition camp and start to walk along the path the Inquisitor says, "There must be a way to get to the rift in the lake," after which various party members chime in with a remark. Dorian says, "You mean, aside from wearing all your armor and wading in."But... my Inquisitor is a warrior who happens to be wearing bulky armor. Has anyone NOT playing a warrior gotten this line as well? My fem mage play was so long ago I don't remember if I got it with her or not. (I've only had these two characters that I play repeatedly.)Couple of screens for you all...

Spoiler

I once was lucky enough to have Dorian and Sera have the "Stop saying tool!" banter on the way to face Erimond. Also if there was ever a need for a Renegade interrupt, shooting, incinerating, or sucking Erimond into the Fade with the mark in the middle of his monologue should be an option.

[Melbella]

I once was lucky enough to have Dorian and Sera have the "Stop saying tool!" banter on the way to face Erimond. Also if there was ever a need for a Renegade interrupt, shooting, incinerating, or sucking Erimond into the Fade with the mark in the middle of his monologue should be an option.

Exactly. "You talk too much." BOOM!

[Kukuru]

Exactly. "You talk too much." BOOM!

 

 

 

 

 

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[winteriscoming]

Hah totally applies to my guy as well. Dorian can really make a great first impression.
 
 
 
To veer off subject, in my current play I've been attempting to record all of the Dorian lines during various quests and such. The way he says some of these lines is just great, or is just another indication of his personality and morality.
 
For example, in the Western Approach you find some abandond carts and head into a mine.
In the mine he says, "This answers the question of all those abandoned carts."
In the adjacent mine, after reading a journal entry by some red templar, he says, "Maker! They did something this horrible and wrote about it. These people are wrong in every possible way."
 
His comment in Haven when you approach the last trebuchet is interesting, and I had never heard it until recently: "There's our glorious end. All it needs is aiming!" Many of the others, like Varric, just point out that it's there and needs aiming, but not Dorian; his tone suggests he totally expects to die.
 
There are other such instances; some amusing, some serious, some just matter-of-fact explanations that don't have any benefit other than just hearing his voice (his remarks in the Solasan temple). But it has been kind of frustrating getting some of them to pop if you have a full party; oftentimes it will be one of the others and I'll have to reload. Happily I've played the game so many times I generally know when extra dialog is going to happen so I'm ready for it.


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OH I do have a question... right at the start of Crestwood, after you leave the Inquisition camp and start to walk along the path the Inquisitor says, "There must be a way to get to the rift in the lake," after which various party members chime in with a remark. Dorian says, "You mean, aside from wearing all your armor and wading in."

But... my Inquisitor is a warrior who happens to be wearing bulky armor. Has anyone NOT playing a warrior gotten this line as well? My fem mage play was so long ago I don't remember if I got it with her or not. (I've only had these two characters that I play repeatedly.)
 

 

I believe I've had him say that line for all the classes in my playthroughs. I found it interesting that sometimes he chimes in with that line and other times he doesn't, even if it's the exact same party. I had him say it and then when I reloaded the interactions from the others was the same but Dorian didn't say anything.

 

Appreciate your work tracking all the ambient Dorian dialogue! I feel that sometimes other characters have priority for their input, kind of similar to ME games. You wouldn't hear character A say something if characters B, C or F were in the party, etc.

[Joe25]

*suppresses impulse to ramble on and on about headcanon Trevelyan/Dorian and decides to post art instead*

This artwork just has really stayed with me. It's detailed, beautiful, and the symbolism expertly applied. I just... really, really like this piece, so I thought I'd share:

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