^ Yes, that is the romance version of him staying.
Dorian: Staying in the South could prove interesting. One's always warmest next to the fire.
Inquisitor: That's the only reason you stayed?
Dorian: Not the only reason.
Of course as usual with him the tone of voice really sells it. It's very Dorian. You can see the scene in the last 20 seconds of this video.
Link a source? I've been following the twitter thread and the only noteworthy thing I've seen lately is that John Epler is working on tear-milking cinematics.
Thanks. I rather doubt it will contain content for everyone... I'm fully expecting the next to have some stuff for Bull, and possibly Solas. Or perhaps they will keep the Solas stuff for a third and final DLC. There may be some Dorian stuff by proxy if you have in him in a relationship with Bull, or not. Since the nature of their relationship is so limited (as known to the player), there might not be anything at all. Not like I will ever see that content anyway... lol.
The nature of the upcoming DLC is a bit frustrating for me. I don't care for Bull in general and don't like the 2h reaver combat -- yes, I know you can respec, but I dislike speccing followers our of their iconic abilities -- so I hardly ever bring him along anywhere. But I will probably have to bring him along for this if I want to see some of the better stuff if the Qunari are going to be invading, otherwise I would be really short-changing myself.
Also... while I normally save the Charges and tell Gatt to go pound sand, if I allied with the Qunari I would be royally pissed if they then decided to invade. I think I may have to sacrifice the Charges once just to see any sort of crisis points for Bull. Thank the Maker for multiple saves.
Sorry for the digression in the thread.
Oh and...
Blair Brown @blairkerrbrown
the first bug I ever filed on dragon age back in 2012 was a stop ship bug because Dorians hair was offset... I regret nothing. #DAI
That wonderful hair... 
Like you I usually leave Bull on the subs bench except for his specific quest and occasionally for dragon hunts since he enjoys it so much, although I find Cassandra a better dragon hunter (hardly surprising considering her background). I also usually save the Chargers. Luckily I decided to try out different options on the latest run, including allying with the Qun, which is just as well as I've reached my limit of saves. As I romanced Josephine, if I take the trouble to include Bull a bit more I suppose I could trigger the Dorian/Bull relationship but since I've severe misgivings about encouraging it because I'm pretty sure it will end badly for Dorian, particularly if there is a Qunari invasion, I've been sticking to my normal policy regarding Bull.
As a matter of interest how did Danaduchy manage to get that dialogue? Resetting flags outside of the actual game? Or was it just luck?
As I said... you get that dialog if you don't talk to Dorian at the party. I tested this method out myself the last time I finished the game.
When I spoke to Dorian at the party, in the post-game he said, "It will be difficult to return to Tevinter after all this. And leaving you? Most difficult of all. I'd almost rather let the Imperium rot. Such is my lot. Just a little longer then."
When I ignored Dorian at the party, in the post-game you get the "Not the only reason" dialog.
His repeatable line after that point is something silly about bees.
Unfortunately the one and only time I finished the game with a non-romance, friend Dorian I also didn't talk to anyone in the post game. My girl romanced Cullen, and when I loaded up the game Skyhold was bugged out and he (Cullen) was gone and I didn't get to talk to him, so I just closed the game and never went back. I don't know how Dorian's post-game dialog is different for a friend, or if the stay/go bug carries over with a non-romanced version.
The fact that you don't talk to Dorian at the party to get that dialogue makes me wonder if it isn't deliberate. If you got the one about leaving, then you'd think he was, so you get the one about staying. Whereas if you've talked to Dorian, you know he has decided to stay on, so coming off that the comment about leaving does seem simply a bit of teasing on Dorian's part, rather like in the bedroom. After all the bedroom scene has to be a joke based on what passed between them previously and the Inquisitor's little smirk seems to confirm this.
Has anyone from the writing team confirmed whether or not that is a bugged conversation and not triggering correctly?
Edit: I have just checked back with my Solas save. If she talks with Dorian at the party, he tells her he is staying and I get a modified version of the one you get in a romance but instead of saying it will be difficult to leave "And leaving you? Most difficult of all." he says about good friends being hard to find. The rest is the same. Then I reloaded and tried it without talking to him. This time I got a similar first part about being difficult to leave. Then I got him saying that I'd been a good friend and that's rare, followed by the comment that he doesn't have to go straight away, because "There's a few adventures in you yet". In a way the comment to the romance means the same "It will be interesting..... warmest close to the fire". It is just a bit more intimate and personal because you are in a relationship. In a way none of the conversations actually imply a permanence or that he is leaving; Dorian is simply keeping his options open (as are the writers which I think is more to the point).
Somewhat unrelated item: I've just acquired a furry friend in my life in the form of a cat. He has a vantage point from where he can watch me on the computer but normally falls asleep since he basically just likes being near me. However, he perked up a bit when the credits music was playing and then became fascinated with the epilogue, watching intently everything that went on with Flemeth and Solas, before dropping back to sleep again when it returned to the regular game. It's a pity I can't get his take on that scene since it clearly has some significance to him.
*sneaks in with some smexy NSFW piccies taken by @MelissaGT of Dorian.*
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*coughs everywhere and reaches for asthma puffer* Sorry, my body forgot what air is.
The fact that you don't talk to Dorian at the party to get that dialogue makes me wonder if it isn't deliberate. If you got the one about leaving, then you'd think he was, so you get the one about staying. Whereas if you've talked to Dorian, you know he has decided to stay on, so coming off that the comment about leaving does seem simply a bit of teasing on Dorian's part, rather like in the bedroom. After all the bedroom scene has to be a joke based on what passed between them previously and the Inquisitor's little smirk seems to confirm this.
Has anyone from the writing team confirmed whether or not that is a bugged conversation and not triggering correctly?
Edit: I have just checked back with my Solas save. If she talks with Dorian at the party, he tells her he is staying and I get a modified version of the one you get in a romance but instead of saying it will be difficult to leave "And leaving you? Most difficult of all." he says about good friends being hard to find. The rest is the same. Then I reloaded and tried it without talking to him. This time I got a similar first part about being difficult to leave. Then I got him saying that I'd been a good friend and that's rare, followed by the comment that he doesn't have to go straight away, because "There's a few adventures in you yet". In a way the comment to the romance means the same "It will be interesting..... warmest close to the fire". It is just a bit more intimate and personal because you are in a relationship. In a way none of the conversations actually imply a permanence or that he is leaving; Dorian is simply keeping his options open (as are the writers which I think is more to the point).
Sorry, I completely disagree that it's not a bug. It makes no sense that he would tell you one thing at the party and suggest another in the post-game conversation, which is also reflected in the wonky Keep tile issue.
Dorian teases, yes, but he is not cruel about it. And that would be cruel. Staying or leaving, particularly after the (mostly serious) conversation post-Mythal, is an important discussion. I do NOT believe he would tease the Inquisitor about such an issue. I don't really feel that you are giving Dorian, his feelings, or his seriousness about the relationship enough credit with such a remark. Even his balcony scene dialog is so over-the-top as to leave no doubt that he is teasing there, coupled with his affectionate manner while he is saying it. He is actually pretty serious, or at least neutral, most of the time throughout the conversations you can have with him. He's not the snark-machine that many people make him out to be and knows where to draw the line. (I can give numerous examples, but I'm not going to clutter this post with them.)
I also think that "That's the only reason you stayed?" followed by "Not the only reason," DOES mean that is IS staying. I mean, the word "stay" is right there.
(I realize that the above sounds like I'm offended or somesuch, but that is not the case. It's simply how I feel about it.)
To answer your question, as far as I know the devs haven't commented about it, but they have been silent about a lot of issues, so that doesn't actually mean anything.
I'm going to post these tidbits occasionally in case people haven't seen all of the spontaneous quest dialogs available. It's been rather frustrating gathering all of these. There are some quests where Dorian has no comment at all (tested by bringing only him). Sometimes the game picks randomly among all three followers. I've also learned not to take Solas along anytime there are magical remarks because he has a tendency to override Dorian, such as in the Solasan temple. On occasion, Dorian's remark will be dependent on that of another follower, since he responds to them.
During Solas's quest Measuring the Veil...
Inquisitor: What manner of fire is this?
Dorian: I've heard of this! It's veilfire. Tevinter mages discovered it.
On seeing a rune for the first time...
Dorian: What are those runes? I can't make them out.
On lighting the torch for the first time...
Dorian: Marvelous. This is fascinating.
[The tone of this is supremely adorable.]
On revealing a rune for the first time...
Dorian: The light from the torch is affecting the runes.
[To get this I had to extinguish the torch I got from lighting it the first time -- via Dorian -- and run back to get it again.]
On reading the rune...
Dorian: A Tevinter weapon enchantment. Oh, this could be very useful.
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I find these remarks interesting in that it's one of the few times where he is being enthusiastic, rather than cynical, about Tevinter. He may think and know that his homeland has many virtues, but most of the time he is rather negative about it, and with good reason.
I hoped my Edit clarified a bit what I was saying. I think the emphasis is different. When he talks to you at the party he focusses on the Inquisitor as his reason for staying whether friend or lover. When you only talk to him after the epilogue the emphasis is on the whole picture, so he explains a bit more about why he is staying. The thing is after the Temple of Mythal if you ask him what he wants to do (only romance can do this), he says he doesn't want to be just an ornament on the Inquisitor's arm. What he is saying is that he wants to feel he is doing something useful, not simply being decorative or enjoying himself when other important issues are at stake. Saying you need him gives him a definite purpose for staying. As a friend you can say how he is doing good work, which also gives a definite reason to stay. This is then referenced in the conversation post epilogue if you didn't speak with him at the party.
In the post epilogue dialogue where you have not previously spoken to him, he explains he is staying because there is still work to do. He values you whether as a lover or a friend but he needs to justify to himself why he is staying beyond simply his emotional connection to the Inquisitor. He stays because it is the right thing to do, on so many levels.
With the conversations you get if you have spoken to him at the party, they are so similar whether as a friend or lover, I can't believe it was not intentional. In both cases he says he will stay at the party, yet comes out with this odd speech afterwards. It is only being cruel if you take him seriously. However, he did seem to think that returning to Tevinter was important to him before and may be he doesn't want you to take him for granted because he had a change of heart. When you first talk with him after Hushed Whispers he says how much he misses his homeland. This made me appreciate all the more his decision to stay, particularly because it seems primarily because I asked him to, whether as a lover or a friend. May be he is simply feeling nostalgic about his homeland in the aftermath of the party, whereas at the party he was caught up in the emotional high.
I give Dorian credit for very deep feelings. He says the typical Tevinter cares deeply about everything with no half measures and he is a living embodiment of that. That is why he will always be torn because he cares deeply about the Inquisitor, again whether a lover or a friend, but also about his homeland. There have been times that he has said hurtful things without intending to be cruel, particularly if you are his lover and take certain dialogue options. So you can either get upset about what he says post epilogue and blame it on a bug or accept that it was written that way and try to understand why he is saying it.
The Keep is notoriously unreliable but when I did my last Dorian romance run, that did upload to the Keep correctly, even though I did speak to him at the party and got the will I/won't I conversation after the epilogue. This is why I say it would be helpful if the writers would confirm one way or another about those post epilogue speeches.
^ I still disagree. I don't think it can have been intentional for talking vs not talking at the party to affect anything, because they (the devs) will expect you to talk to everyone.
Honestly, nothing you say will convince me it's not a bug, so we'll just have to leave it at that. I'm not being in denial over it. You can't PROVE that it's not a bug, it's just your theory, so I find your "accept it" remark rather annoying and condescending. I know Dorian has a lot of nuance, and if I truly believed that this issue was related to that I wouldn't have a problem. But I DO truly believe it is a bug that needs to be fixed.
My cruelty remark was not in Dorian saying one thing or the other, but at your suggestion that he was purposely teasing you with it, which I don't think he would. There is also a difference between intentional teasing, and his usual method of word-barbs which are emotionally spontaneous, foot-in-mouth moments.
Also, you can take the "after" dialog at any time after the relationship starts, so it's not like it's an "after the Temple of Mythal" dialog, as you stated.
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Someone who has Twitter can actually just ask DG to come in here and settle the argument for us. I would except I don't have an account. I would be happier if it weren't a bug honestly, then I could just blissfully look at it in the manner you describe and move on. As it is, Bioware doesn't have the best track record of fixing non-serious bugs, so if it is one I doubt it will be fixed at all.
Would also just point out that at the party he says about surviving and being together and then says "I've decided not to return to Tevinter. For now." So even there he qualifies it with the possibility that at some point in the future he will leave. It is easy to miss that "For now" because of what follows "There's no you in Tevinter." It makes the possibility of leaving a more remote one but it is still there.
Also actually I was wrong about the "after" speech since you can't take it after the Temple of Mythal as the conversation about him returning to Tevinter supercedes it. I was just getting a bit muddled as it is a while since I played it.
I'm sorry if I come across as condescending - so does Dorian at times but like him my hearts in the right place. I just think that if something as important as Dorian's speech is bugged then by now someone should have said something because people do find it upsetting. I did for a long time because it seemed like I was being cheated out of the true Dorian experience. Bearing in mind it is the only thing he says to you post epilogue (apart from a brief comment on who is Divine), it does come as a bit of a downer after all the lovely things he said before at the party. To think that it is simply a mistake on the part of a programmer and that no one had the decency to check it out properly before the game came out and do something about it since is awful. However, from comments that PW made about him playing through being a deliberate bastard to Solas to check that the conversations were working properly, after previously playing through as his romance, (before the game was issued), I presume that all the writers did the same with their character. So DG would have played through and should have picked up on the discrepancy. Did he do so and simply ignore it because he thought it wasn't important? May be next time someone interviews him, they should ask.
^ I'm actually fine with the "for now" addition, and in fact my head-canon does have him returning to Tevinter at some point. My only issue is with the difference in talking or not talking to him at the party affecting his post-game dialog. That's it. Not whether he actually stays or goes, but the fact of talking or not talking to him at the party.
As someone who plays a male elf with their contorted body I'd think you would think differently about bugs and the fixing of them. There are a lot of unfixed bugs in DAO and DA2; some are significant and some aren't. Those will never be fixed.
While I find this particular one to be annoying, I would much rather them fix other bugs that affect gameplay in a significant manner. Even though I don't play a male elf and will never play one, that really should be one of their top priorities for fixing. It is shameful that one gender of a certain race has body problems.
And as I said, I would prefer that this turn out to not be a bug and will then adjust my thinking of the conversation accordingly. But unless I get confirmation otherwise, I will continue to think it.
The male elf body form is not a bug but a design problem. It was even worse in DA2. However, that is something I have leant to live with because I like playing elves. Having a pretty slim physique that was the subject of much mockery when I was younger, I don't find the elf body as objectionable as some people do. In any case my graphics card did an upgrade and then optimised the performance, which resulted in a slightly wider stretch to the screen and as a consequence a better looking elf. So I'm good on that one. May be it looks better on the Devs screen too so they don't understand why people have such a problem. (I'm joking since they can hardly miss the amount of comments and a quick check on You tube would enlighten them).
My point was that both the romance and friend get a different conversation depending on whether they talk to Dorian at the party or not, and this would suggest it is deliberate. Otherwise that means both of them are bugged. I have accepted that whether Dorian stays or goes is ultimately down to the writing team regardless of what he says in game.
Apparently the upcoming DLC is going to focus more on our companions.
I hope the advisers are included in that. They got completely ignored in the Jaws of Hakkon DLC.
I have accepted that whether Dorian stays or goes is ultimately down to the writing team regardless of what he says in game.
I hope the advisers are included in that. They got completely ignored in the Jaws of Hakkon DLC.
Lol... seeing them at the war table wasn't enough for ya? If future DLC are done in a similar manner to JoH, that is, where you use some Power and open up a map, I don't really foresee us getting any more advisor action. We'll see!
They could always be at the main camp of that new region, like Dagna was in Jaws of Hakkon. Maybe even follow as an NPC.
It was mentioned that Leliana's voice actress was recording a while back.
Although it could have been for new multiplayer stuff I guess -- she has lines at the start and end of a match sometimes. I'd like to think it was for upcoming DLC though.
It was mentioned that Leliana's voice actress was recording a while back.
Although it could have been for new multiplayer stuff I guess -- she has lines at the start and end of a match sometimes. I'd like to think it was for upcoming DLC though.
Now I can only picture Dorian attempting to use the Inquisition's Agents to run errands. Like getting books from absurdly well-defended libraries, raiding Venatori wine cellars, and getting the Requisitions agent to stop stalking the Inquisitor.
My hero!
Even if there's nothing to report, she still interrupts banter to say, "Nothing to report." 
Here is a question about Dorian's amulet for you all... If you take the surprise route and then ask Dorian about it, he says that his father noticed it was gone and asked about it. This would seem to suggest that Dorian actually wears it all the time (which I've also seen suggested in some fanart), rather than just has it as something that he keeps with him. There is also his romance tarot card, but that is highly stylized and I only partially count it.
I'm coming at this from the perspective of a person that does NOT wear jewelry. When I used to wear it in my younger years it was only while going out. So I suppose my question is directed at those who do wear it all the time... And that is: do you wear it all the time? Sleeping, bathing, sexy times, etc? And do you think that Dorian wears his amulet all the time, or at least puts it on as part of his morning routine?
Here is a question about Dorian's amulet for you all... If you take the surprise route and then ask Dorian about it, he says that his father noticed it was gone and asked about it. This would seem to suggest that Dorian actually wears it all the time (which I've also seen suggested in some fanart), rather than just has it as something that he keeps with him. There is also his romance tarot card, but that is highly stylized and I only partially count it.
I'm coming at this from the perspective of a person that does NOT wear jewelry. When I used to wear it in my younger years it was only while going out. So I suppose my question is directed at those who do wear it all the time... And that is: do you wear it all the time? Sleeping, bathing, sexy times, etc? And do you think that Dorian wears his amulet all the time, or at least puts it on as part of his morning routine?
Yes, specially when it's something that have personal value. In my case is a necklace that my mother gave to me when she hospitalized for the first time, it was wore by my grandmother before her. It worries me to lose it or forget where did i let it. Even if sometimes can be a bit annoying i want it to be with me everytime and everywhere.
I'm not sure if the value for Dorian would be the same, but i could see him wearing it almost all the time. For now we know that he doesn't wear it during sex.
Now I can only picture Dorian attempting to use the Inquisition's Agents to run errands. Like getting books from absurdly well-defended libraries, raiding Venatori wine cellars, and getting the Requisitions agent to stop stalking the Inquisitor.
There is an objective to retrieve ancient scrolls that comes up a lot.
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