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I don't blame Dorian for being miserable in Emprise du Lion, hiking through the snow is awful (Did we ever figure how/why everything froze over in the middle of Spring/Summer?)


The flash freeze is never explained. I've never found any evidence that any sort of magical source was hinted at either, just that it was a freak occurrence that happened.

That said, I don't think we can really judge what season we're supposed to be in. All of the zones/maps have different climates, even ones that are relatively near each other -- Emprise du Lion, Emerald Graves, Exalted Plains. And too, the game takes place -- at the very least -- over a period of a few months, so there would be some shift in the seasons, but the game's design and developer decisions makes it difficult to tell how much time has passed, let alone the season.

I do wish they would add time references. I don't think they need to add an elaborate day/night system or a calendar, or anything like that, but some random dialog references here or there after major mission completion would be nice. BUT I do understand that they do that because DAI, like DAO, is mostly non-linear. Some time ago after DG made his errant tweet referencing time that got ran away with there was a large thread discussing this, referencing travel times and such. It was pretty entertaining.

 

One thing that I wish that we could ask about is one of his comments on the Magisterium: "They think that the Qunari can be defeated". Considering that Dorian's from a city that's been routinely attacked/invaded by the Qunari he's probably lived through events similar to what happened in Kirkwall (possibly from a young age) it would make sense that they appear to be unstoppable.

Calpernia's short story in WoT2 and other remarks in DAI suggest that the Imperium could possibly push back if they weren't constantly fighting amongst themselves. Even on Iron Bull's side of things, the Ariqun doesn't seem very interested in committing to anything beyond the current skirmishes.


Yes, certainly. The Imperium is slowly killing themselves because, like many leaders in the real-world, they can't see or don't care enough about the future beyond their own selves to do anything about it.
 
I'm reminded of Alexius's Codex entry, which is a good indicator of his mentality and shows the type of (positive) influence he likely had over Dorian as well as why Dorian admired him so much:
 

Lords and ladies of the Magisterium, before we vote on the budget for this latest measure against the Qunari, I would ask that we take a moment to consider the state of our institutions of higher learning.

The Circle of Minrathous is more than ten thousand years old. Darinius the Dreamer himself was born within those walls. It continues to be a source of wisdom and guidance for the best and brightest of the Imperium's youth. Yet it falls into disrepair.

Magister Aurarius has made her case several times for increased funding to the Circles, and as yet, her appeals have gone unanswered. Magister Viren has spoken at length on the threat of the oxmen in the north—a tide of brutality that we alone hold back. Let me add this: how shall we defeat the Qunari? How have we held back their advance all these long years without support from the other nations of Thedas? You know the answer: magic. It is our magic that holds the beasts at bay, and through the ingenuity of our magic we will drive them from our shores forever.

My friends and colleagues, this is the battle we prepare our apprentices, sons, and daughters to face. They need the resources to discover new magic, new techniques, that can lend us an advantage in this endless war. They cannot do this while roofs crumble over their heads. Repair the Circles; let the Imperium's future be more than slow decline to the marching steps of legions.

—An address by Magister Alexius to the Magisterium, taken from the official minutes in 9:39 Dragon


Here we see a forward thinker, which seems sadly lacking in the Magisterium, and just adds another element of misfortune that it lost such a member.

 

Although the two men have different priorities in their personal lives, I think it's also easy to see why (according to WoT Vol. 2) Alexius and Halward are friends; I think they have the same mentality when it comes to the Imperium, even if one of them is more mired in its traditional aspects than the other. Dorian wasn't raised in a vacuum, and both of these men had a strong influence on his opinions and beliefs regarding the Imperium, magic, and being a mage.
 
 

Plus if Seheron and the Arishok are anything to go off of non Ben-Hesserath Qunari kind of break down and stop functioning mentally if they can complete or receive orders. They remind me a lot of the Dominion from DS9. Any kind of occupation or long-term war away from their territory would either require a more robust command structure or long range communications.


I imagine that if any sort of long-term occupation were planned that they would probably send along Ben-Hassrath in order to begin conversion of the local populace and so on, like we see in the comic flashbacks of Isabela's childhood.



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Dorian is a beautiful creature.
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Dorian is a beautiful creature.

He is like a deer with a mustache. :wub:

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@Joe why is that adorable and why do I agree?
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@Joe why is that adorable and why do I agree?

Because 88% of the time you put a mustache on something it turns in to Dorian. Also, Dorian running naked through a glade is just a majestic mental picture. :wub:

 

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^ Lol the actual whiskers really add to the whole thing.



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So in addition to the glory that is Rafa Rech this thread has also introduced me to durians. I kinda want one. They look terribly intimidating for fruit.

 

 

 

So, complete hypothetical, but do you guys think IF the new DA game is set in Tevinter that Dorian will be the carry over companion? If  not a companion do you think he'd be there anyway?


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So in addition to the glory that is Rafa Rech this thread has also introduced me to durians. I kinda want one. They look terribly intimidating for fruit.

 

 

 

So, complete hypothetical, but do you guys think IF the new DA game is set in Tevinter that Dorian will be the carry over companion? If  not a companion do you think he'd be there anyway?

 

So in addition to the glory that is Rafa Rech this thread has also introduced me to durians. I kinda want one. They look terribly intimidating for fruit.

 

 

 

So, complete hypothetical, but do you guys think IF the new DA game is set in Tevinter that Dorian will be the carry over companion? If  not a companion do you think he'd be there anyway?

I think and hope there's a decent shot. Bull has the possibility of being Tal-Vashoth, which throws a wrench in his returning. I imagine Varric is looking forward to a peaceful retirement, writing novels in the Hanged Man. And we've had two dwarf and one human male mage carry-overs so far, and Dorian fits. :D They'd probably go the Hero of Ferelden route, with Dorian on business for the Inquisition and writing letters back home if befriended or romanced.


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The idea of Dorian writing love letters makes me picture this:

"Ugh. Far too sappy, any sweeter and I'll have to go retch in the corner."

"Whatever you do, do not open that letter. It's...personal and quite likely to blind anyone who reads it."

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So in addition to the glory that is Rafa Rech this thread has also introduced me to durians. I kinda want one. They look terribly intimidating for fruit.

 

 

 

So, complete hypothetical, but do you guys think IF the new DA game is set in Tevinter that Dorian will be the carry over companion? If  not a companion do you think he'd be there anyway?

 

I'm pretty sure he'll be there one way or another, and if they decided to continue the returning companion pattern. he's the most obvious choice. Really the only two that can come back in more than a cameo are Dorian and Sera because everyone else has such widely disparate out comes at the end of the game. The player really doesn't have any major influence over those two. 


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So in addition to the glory that is Rafa Rech this thread has also introduced me to durians. I kinda want one. They look terribly intimidating for fruit.
 
 
 
So, complete hypothetical, but do you guys think IF the new DA game is set in Tevinter that Dorian will be the carry over companion? If  not a companion do you think he'd be there anyway?


As I understand it durians are a love/hate kinda fruit, particularly regarding the smell.
 
 

I'm pretty sure he'll be there one way or another, and if they decided to continue the returning companion pattern. he's the most obvious choice. Really the only two that can come back in more than a cameo are Dorian and Sera because everyone else has such widely disparate out comes at the end of the game. The player really doesn't have any major influence over those two.

 
While I agree with (Disgusted noise.) and also would love to see Dorian again, I'm really reluctant to have him written in any great capacity by anyone other than David Gaider. Having him written by someone else in further DAI DLC is one thing, but actual game companions are something else entirely. Even if Dorian says Dorian-y things, there is that personal touch that comes through with the character that I think would be lacking.
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For reasons which got way too long, I'd prefer to eschew recurring character appearances of *any* characters. I loved Loghain's reappearance, hated both Hawke and Alistair's reappearance, and felt that Leliana's was interesting but also so bugged (as per usual for poor Leli) that it would have been better to create a new character for the specific purpose they wanted for that element of the story.

However, I also haven't put any art in here in a while (quelle horror), so I'm going to sneak some in. So there.

Hussar military uniform Dorian:

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And under spoiler due to happy trail appearance, Dorian in the female version of skimpy Qunari armor from the DLC:

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And under spoiler due to happy trail appearance, Dorian in the female version of skimpy Qunari armor from the DLC:

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That... actually looks better on him than the male version. I really like the gold strappy things. Ahh that happy trail... makes me lament the lack of body hair in the actual game. Head-canon ftw.

And for the gazillionth time I wish that I could draw. Although if I could I would probably just be drawing Dorian all day long until I got sick of looking at him.
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For reasons which got way too long, I'd prefer to eschew recurring character appearances of *any* characters. I loved Loghain's reappearance, hated both Hawke and Alistair's reappearance, and felt that Leliana's was interesting but also so bugged (as per usual for poor Leli) that it would have been better to create a new character for the specific purpose they wanted for that element of the story.

However, I also haven't put any art in here in a while (quelle horror), so I'm going to sneak some in. So there.

Hussar military uniform Dorian:

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And under spoiler due to happy trail appearance, Dorian in the female version of skimpy Qunari armor from the DLC:

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Dorian does kind of look like Tsar Nicholas the second. All Dorian needs to do is not shave for three months and they could be twins.

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No... he really doesn't. (Apologies if you were joking, internet at all that.)

 

To be honest I don't see a resemblance with most of the real individuals that have been posted in the thread and tend to think that people are focusing too heavily on the facial hair and not his actual features.

 

This is also true of a lot of fanart, but as a lot of that comes down to artistic styling I can more easily overlook a lot of it. Some artists are also not consistent with themselves, and I feel that some of their pieces look more like Dorian than others, which may or not be intentional.

 

Dorian has a strong jaw and narrow chin, well-defined cheekbones, plump lips that are naturally dark with a Cupid's bow, an aquiline nose, full straight eyebrows that turn down at the end and frame sharp gray eyes. The eyes and eyebrows, and occasionally the mouth, are really what pull me in and make or break a piece for me.

 

I think that some artists tend to soften him up a bit according to their own preference and general style. Even though he was joking with Cassandra, when he says, "Look at this profile. Isn't it incredible? I picture it in marble," I think he is being accurate, even as he was being facetiously egotistical (I think this is my new go-to description for him), regarding his chiseled features. But in the end I get to look at Dorian, even if highly stylized, so it's all good.


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Yeah I was joking off of the color choice for the uniform.  If wanted to use something with a sharper jaw line I would have used the cartoon Tsar Nicholas the 2nd.

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You know what Dorian looks like? Sex. 


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That military uniform one is amazing. Holy crap.



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Yeah I was joking off of the color choice for the uniform.  If wanted to use something with a sharper jaw line I would have used the cartoon Tsar Nicholas the 2nd.

  60acb987a01f7d24531d98596bb94b4e.jpg

 

Ahaha... at least this one has the nose. Is that from Anastasia? Rofl...

 

 

 

You know what Dorian looks like? Sex. 

 

Well I try not to get too carried away because I don't want to be like some of those creepy tumblr people, but yeah... pretty much. It's quite amusing actually. Even though I prefer darker, more swarthy types, when I first saw him I thought he looked ridiculous, particularly with the facial hair, but now (after actually getting to know him) I think he's completely gorgeous.

 

I can't believe it took three games to get a dark-haired male romance option, and we get two (Blackwall is not for me, but he's there nonetheless... and er I guess Bull sort of counts going by the stubble/eyebrow hair).

 

 

I still don't think his official website pic is very flattering. Maybe it's the green, or the image quality, I dunno, really.

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That military uniform one is amazing. Holy crap.

 

And I think he actually wouldn't mind wearing that one, as opposed to the horrendous Winter Palace one...

 

 

Dorian: “Well, look on the bright side: at least we don’t have to wear masks.”

Inquisitor: “But we do have those uniforms…”

Dorian: “Aren’t you in charge around here?”

Inquisitor: “Believe me, I was firmly overridden. I didn’t get to pick colors or anything.”

Dorian: “Poor you. I’ll just be avoiding mirrors so I don’t have to see myself in it. There isn’t nearly enough draping fabric for my taste.”

Inquisitor: “Or snakes.”

Dorian: “I like my snakes.”

Inquisitor: “I like them too, especially when you’re not wearing them.”


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Ahaha... at least this one has the nose. Is that from Anastasia? Rofl...

 

 

 

 

Well I try not to get too carried away because I don't want to be like some of those creepy tumblr people, but yeah... pretty much. It's quite amusing actually. Even though I prefer darker, more swarthy types, when I first saw him I thought he looked ridiculous, particularly with the facial hair, but now (after actually getting to know him) I think he's completely gorgeous.

 

I can't believe it took three games to get a dark-haired male romance option, and we get two (Blackwall is not for me, but he's there nonetheless... and er I guess Bull sort of counts going by the stubble/eyebrow hair).

 

 

I still don't think his official website pic is very flattering. Maybe it's the green, or the image quality, I dunno, really.

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No... he really doesn't. (Apologies if you were joking, internet at all that.)
 
To be honest I don't see a resemblance with most of the real individuals that have been posted in the thread and tend to think that people are focusing too heavily on the facial hair and not his actual features.
 
This is also true of a lot of fanart, but as a lot of that comes down to artistic styling I can more easily overlook a lot of it. Some artists are also not consistent with themselves, and I feel that some of their pieces look more like Dorian than others, which may or not be intentional.
 
Dorian has a strong jaw and narrow chin, well-defined cheekbones, plump lips that are naturally dark with a Cupid's bow, an aquiline nose, full straight eyebrows that turn down at the end and frame sharp gray eyes. The eyes and eyebrows, and occasionally the mouth, are really what pull me in and make or break a piece for me.
 
I think that some artists tend to soften him up a bit according to their own preference and general style. Even though he was joking with Cassandra, when he says, "Look at this profile. Isn't it incredible? I picture it in marble," I think he is being accurate, even as he was being facetiously egotistical (I think this is my new go-to description for him), regarding his chiseled features. But in the end I get to look at Dorian, even if highly stylized, so it's all good.


Speaking of that banter:

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^ Lol...

 

I always wish my Inquisitor could chime in when she says, "You're not as handsome as you think, Dorian," with, "Yes he is!" At which she would respond with, "Don't encourage him!" and Dorian would just chuckle and continue the banter as normal.

 

As an aside, I think listening to the banter outside of the game sounds odd for some reason. It doesn't seem to have the same vibe.

 

 

And somewhat related, it would be nice if the cinematic dialog were a bit more dynamic and could take into account previous scenes. One specific example I have is the Dorian/Cullen chess scene. If you pick the middle dialog option, "Are you two playing nice?" Dorian responds, "I'm always nice." I find this amusing because it is in direct opposition -- in typical Dorian fashion -- to his quarters scene walk up where he says, "I am, however, not a nice man."

 

So, during the chess scene, if you've had that previous encounter I would love an auto-dialog of the Inquisitor saying, "I seem to recall you saying otherwise." Going further than that would be rude in front of a third-party not in on the joke, so I imagine that Dorian would just smile and move on.

 

The opposite could be true if you've had the chess scene first, but I think that would ruin the flow of the quarters dialog.



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I guess it would depend on what kind of "nice" you were talking about.
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So, someone has made a mod where they're working on removing the shine from a bunch of people and they recently added Dorian. I personally won't use it as I don't like to use significant texture alterations, particularly of followers, unless the alteration is "fixing" something that looks legitimately bad (see my Fenris markings mod).
 
 
I'm not quite sure about this look for Dorian. I think it makes him look a bit older? And now I think he needs some lip gloss. Also, I think some of the romance scenes might look a bit off if your Inquisitor is still shiny, particularly if he has darker skin as mine does, if Dorian himself is less shiny.
 
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At any rate, posted for anyone who might be interested.


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To the void with that shadow banding crap. >.<