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[Dr. Doctor]

"Plague of Bees" DLC: This Fall, you're going to need a bigger jar.

One thought on The Descent, given what we learned about lyrium technically both forms of enhancing magical power are blood magic.

[Gervaise]

I think the most disappointing thing about the DLC was the complete lack of reaction from the characters when we hit the area with all the lyrium, but particularly Dorian (Vivienne wasn't with me).    There are literally rivers and seas of lyrium.   Back in Asunder, just opening up a jar of the stuff makes music that the mages can hear.   So Dorian should have been getting seriously spaced out but not to even go "Wow, look at it all!", or makes some comment about it being a Black Divine's wet dream?     And as pointed out above, in the main game Dorian has something to say about practically everywhere you go, even if it is mostly to complain.    Come to think of it though, was it the dwarf or Dorian who suggested it might not be best to jump in the stuff?  

 

I took Dorian, Cole and Cassandra with me on first run.   Now I'm going back with my mage Inquisitor, Dorian (best friend), Blackwall (because of the darkspawn) and Varric.    As I guessed, Varric does seem to have more to say for himself.

[Dr. Doctor]

I think the most disappointing thing about the DLC was the complete lack of reaction from the characters when we hit the area with all the lyrium, but particularly Dorian (Vivienne wasn't with me).    There are literally rivers and seas of lyrium.   Back in Asunder, just opening up a jar of the stuff makes music that the mages can hear.   So Dorian should have been getting seriously spaced out but not to even go "Wow, look at it all!", or makes some comment about it being a Black Divine's wet dream?     And as pointed out above, in the main game Dorian has something to say about practically everywhere you go, even if it is mostly to complain.    Come to think of it though, was it the dwarf or Dorian who suggested it might not be best to jump in the stuff?  
 
I took Dorian, Cole and Cassandra with me on first run.   Now I'm going back with my mage Inquisitor, Dorian (best friend), Blackwall (because of the darkspawn) and Varric.    As I guessed, Varric does seem to have more to say for himself.

He does remark how the lyrium veins looks like the night sky. Either that or he's giving the Inquisitor the silent treatment for dragging him down into the Darkspawn-filled depths of the earth.

[Gervaise]

Let's be honest about it, the companions do not have a great deal to say in either DLC but some do have more than others at specific points.   The Decent DLC seems to be there specifically to introduce a new race and possible future plot development.    This could also be said to be true of JoH, plus giving some intriguing historical facts as well.    It was also made apparent in the Decent that the Shaparate, like the Chantry, are selective in their recording of history and aren't above removing elements that are politically inconvenient, so there is likely to be a great deal of dwarven history yet to be revealed.      So we've had reveals about the ancient elves, hints about the ancient dwarves, revelations about Chantry history, including plenty of information on WoT2 that basically casts doubt on everything we had previously believed (if in fact you ever did), so that leaves the Qunari left for a bit of myth shattering.    Mind you the ridiculously OTT Spoils of the Qunari had pretty much already done that for me.   Still Bull's hints that there may have been some sort of cross species mating is no doubt something that will be expanded upon, sooner rather than later I hope.

 

My money is still on either Dorian or Bull (or both) being the companions most likely to be brought back in a future instalment, which hopefully will be set in Tevinter.   I've always been interested in the place but even more so after Dorian's glowing endorsement of his culture that he considers worth preserving.    I'd settle for travelling around Tevinter with Dorian as my guide.

[Dr. Doctor]

Given all of the events going on in the South after Inquisition I'd be willing to bet that we'll be moving north to see the whole Qunari/Tevinter conflict. Or given how ambiguous Calpernia's fate is, we could see her return to the Imperium in an attempt to reform it.

While Inquisition was fun, I'd like to see another "small", character-driven story like DA2. You could use DAI's open-world concept to simulate a city like Minrathous and use some of Frostbite's more advanced features to make the area seem more "alive" than Kirkwall. Plus, if Dorian's dialogue is anything to go off of there are areas of the city that date back to the ancient Imperium that could break up any visual monotony.

[madzilla84]

Hello Dorian thread - I doubt anyone who got one would ever want to sell theirs, especially people who frequent this thread, but on the off-chance anyone ever wants to part with one of the long sold-out Dorian lithographs, I am looking to buy one. I'm happy to pay postage from anywhere.

[nightscrawl]

Geez the Dorian thread has been dead lately. Inspired by a post elsewhere, here is a discussion topic for you all...

 

For this let's just assume that Dorian will go back to Tevinter at some point, whether it's a year after the events of DAI or whenever. Let us also assume that he and the Inquisitor are still in their relationship. How do you think Dorian would react to the parting once he's actually gone and in Tevinter? How would he change, if at all? What would his behavior be?

 

Keep in mind that the political environment of Tevinter is extremely toxic, and he will be wading back into those snake-infested bushes once he's there. Even though he's razor-sharp and competent in that area, it's not something he enjoys (see his "getting to know you" dialogue), like Vivienne, and it's also not something he's had to deal with during the Inquisition and his time away from Tevinter.

[Dr. Doctor]

Well, looks like the new DLC trailer answers a few questions about what happens with Dorian. Looks like he's still there two years after the end of the main game.

And it would appear that the reason why the Qunari hadn't attempted to launch a full-scale invasion into Seheron is because they were busy finding a way into the Eluvian network.

[tklivory]

It also says that you (ie, the Inquisitor) will need to 'gather your team'. That could imply that he could go to Tevinter and come back, conceivably. We know that Dorian is with the Inquisition during the DLC events. That doesn't necessarily mean he's in Skyhold for those two years.

[Dr. Doctor]

"You're back?"

"Of course I'm back, I obviously can't leave you alone for five minutes without some kind of mess springing up. Such a bother."

"Well you did tell me not to kill anything without you."

"A fair point."

[phyreblade74]

[Reznore57]

Well finally I may be able to nuke the Inquisition and my Dalish may be able to go back to the woods.

Wonder how it's going to end up with Dorianbear , I doubt the "Let's go frolick together happily among the trees forever" would excite him much.

But with this being the last piece of DLC , well maybe I'll have the dreaded break up moment .If I can do it...I mean I wanted to do the whole "I understand you have to go back to Tevinter " then he went puppy eyes "And there you go breaking my heart ..." and I had to reload.

Just the thought of Dorian , in Tevinter , with his rebellious idea of let's face our failures and move on....I'm so scared he's going to get himself killed.

[Arshei]

The romance with Dorian is good for a canon?
I want to try his romance, i only played with Cullen, but i don't know, he doesn't seems too much... romantic.

[nightscrawl]

It also says that you (ie, the Inquisitor) will need to 'gather your team'. That could imply that he could go to Tevinter and come back, conceivably. We know that Dorian is with the Inquisition during the DLC events. That doesn't necessarily mean he's in Skyhold for those two years.

 

This is what I was wondering too. We'll have to see, won't we? Looks like I'll be avoiding everything DA related after Sep 8, since I'm neurotic and will have to play the entire game straight through, which will take a bit of time.

 

 

[edit]

I think I will have to make a hard save before the Mythal choice to see how that works out and if it affects the Dorian presentation. I'm also wondering if the party talk vs no-talk issue will influence this at all.

[nightscrawl]

The romance with Dorian is good for a canon?
I want to try his romance, i only played with Cullen, but i don't know, he doesn't seems too much... romantic.

 
Erm... well it's difficult to say. It really varies based on taste. Since you've played the game already you know about his story arc. The romance adds to that in a way that the friend-path doesn't show. Dorian can be guarded and closed off, and doesn't express his feelings well, but there are really sweet moments that make it all worthwhile (to me at any rate). But if you're looking for a guy to sweep you off your feet, OR you want to be the one to do the sweeping, I'm not sure the Dorian romance is for you, because it doesn't play out that way. He takes some work, but he's worth it.

[Arshei]

 
Erm... well it's difficult to say. It really varies based on taste. Since you've played the game already you know about his story arc. The romance adds to that in a way that the friend-path doesn't show. Dorian can be guarded and closed off, and doesn't express his feelings well, but there are really sweet moments that make it all worthwhile (to me at any rate). But if you're looking for a guy to sweep you off your feet, OR you want to be the one to do the sweeping, I'm not sure the Dorian romance is for you, because it doesn't play out that way. He takes some work, but he's worth it.

 

My character in the romance is passive or active?

[nightscrawl]

Uh... well, that's difficult to answer as well because the game makes you pursue the LI -- no matter who it is -- via flirting and whatnot. But I will say that there are a couple of scenes where your character can be passive, or not, depending on your dialog choice. This particular romance is very fluid and can be played out different ways and have a different tone based on your choices.

 

I have a feeling that I'm not responding in the way that you want, but with this particular romance it's really based on your own choices and if you like the character and want to explore a deeper part of him*, then I do suggest that you just play it out and pick the choices that seem right to you.

 

Here is one non-spoilery hint:

* If you want to be active, after the Halward tavern scene pick the heart option.

* If you want to be passive, skip the above heart, and pick the heart in the following Mother Giselle conversation instead.

 

 

* I know someone is going to single this out, innuendo not intentional.

[Elfroot]

The romance with Dorian is good for a canon?
I want to try his romance, i only played with Cullen, but i don't know, he doesn't seems too much... romantic.

 

Frankly I found the Cullen romance quite romantic (I have to admit, I haven't played them all), but the Dorian one is still my favourite. You get to see a sweeter side of him and he's quite the gooey marshmallow underneath all that sass.

[devSin]

It also says that you (ie, the Inquisitor) will need to 'gather your team'. That could imply that he could go to Tevinter and come back, conceivably. We know that Dorian is with the Inquisition during the DLC events. That doesn't necessarily mean he's in Skyhold for those two years.

Mike very much framed it as getting to find out what everyone has been up to since you last saw them (post-main game), but that they more or less have a reason to team up again (unless they didn't like you enough; some characters won't show up at all depending on your relationship with them at the end of the game).

No other details, but it sounds like a lot of the team went their separate ways (and we'll get to see the new Divine in action).

Patrick was thanking writers from other projects for coming back to write their Inquisition characters for Trespasser; he mentioned Luke by name, but I'm really hoping David came back to write Dorian and Cassandra. As has been noted here, I felt Dorian's characterization in Descent was odd (too much effervescence), and I'd really love for the original writer to get the final word on who these characters are.

[Fredward]

The romance with Dorian is good for a canon?
I want to try his romance, i only played with Cullen, but i don't know, he doesn't seems too much... romantic.

 

If you didn't find Cullen's romance romantic enough I imagine your only hopes would be: Cassandra's or Solas' (if you liked doomed romance).
 

 

 

In honor of there FINALLY being a DLC I actually want to play I will be doing my Ultimate Final (for a looong while at least) Super Duper Fully Done Playthrough of Wonder. And it'll be with a qunari. Finally. There was a brief struggle over who would fit this DLC better (and I just loooove stealing the empire as an elf) but then I realized I have two perfectly good candidates to pick up the torch and cover the DLC if I so choose. It's finally the QunQuisitor's time to shine. Somewhat awkward animations notwithstanding.

 

EDIT:

 

Almost forgot to add: hopefully some new LI scenes in this. The Quisie seems stressed and requires comfort in the form of snuggles Master Pavus.

[Arshei]

If you didn't find Cullen's romance romantic enough I imagine your only hopes would be: Cassandra's or Solas' (if you liked doomed romance).
 

 

 

In honor of there FINALLY being a DLC I actually want to play I will be doing my Ultimate Final (for a looong while at least) Super Duper Fully Done Playthrough of Wonder. And it'll be with a qunari. Finally. There was a brief struggle over who would fit this DLC better (and I just loooove stealing the empire as an elf) but then I realized I have two perfectly good candidates to pick up the torch and cover the DLC if I so choose. It's finally the QunQuisitor's time to shine. Somewhat awkward animations notwithstanding.

 

EDIT:

 

Almost forgot to add: hopefully some new LI scenes in this. The Quisie seems stressed and requires comfort in the form of snuggles Master Pavus.

 

I loved Cullen, but i wanted a romance without "the mages doesn't deserve to be treated like people" hurts me.

Maybe i found Dorian more interesting and less... "hater"

[nightscrawl]

Frankly I found the Cullen romance quite romantic...

If you didn't find Cullen's romance romantic enough...

I thought with that comment that the person was saying that the only romance they've done so far has been the Cullen one, and wasn't sure whether to go with Dorian because Dorian doesn't seem very romantic. If the comparison is to the Cullen romance, I can see how that would follow, given their very different approach.
 
The Cullen romance is very open. Even though the Inquisitor has to initiate (with the flirting and the actual starting of the romance), there is much discussion of feelings and so forth. But Dorian isn't that way, even though it IS obvious that he cares very much. You have to suss out his true meaning from his tone and manner and look, and understand why he behaves that way; the brushes off, the self-deprecatory remarks.
 
Dorian IS romantic inside, and that does manage to come out on rare occasions, and he wants the romance. And of course I certainly don't deny that there are moments during the romance that turn me into a puddle of goo. But he's not open and has good reason to be so. This is why I said that his romance takes work and that you have to appreciate the facets of the character in order to fully appreciate it and for your own PC to get the most out of it, emotionally speaking.
 
One of the reasons I like the character and the romance so much is because Dorian is very much his own person. A relationship with the Inquisitor is reparative and is something that he wants and needs. But no matter how important the Inquisitor is to him, whether as a lover or a friend, it's not the end-all, be-all in his life.
 
The Dorian romance isn't for everyone. Just as the Iron Bull, Solas, Josephine or any other romance isn't for everyone. But if it is, then it REALLY is, and there is a huge payoff for that player, I think.
 
 
 

I loved Cullen, but i wanted a romance without "the mages doesn't deserve to be treated like people" hurts me.
Maybe i found Dorian more interesting and less... "hater"

 
Cullen has had a lot of growth in that regard from DAO, DA2, and now into DAI. My first play of the game was as a fem mage who romanced him and I didn't really get that vibe. He acknowledges his past mistakes and so forth, and you can even mention your mage-ness with him as a dialogue option. It's really a matter of perspective, I guess.

[Arshei]

Cullen has had a lot of growth in that regard from DAO, DA2, and now into DAI. My first play of the game was as a fem mage who romanced him and I didn't really get that vibe. He acknowledges his past mistakes and so forth, and you can even mention your mage-ness with him as a dialog option. It's really a matter of perspective, I guess.

 

I feel like a Jewish in a romance with Hitler when i played my Trevelyan mage with Cullen

[Arshei]

Uh... well, that's difficult to answer as well because the game makes you pursue the LI -- no matter who it is -- via flirting and whatnot. But I will say that there are a couple of scenes where your character can be passive, or not, depending on your dialog choice. This particular romance is very fluid and can be played out different ways and have a different tone based on your choices.

 

I have a feeling that I'm not responding in the way that you want, but with this particular romance it's really based on your own choices and if you like the character and want to explore a deeper part of him*, then I do suggest that you just play it out and pick the choices that seem right to you.

 

Here is one non-spoilery hint:

* If you want to be active, after the Halward tavern scene pick the heart option.

* If you want to be passive, skip the above heart, and pick the heart in the following Mother Giselle conversation instead.

 

 

* I know someone is going to single this out, innuendo not intentional.

 

I'm talking about sex

[madzilla84]

I'm really wondering if the post-game returned-vs-stayed bug, about when/where you talk to him etc, will affect this DLC. I actually haven't *quite* finished my canon/Dorianmancing playthrough and so am hoping I manage to get the 'Dorian stays' ending. (I said I wanted him to stay post-Mythal, so if I talk to him at the party but *not* post end credits I should be ok...? Is that right?)

 

I wonder if there'll be different content for a Dorian who stayed vs who left, or if maybe he always goes back and then returns? That'd be kind of a shame given the game offers you two endings, but then again we would get a reunion scene, which are my favourite things ever.

 

Well, I'll be spending the next 9 days in a state of constant terror as to whether both my Quizzy and Dorian will survive the events of the DLC. THEY HAD BETTER. Can't wait for the new companion/LI content, though!