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[The Oracle]

They did say that, depending on the choices you made and whether you forged a friendship or not, some characters may not appear at all to help you/ They may not have the connection needed to care about your fate or pull them back from the new lives they've forged. Could be Dorian is one of those characters.

[nightscrawl]

I'm talking about sex

Well I didn't really want to just assume that... But from the various scenes the sexual role -- top, bottom, versatile/either -- is not specified. There are some lines that can be taken either way. You can read them however you want and head-canon your own PC's sexual relationship with Dorian in whatever way you want.

[nightscrawl]

I'm really wondering if the post-game returned-vs-stayed bug, about when/where you talk to him etc, will affect this DLC. I actually haven't *quite* finished my canon/Dorianmancing playthrough and so am hoping I manage to get the 'Dorian stays' ending. (I said I wanted him to stay post-Mythal, so if I talk to him at the party but *not* post end credits I should be ok...? Is that right?)

To clarify: Assuming all other variables are the same, during the post-Mythal dialogue if you pick the "I need you" (stay) option, and DO talk to him at the party, the post-game dialog will bug out and be the incorrect "return to Tevinter" setup; if you do NOT talk to him at the party, the post-game dialog will be the correct "staying down south" setup.

 

However, keep in mind that when you talk to him at the party and he tells you that you he will stay, he does offer the caveat "for now." This can certainly be the devs "out" for doing whatever they want with the character, so take that as you will. This bug aside, I'm thinking that this "for now" backdoor would apply to future games, and not DLC for DAI since we have the decisions right there in the same game to influence things.

 

They did also say that they would be releasing a bug-fix patch, so hopefully this is one of those that will be fixed. Since this also influences the unlocking of the DAKeep tiles, it's really something that needs fixing. But, just to be sure I would do a hard save at the party before talking to anyone, then you can work things out however you want.

 

 

[edit]

What kind of annoys me about this is that it seems we're still going to be stuck with our mostly-dead Skyhold and only get transported to some new area after we take the DLC war table mission, which.... kinda sucks. I'm assuming that in the new area there will be some sort of staging location (Halamshiral?) where we might get to freely talk to our followers and get some new dialogue, but I'd much prefer it have been from Skyhold instead. Ah well...

[madzilla84]

Hmm. So it's definitely the 'talking at the party' that bugs it out rather than the post-endgame talk? I'll go with the not-talking at either for my Trespasser save, then, just to be on the safe side. But yeah, I definitely hope it's included in the bug fixes.

[NoRmAnDy-SR2]

I'm really wondering if the post-game returned-vs-stayed bug, about when/where you talk to him etc, will affect this DLC. I actually haven't *quite* finished my canon/Dorianmancing playthrough and so am hoping I manage to get the 'Dorian stays' ending. (I said I wanted him to stay post-Mythal, so if I talk to him at the party but *not* post end credits I should be ok...? Is that right?)

 

I'm a little worried about this bug too. Haven't talked with Dorian at the party just to be safe.

[Gervaise]

I'm wondering if they are going to hedge round the stay/not stay bit because of that caveat "for now".   So 2 years down the line Dorian could have gone back to Tevinter whether he said he was going to stay or not, even if only for a brief visit.    I used my original save post talking at party for both JoH and Descent, so will be rather sad if I have to go back and go from party again to get the "right" dialogue (if any), since I will then lose a lot of cool equipment, including my custom crafted dragon slayer armour for Dorian.

 

My big fear since this is going to be the last instalment is that our hero will die at the end of it.   I really hope that isn't the case, particularly if they do a funeral scene like DAO with Dorian instead of Zevran.   When I saw the heartbreak on Zevran's face I knew I would never be able to use that save in any future games.   So I couldn't do that to Dorian willingly.   

[Fredward]

Yeah. So. Slight maybe spoiler (it's a picture of someone we've never seen before with no context) below:

 

Spoiler

 

 

This lady looks like she peeled Dorian's face, had it cured and is now wearing it as a eye-patch/mask/hair accessory and I don't know how I should feel about that.

 

 

I hope they made Dorian go actually, it fits the dynamic I have in my head better.

[Gervaise]

Where did that come from?   She even seems to be wearing Dorian style clothes.    Creepy.     Not really bothered though.   Just posted so that Dorian will move back on to page 1.

[devSin]

That's Dorian inside of the Inquisitor.

I believe the panel was about testing Inquisition and silly bugs and horror stories that cropped up along the way.

[Fredward]

That's Dorian inside of the Inquisitor.

 

Oh ho ho.

 

I believe the panel was about testing Inquisition and silly bugs and horror stories that cropped up along the way.

 

Oh.

[Gervaise]

Have just discovered a strange thing with my saves.    I have 2 Dorian romances but only one where I have done both DLC.    So I was thinking about using the other one as my fall back version if the romance viz a viz Dorian saying he will stay doesn't transfer correctly to the new DLC.    I reloaded just before talking to Dorian at the party, ignored him and retired to my quarters.    So when I talk to him after the end credits I ought to be getting the "warmer close to the fire" speech but I still get the original one about "just a little longer then".   Then I backtracked to a party save on my other more recent complete run through romance with Dorian, did the same and I did get the "warmer close to the fire" speech.    So simply not talking at the party did not seem sufficient to trigger the alternative speech and now I'm confused since the only difference between these two romance runs is that on the second one I overlooked talking about the future with him.   

 

I really hope it is not going to make any difference to the dialogue in the new DLC because I really don't want to have to ignore my game play in the other DLC and yet it would appear that my canon run is the only one I can work with if it does.

[madzilla84]

I think that what you say in the post-What Pride Had Wrought scene makes a difference - did you tell him to go or stay in the first one?

Seeing as you said you skipped that convo in the 2nd and he said he would stay, it sounds like that's the 'default', which is interesting.

The whole thing is a mess. I *really* hope they fix it in the patch, otherwise it may well mess up in Trespasser.

(another way to check is to hard save post-game and then check the playthrough in the DA Keep. It will say whether the world state has Dorian leaving or staying.)

[WashclothRepairMan]

I'm a straight guy doing and enjoying the Dorian romance.

[MilesUpShore]

I think that what you say in the post-What Pride Had Wrought scene makes a difference - did you tell him to go or stay in the first one?

Seeing as you said you skipped that convo in the 2nd and he said he would stay, it sounds like that's the 'default', which is interesting.

The whole thing is a mess. I *really* hope they fix it in the patch, otherwise it may well mess up in Trespasser.

(another way to check is to hard save post-game and then check the playthrough in the DA Keep. It will say whether the world state has Dorian leaving or staying.)

 

Okay, I just want to be sure one last time, when I told Dorian I want him to stay after the Temple of Mythal quest and did NOT talk to him at the end game party, I should be getting the warmer-to-the fire, quote, right? 

I only once finished a playthrough all the way to the end and this bug is still confusing as hell. 

[nightscrawl]

Party dialogue, with option chosen...

Inquisitor: I'm happy you're here, after all that's happened...

Dorian: I fully expected to die. It would have been thematically appropriate. And you! You could have been a martyr! Oh, the songs they would have composed.

Inquisitor: There will still be songs.

Dorian: Yes, but they won't have the same gravitas. We'll just have to be satisfied with being alive. And together. I've decided to stay with the Inquisition. For now.

Inquisitor: You will?

Dorian: There's no you in Tevinter. What else matters?

 

What I perceive as the "correct" stay romance dialog, which I only got by NOT talking at the party...

Dorian: Frightening thought, a Divine with enough spies to know how often you p*ss. Staying in the South could prove interesting. One's always warmest next to the fire.

Inquisitor: That's the only reason you stayed?

Dorian: Not the only reason.

 

What I perceive as the "INcorrect" leave romance dialog, which I only got by talking at the party...
Dorian: It will be difficult to return to Tevinter after all this. And leaving you? Most difficult of all. I'd almost rather let the Imperium rot. Such is my lot. Just a little longer then.

 

 

I gotta say... hearing him say, "There's no you in Tevinter. What else matters?" really gets me every time. I think it's more his tone than anything else. Sigh...

This is one of those times where it's really worth reloading to see it if you're going to skip the party talk, just because it's so great. I feel the same about the "take it slow" quarters scene, even though I ultimately prefer the sex version for RP reasons.

[nightscrawl]

I'm wondering if they are going to hedge round the stay/not stay bit because of that caveat "for now".   So 2 years down the line Dorian could have gone back to Tevinter whether he said he was going to stay or not, even if only for a brief visit.

Regardless of which option you chose, I don't think they are going to leave it vague for this DLC. I really do believe they will state or strongly suggest, through actual words or some other fashion, whether Dorian has been there the whole time or has gone and returned.

However, that doesn't rule out their still using it as a plot device if he appears in future games or ancillary material that takes place after Inquisition.

[Reznore57]

I was looking at the keep and I have Dorian stayed and Dorian returned to Tevinter unlocked...

I have no idea how it happened because I always romance him.

 

I always talked to him at the party.So I doubt the party is responsible for his end status.

I think it's possibly related to the "what about the future" talk , where you can ask him what he wants or the Inquisitor says he wants it to be a forever thingie.And then he says you'll talk about it some more after COry.

There's also the temple of Mythal speech , I think I always told him "stay with meeee."I'm pretty sure I picked "Do what you want" the first time , but reloaded and change my mind.

 

Edit : any way it seems to me if you ask Dorian what he wants , well he wants to go back to Tevinter eventually.

But if you push your opinion on him all the time , he gives in to temptation and stays.

[nightscrawl]

I was looking at the keep and I have Dorian stayed and Dorian returned to Tevinter unlocked...

I have no idea how it happened because I always romance him.

 

I always talked to him at the party.So I doubt the party is responsible for his end status.

I think it's possibly related to the "what about the future" talk , where you can ask him what he wants or the Inquisitor says he wants it to be a forever thingie.And then he says you'll talk about it some more after COry.

There's also the temple of Mythal speech , I think I always told him "stay with meeee."I'm pretty sure I picked "Do what you want" the first time , but reloaded and change my mind.

 

Edit : any way it seems to me if you ask Dorian what he wants , well he wants to go back to Tevinter eventually.

But if you push your opinion on him all the time , he gives in to temptation and stays.

 

Again though, my testing has had all variables the same except the party talk, so none of those examples apply to me. I mean, I've done a save at the party, talked to him, rolled credits, loaded up Skyhold again to talk to him post-game, and then repeated the process without talking to him and the result is the different post-game dialog. So... I dunno what to tell ya.

 

Also, with the exception of the post-Mythal dialogue I always ask Dorian what he wants, rather than going for the sappy thing. Honestly, even though I'm actually okay with his returning to Tevinter, the only reason I don't pick that option post-Mythal is because I feel it is severely limited and I can't really express my Inquisitor's full range of thought and feeling on the matter, so I just pick the "I need you" option instead.

 

In my current play I will certainly be making a hard save before that choice to see how it affects Trespasser. I fully expect to play it 2-3 times with the same character, trying out all of the options. What is really going to suck will be in having to sacrifice the Chargers; not only because doing that is a bummer, but because it's fairly early in the game and I'll have to play a big chunk before I can hit the DLC again.

[madzilla84]

So - if you tell him to return if that's what he wants, post WPHW, then does talking/not talking to him at the party make any difference, or does he always leave if that's chosen regardless? Or does it flip around like it does with the other option if you talk to him at the party?

I'd check myself, but my post WPHW chat is ages ago, before the 2 DLCs. Darned save limit.

[Gervaise]

I should explain that in the past I have always talked to Dorian at the party.   I must admit I find it odd that you would not.    In fact his words to you as you enter your quarters indicate he feels the same.      We had a bit of an argument a few pages back as to whether his speech post credits is a bug or not.     I have pointed out that you can also talk to him as your best friend, he tells you his is staying because of that fact and then post credits you get a rather odd comment from him that seems more like the "bugged" romance one in that it doesn't seem to fit with what he said at the party.

 

My first romance run, where I get the "just a little longer" speech regardless of whether I talked to him at the party or not, may have some sort of glitch since originally it did not transfer my Dorian romance to the Keep at all.

 

My second romance run, where I get the variants depending on whether I talk to him, as far as I recall actually did transfer correctly to the Keep, showing Dorian as both my romance and that he would stay even though I had talked to him at the party and got the "just a little longer" speech.

 

So I'm still not sure whether the speech you get from Dorian is any indication of whether or not the romance is properly transferring post credits.   I guess I shall just have to wait and see in the upcoming DLC.

 

I've been reflecting on the attitude of other people to Dorian, particularly at the beginning and it occurred to me that I think he is the only romance/friendship (although at the time it is assumed to be more even if you are female)  that people actively disapprove of, bearing in mind that Mother Giselle claims she is merely passing on general opinion and considering if you ask Cassandra for advice, she tells you not to trust Dorian, which made me feel that Mother Giselle probably was being used as a mouthpiece by others.     Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you get the same level of criticism for anyone else.    Lelianna will warn you off Josephine but only because she is worried you might hurt her friend.    From what I have seen on You Tube, Mother Giselle doesn't pass on disapproval about romancing Iron Bull, which is odd because you'd think people would find him just as objectionable.       I know we were fighting Vints but Dorian had either saved the Inquisitor from being lost in time or run himself to exhaustion to warn you, which to be honest is a hell of a lot more than Iron Bull (whose company are being paid to assist), Sera, Blackwall or even Varric (dragged into assisting by Cassandra) had done.   It was nice to hear that at the end people were finally giving him some credit.   (Another reason to talk to him at the party).

[nightscrawl]

I should explain that in the past I have always talked to Dorian at the party.   I must admit I find it odd that you would not.

Of course, and I certainly agree. I find it odd that the Inquisitor wouldn't talk to anyone honestly, even someone they dislike, simply because that is part of the whole "party" in the first place. Even if you had conflicts with one or more members of the Inquisition, all of those there still stuck with it until the very end. Some, like Vivienne, did have their own personal less-than-altruistic motives for being there, but she was still putting her life on the line.

It's also one of the reasons I think it's a bug in the first place, because who seriously does not talk to their LI?! The only way I found out about it was through another thread.

 

I've been reflecting on the attitude of other people to Dorian, particularly at the beginning and it occurred to me that I think he is the only romance/friendship (although at the time it is assumed to be more even if you are female)  that people actively disapprove of, bearing in mind that Mother Giselle claims she is merely passing on general opinion and considering if you ask Cassandra for advice, she tells you not to trust Dorian, which made me feel that Mother Giselle probably was being used as a mouthpiece by others.     Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you get the same level of criticism for anyone else.    Lelianna will warn you off Josephine but only because she is worried you might hurt her friend.    From what I have seen on You Tube, Mother Giselle doesn't pass on disapproval about romancing Iron Bull, which is odd because you'd think people would find him just as objectionable.       I know we were fighting Vints but Dorian had either saved the Inquisitor from being lost in time or run himself to exhaustion to warn you, which to be honest is a hell of a lot more than Iron Bull (whose company are being paid to assist), Sera, Blackwall or even Varric (dragged into assisting by Cassandra) had done.   It was nice to hear that at the end people were finally giving him some credit.   (Another reason to talk to him at the party).

Considering what we learn in WoT Vol. 2, I think it is just another device to play into Dorian's past and also expose some of his mentality about the issue. Granted with someone like Iron Bull there might also be some "concerns," but it doesn't really have the same impact for him personally, like it does for Dorian.

Dorian's personal experience and exposure to Tevinter politics put him in an unique position that most of the others don't have. He knows what goes on in Tevinter, and he knows how southerners view it. He knows that he will be seen as the evil "magister" who is getting closer and closer to the Inquisitor, and possibly manipulating him with blood magic, sex, or both. This isn't really a concern for any of the other LIs, given their circumstances, so it's not a factor in the romance.

 

Don't forget that they also tried to give each romance their own special flavor, and all of this stuff factors in for the Dorian romance as well. It's also one of the reasons he's closed off: because he has to be, and getting over that learned behavior, even though it's what he wants, is a process.

[Reznore57]

Well I hope there won't be any bug in trespasser , it's possible , you only have friendship/lover state.And if he doesn't like you he's not there.

 

Because if I start trespasser and Dorian goes "Yo buddy "...I only have one save game.

The game is like 100 hours long....So chances are I would play trespasser even if Dorian is glitched and it would ruin things a bit to be honest.

 

I kind of hope he's been back to Tevinter no matter what because if he stayed in Skyhold he won't have much to tell...

[Arlee]

Hey guys! Been awhile because I had fallen behind on the DLCs and wanted to avoid spoilers >< Anywho, I was just wondering if any of you know what happened to Merwild? I just went to look at what they've been up to and I noticed the Merwild tumblr is now empty

[nightscrawl]

Well I hope there won't be any bug in trespasser , it's possible , you only have friendship/lover state.And if he doesn't like you he's not there.

 

Because if I start trespasser and Dorian goes "Yo buddy "...I only have one save game.

The game is like 100 hours long....So chances are I would play trespasser even if Dorian is glitched and it would ruin things a bit to be honest.

 

I kind of hope he's been back to Tevinter no matter what because if he stayed in Skyhold he won't have much to tell...

 

You don't have a pre-party save you can load up? The friendship and boyfriend status should be separate from his decision on whether to return to Tevinter, which is what the bugged option deals with.

 

I don't know how it plays out or anything, but I'd imagine that a Dorian who was NOT your friend at all is probably just gone. A Dorian that was your friend, or boyfriend, will probably come back if he left.

 

Don't forget that part of this involves learning what our followers have been doing for the past two years. It's entirely possible that Dorian has been away for most of that time and has come back to help his friend or boyfriend. It's also possible that he could have just remained for that entire time. Anyone remember that depressing/sob-enducing comic a while back where an aging Dorian keeps saying, "Just a little longer"? Like that. So, we'll just have to see.

 

But don't start preemptively worrying.

 

 

Hey guys! Been awhile because I had fallen behind on the DLCs and wanted to avoid spoilers >< Anywho, I was just wondering if any of you know what happened to Merwild? I just went to look at what they've been up to and I noticed the Merwild tumblr is now empty

 

Hiya Arlee, can't answer your question, but welcome back. You might wanna go on hiatus again after September 8th with the new DLC coming out .

[Arlee]

Hiya Arlee, can't answer your question, but welcome back. You might wanna go on hiatus again after September 8th with the new DLC coming out .

 

Heya And yea... I'm hoping to be able to get through Descent soon and jump right into trespasser but that is probably in vain >< I just need everyone to stop with games and patches for a month or two so I can catch up

 

Did you guys see the picture someone made of Dorian out in the rain holding a boombox up? If not I'll find it on the twitters for you guys. It started because the writers were trolling everyone saying what their "favorite" parts of Trespasser is and Mike Laidlaw said his favorite was when Dorian holds the boombox above his head. Was fun

 

About pre-emptively worrying, I am doing that too. I am equal parts excited for new companion things and anxious about "WHAT IF EVERYTHING WITH DORIAN GOT SCREWED UP IN TWO YEARS!!!???" but then I always get anxious with BioWare and romances and time hops ><