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[Arlee]

My Elf Templar, who originally I made for many levels of lol and for Dorian's Templar line, actually ended up being what I consider my cannon pt. Can't decide how I wanna do stuff in Trespasser with him. There's also many levels of interesting going on there as well. He's also my only elf who I managed to not slaughter his entire clan ><

[nightscrawl]

Btw, if anyone else was like myself and really liked the new pattern on Dorian's clothing in Trespasser (collar lining) you can now extract it with the newest version of the Mod Maker. It is quite nice. At the moment I'm mulling over whether to replace darkened samite with it, or think it might be too many lines... oooh perhaps highever weave, since I use that as an accent fabric on my armors *rubs hands together*.

[Arlee]

I went and watched a video of Bull doing the betrayal thing when he was in a relationship with Dorian, and damn that sucks I mean there's only a one line difference, but he sounds so bitter and disappointed. And then I thought about all the ancillary things, about the whole Qun/Tevinter divide, about Dorian's own feelings about relationships, etc... and omg now I'm sad I feel worse for him than an Inquisitor who romanced a Qun loyal Bull.

[Gervaise]

The elves look better now you can use something other than the beige suit.    That is the first thing I would suggest going to change if you play an elf.     Also need to be careful what hairstyle you use or an elf can look very young, particularly from the rear.    Playing an elf means there are so many prejudices that you personally have to overcome before you succumb to Dorian's charm but I found that made it all the more meaningful and touching when you do.

 

Human is probably the safest bet if you are trying to get the right look for a romance partner but everything is so subjective with things like that.  

 

Don't think there is a right class.    Naturally he seems to have an affinity with a mage character but that is why I find it works well as a best friend too.

 

As for the Iron Bull thing, I always did say that I couldn't understand how Dorian could romance Bull if he was still in the Qun and that it would all end in tears.    From the videos I've seen, it seems like Bull always goes for Dorian first, which makes it worse in a way.    Still in some ways it saves Dorian's hide from the folks back home considering they are shortly to be back in full scale war again.   I do wonder how much Bull was manipulating Dorian to get information.   Whilst it is sad to hear Dorian's reaction to the betrayal, I do think he was being a bit naïve in trusting a Qun Bull and believing his affection was genuine.

 

Looking on the bright side, if you save Bull from the Qun by making him Tal'Vashoth, then apparently their relationship continues on even after Dorian goes back to Tevinter.    It is interesting though that it is the Inquisitor whom Dorian describes as his only true friend and the one who get the special means of communication.     So clearly Dorian doesn't regard his romance with Bull in the same light as the one with the Inquisitor. 

[nightscrawl]

I went and watched a video of Bull doing the betrayal thing when he was in a relationship with Dorian, and damn that sucks I mean there's only a one line difference, but he sounds so bitter and disappointed. And then I thought about all the ancillary things, about the whole Qun/Tevinter divide, about Dorian's own feelings about relationships, etc... and omg now I'm sad I feel worse for him than an Inquisitor who romanced a Qun loyal Bull.

Yeah... given the betrayal by Alexius and his father, I'd imagine that Dorian would be f'd up for a while after that. I don't necessarily think it was naive simply because (Qun-loyal) Bull fooled everyone; that was his job. Also, they were together for over two years, and its completely understandable that one gets lulled into a sense of complacency. That said, I do think Dorian knows better when it comes to Qunari, and relationships that are (primarily) based around sex, and I think he allowed himself to be lulled into that complacency simply because he wanted to be.
 
 

It is interesting though that it is the Inquisitor whom Dorian describes as his only true friend and the one who get the special means of communication.     So clearly Dorian doesn't regard his romance with Bull in the same light as the one with the Inquisitor.

Wait, I'm not sure if I understand this wording correctly: does Dorian also give the crystal to a friend Inquisitor?

If so, while that is also super nice and of course speaks volumes about the closeness to his best friend, I dunno... it sort of takes a (very small) bit away from the romance version of it.

 

 

[edit]

Doing a fresh play now and I'm almost at the point to recruit Bull. I'm actually not sure whether I want to or not for RP reasons, which are nothing to do with Dorian or Trespasser events. Given that he flat out tells you that he is a spy, I don't think it's reasonable to trust him at all. I suppose we're meant to think that, because he was willing to share that information, as well as whatever other miscellaneous tidbits he drops, we can trust him as far as Corypheus goes. But he even says that he's been ordered to "get close to you." (And of course this also follows along with Gervaise's point about initiating the Dorian relationship.)

 

I honestly wonder why anyone (Inquisitor players) would get romantically involved with him after hearing that. The whole thing just seems so questionable that I wonder how wise it is to recruit him in the first place.

 

On the other hand, my Inquisitor also recruits Sera and Blackwall while saying things like, "The Inquisition needs all the help it can get," so I'm not really sure. But I do have a divide in my mind between one individual and an entire nation whose primary goal is convert everyone to their way of life.

 

Also, I've refused to recruit him in the past but never finished that play. It is rather annoying that there is still ambient dialogue in the Herald's Rest from folks talking like you did recruit him.

[Arlee]

Wait, I'm not sure if I understand this wording correctly: does Dorian also give the crystal to a friend Inquisitor?

If so, while that is also super nice and of course speaks volumes about the closeness to his best friend, I dunno... it sort of takes a (very small) bit away from the romance version of it.

 

Yea both romanced Inquisitor and Friend Inquisitor get the magic talking rock, but I think the end end slides are a bit different when it addresses them keeping in contact.

[devSin]

Wait, I'm not sure if I understand this wording correctly: does Dorian also give the crystal to a friend Inquisitor?

Yes, everyone gets the crystal.

Apparently the epilogue for friendship Dorian is super-touching as well.

(There's no reason to suspect that Bull wouldn't also get a crystal, but they're both described as having better communication than Inquisitor/Dorian and shown physically together in the epilogue, so not having it mentioned doesn't really mean anything IMO.)

[nightscrawl]

^ Thanks for the clarification. I have issues with the whole "Bull rescues Dorian" thing anyway, but that's just me. And I think it was always a given that, despite Bull being Qunari, his profession allows for more freedom than the Inquisitor (or former Inquisitor), particularly given the stated mission at the end of Trespasser. So it doesn't surprise me that Bull/Dorian might have a bit more contact than Inquisitor/Dorian in that regard, simply because it's more feasible. It's kind of a bummer, but I understand it.

 

But I will say that it seems that no matter who Dorian ends up with that he is in a positive place emotionally, which is a really nice development in the end.

[Arlee]

Ima knucklehead I could have linked this in my previous post instead of just answering

 

https://youtu.be/smu1xGrHHwc?t=3m13s

 

Queued up right at the friend slides for Dorian. I don't know how they differ from the romanced ones because I am super procrastinating on doing those two playthroughs ><

[nightscrawl]

Ima knucklehead I could have linked this in my previous post instead of just answering
 
https://youtu.be/smu1xGrHHwc?t=3m13s
 
Queued up right at the friend slides for Dorian. I don't know how they differ from the romanced ones because I am super procrastinating on doing those two playthroughs ><

 
Thanks for the link.
 
Here is one of the romance ones. I thought too late to screen the rest.
 

Spoiler

/sigh Thinking about this just makes me sad. It's even more frustrating because I knew this was going to happen -- as did my Inquisitor -- and thought I had accepted it, but watching it all play out made it all real somehow.

[Hazegurl]

I laughed when I watched the betrayal scene because I didn't expect anything less from IB, sadly I ended up using a save file with him kicked out the Qun cause I couldn't find my other saves.  I rarely recruit IB. The moment he said he's a spy is the moment I knew I couldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.  Even when it comes to his "information".  It doesn't help that he spends the entire game bragging about what a great liar and spy he is, a total red flag, Who knows how much info he gives away before losing his position within the Qun.  I can't for the life of me understand why Dorian or the IQ would romance him.  Especially with him still in the Qun. Dorian of all people should have known better.  But then again I don't have a single save file with him romancing Bull so I'll say that my Dorian knows better.

 

I don't know how I feel about Friend IQ getting the talking crystal. Is there anything that is just special between Dorian and the romanced IQ?

[devSin]

^ Thanks for the clarification. I have issues with the whole "Bull rescues Dorian" thing anyway, but that's just me. And I think it was always a given that, despite Bull being Qunari, his profession allows for more freedom than the Inquisitor (or former Inquisitor), particularly given the stated mission at the end of Trespasser. So it doesn't surprise me that Bull/Dorian might have a bit more contact than Inquisitor/Dorian in that regard, simply because it's more feasible. It's kind of a bummer, but I understand it.

In this instance, I think it's just because they can't really show the Inquisitor (without having different slides for the different races).

It's slightly disappointing that you get to see those two together (vs. just reading about us sneaking into Tevinter like a thief in the night), but I don't think it really means anything overall (it's just simple to draw two fixed characters).
 

I don't know how I feel about Friend IQ getting the talking crystal. Is there anything that is just special between Dorian and the romanced IQ?

He says he loves you, and the epilogue says you go to Tevinter sometimes.

But most of it is common for all Inquisitors (unfortunately, this also extends to the conversation about him leaving, so you have infuriating options like "there's nothing else to say").

[NeverlandHunter]

Hey guys!

I'm thinking about finally starting a Dorian romance (I haven't played as a male yet, but I'm finally going to give the male voice actors a chance ) but I want to play a zealous Chantry goody-two-shoes stickler for the rules guy and I was wondering about his Dorian chances. I know siding with the Templars will have Dorian greatly disapprove if you've already met him, but what if I skip going to Redcliffe at all? How low is his disapproval then? I'll probably be pro Grey Warden too, what would Dorian's view on that be? 

[Arlee]

Thanks for the slide Nightscrawl! I like it... also makes me happy to know my guy will definitely be visiting him. Though I still like to imagine the got two mirrors working similarly to the Eluvians for their personal use

 

I don't know how I feel about Friend IQ getting the talking crystal. Is there anything that is just special between Dorian and the romanced IQ?

 

In the friend slides there is never any mention of the IQ being seen in Tevinter so that's special... also there's those two kisses    I honestly hadn't expected one kiss much less two Also I'd assume that while some of the crystal convos are probably the same, others are probably very different

 

Hey guys!

I'm thinking about finally starting a Dorian romance (I haven't played as a male yet, but I'm finally going to give the male voice actors a chance ) but I want to play a zealous Chantry goody-two-shoes stickler for the rules guy and I was wondering about his Dorian chances. I know siding with the Templars will have Dorian greatly disapprove if you've already met him, but what if I skip going to Redcliffe at all? How low is his disapproval then? I'll probably be pro Grey Warden too, what would Dorian's view on that be? 

 

Hmm... it's been a long time but I don't remember Dorian disapproving when I went for the Templars after meeting him. He made a comment about it but I don't think there was any actual approval loss. What you will need to do though is do some of his wartable missions so the letter from Felix dialogue will pop and that will lead into his personal quest. I also could have sworn he approves of not exiling the Grey Wardens. I'll spoiler the two big things though so if you want to look you can, otherwise feel free to discover on your own (neither of them are surprising taking in account the sort of person Dorian is):

 

Spoiler

When you do his amulet quest do not kill the merchant, he'll break-up with you if you do

Also, at the temple make the deal with the elves don't slaughter them. I'm not sure if he'll break-up with you but I know he really doesn't like it.

[NeverlandHunter]

Thanks for the slide Nightscrawl! I like it... also makes me happy to know my guy will definitely be visiting him. Though I still like to imagine the got two mirrors working similarly to the Eluvians for their personal use

 

 

In the friend slides there is never any mention of the IQ being seen in Tevinter so that's special... also there's those two kisses    I honestly hadn't expected one kiss much less two Also I'd assume that while some of the crystal convos are probably the same, others are probably very different

 

 

Hmm... it's been a long time but I don't remember Dorian disapproving when I went for the Templars after meeting him. He made a comment about it but I don't think there was any actual approval loss. What you will need to do though is do some of his wartable missions so the letter from Felix dialogue will pop and that will lead into his personal quest. I also could have sworn he approves of not exiling the Grey Wardens. I'll spoiler the two big things though so if you want to look you can, otherwise feel free to discover on your own (neither of them are surprising taking in account the sort of person Dorian is):

 

Spoiler

When you do his amulet quest do not kill the merchant, he'll break-up with you if you do

Also, at the temple make the deal with the elves don't slaughter them. I'm not sure if he'll break-up with you but I know he really doesn't like it.

Thanks for the reply!

I looked it up and it isn't greatly disapproves but he does disapprove if you help the Templars. At least that's what IGN said!

I'd seen this video before which is why I was worried about the Templars quest causing a lot of disapproval.

[Sui Causa]

Patrick Weekes mentioned that Dorian would have given a romanced Iron Bull a communication crystal too on twitter. So it's not just quizzy that gets one, Adoribull phone sex is also a thing. >.>

 

The fact that phone sex with Dorian is canon one way or another makes me really happy. o.o

[Arlee]

Thanks for the reply!

I looked it up and it isn't greatly disapproves but he does disapprove if you help the Templars. At least that's what IGN said!

I'd seen this video before which is why I was worried about the Templars quest causing a lot of disapproval.

 

Ah cool Like I said it's been awhile The negative approval is pretty easy to get beyond though, My first time romancing him was actually on a PT where I allied with the Templars, and it was seriously not a big deal. After you get to Skyhold do his wartable missions and talk to him and it should be fine. i would also suggest trying to not blow through all of his content at once, because once you start you can go through all the content for him super quickly ><

 

Oh and yea... to get that scene you have to do a lot wrong. Like I'm guessing you'd have to skip his war table missions and be a general jerk. I've never gotten that convo at all, so allying with the Templars and not exiling the Grey wardens doesn't do it

[NeverlandHunter]

Ah cool Like I said it's been awhile The negative approval is pretty easy to get beyond though, My first time romancing him was actually on a PT where I allied with the Templars, and it was seriously not a big deal. After you get to Skyhold do his wartable missions and talk to him and it should be fine. i would also suggest trying to not blow through all of his content at once, because once you start you can go through all the content for him super quickly ><

 

Oh and yea... to get that scene you have to do a lot wrong. Like I'm guessing you'd have to skip his war table missions and be a general jerk. I've never gotten that convo at all, so allying with the Templars and not exiling the Grey wardens doesn't do it

Thanks for the advice. I usually have trouble not doing all the romance scenes right away though ! I have no self-control.

[Fredward]

I laughed when I watched the betrayal scene because I didn't expect anything less from IB, sadly I ended up using a save file with him kicked out the Qun cause I couldn't find my other saves.  I rarely recruit IB. The moment he said he's a spy is the moment I knew I couldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.  Even when it comes to his "information".  It doesn't help that he spends the entire game bragging about what a great liar and spy he is, a total red flag, Who knows how much info he gives away before losing his position within the Qun.  I can't for the life of me understand why Dorian or the IQ would romance him.  Especially with him still in the Qun. Dorian of all people should have known better.  But then again I don't have a single save file with him romancing Bull so I'll say that my Dorian knows better.

 

I don't know how I feel about Friend IQ getting the talking crystal. Is there anything that is just special between Dorian and the romanced IQ?

 

You get a really good kiss scene. I really think the magical phone is gonna be a plot point in DA4, they had to give it to every Inquisitor just in case so that Dorian can pop up in opportune moments and be like "I've just received vital information!" kinda thing.

 

But most of it is common for all Inquisitors (unfortunately, this also extends to the conversation about him leaving, so you have infuriating options like "there's nothing else to say").

 

What makes that option infuriating? My romanced Quisie picked it. He even sounded kinda pouty and hurt.

 

Spoiler

When you do his amulet quest do not kill the merchant, he'll break-up with you if you do

Also, at the temple make the deal with the elves don't slaughter them. I'm not sure if he'll break-up with you but I know he really doesn't like it.

 

Spoiler

You can kill them without any issues, it's a 'Dorian Greatly Disapproves' moment but he doesn't automatically break up with you over it.

[nightscrawl]

You get a really good kiss scene. I really think the magical phone is gonna be a plot point in DA4, they had to give it to every Inquisitor just in case so that Dorian can pop up in opportune moments and be like "I've just received vital information!" kinda thing.

That's an interesting point.

I think the issue is that some players -- myself included -- want to feel that their romance with Dorian, or any other character, is unique for that NPC and that they will come out of it affected differently than they would if they were with someone else. I say that as someone whose Inquisitor is different from Bull in every possible way other than being a non-mage penis-haver, and I would like to think that Dorian approaches either man, and his relationship with them, in a different way. I struggled with that aspect of it for quite a while and am finally now in a decent place mentally, but it did take a long time and some in-depth conversing.

 

What makes that option infuriating? My romanced Quisie picked it. He even sounded kinda pouty and hurt.

For RP reasons I wished him luck, but I did pick the pissed off remark asking whether he was ever going to tell me, which I quite liked because it was quite upsetting to find out in that manner. Even though it's an important conversation, and I appreciate devSin's issues with it, I don't see the variety of options different from any other conversation in the entire rest of the game. Almost all of them are had the same way, with the difference of one or two lines from either Inquisitor, Dorian, or both, and the rest are the same for romance or friend. The post-Adamant conversation is the perfect example of this. That plays out almost exactly the same except for a single line.

 

Spoiler

You can kill them without any issues, it's a 'Dorian Greatly Disapproves' moment but he doesn't automatically break up with you over it.

 

Spoiler

Oh... I didn't know that. That's somewhat disappointing, actually. I like the idea that there is a limit or a type of behavior that he, or any NPC, won't accept, and that the player just has to accept the consequences of their actions. He even says something about you killing him to "satisfy your thuggish need."

 

I also thought that was only available to a rogue? My Trev warrior gets the noble option, "Do you know who I am?" (lol...) which is the one I take because I dislike rewarding bad behavior.

 
As far as Dorian's approval goes, to go along with the above, you can always win him back by completing the war table missions and killing some Venatori. I understand that they put these approval systems in the game as a safeguard for the player, but I really would like the choices to mean something in that regard.

[nightscrawl]

The fact that phone sex with Dorian is canon one way or another makes me really happy. o.o

I... may or may not have thought about this recently. There was angst involved. 'Twas fun (sorta).

Spoiler

My Inquisitor is so f'd up over this whole thing... Dorian being away, the arm, giving up a position he's held for three years, this whole Solas debacle... on and on. -_-

[HurraFTP]

Spoiler

Oh... I didn't know that. That's somewhat disappointing, actually. I like the idea that there is a limit or a type of behavior that he, or any NPC, won't accept, and that the player just has to accept the consequences of their actions. He even says something about you killing him to "satisfy your thuggish need."

 

I also thought that was only available to a rogue? My Trev warrior gets the noble option, "Do you know who I am?" (lol...) which is the one I take because I dislike rewarding bad behavior.

 
As far as Dorian's approval goes, to go along with the above, you can always win him back by completing the war table missions and killing some Venatori. I understand that they put these approval systems in the game as a safeguard for the player, but I really would like the choices to mean something in that regard.

 

 

 

I think it's for killing the ancients elves, not Ponchard.

 

 

Edit: Also, on an unrelated note, do you guys named your gear and the gear for Dorian?
I 'm bad at giving name at things... Do you have any cool idea for a name for his staff or armor?

[nightscrawl]

Oh also, regarding meeting him in Redcliffe before hand... I think the first Skyhold conversation is a tad different if you did, but probably not by much.

 

I tend to feel that it is simply more logical to go to Redcliffe and then make your decision after, for whatever RP reasons you decide to go with. Why wouldn't you? Honestly, if you are that rabidly pro-templar that you wouldn't even consider talking to the mages after Fiona invites you there I don't know what you're doing falling in love with a mage anyway, no matter how charming he is. Since the templar side is presented with the requirement of having to amass influence to merit an invite, it's hardly presented with the urgency that would force you to make a hasty decision.

 

My pro-templar reasoning (when I do that), is to go see the mages, find out about what is going on, and then say to myself, "Damn this is really f'd up. I think we need the templars to deal with this scary mage crap." Sure, the war table tells you that siding with one will prevent your siding with the other, but that is a game device, just like the rest of the war table. Unfortunately, there isn't really an avenue for explaining this reasoning, and Dorian is understandably upset that you still went to the templars even after he told you how terrible this time thing was and offered his help.

[GoldenGail3]

*is done with her Cullen romance... On to the rest of the romances... I guess*
Ugh, I need to create a decent looking looking guy for Dorian (I'm complaining about my lack of making guys look nice, and I'm lame becuase the first romance I did was a Cassandra romance ) But either way, he's my BFF. My go to friend for my poor Lavellen (my Solas romance, she needs a friend and Dorians was there to comfort her) I love him. But I will never finish his romance... Becuase all my other romances get in the way...

[nightscrawl]

Edit: Also, on an unrelated note, do you guys named your gear and the gear for Dorian?
I 'm bad at giving name at things... Do you have any cool idea for a name for his staff or armor?

I only recently started doing this.

On arrival at Skyhold everyone gets a newly-crafted T2 armor with an unique name.
Dorian - Enchanter's Apparel (that is his actual rank in the Minrathous Circle)
Vivienne - First Enchanter's Raiment
Blackwall - Warden's Breastplate (doesn't change, since he would still use his appropriated armor)
Cassandra - Seeker's Coat
The Iron Bull - Hissrad's Harness (changes after quest)
Varric - Wordsmith's Coat
Cole - Spirit's Threads
Sera - Prankster's Jumper
(Yes, I left out Solas. He doesn't get a special thing because I don't take him anywhere and I prefer his original "apostate hobo" look. Thus he's the only one not sporting Inquisition colors while everyone else matches.)

For weapons, this requires a bit of explanation... My Inquisitor's name is Judah, named for the main character from Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (I really like giving my characters Hebrew names). But, after playing a while the similarity to the name Judex, the constellation of the Sword of Mercy, became significant for me. My character being a Trevelyan, his family named him for that and the religious connotations it entails (and mom, whose name is Judith). It also follows along with his personality (to a degree). So, near the latter part of the game I craft a sword and name it Judex.
 
The only other weapon I craft with a special name is a staff for Dorian, the Dragon Staff (fire element), which I name Toth, also a constellation, named for the Old God of Fire.

 

*is done with her Cullen romance... On to the rest of the romances... I guess*
Ugh, I need to create a decent looking looking guy for Dorian (I'm complaining about my lack of making guys look nice, and I'm lame becuase the first romance I did was a Cassandra romance ) But either way, he's my BFF. My go to friend for my poor Lavellen (my Solas romance, she needs a friend and Dorians was there to comfort her) I love him. But I will never finish his romance... Becuase all my other romances get in the way...

If you don't mind angst, I do highly recommend that you play out the Dorian romance. I think there will be a nice balance between the utter sap of Cullen, the heartbreak of Solas, and the romance novel thing with Cassandra. Dorian as a person has a lot to give, but he takes work and it is SO worth it in the end.

Spoiler

And... You also have the option to turn down sex while still continuing the romance, which is great for various RP reasons and however you want to play it. Plus, his reaction to each is different and each is significant because of his history. There is no "best" option for that scene.

And damn if that kiss-on-demand scene doesn't make me melt into goo every single time.