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[Reznore57]

You know, I thought I was mentally prepared for the game to finally come to an end. For the romance I actually had head-canon revolving around his eventual return to Tevinter (though two years later was a surprise, I never gave them that long), but it turned out I wasn't. Even though I do want to see other Trespasser dialogue options and the like, playing it so depressed me that I think it will be quite a long time before I actually play it again. For the moment I'm focusing on the main game, and modding, and trying to put "the end" out of my mind. Of course I keep coming here and talking about it, which hardly helps.

 

I'm fine with the ending really because there's clear ways to headcanon things ...Dorian goes back to Tevinter with a clear goal in mind , you know he gets his new jobs as a magisters , you know he has maevaris etc...

 

The Inqui can be a red jenny , has a house in Kirkwall , is bend on finding Solas and is looking at Tevinter...etc.

 

Compared to DA2 at the time I had real problems picturing what was going on at the end , I mean I had Hawke running away from Kirkwall with her friends.And then Varric says Hawke had gone poof.

Poof where , doing what ?

That was kind of bad and it was hard to fill in the blank while waiting for some answers.

 

I mean I was joking around the forum  , Flemeth ate Hawke and the Warden.That's where my mind was.

[Gervaise]

With regard to the strip weed, if you are in a romance with Dorian or you are a friend but he is not in a relationship with Bull, then the conversation you get is the one about people in Tevinter putting it into tea, which Dorian says in a clearly sarcastic manner but no hint this is because he has any sort of allergic problem with it himself.   It is more akin to when Solas shows a clear dislike of tea unless he wants to stay awake (apparently PW doesn't like tea either).   It is one of those specific dialogue points that you can click on.     It is only if he is in a romance with Bull that you get the alternative one with Dorian sneezing and the handkerchief, etc.  

 

What makes it even more puzzling is that Bull says "you always do" as though this crops up time and again, when it has never come up in conversation during the main game and Dorian has just spent 2 years in Tevinter, so you wonder when Bull was able to form this idea.     The amusing part is that in an earlier conversation, Bull offers to flex his muscles for him, Dorian sighs and then says "I need a drink".    Now if Bull had said then "You always do," then that would have been in keeping with earlier conversations but I guess the writers thought that was too sensitive a subject to draw attention to.

[Gervaise]

I don't feel that I have been "shafted" by the writers over my Dorian romance.   In fact I don't particularly like how helpless and incapable of defending himself the incident makes Dorian appear.   I was just looking for a bit of internal consistency.     If Dorian did get into trouble with some rump end Venatori and needed rescuing, then surely that applies to his story generally.    Therefore get either Bull or Inquisitor to mount the rescue depending on who he is romancing.    Alternatively, place the screens all at the end of the Iron Bull story, so it is clear that Dorian placed himself at risk by travelling out to the villa to see Bull, which of course does not happen when not in a romance with him.

 

I am perfectly happy with the way the romance was handled for the Inquisitor and prefer the fact that in my games he is more than capable of looking after himself the majority of the time.    After all he spent 2 weeks camping out in the Hinterlands when he first arrives in the south and we know how dangerous that could be.   It is a large part of the reason I dislike the Bull/Dorian relationship in that Bull tries to make Dorian seem less capable of functioning on an everyday basis without him.    Dorian attached to Bull seems different to the Dorian I know in my games whether as a lover or a friend.     Which is why I would be really upset if the Bull/Dorian version became the default one if neither are in a relationship with the Inquisitor  and Bull is Tal-Vashoth, despite the fact that it never occurs in my games.    

 

Incidentally, this has nothing to do with it being a gay relationship.   I'd feel the same if Bull was behaving the way he does in a heterosexual relationship.      I really don't see why we should celebrate Adoribull as a gay icon and be prevented from criticising it.     I am not saying the writers should not have written the relationship the way they did.    David Gaider says that there is no reason why they should write every relationship/romance to be positive and lovely.   Our relationship with Dorian is not perfect and the Inquisitor has to put up with a fair bit as it progresses; that is what makes it so rewarding when Dorian finally does admit how much we mean to him.    However, I do feel there are aspects to the Bull romance that are not having a positive effect on Dorian and if the Inquisitor was allowed to say so in game as his friend, then I would do so. 

 

I also do feel they should have drawn some distinction between Qun Bull and Tal-Vashoth Bull when it comes to Dorian romancing him.     Qun Bull ends badly for Dorian but I find it hard to believe that he would put himself in such a position in the first place considering how much he says he loves his country.  He is prepared to even consider giving up the love of his life the Inquisitor (in the main game) in order to save it, yet would enter into and continue a relationship with someone who belongs to and is loyal to an organisation that actively wants to destroy it.     Then 2 years later they apparently take up where they left off.     And he tells the Inquisitor that Bull can't understand why he won't take him to Tevinter.     Yet Dorian always seems to display a great deal of political savvy, particularly where his homeland is concerned, so once again forcing the relationship makes Dorian appear totally out of character.    This is more than just being a pariah, having a relationship with a Qunari spy is treason, particularly since Dorian now has the official position of ambassador for his country.

 

Sorry for going on again.   I keep promising myself I won't and then I do.  

[Hazegurl]

Regarding Dorian/Bull... Inquisitor friend and romance both get a crystal slide tailored to the specific relationship. The Dorian romance gets the additional slide I posted earlier; two total. But Dorian/Bull get the "tryst" slide, and the "rescue" slide. Am I missing something else? Even if there is an additional slide after that I don't really see how it's so much more content, that we got shafted, or anything else, particularly since the PC actually gets two fully scripted cutscenes with kisses.

 

But yes, I do agree that it sucks for the Bull romancers. And it's also odd in that since he is a bi* option I might have thought that there would have been even more people that would have romanced him, as opposed to Dorian. I'm not really sure how popular of a character in general he is though... His personality aside (hits the mark for some, but not others), the Qunari issue alone is quite polarizing. Just going by his forum thread page count (497) he's about half as popular as Dorian -- yes, I understand that's an absurd metric, but it's the only thing we can go on.

 

Yeah, when you put it that way it really isn't so bad.  That's why I said I feel more for the Bull romancers because they don't even get romance cut scenes.  I suppose my issue is more about the fact that it seems like the PC can have almost the same relationship with Dorian as some NPC.  It sort of takes something away from the romance for me.  It makes it less unique, I suppose. idk, if I'm explaining it right but I wouldn't call it feeling shafted. It just seems like the writers are trying to make the NPC/NPC romance just as equal as the PC/NPC romance but with only slight variations. I just think the PC romance should be more in terms of personal character info content et al than some NPC romance and not because of head canon reasons.

 

I also have a problem with romance content being tied to character popularity or use of character (This is the same issue I had with Liara content in ME) because the lgbt options will never be as popular as the straight options, it seems like a unfair criteria to use to tailor resources around. Like I said before, there are plenty of other things that could have been cut in DAI.

 

But yeah, totally glad Dorian wasn't made a damsel for the IQ to save though.  I like the idea of Dorian handling his business and not making stupid mistakes like that.  Especially involving the crappiest group of fodder villains in the game, The Venatori.  I would think that with Calpurnia and Cory dead they would just dismantle or something.

 

As for Bull's popularity. I do remember quite a few articles coming out around the release of the game recommending Bull as the romance partner of choice. But that's also a ridiculous means of measuring the popularity. I guess we won't really know unless BW release the numbers like they did with ME.

 

 

 

 

To shift away a bit... At the moment I'm just dying to know what David Gaider's book plans are and if the novel he's writing (that will have a bit of Fenris) will take place in Tevinter, or at least partly there, when it will take place, and if our favorite mage will make an appearance.

 

 

Wow, I didn't know he was writing another DA book. I thought he was done with the series. If he is then I would love for Dorian to be in it and if Fenris is in it then....must...stop...dirty...thoughts...about Fenris and Dorian.

[nightscrawl]

I also have a problem with romance content being tied to character popularity or use of character (This is the same issue I had with Liara content in ME) because the lgbt options will never be as popular as the straight options, it seems like a unfair criteria to use to tailor resources around. Like I said before, there are plenty of other things that could have been cut in DAI.

I don't care for that measure of criteria either, but in the end it always comes down to resources.

To be honest, I'm just miffed about the tease of marriage. I'm certainly NOT saying that ALL of the romances needed to have a marriage option, because that is just not fitting with some of the characters or their circumstances. BUT, I certainly do not like the tease that happened and also the lack of further dialogue after it happens. IMO it wasn't a joke perpetrated by Varric on Cassandra, it was a joke on the player from Bioware -- and yes, I do think they most likely could have stopped the conversation from triggering if the player was in a romance with an NPC who couldn't/wouldn't get married.

I have various thoughts on how I think Dorian views marriage, how my Inquisitor views marriage, and how I view marriage in real life, and none of those are the same from one to the other.

Pretty much my only objection was that it was raised in the manner that it was, regardless of whether we were actually able to get married or not.

That said, if Dorian is not inclined to get married -- and I'm not sure he would be, in an official capacity -- then I don't imagine that the devs would be too keen on allowing the player to propose and then get turned down. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind raising the issue with him to see what he says, rather than offering a proposal. But I think that might be vastly more content (an involved discussion) than they were prepared to offer for a single DLC. And honestly, I don't think a game's dialogue system is quite up the task of a conversation such as that.
 
I actually think it may have been one of those brain-fart moments on the part of the devs where the Dorian romance is concerned, especially since s/s marriage was fully legalized in the US not long ago. So I'd imagine that some gay players were rather disappointed by the whole circumstance. I think it was an unintended clash of real-life with game stuff that ended poorly.

 

Wow, I didn't know he was writing another DA book. I thought he was done with the series. If he is then I would love for Dorian to be in it and if Fenris is in it then....must...stop...dirty...thoughts...about Fenris and Dorian.

It's based on this tweet.

As for Bull's popularity. I do remember quite a few articles coming out around the release of the game recommending Bull as the romance partner of choice.

I honestly do not understand why some people think their opinion on such matters is more valid than others' just because they get paid to write on some website. Such a thing is so highly subjective that I think it's absurd to recommend it unless you actually know the tastes of the person you're recommending it to.

As you might be able to tell, I never read reviews. Of anything.

[Hazegurl]

I don't feel that I have been "shafted" by the writers over my Dorian romance.   In fact I don't particularly like how helpless and incapable of defending himself the incident makes Dorian appear.   I was just looking for a bit of internal consistency.     If Dorian did get into trouble with some rump end Venatori and needed rescuing, then surely that applies to his story generally.    Therefore get either Bull or Inquisitor to mount the rescue depending on who he is romancing.    Alternatively, place the screens all at the end of the Iron Bull story, so it is clear that Dorian placed himself at risk by travelling out to the villa to see Bull, which of course does not happen when not in a romance with him.

 

I agree, Dorian's character development seems very inconsistent and perhaps it's because the writers tried to equalize the Dorian/Bull content to the point where the more I think about it, the more it just feels contrived or a bit OOC for Dorian. And I can't tell if it's contrived on the IQ's side or Bull's.  Is Dorian slow and incompetent or brilliant and quick thinking?

 

Why would Dorian maintain his romance with Qun Bull while being ambassador of his country? It seems like such an incompetent move.

Dorian now has allergies that seem to have sprang from nowhere...but only if you romance Bull.  So does he have them or don't?

Dorian is either capable of handling the problems he faces in Tevinter or can't and needs a rescue.

He's either too dumb to understand why Qun Bull wants to go to Tevinter or he's a quick thinker with a decent BS detector.   As we've seen with the whole Mother Giselle incident. 

 

 

@Nightscrawl, Don't remind me of that marriage tease.   I was so hoping to bring it up with Dorian, just to at least get his thoughts on the matter, esp considering the fact that Dorian once believed that a relationship between two men didn't go past the bedroom.  Since marriage was a big deal in the main game considering Dorian's story, this would have been the perfect opportunity to compare his feelings on the subject 2 years later. But that went nowhere.  I would be lying if I said I wasn't expecting to see my IQ and Dorian getting hitched.

 

I honestly do not understand why some people think their opinion on such matters is more valid than others' just because they get paid to write on some website. Such a thing is so highly subjective that I think it's absurd to recommend it unless you actually know the tastes of the person you're recommending it to.

 

I agree 100% The articles recommending Bull were the only reason I ended up recruiting him, because I didn't trust him the moment he says he's a spy, I flirted with him a few times and stopped due to his lackluster responses.  I couldn't understand why so many had recommended him. Then I gave Dorian a try and loved it! Now I can't understand why he didn't get as many recommendations.

[Gervaise]

That marriage proposals incident was one of the worst handled things in Trespasser I feel and came as a particular surprise since I thought they'd said previously that there would be no marriage opportunities.   So when Cassandra said she'd heard I was going to propose I thought "Really?"   Then since the dialogue opportunity was offered I took the one that said that wasn't such a bad idea (because you never know whether this is going to make a difference when it comes to it).   To be honest I wasn't that worried since I didn't feel we needed official acknowledgement from the Chantry of our union and was pretty certain that Dorian's comments about prattling priestesses when discussing his religious beliefs meant that he wouldn't place much store by Chantry recognition either.    Surely the Maker knew how we felt about one another already?  

 

Still I went to find Dorian with an open mind about the idea, only to be greeted with Varric (the apparent source of the joke) holding a farewell party for him.    I had some very unfriendly thoughts towards Varric at this point, only partially mitigated by the fact that the next time I spoke with him, he gave me a title and estate (may be he realised he needed something to save his a**  when he saw my face at the party).    However, most of my ire was reserved for whoever had the idea that it might be funny to tease us in that way.    Once again the Wiki seems to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick since it claims that it is hinted in game that we are already married  - news to me.   (I think they may be mixing us up with Iron Bull Inquisitor romance where you at least get to discuss marriage with him and you can take his reply any way you want)

 

However, the marriage proposals incident is not much better with Cassandra when we have very awkward encounter before she gets out that she thinks marriage is inappropriate for us at this time - I thought you were all for romance Cassandra?     The "joke" is even worse if you are still recovering from your romance with Solas.   I could never work out who seemed worse, Cassandra for not realising you weren't over him so hardly likely to be marrying anyone else, or Varric for playing the prank in the first place.

 

I thought the writing team was meant to get together to discuss whether certain ideas would be appropriate.   Are they all so insensitive that they didn't realise how badly the marriage joke would seem to those who ultimately  couldn't get married?

[Gervaise]

Moving on to more positive thoughts, I've been playing through some of my favourite tunes, trying to decide which one goes best with my Dorian romance.   When I played Undisclosed Desires by Muse, I felt that was it.  I know some people have linked it to Fenris but I thought it fits Dorian better.   What do you think?

 

I know you've suffered, but I don't want you to hide,

It's cold and loveless, I won't let you be denied.

Soothing, I'll make you feel pure,

Trust me, you can be sure.

 

I want to reconcile the violence in your heart,

I want to recognise your beauty's not just a mask,

I want to exorcise the demons from your past,

I want to satisfy the undisclosed desires in your heart.

 

You trick your lovers that you're wicked and divine,

You may be a sinner but your innocence is mine,

Please me, show me how it's done,

Tease me, you are the one.

 

I want to reconcile the violence in your heart,

I want to recognise your beauty's not just a mask,

I want to exorcise the demons from your past,

I want to satisfy the undisclosed desires in your heart.

[nightscrawl]

Still I went to find Dorian with an open mind about the idea, only to be greeted with Varric (the apparent source of the joke) holding a farewell party for him.

Dang that is horrible timing. I had the Casssandra conversation after that one.

 

Once again the Wiki seems to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick since it claims that it is hinted in game that we are already married  - news to me.

There is a banter (click on the glowy thing) in the Deep Roads portion of Trespasser where Dorian makes a remark about a previous romantic get away and uses the word "honeymoon," wonders about staying in some fancy room at the Winter Palace, and the bed therein. BUT I think it's just meant to refer to a romantic get away, and not an actual official honeymoon. I think that players who thought that were reading too much into it, honestly, particularly given the marriage conversation and the options the player has -- I picked the star: "I just might."

 

The "joke" is even worse if you are still recovering from your romance with Solas.   I could never work out who seemed worse, Cassandra for not realising you weren't over him so hardly likely to be marrying anyone else, or Varric for playing the prank in the first place.
 
I thought the writing team was meant to get together to discuss whether certain ideas would be appropriate.   Are they all so insensitive that they didn't realise how badly the marriage joke would seem to those who ultimately  couldn't get married?

Omg... the Solas one. I take back everything I said about the Dorian version. That is horrendous.

[Gervaise]

Darn it, must have missed the honeymoon word.   May be I picked the wrong option to get it or just wasn't listening properly.   Mind you it was probably just Dorian making a joke, which I don't mind because he is allowed to tease me.   May be he was referring back to Varric's little joke because he knew about it even though we never discussed it.

 

EDIT: I've just been back to check.  He says "second honeymoon".    I remember now.   He was joking.    Our first honeymoon was fighting Corypheus, which means I take it we can assume that either Dorian considers us married without any fancy ceremony  or you don't take it seriously at all.    I tend towards the latter, although he did say "There will always be an us..... You are the man I love....." which indicates a bond as good as marriage to my mind.   My Enavir was totally committed to Dorian long ago; he was just waiting to hear those words from Dorian.   Like I've said, the Maker knows our hearts and we know each others; that's what counts.  

 

I was thinking about the crystal again and when he said about getting in over his head, I don't think he meant physical threats at all.   In the Fade his greatest fear was temptation.    He knows how often other good Magisters, like his father and Alexius, have eventually crossed the line to achieve their aims and his greatest challenge would be to achieve his desires for his country without compromising his integrity.   So when he feels himself slipping, he can draw on his Amatus to help keep his resolve.   Essentially you're the guardian of his soul and I can't think of anything more precious and meaningful than that.  

[Arlee]

Still I went to find Dorian with an open mind about the idea, only to be greeted with Varric (the apparent source of the joke) holding a farewell party for him.    I had some very unfriendly thoughts towards Varric at this point, only partially mitigated by the fact that the next time I spoke with him, he gave me a title and estate (may be he realised he needed something to save his a**  when he saw my face at the party).    However, most of my ire was reserved for whoever had the idea that it might be funny to tease us in that way.    Once again the Wiki seems to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick since it claims that it is hinted in game that we are already married  - news to me.   (I think they may be mixing us up with Iron Bull Inquisitor romance where you at least get to discuss marriage with him and you can take his reply any way you want)

 

With Varric my assumption is he told Cassandra that sometime before everyone got there and before he talked to Dorian and found out he was leaving. But yea, I was generally amused by the writers including that but mostly because...

 

Omg... the Solas one. I take back everything I said about the Dorian version. That is horrendous.

 

Yea, I was thoroughly unamused by that one I feel like there really should have been an alternate dialogue for Cass there because Viv, Blackwall, and Sera all had the decency to ask about how she was dealing with things. /sigh

 

So I went ahead and did my first guy who was romanced with Dorian PT of Trespasser today and there was a nifty thing. He's the only one I had who drank from the well which allowed me to talk to the Elf spirits and instead of attacking us they helped us which was cool. Was sort of sad there wasn't any special options based on that in the talk with Solas though :/ I wonder if that means anything at all.

 

Also, I was disappointed because when we went on the last mission to deal with the Viddasala there was no extra dialogue with Dorian acknowledging my IQ was dying... that was super disappointing

[HurraFTP]

 

Also, I was disappointed because when we went on the last mission to deal with the Viddasala there was no extra dialogue with Dorian acknowledging my IQ was dying... that was super disappointing

 

In fact, I think there's an odd audio bug here.
When you're at the Winter Palace at night, a music begins to play on the background and the banter sometimes won't trigger if you enter in the Eluvian while the song is still playing. (at least, that what happens in my game, on pc)

I wanted to test all the answers and i've spend a long time one reload after another, waiting like an idiot in front of the mirror...

[Gervaise]

That last dialogue is a dodgy one.    I nearly didn't get it the first time as I ran down the path and suddenly there were the dialogue options for Dorian without any lead in conversation.    Next time I went much slower and got everyone.    Another time I went in and it didn't trigger, so had to go back and try again.    Suggest when you get back to the Winter Palace at night, you go off and watch a few fireworks, even do a bit of crafting.   That way the music will definitely switch off and you should be okay.  If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again.   Sometimes these odd trigger bugs would try the patience of a saint!

[Hazegurl]

So, who wants to play kick the dwarf?

 

I'm hearing about all this dialogue that I've never heard in my game. I never heard the honeymoon one and I believe some others mentioned that I've never heard. The only one I remember is Dorian remarking about my IQ dying, which was very touching.  It seems like I got the buggy dialogue but the others were a miss. lol! Whelp, I at least have a reason to replay this game.  I might go with an all mage brigade run. 

[Arlee]

Ohh, I'll give some of those ideas a try because I do have a save for right before I went on that mission. Thanks

[Joe25]

When Dorian and my Dwarven Inquisitor go out dancing.

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[Dr. Doctor]

When Dorian and my Dwarven Inquisitor go out dancing.

Spoiler

I always get a kick out of the Dwarven Inquisitor dancing with Florienne at the Winter Palace. Of all the places where they used the grow/shrink model tricks that scene was not one of them:

Dorian: Well done Amatus, I'm certain that had anyone else in that position would have scandalized the court.

Cadash: Being vertically challenged occasionally has its advantages.

[nightscrawl]

From my limited observation with the minimal use in the human romance, they tend to only use it during closeups -- kissing and whatnot. But the ball dance was wide shots where you see them moving around the dance floor, so it would have been ridiculous to use them there.

[FernRain]

Hi Dorian thread, I've got a few random photos of him and thought what better place to post them than here .. A couple with Sera too:

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[nightscrawl]

OH I've been wondering what he looks like with that armor on (I have yet to get it in the game). The whole "let's have a single bare arm" thing never gets old, really (no wonder he's cold all the time).

[Gervaise]

The armour comes from Trespasser but if you've already done it then I suppose it shows up under the Golden Nug.     You find it off one of those weird paths were you click the red thing and then it grows as you walk forward.     Dorian really does look good in it but then Dorian looks good in everything.      He's the polar opposite of Solas who looks terrible in just about everything apart from the specific elven robes.   Never trust a man without a sense of fashion. 

[Arlee]

The armour comes from Trespasser but if you've already done it then I suppose it shows up under the Golden Nug.     You find it off one of those weird paths were you click the red thing and then it grows as you walk forward.     Dorian really does look good in it but then Dorian looks good in everything.

 

Iirc the path to the eluvian where you get that armor from opens when you go to the library. Instead of going straight for the quest eluvian if you go around the platform to the left there will be another egg which turns on the new path and it'll for as you walk forward (I didn't realize this was thing until my third PT ><). It's a pretty awesome pattern in general. Also, in addition to the patterns you get a armor of it which is the fourth item needed to finish the set of the ring, belt, and amulet which are also found in different areas.

[GGGenesis]

What I don't like about Dorian in that armour is that his arms became suddenly feminine. It looks odd on him and believe me, the moment I got it I threw it on him and then cried because it was not magical like 99.9% of all armour on him. :'(

[nightscrawl]

All right. I've decided to make a mod simply for vanity purposes that changes the appearance of Dorian's default armor so he has a certain cohesive look during the cutscenes where you see him before you are able to recruit him and get really fancy with armors and whatnot. It's basically for screenshot purposes only, or as long as you keep him in that gear.

 

I've edited his Igneous Staff to have the complete "Staff of Parthalan" appearance and I'm currently playing around with white: white silk, white halla leather, white plush fustian velvet, (leaving the default metal as silverite). See examples here.

 

I am planning to release this mod, but I wanted to ask you wonderful people for color and fabric suggestions, since I know we all enjoy dressing up our favorite mage. I can simply change the default materials tints (please specify primary and secondary cloth), and/or change colors as I did with my white version.

 

Keep in mind that color changes to materials will affect the whole game.

 

I wanted to add Apprentice Mail Arms to the upgrade slot (for that sexy arm), but I don't think I can.

[Arlee]

^ Awesome! I'm super unhelpful but there's a really deep red cloth which I always think looks really good on him as an accent color... I think it's Highreaver or something like that? >< It starts with an "H" you'd think I'd remember because I just made an armor with it last night /sigh.

 

What I don't like about Dorian in that armour is that his arms became suddenly feminine. It looks odd on him and believe me, the moment I got it I threw it on him and then cried because it was not magical like 99.9% of all armour on him. :'(

 

That's an interesting observation... now I'm going to have to go back to the video I have with him in it and check it out because I didn't notice that at all.