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[Sifr]

Well, the dialogue does seem to suggest that they'd be having sex on it, so... yeah it doesn't sound too comfortable.

 

BUT if we take real-world (dinosaur) raptors into consideration, there could very well be such a thing as "wyvern down." Of course, this would probably be the most expensive stuffing in existence, given that wyverns themselves are rare, and that finding hatchlings to harvest it from would be extremely dangerous.

 

A bed stuffing that is both extremely rare and extremely dangerous to acquire definitely has that air of extreme Tevinter and Orlesian decadence we've come to expect from their elite... so there probably is a market for anyone rich and willing enough to send countless hunters to their death just to get it.

 

I really like his wrap armor model though. It's quite possibly my favorite armor in the entire game, and on my favorite NPC; a two-fer.

 

Actually, I think if you give him the sturdy armor model, and the battlemage gloves, that he should be quite toasty. For the normal, non-sturdy wrap, if he just let down the material on the left shoulder he would have more warmth, but that would also hinder movement, so... (Omg... I'm discussing how to keep a fictional character comfortable via armor. I have no life.)

 

You're not alone, in my last couple playthroughs I ended up crafting or giving Dorian cold resistant gear because he kept complaining about it so often...

 

 

[Melbella]

Well, the dialogue does seem to suggest that they'd be having sex on it, so... yeah it doesn't sound too comfortable.
 
BUT if we take real-world (dinosaur) raptors into consideration, there could very well be such a thing as "wyvern down." Of course, this would probably be the most expensive stuffing in existence, given that wyverns themselves are rare, and that finding hatchlings to harvest it from would be extremely dangerous.

 

 

Not to mention so incredibly wrong. Yeah, grown wyverns are dangerous critters but babies are babies*. Just say no, Dorian!

 

(*yes, I kill the dragon babies, but only because their mamas send them to attack me! )

 

A bed stuffing that is both extremely rare and extremely dangerous to acquire definitely has that air of extreme Tevinter and Orlesian decadence we've come to expect from their elite... so there probably is a market for anyone rich and willing enough to send countless hunters to their death just to get it.
 
 
You're not alone, in my last couple playthroughs I ended up crafting or giving Dorian cold resistant gear because he kept complaining about it so often...
 

 

Umm...me three?  Also guard-generating so he doesn't faceplant so much.

[nightscrawl]

Not to mention so incredibly wrong. Yeah, grown wyverns are dangerous critters but babies are babies*. Just say no, Dorian!

 

(*yes, I kill the dragon babies, but only because their mamas send them to attack me! )

 

 

Umm...me three?  Also guard-generating so he doesn't faceplant so much.

 

Yeah... I make a guard generating weapon later in the game, even though his boyfriend is a tank and is supposed to protect him from getting hit in the first place. Thank the Maker for casual mode.

 

I go into In Your Heart Shall Burn at the lowest level I possibly can (just under level 7 this past play) and I also only bring Dorian along so I can be sure to hear his various comments -- "Today is well beyond making sense," "We need to be noticed. Happens to be a specialty of mine," "There's our glorious end! All it needs is aiming," -- and it is quite a struggle to keep all of those damned templars off him.

[Melbella]

Here are the screenshots of the conversation I posted earlier between Dorian and Marcus in the Deep Roads. More from Trespasser are on pages 414-15 of the "What did you do today?" thread.

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[Arshei]

I don't know if romance Cassandra or Dorian

I think Dorian has more similitude with me, i love magic, but i don't want Cassandra be alone, if you don't romance Dorian he romances Iron bull...

[Melbella]

I don't know if romance Cassandra or Dorian
I think Dorian has more similitude with me, i love magic, but i don't want Cassandra be alone, if you don't romance Dorian he romances Iron bull...

The Dorian/IB romance only happens if you have them in your travel party a lot since it triggers through banter. If you don't take them both with you, it won't happen.

If you go for Cass, make sure you do everything you can so she doesn't end up as Divine. That ending really sucks.

[nightscrawl]

The Dorian/IB romance only happens if you have them in your travel party a lot since it triggers through banter. If you don't take them both with you, it won't happen.

If you go for Cass, make sure you do everything you can so she doesn't end up as Divine. That ending really sucks.

 

BUT her divine armor in Trespasser is AWESOME.

[Gervaise]

I  loved her Divine armour too.   I avoided making her Divine on my Cassandra romance run since he felt it would drive her crazy, apart from not wanting to be separated from her.    When I did my first Divine Cassandra run I thought I wasn't going to be able to use her but was pleasantly surprised that I could.   Then I saw her armour and I thought "Wow".    What with her new seekers to back her up and her own skills, I wouldn't think Divine Cassandra really needs our pared down peace keeping force.  

 

Anyone else get the irony that if you take the non-disband option our new Inquisition really ends up in exactly the same way as the old one.    People are calling for it to stand down; the Inquisitor does one last quest to save Orlais/Ferelden from a major threat; they end up neutralised (locked away/armless) and the organisation they led is absorbed into the Chantry.    What's the betting that future generations (assuming there are any) have no idea who the real Herald of Andraste was?    The only difference between Ameridan and the Inquisitor is that the latter is still active but still serving the Divine rather than giving the orders.     Largely the reason why in the majority of cases my Lavellan Inquisitors prefer to disband altogether than be under control of the Divine, even one they knew and helped put there.

 

I'm pretty sure that Dorian would secretly prefer the disband option since he had a pretty low opinion of the Chantry and from the beginning had pointed out that no matter how much you protested otherwise, your organisation and your own title of Herald would always link you closely to it.    If you are going to be stripped of practically all your power, then you may as well go the whole way, rather than surrender your freedom of action for the sake of a few Chantry resources.

[nightscrawl]

^ While that is true regarding Dorian's personal opinion, as the Tevinter Ambassador he also notes that they aren't too keen on the Inquisition -- gee, and I even sided with the archon and everything -- so I'd imagine that anything that would make the ruling parties antsy or look over their shoulder would be OK in his book. After all, he does say, "As much as watching my homeland beaten into submission would amuse me..." during the post-Mythal dialogue. Dorian is ever one to challenge the status quo**.

 

I think if there was an option to continue on as separate from the Chantry I think he wouldn't mind it so much since it would basically continue to be doing what it's been doing. But that's not an option, so...

 

 

 

** By the by, this is the reason that I take the, "You don't question it?" option during the slavery discussion, because, to my Inquisitor, it seems contrary to what he knows of Dorian's personality. In my head I place emphasis on the "you," so it comes across as, "You don't question it?" and it can be inferred that my Inquisitor thinks this is surprising of Dorian specifically, regardless of whatever the issue is. (Do note that I'm referring to my Inquisitor's reaction. I, as the player, intellectually know the reasons for it.)

[nightscrawl]

Random Q... Has anyone used the Blade of Tidarion yet? I got this schematic and am wondering whether it would be worthwhile to craft one. Does the mage move into melee range to hit things with it?

[HurraFTP]

Yes, they does.
I've made one for Viv. It was nice to watch her fight like that but the AI is not very clever with such a weapon. It can be great for a Knight Enchanter Inqui, btw.

[Fredward]

Random Q... Has anyone used the Blade of Tidarion yet? I got this schematic and am wondering whether it would be worthwhile to craft one. Does the mage move into melee range to hit things with it?

 

They're not bad, they get two offense slots which is nice but they don't get those little attachments which is not. They do move into melee range so I wouldn't recommend it if you're playing anything but KE. It also attacks slower than a staff but it CAN hit multiple enemies. Overall I think my qunari KE makes it work but aside from the novelty of it it isn't particularly  exceptional.

[Gervaise]

There are some interesting new items appearing.  I found some Griffon Robes (can't remember where - it may have been in Redcliffe Castle during Hushed Whispers).   They look good on Dorian and the sort of thing that would be good for colder climes.    Finding new things is making it interesting doing another run through.   The odd thing is that I'm sure Corypheus has an extra line during our confrontation that wasn't there before but may be I just didn't choose that particular option.    

 

I don't recall being given such emphatic options for non-belief either but may be you have to take a particular dialogue option early on to get a continuing sequence.  Does anyone know if this is the case?     I know my previous Inquisitors have tended to leave their options open rather than emphatically deny faith so it is interesting to see how this develops.  

 

Still can't get my head around Solas.   All those approvals for helping people don't mean much now I know what he has planned and those snippets of knowledge that he passes on, when I know he could divulge so much more if he chose to.   And Cassandra gets all riled up with Varric over concealing knowledge; if only she knew.    

 

I'm planning on using Iron Bull a lot more this run.  I'm romancing Dorian so no chance of them hooking up but  I decided I should be more open minded and see how his dialogue with Dorian actually sounds as against how it appears on paper in case I am misjudging him.       Should be interesting.

[nightscrawl]

^ The new items are from the Trespasser DLC. There are additional items out in the world as well as from war table operations. Also, depending on your difficulty level, I do suggest you try out some of the trials to get some of those fancy items (and schematics). There are about 4 that you can get away with leaving on all the time to just increase your chances of getting stuff. (Also, FYI if you don't get what you want in the chest you can just reload until it appears.)
 
 
Speaking of the new items... I love the flavor text for the Ring of Doubt. I would put it on Dorian but I dislike the stealth proc.

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Just curious Gervaise... are you planning on picking any new options in the Dorian romance? I always play it the same way because I'm really into the RP aspect of my Inquisitor (yes, I play the same guy repeatedly) and anything else would seem odd for him.

[Reznore57]

 (....)always play it the same way because I'm really into the RP aspect of my Inquisitor (yes, I play the same guy repeatedly) and anything else would seem odd for him.

 

Glad I'm not the only one doing that.^^

[Melbella]

They're not bad, they get two offense slots which is nice but they don't get those little attachments which is not. They do move into melee range so I wouldn't recommend it if you're playing anything but KE. It also attacks slower than a staff but it CAN hit multiple enemies. Overall I think my qunari KE makes it work but aside from the novelty of it it isn't particularly  exceptional.

I used one for a bit on my KE but I didn't really like being an all melee fighter as a mage. I like being able to ambush folks from afar and with that, as soon as you click attack, it moves you into close range. You can put elemental runes on it, however, which is something you can't do with other mage weapons. I definitely wouldn't use it as a low level character when you're still squishy, though.

[Gervaise]

Well I was going to try and play it differently but as it turns out, it just seems more natural to go with what I did last run.    For example, having discovered previously that you don't have to take every heart icon option to continue the romance, I prefer not taking it either with his father or after we get back, instead taking the option "I think you are brave", which Dorian really appreciates.    Then after the Mother Giselle confrontation I do take the heart icon because I like the way that goes and it seems to fit best with my character.   I love the line "I think this somewhat confirms the rumours."

 

Of course having done Hushed Whispers we are really steaming along on the romance front but I'm then going to wait a while before getting his amulet to see if I can get various dialogue to trigger with other companions before we get locked in.   Plus it is good to space things out a bit.    I can role play that I'm giving Dorian a chance to do things on his own like he says he wants.  

 

The only thing I have changed this run is my hair colour, so have dark hair and dusky skin instead of the golden boy look.   I have a hunch (based on the description of Rilenius) that is what Dorian is attracted to the most.  That way it makes sense that he might be recalling him when looking at his current lover.  

 

I usually make my Dalish dark but in the early days there was that awful shine to the hair which looked worse on darker hair, so I swapped to a look based on one of my own fictional characters.     It has taken a while to get used to the new look but I'm okay with it now.

 

Where I'm playing it differently is with some of my decisions.    So instead of getting Alexius researching magic for the Inquisition, I have him serving the Redcliffe mages.   Dorian approves of either decision but I think he appreciates the irony of him serving the mages.    I also waited to recruit the horse master until after Dorian had joined and got a dialogue option where Dorian persuades him citing the superiority of Tevinter horses.   I actually agree with Dorian because I seem to recall the Imperial horse is a dashing white steed.    Very impractical for warfare since it attracts attention to you but great for show so you stand out when you want to be noticed.

[Gervaise]

One thing I would have liked to discuss with Dorian but have never got the chance is why he decided to specialise in Necromancy.   I would have found that an interesting discussion, particularly for a mage.    There are a couple of conversations with Cassandra about Nevarra but not specifically about him.   Neither of my mages has chosen it as a specialism.    One went with Knight Enchanter, the other Rift Mage (as Solas' girlfriend I figured he would have taught her).    If you choose Necromancer does he say anything beyond the fact that you have chosen the same field as him?

[HurraFTP]

.    If you choose Necromancer does he say anything beyond the fact that you have chosen the same field as him?

 

No, sadly, I think he doesn't even mention it.

 

(Two necros on the field are fun though, lot of explosions everywhere!)

[Gervaise]

That's odd isn't it; you'd think he'd at least mention it.    When my rogue takes the assassin spec he has a comment to make on that because of his knowledge of Tevinter assassins, which had me wondering exactly how but again no further information on that front.    I think Maevaris hires assassins to kill her husband's murderers, so may be it is through her.    There is so much about Dorian that you don't learn in game and even with the information in WoT2 you are left with questions.   

 

For example, what was he doing for the 2 years he was meant to be wandering around Tevinter homeless?     Then there are questions from game if you play Adaar, when he says his previous experience of qunari was running away from them.    When?    Where?   No indication of any military service in WoT2 and the last attack on Qarinus was when he was only 1 year old.       Plus the comment he makes about Weishauppt during the game which indicates he has actually visited the place.   What reason did he have to go there?    Did Alexius send him to research about the taint in order to come up with a cure for Felix?      There is just so much more I'd like to know about Dorian and his life prior to the Inquisition.    I wonder if we will learn more in DA4. 

[Gervaise]

Oh dear, I think I may have made a big mistake.   Advice please.    For research purposes, back in Haven,  I clicked on the heart icon for Iron Bull to discover what he had to say for himself about qunari sex life.   I've never done this before because there is no way I'm ever going to romance him.   Anyway, it was noticeable that after Dorian and I had kissed following our encounter with Mother Giselle, I should have received a message from Leliana about his amulet.    So nothing happened, which was odd in itself because my approval must be really quite high with him by now.   Then the next time I went to speak with him I got the heart icon "we should talk".   So I did and confirmed I wanted us to get closer.    Went away, did some more questing, came back and clicked on him again.   Same option.   How many times do you have to tell Dorian you want to be closer before he gets the hint?! (I'm Joking of course - Dorian isn't usually this slow to catch on)   

 

The only time this has happened to me before was when I had flirted with him but had started a relationship with Josie, so clearly I would need to break off with Josie before it could continue (I assume because I continued with Josie).    So did making that one flirt with Iron Bull mean I have to tell him I'm not interested before Dorian will continue?       Seems a bit odd since previous runs I have flirted (once) with Cassandra and Josie without it impacting on the ability of the Dorian romance to continue.     Still there is no possibility of telling Bull I'm not interested when I click on him so either I continue on in the hope that it will sort itself out later or reload now.  Any suggestions?

[Hazegurl]

It could be a bug.  You might have to reload a past save and not pick the heart icon with Bull. Or there is a possibility that you may have exhausted Dorian's approval or something. idk, Dorian had quite a few romance bugs that were caused by different things. 

 

Speaking to them too much at Haven

Getting too high approval early on (like before reaching Skyhold)

The Tavern being empty when you enter

Speaking to Varric and Hawke before Dorian at Skyhold therefore causing a timeskip which glitched Dorian's romance.

 

It could be any one of those things that caused the glitch.  If you do have too high approval with him, perhaps doing something Dorian would disapprove of could help trigger the amulet. idk.

[nightscrawl]

One thing I would have liked to discuss with Dorian but have never got the chance is why he decided to specialise in Necromancy.   I would have found that an interesting discussion, particularly for a mage.    There are a couple of conversations with Cassandra about Nevarra but not specifically about him.   Neither of my mages has chosen it as a specialism.    One went with Knight Enchanter, the other Rift Mage (as Solas' girlfriend I figured he would have taught her).    If you choose Necromancer does he say anything beyond the fact that you have chosen the same field as him?

No, sadly, I think he doesn't even mention it.
 
(Two necros on the field are fun though, lot of explosions everywhere!)

 
I thought the lack of a comment by him on the Necro spec was odd. In fact, I think that ANY companion who has the spec should be guaranteed to respond, but that isn't the case. Blackwall also has nothing to say if you are a warrior and take the Champion spec -- you get Iron Bull wanting to know the reason you decided to "turtle up," and Sera concerned that you will turn into a pri*k like the "Chav-liers." But perhaps they didn't want to make the comments so predictable, which is why they varied them as they did.

 

There is so much about Dorian that you don't learn in game and even with the information in WoT2 you are left with questions.   
 
For example, what was he doing for the 2 years he was meant to be wandering around Tevinter homeless?     Then there are questions from game if you play Adaar, when he says his previous experience of qunari was running away from them.    When?    Where?   No indication of any military service in WoT2 and the last attack on Qarinus was when he was only 1 year old.       Plus the comment he makes about Weishauppt during the game which indicates he has actually visited the place.   What reason did he have to go there?    Did Alexius send him to research about the taint in order to come up with a cure for Felix?      There is just so much more I'd like to know about Dorian and his life prior to the Inquisition.    I wonder if we will learn more in DA4.

I always assumed that he traveled with his parents as well as Alexius on various occasions. During one banter with Cassandra he does specifically say that when he was a child his parents took him to Nevarra. Dorian is thirty-years-old; he's certainly had ample time for traveling. Regarding the Qunari, he could have witnessed an attack elsewhere, perhaps his father took him on an excursion to Seheron -- take your son to work day, lol... During Trespasser he also remarks that he's been living with the Qunari threat all his life, and it's kind of -- a relief, refreshing, I'm not sure of his actual wording here, but it's not said in a nasty way -- for someone else to experience it.

[nightscrawl]

Oh dear, I think I may have made a big mistake.   Advice please.    For research purposes, back in Haven,  I clicked on the heart icon for Iron Bull to discover what he had to say for himself about qunari sex life.   I've never done this before because there is no way I'm ever going to romance him.   Anyway, it was noticeable that after Dorian and I had kissed following our encounter with Mother Giselle, I should have received a message from Leliana about his amulet.    So nothing happened, which was odd in itself because my approval must be really quite high with him by now.   Then the next time I went to speak with him I got the heart icon "we should talk".   So I did and confirmed I wanted us to get closer.    Went away, did some more questing, came back and clicked on him again.   Same option.   How many times do you have to tell Dorian you want to be closer before he gets the hint?! (I'm Joking of course - Dorian isn't usually this slow to catch on)   
 
The only time this has happened to me before was when I had flirted with him but had started a relationship with Josie, so clearly I would need to break off with Josie before it could continue (I assume because I continued with Josie).    So did making that one flirt with Iron Bull mean I have to tell him I'm not interested before Dorian will continue?       Seems a bit odd since previous runs I have flirted (once) with Cassandra and Josie without it impacting on the ability of the Dorian romance to continue.     Still there is no possibility of telling Bull I'm not interested when I click on him so either I continue on in the hope that it will sort itself out later or reload now.  Any suggestions?

That sounds pretty bad... Always, always do a quicksave (or a hard save) if you are going to experiment with dialogue.
 
Based on your experience with previous romance options and Dorian I do find the discrepancy to be odd.
 
The order for the "surprise kiss" option is as follows:
1 Do Giselle scene and get the surprise kiss.
2 Talk to him again and confirm that you want to start the romance -- "I'd like to get to know you better."
3 Go to another map -- Val Royeaux, Hinterlands, wherever -- and then come back and the messenger should be there. (Though with this path if you move this quickly you have not seen the first "real" kiss -- kiss-on-demand -- option before the romance lock-in, which is worth a look for his laugh alone.)
 
If you did all that and you still only have the option to say that you want to begin the romance I'm going to say that it's bugged. Now, whether it's because you flirted with IB or some other reason, I've no idea.
 
If you have no other previous save to go back to the only solution I can think of would be to continue things with IB until you get to a break off point (I've no idea when this would be), and that hopefully that would fix it for the the Dorian romance. However, I understand that this is not ideal, especially if you have no interest in playing out any part of the IB romance for personal and/or RP reasons.
 
Honestly, if it were me I would start a new game, or go back to a pre-Dorian save and just start over with him altogether. But I'm the person who not only does numerous hard saves throughout the game at key points, but I'm willing to lose scores of hours -- and have done so -- due to a bad dialogue option, so I may be a bit atypical in this regard.
 
 

It could be a bug.  You might have to reload a past save and not pick the heart icon with Bull. Or there is a possibility that you may have exhausted Dorian's approval or something. idk, Dorian had quite a few romance bugs that were caused by different things. 
 
Speaking to them too much at Haven
Getting too high approval early on (like before reaching Skyhold)
The Tavern being empty when you enter
Speaking to Varric and Hawke before Dorian at Skyhold therefore causing a timeskip which glitched Dorian's romance.
 
It could be any one of those things that caused the glitch.  If you do have too high approval with him, perhaps doing something Dorian would disapprove of could help trigger the amulet. idk.

I got the tavern bug in the current play, so that is sill a thing. But thankfully it was fixed on the first reload. In the past I've had to enter and exit a few times to get it to work.

[Hazegurl]

I just thought about something, am I the only one who is a bit annoyed by the heart icon in the tavern scene during Dorian's personal quest? Not that it's there but that it implies the IQ is flirting with Dorian in front of his father during a personal family crisis.  I like selecting it because I view it as my IQ showing support for Dorian in front of his dad.  Essentially saying,"Hey you're not alone, I like men too, what's the big deal" or something but does it also imply that my IQ is hitting on Dorian right then and there? I also like picking this as the very first heart icon used when speaking to Dorian.  lol!! It almost makes it sound worst, like my IQ was just waiting for Dorian to confirm if he liked men before pouncing.