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[Melbella]

Well, considering you can take heart options with people you have no chance of romancing, or even when just a friend, I would go for the support interpretation. I think it just shows that you care about him. Just how much can be determined later.

[nightscrawl]

I just thought about something, am I the only one who is a bit annoyed by the heart icon in the tavern scene during Dorian's personal quest? Not that it's there but that it implies the IQ is flirting with Dorian in front of his father during a personal family crisis.  I like selecting it because I view it as my IQ showing support for Dorian in front of his dad.  Essentially saying,"Hey you're not alone, I like men too, what's the big deal" or something but does it also imply that my IQ is hitting on Dorian right then and there? I also like picking this as the very first heart icon used when speaking to Dorian.  lol!! It almost makes it sound worst, like my IQ was just waiting for Dorian to confirm if he liked men before pouncing.

 

I'm with Melbella. Unless the Inquisitor specifically states something, I think most such lines are open to interpretation.

 

Are you just annoyed that the "support" option you choose is considered by the game to be a flirt? I can understand this. If your character were gay (or bi) but had no romantic interest in Dorian for whatever reason I think it can be problematic to want to say, "Hey, I'm interested in men too. What's the big deal?" in support and have Dorian take that (because the game does) as showing interest. But such is the limitation of dialogue options.

 

I am curious though... is the reaction different if it's a first flirt versus having already flirted with him?

 

I never do this path because I don't ask him to clarify his "prefer the company of men" remark. By this time my guy has already been flirting with him -- those initial flirts are too much to resist for me -- and gotten a positive response, so I don't feel that it makes sense to ask this in my situation.

 

That said, seeing Dorian and the Inquisitor go off on a tangent in front of his father is hilarious, in addition to the    aspect of Dorian's immediate and forceful rebuke of Halward when he makes his untoward assumption**.

 

 

 

** As an aside, I have major issues with Halward when this option is taken. Despite his pleas for forgiveness and (honest) desire to see his son again, his assumption that Dorian joined the Inquisition just for a piece of ass is quite revealing in just how he views Dorian. It's really quite disturbing. When Dorian says, "What my father knows of me would barely fill a thimble," he's being quite accurate. Unfortunately. I also dislike the "pride" remark (as told to us by Dorian back at Skyhold). I don't for one second think that Dorian would EVER hurt someone he cared about so deeply because of pride. The comparison is borderline offensive, and I wish my Inquisitor could say so.

[Hazegurl]

Are you just annoyed that the "support" option you choose is considered by the game to be a flirt?

 

I think that would be it. But of course not because my IQ isn't interested, it just seems like the wrong time to toss in a flirt.  I don't want my IQ to come across "thirsty" but I can see how a gay/bi IQ who is romancing IB might not take the option only because it may be viewed as a flirt rather than support.  But yeah it's all about dialogue limitations. 

 

Dorian's reaction is different.  If you flirted with him before he'll sarcastically say "Nooooo, I'm shocked and surprised. You're not exactly subtle oh lord Inquisitor." if you've never flirted with him. He's more genuinely surprised and says "I wonder how they're gonna add that to the chant." Of course it's not word for word and I haven't played the game in a bit.

 

That said, seeing Dorian and the Inquisitor go off on a tangent in front of his father is hilarious, in addition to the    aspect of Dorian's immediate and forceful rebuke of Halward when he makes his untoward assumption.

 

That's why I love going the "Explain company of men" route because for a moment Halward is just standing there while Dorian rants at the IQ whose asking stupid questions. For a moment Dorian is totally focused on my trolly IQ whose annoying him.    And I think it adds a bit more to Halward's assumption about the two of them. Not that it makes him right, but perhaps he can see a small spark there or something in their little banter.

[nightscrawl]

And I think it adds a bit more to Halward's assumption about the two of them. Not that it makes him right, but perhaps he can see a small spark there or something in their little banter.

OH I love this interpretation.

[Reznore57]

Last time I played I tried to go full RP , and it was kind of fun.

My Dalish Inqui is a bit er dense , I guess?He's just not the best at romance , and had like zero experience .He's also not a flirt at all...

 

So I skipped every possible flirt line except the "I've heard a rumor " when you meet the dad .

Then I skipped the Kissy scenes after it and during the Gisele speech.

There was like zero flirting going on ...and it's Dorian who starts the thing with the whole "You have a pair of fetching eyes".

Of course I picked the "Thank You?" for my confused Inquisitor.

 

Then I picture a few weeks later my Inquisitor having a lightbulb moment ...like omg he's flirting with me!!!

So then very seriously (he's a very serious guy) he goes to see Dorian and talk "about us".

I was kind of rolling on the floor laughing because there's like no "us" at this point at all , Dorian just flirted one bloody time.

But it just fits so well with my Inqui just being this awkward and dense secret romantic kind of guy.

[Gervaise]

Panic over.   I get jittery every time this happens because of the trouble I had in DA2 with Isabella and Fenris.   Turns out I was one approval too low for the letter.   So you must need to have pretty high approval for it to trigger.    Got a Dorian approval for helping that command spirit in Crestwood, returned to Skyhold and bingo, I got the letter.   I also had a clue that things were okay in Crestwood because Blackwall suddenly started asking Dorian about his relationship with me and so I got the reply where Dorian offers to do drawings for him.   So it's all good.    

 

Looking back on it, it was rather comical that you keep getting the let's start a relationship conversation over and over until your approval is high enough.    It's like I keep saying "Now you're quite sure about that?"   "You really mean it don't you?"  "I didn't hear you wrong did I?".    I really don't see how I can ask to slow it down after that.

[Morry]

This thread is lovely, I've been reading through it these past few days since I finally hopped on the forums. 

 

I wanted to leave a question regarding Dorian after The Trespasser because i don't know, maybe I just missed this when reading the epilogue... But did anyone catch where they mention Dorian going exactly when he returns to Tevinter? Did he go back to his home town/city, Qarinus? or did he go to a different city like Minrathous? I feel like Minrathous was mention but I feel like he was supposed to be taking his father's place and would be in Qarinus (I bet he'd move around in his years there). I generally would just want to know because I was left kind of confused at the end as I feel it wasn't very clear :/ Maybe I just missed part of the epilogue card for him.

[HurraFTP]

He's in Minrathous. I think the word "magisterium" means both the assembly of the magisters and the place where they meet to discuss and govern the Imperium and this place is in Minrathous.

I'm not sure how it works. Does the magisters are also representative of their own region, town, or circle?

[Morry]

Thats what I thought, thanks! Though not having much info on how all that works in Tevinter still leaves some unanswered questions. I feel like it may be that the magisterium in Minrathous has representatives for their cities? Or maybe there are just people from different cities in Tevinter who work their way up to the magisterium. I'm kind of hoping we get Tevinter in DA4 and hopefully get stuff like that cleared up, because tbh I'm interested.

[nightscrawl]

Welcome aboard, Morry.

 

^ At the Winter Palace ball during Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts Dorian is introduced as, "Dorian of House Pavus, son of Magister Halward Pavus, Lord of Asariel." (A thing about the Vyrantium Circle is thrown in there as well, but I don't recall the exact wording.) Now, this is rather odd considering that Asariel is quite far away from Qarinus (map link), so I'm not really sure how Halward can be Lord of Asariel.

 

This is also not some discrepancy between World of Thedas Vol. 2 and the game (like there have been with some other things), because it is mentioned in the game that the Pavus home city is Qarinus. So I'm really not sure how that works.

 

Perhaps it is done by "districts" (for lack of a better term, and to liken it to the US House of Representatives), and long ago when the Pavus family was given their seat in the Magisterium they were assigned Asariel as their district. That is really the only thing I can think of. Incidentally, there is no "working up" to a seat in the Magisterium. It is completely favor and politics based, with the decision being made by the Magisterium itself and the archon.

 

Since the magisters are all from the altus class of ruling families, I'm going to assume that most of them also have houses or mansions either on the island of Minrathous or just across the bridge on the mainland where they stay while the Imperial Senate is in session, similar to the US Senators and Congresspeople who stay in Washington DC for a good chunk of the year.

[Bolt]

Oh dear, I think I may have made a big mistake.   Advice please.    For research purposes, back in Haven,  I clicked on the heart icon for Iron Bull to discover what he had to say for himself about qunari sex life.   I've never done this before because there is no way I'm ever going to romance him.   Anyway, it was noticeable that after Dorian and I had kissed following our encounter with Mother Giselle, I should have received a message from Leliana about his amulet.    So nothing happened, which was odd in itself because my approval must be really quite high with him by now.   Then the next time I went to speak with him I got the heart icon "we should talk".   So I did and confirmed I wanted us to get closer.    Went away, did some more questing, came back and clicked on him again.   Same option.   How many times do you have to tell Dorian you want to be closer before he gets the hint?! (I'm Joking of course - Dorian isn't usually this slow to catch on)   

 

The only time this has happened to me before was when I had flirted with him but had started a relationship with Josie, so clearly I would need to break off with Josie before it could continue (I assume because I continued with Josie).    So did making that one flirt with Iron Bull mean I have to tell him I'm not interested before Dorian will continue?       Seems a bit odd since previous runs I have flirted (once) with Cassandra and Josie without it impacting on the ability of the Dorian romance to continue.     Still there is no possibility of telling Bull I'm not interested when I click on him so either I continue on in the hope that it will sort itself out later or reload now.  Any suggestions?

Do the next story mission.  I had gotten to that point with Dorian and couldn't get the messenger to appear.  I went to the Western Approach and the Old Ritual Tower.  Went back to Skyhold, spoke to Dorian, and when I came downstairs the messenger was there,  I don't think the relationship progresses past the point if you don't proceed with the main plot.

[nightscrawl]

Do the next story mission.  I had gotten to that point with Dorian and couldn't get the messenger to appear.  I went to the Western Approach and the Old Ritual Tower.  Went back to Skyhold, spoke to Dorian, and when I came downstairs the messenger was there,  I don't think the relationship progresses past the point if you don't proceed with the main plot.

 

Yes, it does. It is completely possible to lock-in Dorian's romance with the quarters scene before even talking to Hawke on the battlements. I play all of the maps in a specific order due to head-canon stuff and consequently also do the romance in stages according to that. So I do lock-in the romance a while before even going to Crestwood.

 

I'm going to suggest that you got an approval boost during that cutscene that you don't remember, prompting the messenger to appear.

 

The pacing of Dorian's romance is actually one complaint some people have had, since some of the others have a more rigid structure and are purposely paced by the story progression, like Cullen's. However, it actually makes sense for his particular character because of his history, so it's really up to the player to pace things out a bit if you're so inclined.

[Morry]

 

Perhaps it is done by "districts" (for lack of a better term, and to liken it to the US House of Representatives), and long ago when the Pavus family was given their seat in the Magisterium they were assigned Asariel as their district. That is really the only thing I can think of. Incidentally, there is no "working up" to a seat in the Magisterium. It is completely favor and politics based, with the decision being made by the Magisterium itself and the archon.

 

Since the magisters are all from the altus class of ruling families, I'm going to assume that most of them also have houses or mansions either on the island of Minrathous or just across the bridge on the mainland where they stay while the Imperial Senate is in session, similar to the US Senators and Congresspeople who stay in Washington DC for a good chunk of the year.

 

Thinking of it that would make quite a lot of sense, and less confusing honestly.. The lack of information on the topic made it quite confusing, and still does, as to why Dorian is mentioned to be where he is in Tevinter and I'm just gonna cross my fingers it may get cleared up in the future game... (or book, who knows)

[Hazegurl]

 

** As an aside, I have major issues with Halward when this option is taken. Despite his pleas for forgiveness and (honest) desire to see his son again, his assumption that Dorian joined the Inquisition just for a piece of ass is quite revealing in just how he views Dorian. It's really quite disturbing. When Dorian says, "What my father knows of me would barely fill a thimble," he's being quite accurate. Unfortunately. I also dislike the "pride" remark (as told to us by Dorian back at Skyhold). I don't for one second think that Dorian would EVER hurt someone he cared about so deeply because of pride. The comparison is borderline offensive, and I wish my Inquisitor could say so.

 

I agree, Halward thinking Dorian ran off from home and joined the Inquisition for some booty is one of the reasons I told Dorian to just leave in my first PT.  I felt for Halward but his remark was pretty off putting.  Like he really thinks Dorian would place his life in danger on a daily basis for sex he could get back at home or that my IQ would hire someone for sex reasons. But I do like letting Dorian and his father patch up their relationship and I do like that it doesn't end with them being 100% on good terms because repairing a relationship like that is a process. 

 

Yeah, I also thought Dorian should have cooled down comparing himself to his father, but I wonder if this is a part of Dorian's whole "Temptation" theme, which is one of Dorian's fears.  Like he understands where Halward is coming from due to how Tevinter is and probably recognizing that he too could eventually give in out of pride.

 

 

^ At the Winter Palace ball during Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts Dorian is introduced as, "Dorian of House Pavus, son of Magister Halward Pavus, Lord of Asariel." (A thing about the Vyrantium Circle is thrown in there as well, but I don't recall the exact wording.) Now, this is rather odd considering that Asariel is quite far away from Qarinus (map link), so I'm not really sure how Halward can be Lord of Asariel.

 

I think it means that Halward is Lord of Asariel the same way the Warden can be the Arl of Amaranthine.  It probably some little area somewhere he rules over.  I would bet they have real estate in quite a few places in Tevinter.

[nightscrawl]

Yeah, I also thought Dorian should have cooled down comparing himself to his father, but I wonder if this is a part of Dorian's whole "Temptation" theme, which is one of Dorian's fears.  Like he understands where Halward is coming from due to how Tevinter is and probably recognizing that he too could eventually give in out of pride.

Dorian isn't the one who makes the comparison, Halward is, I wouldn't have phrased it that way if it were. His exact line is, "He says we're alike. Too much pride. Once I would have been overjoyed to hear him say that. Now I'm not certain. I don't know if I can forgive him." That is why the comparison is so bad to me, because Halward is not seeing Dorian for who he is, and he never has.

 

Also, regarding the reconciliation aspect of it... I always pick, "Don't leave it like this, Dorian. You'll never forgive yourself," because you can see his pain in the scene. I really can't see how it would be helpful to simply leave and have everything hanging out there, completely unresolved. Dorian says it best, "It wasn't what I expected, but... it's something."

[Hazegurl]

Ah okay, My mistake, I haven't played the game in a while, I thought I had most of Dorian's dialogue remembered. lol! 

 

Yeah it is pretty bad when I see it like that.  Dorian isn't happy that his father thinks he would have done the same to someone he loves.  It seems like Halward was just trying to lessen the blow of what he had done for himself, which is quite selfish. 

[Melbella]

The pacing of Dorian's romance is actually one complaint some people have had, since some of the others have a more rigid structure and are purposely paced by the story progression, like Cullen's. However, it actually makes sense for his particular character because of his history, so it's really up to the player to pace things out a bit if you're so inclined.

This is the problem I have: I get started and can't stop until *romance scene*! In order to justify spreading it out over more missions, I head-canon quizzie taking some time to decide whether or not to tell Dorian about the letter (he always does), then with everything else going on being unable to actually get back to Redcliffe right away. Then also, as mentioned above, giving Dorian time to try to figure out a way to get back the amulet on his own. Later, they just happen to be in Val Royeaux  (usually to buy the nug box) and go talk to toad-guy since Dorian has so far been unsuccessful. It still all happens before Adamant/Palace though. I can't wait any longer than that.

[Bolt]

Yes, it does. It is completely possible to lock-in Dorian's romance with the quarters scene before even talking to Hawke on the battlements. I play all of the maps in a specific order due to head-canon stuff and consequently also do the romance in stages according to that. So I do lock-in the romance a while before even going to Crestwood.

 

I'm going to suggest that you got an approval boost during that cutscene that you don't remember, prompting the messenger to appear.

 

The pacing of Dorian's romance is actually one complaint some people have had, since some of the others have a more rigid structure and are purposely paced by the story progression, like Cullen's. However, it actually makes sense for his particular character because of his history, so it's really up to the player to pace things out a bit if you're so inclined.

I know it's possible to lock him in earlier.  I'm just stating what I did in one playthrough where it was "stuck" for me and I couldn't get the messenger to appear.  I've had this problem with other romances and sometimes non-romance personal quests, too.  It could just be an issue with my game, I suppose.  I also have an issue where if I try to talk to Cullen after arriving at Skyhold (when he's still in the courtyard), I'll get a black screen.  I always have to travel to another map and come back to talk to him.

[Dr. Doctor]

I thought the lack of a comment by him on the Necro spec was odd. In fact, I think that ANY companion who has the spec should be guaranteed to respond, but that isn't the case. Blackwall also has nothing to say if you are a warrior and take the Champion spec -- you get Iron Bull wanting to know the reason you decided to "turtle up," and Sera concerned that you will turn into a pri*k like the "Chav-liers." But perhaps they didn't want to make the comments so predictable, which is why they varied them as they did. I always assumed that he traveled with his parents as well as Alexius on various occasions.

Dorian has a conversation with Speaker Viuus about the spec and how Tevinter necromancers don't shove spirits into every available body. I'm also surprised that Sera didn't make the obvious joke that always comes with playing a necromancer:

Sera: So you're one of those necro-things right?

Dorian: It's true, I am a necromancer. Mother never approved, (imitating a woman's voice) "Oh Dorian, why don't you become a healer like your cousin instead of playing with those corpses?"

Sera: But isn't he kinda you know... alive for that sort of thing?

Dorian: Vishante kaffas, I'm a necromancer not a...you know.

[Gervaise]

I think the various titles probably work a bit like they do in Britain.    We have the Duke of Richmond and Gordan (one place in London and the other in Scotland) who is based in Sussex at Goodwood.   Then you have the Duke of Norfolk who is also based in Sussex at Arundel.     The heir to the throne besides being Prince of Wales is also Duke of Cornwall.     With the exception of Wales, these titles also involve large land holdings.    So may be House Parvus has holdings and official positions in all these places but their ancestral seat is Qarinus.     Before he was forced to step down over the public speculation about the scandal with his son, WoT2 says that Halward held the position of consiliare to the Archon which carried a lot of prestige.  So I imagine that Halward, or his ancestors, had amassed a lot of holdings and wealth over the years.   Plus of course there is Dorian's mother who probably brought various titles into the family with her.  

 

This is why I feel that since Dorian did inherit his father's seat in the Magisterium and probably the estates as well, he is going to be very wealth now, which will help his efforts no end in changing minds and hunting down his father's killers.

[nightscrawl]

^ Heh it's quite a role reversal between Dorian and an Inquisitor who disbands the Inquisition. I find the circumstance interesting because he's never wanted power, and although he can play the Game (Tevinter's game, far more deadly), he doesn't like it. But now he's forced into the role, and I imagine he'll perform very well despite everything.

[nightscrawl]

Tiny Dorian tidbit from a recent DG interview. Man, I'm gonna miss this guy working on Dragon Age.
 
He was answering a question about handing out writing assignments as the head writer and spoke about characters...

That sometimes pertains to characters as well. There’ll be follower characters that I like, but I like to have writers, the ones working for me, I prefer it when they get to work on characters they are personally interested in, so I tend to let them have first pick of the litter, so to speak, and I’ll take whatever’s left. Although on Inquisition I did get to work on Dorian, which was kind of something I wanted from the get-go, and I kind of glared at everyone, like don’t you dare try to take that from me. That worked out. But it doesn’t always.

 
I imagine that if they had a general outline for the character that most of them knew David would want to write him from the get-go. And I've gotta say, it is nearly impossible to imagine him being written by anyone else, or that I would like the character quite as much.

 

(Oh, and we didn't get a dog because we had a horse.)

[Gervaise]

I like the fact that Dorian can't think it will seem he is trying to curry favour with the Inquisitor now but I can almost imagine him teasing a little bit about the fact it is the reverse situation.

 

I had a comment tonight that I hadn't got before when we were running round Crestwood and Dorian said how we should be careful because this place has dogs.  So I'm thinking, "Surely you're not afraid of dogs, Dorian?"   Then it hit me, not dogs but Mabari, because I remembered what Fenris said about how the Mabari were originally bred in Tevinter and then decided they'd had enough of serving Magisters.   So may be they have horror stories in Tevinter about these terrible dogs that turned on their masters.    After all the Archon definitely prefers cats.     So may be they just don't have dogs any more.     So I suppose it is just as well we got a horse instead of a dog.   Just as well Dorian was going back to Tevinter seeing as Cullen got a huge Mabari to accompany him.

[Morry]

I had a comment tonight that I hadn't got before when we were running round Crestwood and Dorian said how we should be careful because this place has dogs. 

I don't think I've heard this comment either, do you know where around Crestwood you heard it?

 

I always like small comments like that, where at first they sound kind of like nothing, but then you think about it. It also kind of sucks that you might never hear the comments due to where they are triggered.. like, I never heard Dorian's comment at the Storm Coast where he says something along the lines of not liking being near the waves because it makes him feel seasick. I finally heard it on my third play through, somehow it took that long for me to step in the right spot on the coast.

They sound like small off-hand comments but they're nice to hear because if you think about them you get some small info on the character and it's nice!

[Joe25]

This DLC makes me sad. Only, because now my Inquisitor can only play with one end of Dorian's mustache at the time.