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[SentinelMacDeath]

 
Hah, I used that exact phrasing in a fic I wrote. 

 

A fic? Is it a naughty fic?

[nightscrawl]

A fic? Is it a naughty fic?

 

That particular one, no. It takes place very shortly after In Hushed Whispers, so Dorian has just recently joined the Inquisition, which is why my guy is thinking about Dorian's appearance in such a way.

 

Because of the way Dorian comments on his own looks, I don't have my Inquisitor refer to them very often, except in his own mind. It's superficial, and Dorian knows it too, and knows that it really has no meaning. In a country where many of the altus are bred for good looks (among other things), he's not exceptional in that regard, and it's expected, so his attitude about it is part of his facade. I think he can appreciate that he is an attractive person, but I don't believe that he's actually truly vain.

 

Despite the above remarks, I still want my Inquisitor to be able to interject during the banter with Cassandra:

Cassandra: You're not as handsome as you think, Dorian.

Inquisitor: Yes, he is!

Cassandra: Don't encourage him!
Dorian: I must be, or you wouldn't have been thinking about it all this time.
Cassandra: Anyone who claims it as often as you must be dreadfully concerned they're not.
Dorian: Look at this profile. Isn't it incredible? I picture it in marble.

 

I just know Dorian would be grinning at that, despite himself.

[Gervaise]

I picked up on the Tevinter idea of bodily perfection when my Inquisitor was coming to terms with the loss of his arm.   It was after getting back from the Crossroads but before going before the Council again.    No matter how strong a person you are, losing the arm in that way has to be pretty traumatic.  

 

In my elven archer's case it was doubly so.   He'd always bought into the Dalish belief that their ancestors were all magical, so the ideal elf has to be a mage.   So as a young elf he was devastated when he discovered he had no magical ability but then threw himself into the role of hunter/protector, determined to make himself the best possible archer.   Then when he got the anchor it seemed to him like his prayers (to Mythal ironically) had been answered; now he did have magic and then Solas told him it was elven.   It was pretty special magic too.    Then in one fell swoop he loses not only his unique bit of magic but his ability to be an archer as well, so it's like his entire identity has been torn away from him.    So he is suffering a big emotional crisis and suddenly very insecure.    He's always known he wasn't quite what Dorian normally gravitates towards physically (an understatement) but you could say for an elf he does have a perfect body (slim but firm and muscles in the right places).   Then suddenly he doesn't; he's maimed and no longer perfect.  

 

I had him even asking Dorian if he could still love him now he's not perfect.    It's ridiculous of course; he knows Dorian loves him for who he is, not just how he looks but like I say, he's pretty traumatised and not thinking straight.   Then Dorian says nothing but simply takes the maimed arm and kisses it.      The following morning Inquisitor Lavellan disbands the Inquisition, giving that wonderfully defiant aggressive disband speech.    

[Hazegurl]

 
There are a lot of options for changing Dorian's default outfit without doing actual texture changes.

You can change the specific metal tint in the files, which would require a lot of trial and error.

*snip*
 

OMG! You are ridiculously awesome!

 

I used ebx editing to change Dorian's eye color before. I had no idea I could use it to change his clothing color as well! I'll tinker around with it for a while and if I run into any trouble I'll PM you.

 

Thank you so much!

[Gervaise]

I've just been replaying the Well of Sorrows and thought I'd try drinking for a change.   In the past I'd always felt my emotional connection to Dorian was too great to allow this, particularly after I'd witness his reaction following Adamant and he had specifically said he didn't want to lose me to the Well.    However, I decided to give it a go to see how it felt.    Poor Dorian, you always know when he's really worked up by the amount of Tevinter swear words that issue forth, so that made me feel bad for him but I persisted and as Kieran was out of the picture for this run, we went to the glade with the altar.   So I had my meeting with Flemeth and after defeating and taming the dragon, Dorian said it he hadn't seen it, he wouldn't have believed it.    It was then that it occurred to me that Dorian might actually enjoy this as a talking point when he gets back to Tevinter.    Someone would bring up the fact that they don't believe the Inquisitor is anything special particularly now he has lost the anchor, to which Dorian could reply he still has the knowledge of ancient spirits and that he has seen him tame a high dragon, so not impressive at all really (in the really sarcastic way that only Dorian can do).     I still feel bad about the putting him through the worry like that though, so thinking about back tracking and going with not drinking as usual.

 

So I was wondering whether you think the Well is going to have any significance beyond being able to control those elven spirits in Trespasser and how you view the decision over whether to drink or not.

 

I've just been to speak with Vivienne and expressed my concern about what I might have got myself into by drinking.    Vivienne surprisingly was all in favour of me drinking (I know she hates it if you let Morrigan do so) but then said an interesting thing.    She suggested she get together with Dorian to come up with a way of circumventing whatever hold it has on me.   Whilst I feel she might be rather over optimistic of her powers in overcoming an ancient elven binding, it is still reassuring that she wants to at least try and she thinks highly enough of Dorian to involve him as well.   (Notice she doesn't intend asking Solas - she always had him pegged).   Still with both Vivienne and Dorian working on the matter may be they could come up with a solution.   Mind you she says the same in Trespasser about the anchor and we know how that turns out but it is nice to know that she at least cares enough to try and has no objection to working with Dorian.    In fact I think she has really warmed to him.

[nightscrawl]

In case anyone hasn't seen...
 

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Ladies pullover hoodie in the BW store, design inspired by Dorian's base armor. It does come in XXL, so I think some guys can get away with wearing it too**. Like the Inquisitor zip hoodie (which I own), the attention to detail is really great; the faux buckles and plush fustian velvet pattern for the collar look really nice. I can also attest to the quality of BW store apparel, so if you haven't bought from them before, give it a go.
 
Dorian probably wishes he had a hoodie like this to keep him toasty. Winter is coming! (Er, different series...)



** I tend to buy some things in men's sizes/designs. Some retailers get carried away with pink crap for women... *gag*. Added bonus is that a lot of menswear is a mite better quality, like flannel shirts, because it's assumed that it will get more wear/rougher use.

[nightscrawl]

So... if you take the Dorian romance path of picking the kiss after The Last Resort of Good Men, and the option "not undue at all" during the Giselle conversation, the smile the that Inquisitor gives when Dorian says, "Overdue, then?" is SO f'ing adorable... omg... no wonder Dorian falls for the guy.

 

It's even cuter when fully animated, but still...

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[SentinelMacDeath]

God I love this hoodie!

[Gervaise]

I've decided on reflection that there is no way my Inquisitor would drink from that Well even if he is an elf.   When you have both Dorian and Solas saying they won't do it, Cassandra saying she thinks you shouldn't and Dorian expressing his concern at losing you, plus my own realisation that you will be under a geas, there really is too much working against it.   After all it is not as though Abelas acknowledged me as one of his People.     Ultimately I doubt it will have any really serious implications down the line but you never know with Bioware.    I did have the horrible thought that since I feel Dorian could hold the key to stopping Solas (because the knowledge is there in Tevinter, possibly in Alexius' research), then you might have a situation where you were being compelled to kill him.    It is bad enough watching someone else doing this (I haven't forgotten Drizzt and BG2) but to be forced to do it myself.   No way.   So I'll just leave that save sitting redundant, a bit like the one where I accidentally got Vivienne as Divine.

 

Have been messing around with the décor in Skyhold.   Decided to do a Tevinter makeover to make Dorian feel at home and freak out the locals.   I do like the fact you get red carpets with it; makes the place have a much warmer feel.

 

I think I may finally have found something that Dorian doesn't look good in.   Sentinal plate.   I don't know about anyone else but for me it just looks wrong on him.   (Sorry I still haven't got the hang of posting pictures - anyone else got a shot?)

[Reznore57]

I don't drink from the Well , main reason I suppose is I prefer the story when Morrigan gets it ...

With my elf it swings both ways he is quite religious and he's fond of Mythal and he has a deep sense of duty towards his People , but the magic thing isn't his thing at all.He could happily live in a world without magic and the anchor was already giving him an headache...

He felt really guilty about the whole thing though.

 

Anyway we don't know who ends up pulling the leash at the end of DAI ,Solas or what's left of Mythal.

And if it's Mythal , we don't really know where she stands.

[nightscrawl]

Sorry this is a digression from Dorian a bit...

 

I'll preface this by saying that I am not religious IRL, but my Trevelyan is and still has his faith in the Maker despite all events throughout the game. I suppose I should also add that I have never had an interest in elves in this game, or in any fantasy franchise for that matter. I just don't find them, or their lore, that interesting. Within DA, the non-human race I prefer the most are the dwarves, which I do find quite interesting.

 

That said, I don't really understand the attitude of many elf players regarding their current view of the creators. I tend to feel that the whole concept of faith is believing in something -- a god or gods, concepts, ideas, etc -- when there is no proof, how you are shaped by that faith, what you do with it, and so on. I don't think that anything we saw in DAI (I still haven't played Descent yet, but I doubt my view will change) regarding the elven pantheon was definitive proof either way. So Abelas said some stuff, Solas said some stuff (like we should trust him now...), but it's not proof.

 

Yet many elf players are acting like their, and their character's, faith has been obliterated by these events. Now, I can understand if you want to role play it that way. My guy certainly had struggles with his faith all throughout the events of the main game. But I don't see it as an absolute certainty, and I believe the developers intended for it to be this way because that is the whole point of faith, and indeed a concept that made up a significant part of DAI itself.

[Reznore57]

I don't think my Inquisitor's faith has been 100% obliterated , I'm also not religious IRL , but anyway when you deeply believe in something , and it's something important shaping your views of the world etc...and you're facing the fact you might have been wrong, in my experience it's not an easy thing to deal with.

You don't woke up the next day , thinking "oh yeah I was wrong , moving on.."

 

The way I'm picturing it my Inqui is holding on to every details to keep his faith going on , like Flemythal helping with Cory , or Solas being the Dread Wolf .But it's a struggle because honestly the main elven Goddess said she couldn't help the elves , and the other elven "God" says Dalish aren't really elves and should die with all the other race.

 

The most hilarious moment happened when I replayed DAI after Trespasser , and I had the first Skyhold discussion with Dorian .

He talks about how Corypheus is a personal business for him , because he was part of his people , Tevinter etc...and the creature is also a threat because some people from Tevinter are ready to follow him for the sake of Tevinter glory.

 

So basically now my Inqui is in the same spot as Dorian , Solas being an elven god wanting to bring back elven glory and using current elves to do who knows what.

And chances are in DA4 the Inquisitor will be pushed to the sidelines and I will cry bitter bitter tears.

[Gervaise]

My elf has mixed feelings about the revelations.   In some ways it has strengthened his views about preserving his culture because, contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, by the end of Trespasser he feels that the Dalish actually got a lot of the story right.   In fact considering Dorian says that Tevinter were constantly supressing the truth about their history connected with the elves and playing up their part in their downfall, it is hardly surprising that this became part of the racial memory of a people who were slaves of the Imperium for so long.    Nevertheless their old folk lore that was probably handed down verbally over the years did get pretty close to the truth regarding Fen'Harel and why the elves suddenly found themselves  without the aid of their gods against their enemies.   The Dalish felt they had a duty and responsibility to remember the past and uncovering the truth is all part of that belief.  

 

Their traditions with regard to how their view home, family, loyalty, craftsmanship, etc, are all valid.     Refusing to surrender to the Chantry led countries and maintaining their freedom also seems a worthwhile goal.  Everything he learns about the condition of the city elves whether in southern Thedas or Tevinter confirms in his mind that the Dalish should "never submit".     He has revised his views about Tevinter somewhat; he would no longer be glad to see it wiped off the face of Thedas and that is largely down to Dorian.   In fact he is a lot less anti-human, thanks to Dorian and Cassandra, the only two humans he really trusts because they seem to care about the truth as much as him.    However, he acknowledges that he is going to have an uphill task convincing other clans to see things his way and likely he will be condemned as a traitor, particularly if they know about his relationship with Dorian.   He is hopeful his own clan will be more understanding, particularly since they are now working with city elves and humans in Wycombe.   Since they also now have the backing of Kirkwall, thanks to Varric, he hopes this might serve as an example to both races how they can benefit from working together as equals.

 

How he view their gods is really down to how much he trusts Solas.    If the latter had simply been trying to restore the elven people in some way, without destroying the world in the process, he might be more inclined to believe him and support him.    What Flemeth said gave him pause for thought.    Initially she seemed to suggest that she didn't help them because you couldn't turn back time to the way things were, then she says she wants a reckoning.   He is still wondering who with.    Of course he doesn't know what we know about the encounter between Mythal and Solas, so he still lives in hope that he may encounter Flemeth again and learn more.   Nearly forgot; Mythal told him that he "Does the People proud, who have come far."   So to her we are the People but the people "who have come far", presumably from what we originally were.  Either that or she simply means that I have come far.  (Not sure about that).   Still an endorsement from the goddess whose vallaslin he wears and who has been living in the world, is surely better than the rejection of her servant who has spent most of his time asleep, with no idea what it is like in the real world.

 

What he does know is that there is no point praying to his own gods and expecting action because it is pretty clear they can't respond (which is what he understood from their legend of Fen'Harel anyway) , so he prefers the idea of using the version of them that he was taught as a child as exemplars of how to live.  So the vallaslin are no longer slave markings but indicators of the role you intend to play in Dalish society.   For example, he has the vallaslin of Mythal because he is a protector of the clan.   They are now a badge of honour regardless of what they may or may not have been in the past.

 

He is quite happy to adopt the moral teaching of Andraste and even Dorian's idea that there must be a Maker out there somewhere, but he doesn't expect him to intervene directly, may be just nudge things as Flemeth says she has done down the years.   He still doesn't like or respect the Chantry as a whole and is sceptical about the longevity of the changes which the new Divine proposes, although they probably have a better chance with Cassandra than Leliana.         So on the whole his faith is pretty much in tact, with a few modifications.   His elven heroes are pretty much untarnished by history and he has added to their number: Shartan, Garahel, Gisharel (who believed sharing Dalish culture with human scholars would help them understand and respect it), the Hero of Ferelden (nearly always an elf whether Dalish, City or Circle Mage in my games) and Ameridan.

[Hazegurl]

My IQ is a human who really didn't care too much for the concept of faith.  Faith is often confused with facts and at worse it can cause people to disregard new knowledge and never really learn anything. Blind faith can be a dangerous thing as well.  Mother Giselle speaks a lot about faith, she's very good at providing inspiration that keeps people going which is wonderful, but he also recognizes the manipulation behind it.  You give people hope and faith, they follow you, and you fling them at your causes and enemies.  It's really not unlike what Cory himself is doing. And I would even say that the Haven incident changed my IQ and it's not just that people died.  But the fact that people were so willing to drop to their knees to him with Giselle leading the way. Of course Giselle is no Cory, she's not hurting anyone...but then again, is Cory? Not really. His followers are willing to follow whether it's through corruption or their own free will.   My IQ began to see his followers as mere tools.  Tools he would use to change the world, if he could. This is why he didn't have any hard feelings against Cory after Haven. And why he doesn't hate Solas at the end of Trespasser.  The three of them are pretty similar to each other, their goals are even similar in nature, but the path they wish to walk to reach those goals are different.

 

When the elven lore began coming into play, my IQ was naturally more of an observer. He wasn't fully invested, just soaking in the new information and trying to reach his own conclusions and how all of this could relate to the concept of the Maker.  To him, The Maker as well as Andraste could have been Mages and with the reveal of Mythal and Flemeth, his theory seems closer to the truth.   But I do agree, that if a player is roleplaying fully believing in the Elven Gods, then I don't see how Solas' word alone is enough for a complete 180.

 

As for the Well, I always play my Mages as knowledge/power chasers, they want to know everything so when he had the Well in front of him, something that could offer the type of knowledge that has been lost for centuries, he couldn't resist.  He understood Dorian's plea and it was enough to make him waver, but couldn't allow personal feelings to get in the way of something like this. So he drank and accepted that Dorian would punish him later.

[Gervaise]

I'm a bit puzzled by a short exchange between Cassandra and Dorian that I've never got before.   We're in the Hissing Wastes and Cass asks Dorian if she can smell perfume.   Then he says he can smell perfume.   End of conversation.     Okay, may be I'm a bit dense, but is the implication that Dorian is wearing some sort of perfume?   Nothing wrong with that but, as I say, I've never got this conversation before, so far as I can remember.  

 

Also do you think Dorian appreciates the Ring of Doubt?    I did actually give it to him but that meant he spent a lot of time invisible which isn't much fun.    Still it would seem Dorian wasn't the first young altus who objected to his arranged marriage and that one came up with a rather ingenious way of dealing with it.

 

I'm still finding that Cassandra and Cole are way more chatty with Dorian than any other companion.

[nightscrawl]

^ o_O That perfume thing is a new one for me. Shame you don't have exact quotes... It really depends on what they actually say and the tone in which they say it. As you paraphrased it, it doesn't sounds like either one of them are wearing perfume. Why would Dorian comment that he can smell it too if he was the one wearing it? And with Dorian, it is mostly tone, rather than actual wording.

 

Need more information...

 

At any rate, I'm not entirely sure that he would actually appreciate the Ring of Doubt. It would be a reminder of his familial conflicts and the especially rocky relationship with his father, even if he can appreciate it on an intellectual level and laud a fellow mage for his cleverness.

[Melbella]

I'm a bit puzzled by a short exchange between Cassandra and Dorian that I've never got before.   We're in the Hissing Wastes and Cass asks Dorian if she can smell perfume.   Then he says he can smell perfume.   End of conversation.     Okay, may be I'm a bit dense, but is the implication that Dorian is wearing some sort of perfume?   Nothing wrong with that but, as I say, I've never got this conversation before, so far as I can remember.

I don't think I've heard that before. Was the "Chantry sister" perhaps in the area? That's the only thing I can think of that might trigger it. There's not much else out there.

[Gervaise]

The perfume conversation was so out of the blue and brief that I almost missed it.   I seem to recall it was one of those annoying instances of them starting to talk just as an enemy sights us so it was overlaid with explosions and of course that may have cut it short; there could be more.    Since no one else has heard it, could it be something that wasn't triggering before but they fixed with Trespasser?    The trouble is I dare say I could reload to the beginning of Hissing Wastes and go round and round again but still not repeat it.  

 

I was rooting around on You Tube and came across the DanaDuchy video of an "uncensored" Dorian romance.   Curious, I played it.    Looked pretty much the same as what I've experience in game until the very end, after Dorian asks you to inquisite him some more, when it shows the two of them in a naked embrace on the bed.    Now I know I've never got that.   So what is meant by uncensored?   Is it a mod added on?    Is it a game file that exists but was "censored" from the final version?   Do you only get this scene if you are human?   

[Reznore57]

I just think it's a video using flycam where you can change the angle of the camera , and it's not actually in game.

[Hazegurl]

I finished making some Tattoos for Dorian.  I wanted to Tattoo his bare arm but sadly I think BW gave all the human males the same body so to keep the tats uniquely Dorian I placed them on his neck and the side of his face.  The facial one I tried to keep out of the way as much as possible. And then there is another one wrapped around his neck a bit.  I made a romance tattoo from a part of his tarot card and placed it on his neck,  while the other two stick to his snake theme.  It should be on Nexus sometime tomorrow.

 

The second pic is the long snake tat with the romance tat together.

 

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[nightscrawl]

The perfume conversation was so out of the blue and brief that I almost missed it.   I seem to recall it was one of those annoying instances of them starting to talk just as an enemy sights us so it was overlaid with explosions and of course that may have cut it short; there could be more.    Since no one else has heard it, could it be something that wasn't triggering before but they fixed with Trespasser?    The trouble is I dare say I could reload to the beginning of Hissing Wastes and go round and round again but still not repeat it.  

 

I was rooting around on You Tube and came across the DanaDuchy video of an "uncensored" Dorian romance.   Curious, I played it.    Looked pretty much the same as what I've experience in game until the very end, after Dorian asks you to inquisite him some more, when it shows the two of them in a naked embrace on the bed.    Now I know I've never got that.   So what is meant by uncensored?   Is it a mod added on?    Is it a game file that exists but was "censored" from the final version?   Do you only get this scene if you are human?   

 

I just think it's a video using flycam where you can change the angle of the camera , and it's not actually in game.

 

Yepper, Rez is correct. Danaduchy does/did a lot of flycam stuff and that is one of those. I'm quite surprised you hadn't seen that before, Gervaise. You should check out Danaduchy's Dorian tag on tumblr, so many great shots of him. The cine designers fully animated the scene, so when the camera is moved the player can then see everything. Danaduchy placed the camera so well that you can't tell how badly their bodies are clipping -- Trevelyan is half sunken into the bed.

 

They also put a gif of it on their tumblr...

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The different angles of the kisses are mesmerizing; I could watch those on repeat all day long... damn internet. The flycam of the kiss-on-demand is quite amusing as they're actually standing IN the bed. I don't really know why they placed them there instead of just one foot over where the lighting would be the same, but there you have it.

[nightscrawl]

I finished making some Tattoos for Dorian.  I wanted to Tattoo his bare arm but sadly I think BW gave all the human males the same body so to keep the tats uniquely Dorian I placed them on his neck and the side of his face.  The facial one I tried to keep out of the way as much as possible. And then there is another one wrapped around his neck a bit.  I made a romance tattoo from a part of his tarot card and placed it on his neck,  while the other two stick to his snake theme.  It should be on Nexus sometime tomorrow.

Yes, most of the nude NPCs share the same model with only skin tint for variation. The notable exception would be Iron Bull, who, like Isabela before him, as an unique body. So Dorian, Cullen, and the male Trevelyan all have the same body in all of the cutscenes. This is why I don't believe that players should take them at face value for what their bodies actually look like.

Sigh... I REALLY wish that Bioware would work on their body tech so that we can have unique bodies. But I'm sure it would be a trade off with something else, so... who knows really.

At any rate, might I suggest the tattoo from the Dorian concept art?

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I don't think that Trevelyan's bare arms are visible in the standard cinematic, so it would be pretty awesome for screenshot-taking purposes to have the concept tattoo on Dorian in that scene. I'm not sure, but it might also appear when he's wearing his armor and has the bare arm upgrades, so that would be great as well.

You would first have to try and copy it over and make a custom shape so it can be resized and look actually decent.

Do you have The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition, and are you able to scan it? If not I'll can see what I can do, along with making a PS shape for you. But no promises on quality.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I wish they put the Tevinter style hooded armor in because it's AWESOME! (Or is it in and I just don't have it?)

[nightscrawl]

^ It's basically what the Venatori spellbinders are wearing. You can get some nice views of their armor in the Still Ruins while the time is still frozen. The next time I play I'm planning to take a bunch of flycam screenshots of the place before finishing the quest.

[SentinelMacDeath]

^ It's basically what the Venatori spellbinders are wearing. You can get some nice views of their armor in the Still Ruins while the time is still frozen. The next time I play I'm planning to take a bunch of flycam screenshots of the place before finishing the quest.

but I want it for Dorian (or my own mage muahaha) it just looks so good. Even Alexius gets to wear a hood!