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[nightscrawl]

This is one of my fav screenshots, and it took a lot of spamming Print Screen to get this exact angle before he continues speaking. I like it because he looks serious, and it's a serious conversation, be he doesn't have his "GRR" face that he has sometimes.
 
From the first Skyhold conversation...

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Bonus scary Dorian... This is just after he struts away and then turns around to congratulate you on becoming Inquisitor.

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[pseudobunny]

Everyone go read this wonderful post about Tevene. It's really damn awesome.

 

This is... strangely soul-crushing. I was really hoping for a proper language, or at least confirmation that Tevene can be spoken fluently and as a native language, but it seems my dreams are meant to be crushed.

I still have AU damn you, you won't take this away from me

[Gervaise]

Let's face it, they're covering their a****s.   They've had enough of a problem with Dalish speaking elvish but they can explain that with the fact that they are recovering their language bit by bit, so largely still stick to common speech for general conversation.     

 

Naturally people are interested in Tevene but they can't have the Tevinter speaking it generally or they will have to come up with a whole language.    However, it does seem largely based on Latin, possibly with a bit of middle eastern flavour thrown in.    Suggest doing the same as me and look out a pocket Latin dictionary (I have to admit I was taught it at school and still have one).    For example, lucerni would appear to mean "shining light" based on lucerna, lucernae in Latin for lamp and luceo meaning shine.  

 

I do love it when Dorian does come out with his smatterings of the ancient Tevene; particularly him swearing in it; I prefer it to the cod French accents of the Orlesian aristocracy.  Common people, of course, swear in English, and speak with English regional accents, which I find hilarious.     Back in the medieval period in England, everyone would have spoken in the regional accent of the area they came from, whether noble or commoner.    

[pseudobunny]

Yeah, I really should get a Latin dictionary if only for all those declensions and maybe it would help to understand what Tevene we've been given better.

It kind of does seem to me like a "let's get around inventing an entire language" which I suppose is kind of understandable because, you know, entire language.

 

I do love it when Dorian does come out with his smatterings of the ancient Tevene; particularly him swearing in it; I prefer it to the cod French accents of the Orlesian aristocracy.  Common people, of course, swear in English, and speak with English regional accents, which I find hilarious.     Back in the medieval period in England, everyone would have spoken in the regional accent of the area they came from, whether noble or commoner.    

 

Off topic but I came to DA from Skyrim where the accents are... dubious at best and I was so surprised to hear a Welsh accent in a video game.

The pronunciation of amatus though... I'd heard on the forums that it differed but I wasn't expecting it to be that much. Like woah, this is your language here. You'll have to forgive me for finding it a little bit jarring.

[Dr. Doctor]

Ha. I have a shot of that scene, but I think my Inquisitor is boring him a little. 
 

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He looks like he's doing this:

http://gifsfortheusi...ost/31000519128

[GoldenGail3]

*Cass got in the way of my future Dorian romace* Shouts fustrated by the fact. I mean, this is my second guy character... Sometimes i wish that Cass didn't exist (so that ever awkward word that comes out of her mouth doesn't tempt my guys). UGGHHHHHH!! Maybe I'll do you with a Male Rogue Lavellen. I'm just writing it down so I don't forgot. Me and the Cass romance, I really like her romace. But I do know I'll love the Dorian one. (I'm just writing it down so I don't forget, I do that. It's like talking to myself online. Pfft. Not crazy or anything.)


Well anyhow, Dorian is my BFF in every playthough, beside for my I-hate-the chantry and everything related to it, Templar Allied, Male Mage Lavellen.

[nightscrawl]

I do love it when Dorian does come out with his smatterings of the ancient Tevene; particularly him swearing in it; I prefer it to the cod French accents of the Orlesian aristocracy.  Common people, of course, swear in English, and speak with English regional accents, which I find hilarious.     Back in the medieval period in England, everyone would have spoken in the regional accent of the area they came from, whether noble or commoner.

Well this also has to do with the availability of the VAs that they want to use. There are also some VAs that are used for multiple minor NPCs, like Jowan's actor in DAO did numerous NPCs sprinkled throughout the game, which can contribute to some of the sameness that we hear.

 

It seems that they had more variety with the English accents in DAO, which was understandable because the game took place in Ferelden. But again, even there you had some actors doing numerous roles. Greg Ellis has three or so accents that are heard throughout DAO as various NPCs. His voice for Cullen in DA2/DAI is closer to the way he speaks naturally, where as his DAA Anders voice is somewhat exaggerated.

[nightscrawl]

Final interview with DG posted, but I want to single out the Dorian bits for the thread...

 

Dorian was another challenge that I really enjoyed. He's another example of a character that instantly had a voice for me. It was very easy as I was writing him. He could just chat away in my head and rebel every time I tried to get him to say something he just would not say. I think for any writer, that's a sign that you have successfully created a character. You've got this split personality going where they're sitting inside your head and you can just step into their shoes and immediately have a sense of how they feel about everything. Every writer understands what I mean when I say that.

Looking at Dorian in particular, his instances and the missions personal to him were very raw and I think those instances, at least for me, were some that hit the highest points. Influence wise, was that a difficult process to dig and find that story or was it something that flowed out easily?
 
Dorian's story isn't my story. I'm gay, but Dorian's experiences are not my experiences. However, for him particularly, there was some consideration of we have a gay character. Does he need to have a story that's about him being gay? No. However, there's no need also to avoid it. Like, Sera is also gay but her story doesn't have anything at all to do with her being gay. Do we have gay characters and avoid telling any story with them that involves being gay? Even though that's something that we can tell, that's maybe something we never had the opportunity to tell before?
 
So, it was an option. Here's a possibility. For Dorian, it was a matter of, I didn't have to dig too far. If I had a gay character and I'm going to tell a gay story – that sounds like an odd adjective. If I'm going to tell something that's relevant to my experience, then it's not exactly my experience but it's something I empathize with. And is everybody going to get it? No. But that's true of anything I've written into a game, so if I can tell something that's true and honest... It didn't need to be that way. Anybody could have written Dorian. But I think that I got that chance, then it's something special.
 
I think there are a lot of people out there that responded to Dorian's personal story in a very visceral fashion. Some of them were very effected by it. It felt very personal to me as something that I got the opportunity to do. It was one of those perfect storms of opportunity and implementation. I think I might have done it a little bit differently if I was going to go back, but it was one of those times where I had the opportunity to do something that felt like it was something of my piece of experience on the page as opposed to some character I had created from whole cloth.

 
I've always felt that Dorian's (character) voice was so very David, not because of his sexuality, but rather because of something that he touched on with Morrigan that he ignores with his response on Dorian...

I will always love Morrigan. Anybody who knows me knows I don't have to dig down too far to reach a very cynical sarcastic place. That's sort of the realm in which Morrigan lives inside of me. That part that stands off to the side and makes biting sarcastic commentary about everything that you're doing. But I didn't want to make her mean, so what lies beneath that shell? Some people say, that's the ice queen trope. Anybody could do that. Well, fair enough. Anybody can try. I think I did it and I did a pretty good job. So, at the end of the day, I was happy with where she ended up.

Anyone who has been around on the forums long enough has seen that part of David Gaider, and knows he can be really biting and quick if the mood strikes him, or if he loses his patience. I've also seen him apologize for it, just like Dorian. But as we can see with Dorian, a lot of that is put on; a result of his life experiences, not just as a gay man in Tevinter, but as a part of Tevinter society -- regardless of sexuality -- where that is expected, much like Vivienne. This is one reason I find it so upsetting when people focus solely on his sexuality, because it's just a tiny part, and it doesn't completely color his personality, his behavior, nor all of his pain.


As an addendum, when speaking of the other writers, he said, 

My memory is terrible. I always let the details slip and generally the editors have to remind me. You know that thing you put in here, that was cut two games ago. I'm like, gez, I didn't remember we did that.
 
That's my problem. I've been around so long. I've been there from the beginning where all the names of everything were different and things have been removed from the world. And then two years later, I'm like, wait, I seem to remember this thing. Was that a thing? And they're like, no, you cut that. Remembering too much is almost an issue. Somebody talks to me about Empress Celene, and I'm like, well, that time she was in Denerim during the fifth Blight. And they're like, no, that's not a real thing anymore.

 
Which I think is noteworthy considering some of the issues that some of us have had with World of Thedas and some inconsistencies that don't jive with what were presented in the game. This is in combination with the fact that they can't get to all of the nitty-gritty details like are presented in the lore books.

[Morry]

Wow for some reason I kept this page open all day with the intention to write a post and.....I didn't. 

 

Anyways....I spent like all yesterday playing DAI in the French dub. mainly because I was cursious and tired of the same male inquisitor voice (i have trouble making any that fit the deep british american male voice so i always end up with the higher pitched american voice) and I was like "well, why not? different language, different voice." I was also curious about the other character's voices. I'm on my 6th or so play through so the same voices can get bland. 

So yeah I loud up one of my saves of my first inquisitor, I kept a save file right before the quarters scene with Dorian. So I ran around a bit talking to others and went to the Black Emporium to hear the voice options better (surprisingly the french voice sounds much more like what I headcanon my quizy to sound like). Most of them werent awful, but I guess hard to get used to. then i went and talked to Dorian, before the quarter scene, to hear him. And.....idk. Not awful, but not the same. I don't think his personality is as clear through his voice in the french version? Anyways I moved onto the quarters scene (I never get tired of replaying that) and by the time I did get to that scene, the voice grew on me more I think. While I love his english voice more than the french one, it is an interesting change and does sound nice in way different to his english voice....

 

on a different note, Bull sounds very weird in french. like, its a good voice, but its hard to see him speaking with it.....

 

edit: bc i messed up

[nightscrawl]

... (i have trouble making any that fit the deep british male voice so i always end up with the higher pitched american voice)...

Wait... you think the British voice is deeper than the American one? I think the exact opposite.

 

I adore the Brit VA, and can clearly hear him in my head even when I write fanfic. I got an even greater appreciation for him once I started playing the game with headphones on, after which I liked him even more. I really like how he can go from smooth to gravel depending on the line. So hot.

 

I'd think it would be very weird listening to some of the characters in another voice, sort of like, "That's not so-and-so. It doesn't even sound like them!" This even applies to some of the PC gender swap voices. The first few times I played DA2 was as a fem Hawke, but then I finally got around to making a guy. Since I typically do choose the same options most of the time, it was very strange hearing all of the same lines in another voice, and sometimes with different inflections or emphasis on words.

 

I used to watch a lot of anime, particularly in the Japanese (with subtitles), and listening to some of the English dub voices afterward was very strange. I would say that the only anime I've ever watched where the Japanese and English voices were on par with each other was Cowboy Bebop, and I can watch either version easily and get equal enjoyment.

 

I once listened to the Japanese version of Fenris, and he was sexy as hell, but still weird not hearing Gideon Emery.

[Morry]

Wait... you think the British voice is deeper than the American one? I think the exact opposite.

 

I adore the Brit VA, and can clearly hear him in my head even when I write fanfic. I got an even greater appreciation for him once I started playing the game with headphones on, after which I liked him even more. I really like how he can go from smooth to gravel depending on the line. So hot.

 

I'd think it would be very weird listening to some of the characters in another voice, sort of like, "That's not so-and-so. It doesn't even sound like them!" [...]

 

I used to watch a lot of anime, particularly in the Japanese (with subtitles), and listening to some of the English dub voices afterward was very strange. I would say that the only anime I've ever watched where the Japanese and English voices were on par with each other was Cowboy Bebop, and I can watch either version easily and get equal enjoyment.

 

I once listened to the Japanese version of Fenris, and he was sexy as hell, but still weird not hearing Gideon Emery.

 

Its not exactly/only the pitch, maybe more so the tone? And you know, it could just be the "test" samples i get in the CC that make me not chose the british one, because theres some tones (like yelling or sometimes anger) that i think sound bad in the American voice, but maybe sound better in the british voice. 

or you know, maybe I'm mixing up the voices. I'm checking right now. 

 

Oh yep, i mixed up the voices. Idk why but from memory I didnt recall the British one sounding as britsh, so I accidentally recalled it as American from memory.

But yeah no, the american one, the deep one, I have trouble making characters with.. hard getting designs that fit such a deep voice.

 

But yeah I agree it is kinda like that when I change the voice language. Its hard to really see that voice as them, because of the difference. I think the ones most different too me were Cole, Dorian and Varric, Bull too I guess. I plan to do a play through from the beginning in french so I can hear everything. 

 

And lol yeah I feel you on the anime part, its pretty similar with this. the only anime I can enjoy in english dub because I watched it dubbed first is probably kuroshitsuji, but aside from that I stick with sub. Like, I can enjoy these voices kind of in DAI? but? I'm not used to it and I will forever like the english voices more.

[nightscrawl]

Since the Dorian thread needs a bit of a bump, I thought I'd promote this really sexy Dorian mod: Dorian in the Rough, which basically makes him scruffy. The person also said that they added dimples, but I can't tell...

 

At any rate... SEXY PIC! Oh, Maker...

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This is my favorite type of look for a guy in real life, making him look even more swarthy than he already was. *Swoon.* I'm not going use this -- I don't usually use character mods that alter appearance in this way -- but it is really damn nice.

[Gervaise]

Wow, he really does look sexy with his stubble, even though Dorian would probably be horrified to have neglected to shave.     Somehow it isn't Dorian, if that makes sense.   It is someone who looks like Dorian.    I don't use character mods either; Dorian's unique look is part of his charm.

[Melbella]

Wow, he really does look sexy with his stubble, even though Dorian would probably be horrified to have neglected to shave.     Somehow it isn't Dorian, if that makes sense.   It is someone who looks like Dorian.    I don't use character mods either; Dorian's unique look is part of his charm.

I get exactly what you mean -- it's just not him. That's why I don't use character mods either.

[Hazegurl]

Since the Dorian thread needs a bit of a bump, I thought I'd promote this really sexy Dorian mod: Dorian in the Rough, which basically makes him scruffy. The person also said that they added dimples, but I can't tell...

 

At any rate... SEXY PIC! Oh, Maker...

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This is my favorite type of look for a guy in real life, making him look even more swarthy than he already was. *Swoon.* I'm not going use this -- I don't usually use character mods that alter appearance in this way -- but it is really damn nice.

Sweet Maker. Whelp, if I ever do another DAI run, I know another mod I'll be using.

[Morry]

I agree that I dont think i could bring myself to use mods that change appearance, mostly Dorian. Plus I play on the ps4 so i have gotten very used to seeing how he looks.....But it looks pretty good regardless!

[Ava Grey]

Since the Dorian thread needs a bit of a bump, I thought I'd promote this really sexy Dorian mod: Dorian in the Rough, which basically makes him scruffy. The person also said that they added dimples, but I can't tell...

 

At any rate... SEXY PIC! Oh, Maker...

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This is my favorite type of look for a guy in real life, making him look even more swarthy than he already was. *Swoon.* I'm not going use this -- I don't usually use character mods that alter appearance in this way -- but it is really damn nice.

 

Mmm, that's nice, I haven't seen that one before. Much, much better than removing the 'tache completely.

 

While I have a few companion altering mods, ( nothing outrageous, one reduces the brightness of Leli's makeup and gives her some light freckles, one that tones Josies makeup down and a higher res skin for Cullen that removes the pastiness he has and tans it more in line with DA2 ) and while i'm not the biggest fan of it, removing Dorians 'tache would be like removing Josies moles, or Bulls horns...Cullens glare lol

Really, really nice, like you I like my men with some scruff but don't think I can do it...but then...sexy scruff. Ugh, i'm conflicted. 

[Arlee]

Since the Dorian thread needs a bit of a bump, I thought I'd promote this really sexy Dorian mod: Dorian in the Rough, which basically makes him scruffy. The person also said that they added dimples, but I can't tell...

 

At any rate... SEXY PIC! Oh, Maker...

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This is my favorite type of look for a guy in real life, making him look even more swarthy than he already was. *Swoon.* I'm not going use this -- I don't usually use character mods that alter appearance in this way -- but it is really damn nice.

 

Ermg! /faints

 

Wow, he really does look sexy with his stubble, even though Dorian would probably be horrified to have neglected to shave.     Somehow it isn't Dorian, if that makes sense.   It is someone who looks like Dorian.    I don't use character mods either; Dorian's unique look is part of his charm.

 

I normally feel the same but in this case I actually really like it and it doesn't look weird to me. Somehow it just works for me

[Gervaise]

Here's a question.   Do you feel that Dorian has made you feel differently about Tevinter from how you did before?    I must admit that his description of the typical Tevinter personality is to care deeply about everything, with no reserves, not in war and not in love, gave me pause for thought, particularly as Dorian seemed to be the living embodiment of it.   Did he see it that way because he (and the people he is most closely associated with) are like that or is that truly the Tevinter temperament?   

 

The previous Tevinter we had come into contact with seemed far less passionate and far more coldly calculating.   Fenris' previous master made my skin crawl.  Erimond seemed to only care about himself, although I suppose you could say he was wholly committed to his cause since he remained defiant throughout his trial.     I suppose I also assumed that since having volatile emotions is a rather dangerous thing for a mage, that Tevinter would have encouraged the promotion of the calm, dispassionate individual, but then again Dorian has disproved that southern prejudice as well since he mucks around with spirits on a daily basis without ever seeming in danger of possession.

 

Yet if they truly have been breeding for generations for the perfect body, perfect mind, then if what Dorian says is true, they value the passionate individual and actively breed for that trait.  Any thoughts on the matter?  

[nightscrawl]

^ Hm... so many points to address in your post.
 
I think there are multiple levels. Let's take our own cultures. To this day Latin-types are regarded as a more passionate group of people, but that certainly does not mean that there aren't those among them who aren't cold, calculating, cruel, power-hungry, and so forth, just as there are those types among all groups of people.
 
You mention Dorian's own personality. And while that is true that he does represent that, we can also see that he clearly has difficulty expressing his emotions; not because he doesn't have them, but because, in Tevinter, it's not acceptable to do so. Dorian's parents don't really come across as the affectionate type. Whether that is because they just aren't as individuals, or because they allowed social mores to bleed over into their personal lives (thus influencing their relationship with their son), we can't know. But it's learned behavior as much as anything. And of course the other aspect of that is that it is a weakness that can be exploited: show what (and whom) you care about openly, and that can be used against you.
 
In Tevinter you have a particular set of social mores that further influence behavior. Among the altus, appearance is highly regarded: physical appearance, as well as the appearance of control over one's own self. As you rightly pointed out, this also extends to the use of magic and in demonstrating one's power as a mage. I think this is part of the conflict that Dorian has with his father over his sexuality. Halward perceives his behavior as Dorian being hedonistic and not having control over himself, allowing the pursuit of idle pleasure to rule his life, hence the remark, "I only wanted what was best for you." Dorian's response, "You wanted what was best for you, for your f**king legacy. Anything for that," certainly seems to indicate that he's always thought that about his father, regardless of how good or bad their relationship was at any given time.
 
So, I think that Dorian's assertion of the general personality of the Tevinter people could certainly be accurate, or he could also be projecting too much of himself onto his people because he wants to believe that is true. After all, a passionate people who truly do "care about everything" wouldn't just allow their country to fall apart, would they? Dorian may be cynical because of his life experiences, but he's not above being hopeful, and maybe a bit naive, just as anyone else.


[edit] I just realized that I forgot to answer your question...

Do you feel that Dorian has made you feel differently about Tevinter from how you did before?

Yes, and no. I think his remarks give Tevinter more depth, but that should have been expected of any companion coming from a culture the player has little experience with. But I also think that Dorian was being open about himself because he wants to make friends and dispel the common image that Southerners have about Tevinter. In general, I think those specific remarks say more about Dorian than anything else.

[Emmy]

Are all the Dorian fans playing Fallout4?

[nightscrawl]

Not me. The thread has a lot of luls because there really isn't anything new or revelatory to discuss about the character, aside from an occasional hypothetical question, or a new D-mance player who happens to pop in.

[Hazegurl]

Are all the Dorian fans playing Fallout4?

I am. Trying to romance Paladin Danse at the moment. He's no Dorian but I'm kinda digging the hard military type.

[Melbella]

Yeah, currently playing a female Inqui in order to *not* romance Dorian. I have a male qunari slated for Josie but we'll see how long that lasts.  At some point I will replay Marcus and romance Dorian with him again.

[nightscrawl]

I am. Trying to romance Paladin Danse at the moment. He's no Dorian but I'm kinda digging the hard military type.

 

Ah I heard about that fella over in the KISA thread. Small digression from Dorian, but I don't plan on playing Fallout 4 and had a question about the romances. I know that they have you create your character, and your wife, at the beginning. So... your character can't be 100% gay then? It's bi or nothing? I mean, I suppose you could RP being in the closet during the marriage, or something along those lines, but I was curious if there are options that mention this in the game that allow for RPing one way or the other.

 

And... like an actual paladin, with holy magic and resolve and stuff? I didn't think that kinda stuff was in Fallout o_O.