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Just a friendly reminder... the new Dragon Age comic, Magekiller, will be out December 16 -- new preview here.
 
From the original Polygon piece...

Magekiller will also see the rise of the Venatori, the Tevinter cult that worships and works for Dragon Age: Inquisition's villain Corypheus, with the end of issue #2 corresponding to the destruction of the Conclave, the inciting event of the game. The first arc of the series will encompass the full plot of Inquisition, however, and after that it'll be striking out into new territory for the franchise.
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There are plans for appearances from major game characters, Rucka says, but ultimately he wants to focus on expanding the world of Dragon Age. Just as vitally, he wants to make sure that Magekiller feels like it could fit within anyone's playthrough, despite the variety of decisions that make up a given player's version of events.

 
I'm really looking forward to some of the Venatori background information, as well as learning how the events of the Conclave and the start of the Inquisition were perceived elsewhere, and in Tevinter particularly. I'm wondering whether we will get to see Dorian, Alexius, or Calpernia, with Calpernia being the more likely subject, I think. I'm also curious to know how long it will extend past the time-frame of the main game.
 
I'm quite excited.

Btw, I will say that if you aren't into comics in general but want to read this, the Dark Horse digital editions are a great way to read the comics. I bought all of the previous editions, and it was a simple and easy process, both to purchase and read online.
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Ah I heard about that fella over in the KISA thread. Small digression from Dorian, but I don't plan on playing Fallout 4 and had a question about the romances. I know that they have you create your character, and your wife, at the beginning. So... your character can't be 100% gay then? It's bi or nothing? I mean, I suppose you could RP being in the closet during the marriage, or something along those lines, but I was curious if there are options that mention this in the game that allow for RPing one way or the other.

 

And... like an actual paladin, with holy magic and resolve and stuff? I didn't think that kinda stuff was in Fallout o_O.

I head canon my PC as being in the closet at the start of the game, which takes place pre-war.  It's not so hard to imagine since the game has a 1950's theme.

 

As for sexuality during the rest of the game, which takes place post-war,

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.  I do like hearing Danse's back story about not wanting to be close to someone due to losing a man named Cutler in the past. Since both men and women can romance him, they...so far, have not said whether Cutler was a lover or just a friend but I think it could be headcanoned either way depending. I've only flirted with him so far so I don't know if they address sexuality in anyway, I do think there are at least two sex scenes though so that might come up later.  But I don't think the game forces you to RP sexuality in any way. Post war, the world is garbage and life is short so I don't think it matters who you hook up with or what reasons you have for doing it.

 

Paladin is a military rank within the Brotherhood of Steel


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I hope they do make Minathous look sufficiently exotic and different to elsewhere.   As it is based on the Roman Empire, I'm hoping for Romanesque villas with beautiful mosaics on the floors and frescos on the walls.     It will be interesting to see how the Venatori did first come about but I hope it doesn't throw up too many anomalies with what we have been told in game.   May be I'll wait and see what people here think before getting it.    I've only read the actual novels connected with the games up to now.

 

Getting back to my earlier post on the previous page about the temperament of the Tevinter Altus, the reason I started to wonder about it was that so far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong) in all the history of civilisation in our world I do not believe that they have ever carried out a breeding program for particular traits or abilities among humans.    Nobles often only married within their own class but so long as you belonged to it then you could be as thick as two short planks or brilliantly gifted, it made no difference.    Admittedly the gifted were more likely to rise to the top of the pile but that wasn't guaranteed.     The only thing that would preclude you being able to breed would be a deformity or insanity and even that wasn't always the case.     The more inbred the nobility, the greater the likelihood of such an eventuality or some other inherited condition but I can't recall an instance of the reverse being the case and keeping to a narrow gene pool resulting in an amazingly gifted individual or that their community recognised and bred for that fact.  

 

By contrast, in the world of domestic animals, where they did breed for specific traits or abilities, as Dorian claims they do in Tevinter, then the desired characteristics did become dominant.    Take the Thoroughbred racehorse.    By focussing the horse's natural flight response and means of escape from predators, it was possible to produce an animal that was pre-eminent for speed but with an accompanying temperament that tends towards being easily excited and nervous.     Some are much calmer than others, just as they have varying degrees of ability, but all members of the breed are superior in speed to other horses (apart from pure sprinters such as the Quarter horse).   

 

So in Tevinter they have specifically arranged marriages down the years not just to any Altus but to the best match to achieve the desired trait of great magical ability.   Not all these matches are successful in achieving this.   Felix had barely any magical ability even though both his parents were gifted but he was in fact a mage.   However, I assume that on the whole the breeding program has largely been successful or they would not still be maintaining it as they do.   Which is why I wondered if the desired trait of magical ability carried with it a particular temperament, particularly in those who had the greatest ability and therefore whose families would be most sought after for potential suitors.    Dorian might not have been quite the son that Halward wished for but he is incredibly gifted as a mage and recognised as such by other than his family, so from that point of view, his parent's match was a success.    I think the consensus of opinion is that he has a near perfect body too.     I just wondered if his passionate nature was something that went with his superior magical ability and actually had a bearing on it.  


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It will be interesting to see how the Venatori did first come about but I hope it doesn't throw up too many anomalies with what we have been told in game.   May be I'll wait and see what people here think before getting it.    I've only read the actual novels connected with the games up to now.


I'm pretty sure that it will be considered canon insofar as general facts and such, particularly given Greg Rucka's remarks about wanting to be as generic as possible to account for players' world states. I think whatever is written about the events leading up to the Conclave will absolutely be considered canon. Hell, even the damn anime movie is considered canon for Cassandra.

Even though the actual events of the previous comics can't really be considered to have happened in all world states -- Alistair may be dead for many people -- I'd think that the general facts revealed in them; stuff about Maevaris and so forth, DO count as canon. So I wouldn't dismiss the comics entirely and they are worth reading if you're interested in Thedas's lore.
 

Getting back to my earlier post on the previous page about the temperament of the Tevinter Altus, the reason I started to wonder about it was that so far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong) in all the history of civilisation in our world I do not believe that they have ever carried out a breeding program for particular traits or abilities among humans.


Well, like you, I don't know about a specific "breeding program" designed to produce the "perfect leader," but we do have things like ethnic cleansing and forced sterilization that can be considered to play into those types of thought. Now, the thing with nobles inter-marrying in our world is all about inheritance (I believe), not genetic traits, so it's not really the same as far as that goes. And of course you do end up with health problems after so much inbreeding.
 

By contrast, in the world of domestic animals, where they did breed for specific traits or abilities, as Dorian claims they do in Tevinter, then the desired characteristics did become dominant.    Take the Thoroughbred racehorse.    By focussing the horse's natural flight response and means of escape from predators, it was possible to produce an animal that was pre-eminent for speed but with an accompanying temperament that tends towards being easily excited and nervous.     Some are much calmer than others, just as they have varying degrees of ability, but all members of the breed are superior in speed to other horses (apart from pure sprinters such as the Quarter horse).


While this is true, there are also major health concerns with all types of purebred domesticated animals, particularly dogs, that can have a range of issues from respiratory problems to hip dysplasia. This applies to crops as well, as some have been bred for specific purposes (animal feed, disease resistance, ease of harvest, preference for human consumption [seedless varieties]) that results in the crop being unable to propagate on its own, like the banana.
 

Not all these matches are successful in achieving this.   Felix had barely any magical ability even though both his parents were gifted but he was in fact a mage.


As I recall, Felix's parents weren't matched, they fell in love and married for love. So even though they were both gifted mages in their own right, they didn't follow the same social conventions. For all we know, either or both of their lines could have had weak magical blood to begin with, and they combined to produce Felix -- a weak mage.
 

However, I assume that on the whole the breeding program has largely been successful or they would not still be maintaining it as they do.   Which is why I wondered if the desired trait of magical ability carried with it a particular temperament, particularly in those who had the greatest ability and therefore whose families would be most sought after for potential suitors.


While this might certainly be plausible, I don't think that Dorian would be ideal in that regard then; he is too much of a non-conformist, regardless of his magical talent. I think that is a good quality in a leader, but for a society as structured as Tevinter, I can see how that would be less than ideal.

 

I can imagine that Dorian has never had many close friends, even though he is friendly and gregarious. He doesn't strike me as one to tolerate bullshit, and will tell that to your face. So while he can be a savvy political player when he wants to be, I'd think that attitude would be a turn off for many people.
 

I just wondered if his passionate nature was something that went with his superior magical ability and actually had a bearing on it.


I'm leery of making these kinda of generalizations about anyone, and I honestly don't think that the lore of Tevinter, and this particular character, was developed with this in mind. To be honest, I think we as fans tend to read way too much into some small detail -- I do this too! -- that the writer may not have intended when they originally wrote whatever it was, simply putting something in for flavor or color, and not intending it to be picked over in minute detail, or held up as an example of whatever argument some player is trying to make. (Not saying you are doing this, just a general statement about fans and their habits.)



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Thanks for responding.   The subject was on my mind at the moment; the whole nature versus nurture debate, which is why I got to thinking about it with relation to Dorian.   You're probably right and I shouldn't read too much into whatever has been said in game about the whole Tevinter breeding for mages idea.

 

I've been busy downloading images from my play through with what I now feel is my ideal Lavellan appearance wise.   I was able to have all the various cut scenes with Dorian using the new wardrobe rather than the beige suit and it makes such a difference to how he looks; not nearly so skinny or such awkwardly held arms.   I managed to catch some of the scenes just right to get Dorian's expressions.    (Still haven't got the hang of posting them here sadly).    First thing I do on firing up the computer is load the pictures for a slide show, then sit back and enjoy. 

 

During this run I cheated when I got to the Temple of Mythal (following advice in Wiki) doing both the puzzles, so Abelas wouldn't attack me, and jumping down the hole, so I could recover the "Way of Shadows" armour as it is appropriate for my assassin.   It is actually pretty much like the Dalish scout armour and I notice that with it I actually look more muscular, even showing a bit of bare arm, so sideways on as we walk up the hall, I do appear a scaled down version of Dorian.    Meanwhile Solas was in the background still looking wimpy in his High Keeper robes.   (For some reason this gave me great satisfaction.)

 

Something I found interesting that I hadn't really noticed before on a CofJ run, when I let Calpurnia go, "Solas Disapproves."   I don't know if you only get a reaction from people in your party but he was the only one who did.   Dorian of course seemed very impressed by her impassioned speech about her vision for Tevinter, so much so that I could see him trying to recruit her to his side (assuming she survived her encountered with Corypheus).   Which is why I wondered about Solas' reaction.    I could really see an alliance of Dorian, Maevaris (with their lucerni) and Calpurnia (not with Venatori but her ex-slaves) actually pulling off the reformation that Tevinter needs or at least becoming a powerful force for change and helping keep back the tide of the Qunari.    So could that be why Solas didn't want her freed, because he doesn't want a strong Tevinter?     I couldn't really see otherwise why he would have such a strong objection to letting her go.    She had definitely turned against Corypheus.   Mind you I also heard her say something else interesting; she mentioned how the well contained the knowledge of the beings that the elves once worshipped as gods.   I'd missed this before but it is actually the first time someone suggests that the elven gods weren't actually "gods" but only regarded as such by the elves.   Now Corypheus knew that the vallaslin were slave markings.    He found out about the Well of Sorrows from the orb, so could he have found out the rest from it as well?    In which case, may be Solas was worried how much information Cory had passed on to Calpurnia.

 

I may be over thinking things but I'm convinced now that part of the reason the focus is moving to Tevinter now is because the key to stopping Solas lies there.


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Off topic

 

For those interested about the Fallout romance. I finished the Danse romance. I have to admit that his story was the only companion story that really surprised me and drew me in. It was well acted on everyone's part.  Sadly there were no sex scenes. Someone on Youtube said there were at least two but they were wrong, unless they count going to a bed, clicking on it like you do when you go to bed in game all the time, then wake up with Danse in his freaking armor saying "better than a training exercise" as a sex scene.  I was disappointed, BW and CDPR spoiled me when it comes to romantic build up, sex scenes, and post sex scenes to the point where I was expecting more than just having to completely head canon the entire interaction.



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... unless they count going to a bed, clicking on it like you do when you go to bed in game all the time, then wake up with Danse in his freaking armor saying "better than a training exercise" as a sex scene.


Interesting. It does make me wonder if the hetero versions get the same treatment, but I will assume they do since you didn't even get a DA2-type fade-to-black with clothing. The one love scene I did in NWN2 (by Obsidian) was similar. Also, I suppose it would depend on the numbers and how much work they want to put into those cinematics (as in, "How many resources do we want to devote to this?"). Since the LIs for Fallout 4 are all bi, that is double the cinematics for everyone, but I suppose that is still less work than DAI's multiple race options.

It could also be a purposeful stylistic choice as well. But I do agree with you about being spoiled by Bioware when it comes to relationships in games.


My last digression about this topic... ;)

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Returning to an earlier topic about old Tevene language, which seems to be used solely for insults these days.    I know what Dorian claims "Vishante kaffas" means but I wondered if anyone knows what "Venhedis Kaffan Vas" means?    This is what Calpernia says when she is swearing about Corypheus.

 

Also for those who are interested, if you didn't know already, she leaves with the benediction "Vitae Benefaria" to the Inquisitor, which I assume means something along the lines of either "Good health" or "Good life".    

 

Which is why I'm assuming she has nothing to do with those nasty little runt end Venatori who attack Dorian in the Iron Bull romance epilogue.   Given the number we kill during the game (whichever path you choose), I'm surprised there are any Venatori left to cause trouble.     Mind you there are no similar troubles in either my friendship or my romance epilogues, so I have to assume that my Inquisitors are just that much more thorough. 



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Which is why I'm assuming she has nothing to do with those nasty little runt end Venatori who attack Dorian in the Iron Bull romance epilogue.   Given the number we kill during the game (whichever path you choose), I'm surprised there are any Venatori left to cause trouble.     Mind you there are no similar troubles in either my friendship or my romance epilogues, so I have to assume that my Inquisitors are just that much more thorough.


Eh, I'll assume they're still there, plotting and doing whatever nonsense. I don't think the mere existence of the Dorian/Bull epilogue says anything specific about the Venatori in that regard. Honestly, I think the devs just used the Venatori for convenience as a plausible situation from which Dorian might need saving. You might also assume that a Dorian who is with the Inquisitor still got taken but was able to extricate himself from the situation and didn't need anyone's help, or that the line in the Dorian/Inquisitor epilogue referencing the Inquisitor's trips into the "heart of Tevinter" also means something similar. I think they just wanted them to be different.

 

As far as their continued existence in general, I think it's likely. Don't forget that the Venatori are borne from a certain mindset of how things were, the current state of things, and how they can potentially be. Think of that one banter Dorian has with Cassandra: "Darling Cassandra, Corypheus is from a Tevinter that's been dead and gone a thousand years. Whatever nostalgic vision he's selling, it has little to do with my Tevinter... or his followers frankly." So I think there will always be Venatori of some type around, like like there will always be similar radical groups in the real world. What matters is in how organized they are, and whether there are numbers significant enough for them to be considered anything more than a fringe group that people dismiss or think a joke.

 

Of course, some of these views might change when we read the upcoming comic and learn how the Venatori rose in the first place. Hm... perhaps I should finally do a templar run so I can see the Calpernia stuff before I read the comics. So hard ignoring my own head-canon for the Dorian romance though...

 

 

Also -- this is just a mere suggestion, I certainly don't mind these posts in the Dorian thread -- but things related to Tevinter in a general sense might get more response if you posted them in the Tevinter fan thread, which you should peek at if you're interested. There will be a wider perspective there since this thread is a bit more limited by its focus.

 

Although I don't mind Dorian's thread getting bumped with these posts either, lol! :D



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I found this on my facebook, posted by Bioware

 

Looks like Even Bioware gave Dorian a shave for Movember  "No shave November".

 

My Motivation

 
"Hmm, I’d almost forgotten what the midpoint felt like. It’s as if my face is made of sandpaper, an affectation of casual ruggedness composed of scruff and inattention to proper hygiene. Someone will assume I’m attempting to look like Commander Cullen, of all things – and where does that lead? Three layers of mismatched armor and a flea-bitten bit of cloak trim worn as a shawl. THIS is the sacrifice I willingly accept for a worthy cause. I beg you all to make it worthwhile." -Dorian Pavus

 

https://ca.movember....ospace/11423325


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XD Yeah there is an updated one now that was posted in the Twitter thread. He's started growing it back, lol... (Thank the Maker.)


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Off topic about fallout 4 and romances :

I "romanced" Preston Garvey ...if you can call that romance.It was mostly for SCIENCE! , he was my first companion maxed approval and he's a decent guy.Anyway I wouldn't call FO4 "romances " romance, basically you say "Hey I like you *wink**wink*" you have to pass a charisma check and they'll go "oh yeah I like you too blablablabla' and that's the romance.It's better than Skyrim but not much better.

 

Anyway I'm not interested in any romances , my favorite companion , Deacon , is not a romance option...and I'm meh about all the rest.

It's fine though me and Deacon are the "Death Bunnies" , best friend forever with sniper riffles and silly costumes.

 

Back on topic , so far I'm not that interested in the "Magekiller " comics , I saw some pics and I know the art direction for Tevinter will mostly be different in DA4 ...I don't feel like we'll truly see Tevinter.

Also new characters I don't care about .It might be good , we shall see.



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... I saw some pics and I know the art direction for Tevinter will mostly be different in DA4 ...I don't feel like we'll truly see Tevinter.


I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Do you mean that we won't see it like we never really saw Val Royeaux, or something else? I'm also not really sure it's quite accurate to say that the art style of a comic will be any sort of true stylistic depiction of Tevinter as a whole, or that it will suggest the art direction of the following game**. Each comic artist is different. We saw some of Qarinus in the previous run of comics, and while it was interesting, I will stick with whatever a game shows us for the "real" version.


** The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition made it clear that they have some really specific ideas for Tevinter architecture, so I don't see why those same principles won't be built (ha-ha) on for DA4.



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I meant the buldings , landscape , clothes will end up being different between comics/DA4.



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Yes, I do realise some of my posts would probably fit better elsewhere and the intention really is just to bump the Dorian thread a bit higher up the board.    It hasn't been so bad this week but on occasions he has dropped to page 2, which won't do at all. :D

 

I do wonder if there will be any mention of Dorian in the up coming comic and if this will solve the mystery of the two year gap in his CV when he was meant to be just dossing around Tevinter.    More likely though it will deal more with the characters on the opposing side.   

 

The Templar run is interesting and I still prefer it of the two, mostly because the Calpernia story is way more interesting than Samson.    I always go to Redcliffe first though.    The way I play it is that I'm not pro-Templar as such but after being told of the situation in Redcliffe, I feel the need of some magic negating back up before dealing with it (since my Lavellan is not a mage himself).  Of course the game mechanics mean that you never go back to resolve matters in Redcliffe but instead they come to find you, but that is my rationale.   I would have preferred they didn't split the plotlines in that way but had integrated them instead, so you get to see both sides of the story but there you go.    I also prefer CoJ because I like seeing the more vulnerable, noble, self-sacrificing side of Dorian when he comes to your aid even though you initially did reject his help.   It also fits with the idea of him selling his amulet just to survive because when he gets to you he literally does only have his casual clothes and a plain staff, rather than the flash gear he has in Hushed Whispers.    Dorian standing up to Cullen is worth seeing too.


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Off topic about fallout 4 and romances :

I "romanced" Preston Garvey ...if you can call that romance.It was mostly for SCIENCE! , he was my first companion maxed approval and he's a decent guy.Anyway I wouldn't call FO4 "romances " romance, basically you say "Hey I like you *wink**wink*" you have to pass a charisma check and they'll go "oh yeah I like you too blablablabla' and that's the romance.It's better than Skyrim but not much better.

 

Anyway I'm not interested in any romances , my favorite companion , Deacon , is not a romance option...and I'm meh about all the rest.

It's fine though me and Deacon are the "Death Bunnies" , best friend forever with sniper riffles and silly costumes.

Yeah, I agree completely.  I'm playing the game again and this time I'm not bothering with any romances or trying to make companions happy.  I'm probably gonna hang with Hancock, Dogmeat, or Cait most of the time and kill everyone I see.  So far Preston keeps sending me to settlements and I just kill the settlers there instead of helping them. Good run so far. lol!

 

The Templar run is interesting and I still prefer it of the two, mostly because the Calpernia story is way more interesting than Samson.    I always go to Redcliffe first though.    The way I play it is that I'm not pro-Templar as such but after being told of the situation in Redcliffe, I feel the need of some magic negating back up before dealing with it (since my Lavellan is not a mage himself).  Of course the game mechanics mean that you never go back to resolve matters in Redcliffe but instead they come to find you, but that is my rationale.   I would have preferred they didn't split the plotlines in that way but had integrated them instead, so you get to see both sides of the story but there you go.    I also prefer CoJ because I like seeing the more vulnerable, noble, self-sacrificing side of Dorian when he comes to your aid even though you initially did reject his help.   It also fits with the idea of him selling his amulet just to survive because when he gets to you he literally does only have his casual clothes and a plain staff, rather than the flash gear he has in Hushed Whispers.    Dorian standing up to Cullen is worth seeing too.

 

I also like the Templar run better.  I still love the "Don't worry I'll protect you" line from the Mage run but overall I think Dorian shines the best in the Templar run and the IQ looks more competent.  And the role reversal between Dorian and Cole fits much better.  It makes more sense to open the doors for Dorian, especially if you've met with him earlier than random Cole who shows up with no prior meeting.  However, I like having the plot split up because it makes it feel like a real choice. I hope the next game further improves on splitting up the story based on choices made.

 

Edit: I also think the argument between Solas and Vivienne over Cole makes more sense with the Templar run. In the Mage one I couldn't figure out how Vivienne would know that Cole was a spirit for there to be an argument about what he is. But in the Templar run, I can see how him appearing out of nowhere would have Cass and Vivi freaked out and question his presence again while we're regrouping.



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Speaking of the templar path... can someone explain why people think the Marius from the comic is "Calpernia's Marius"? As I said, I've never finished a templar run, so I don't know anything about her other than some very basic info. Or was this in WoT Vol. 2?
 
I'm finding it a bit odd since I had the feeling from the comic descriptions that Marius was a new person, particularly the lines from the interview,

Rucka says that Marius' character came out of a suggestion from (former) head Dragon Age writer David Gaider to lead Dragon Age designer Mike Laidlaw: "We want the Tevinter Boba Fett." A former Tevinter slave (and a human), Marius was raised and trained to kill mages without using magic himself. Rucka refrained from revealing how he escaped his masters, but promised that it won't remain a mystery forever. Somewhere south of Tevinter, Marius runs into Tessa Forsythia, the estranged youngest daughter of the powerful Forsythia family in Nevarra.
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"Marius has issues," Rucka says, "he is really, really good at what he does, but that’s all that he was ever trained to do. So he is not a Templar gone wrong. It’s not "all mages must die." This is the skill set he sells. He sells it very, very well. And Tessa [...] facilitates, she assists, and then she sort of maintains Marius. But there’s a lot she doesn’t know about him, just as there’s a lot that he doesn’t know about her. So part of [the first] arc is not only an introduction to them but some self discovery."


And... I know it's the angsty, shippy fangirl part of me saying this, but I was also kinda hoping Marius and Tessa would get together (from those very limited descriptions). People with issues getting together and having a (more-or-less) reparative relationship is a dynamic I'm into. But people acting like Marius and Calpernia have some sort of thing is putting a damper on that :(.

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Marius is not mentioned anywhere in the game.    What people are referring to is the short story about Calpernia that appeared earlier in the year, along with one about Samson.    It's called Paying the Ferryman.    It details her earlier life as a slave in Minrathous.    One of the other slaves is a bodyguard in her master's house, who she has a relationship with in secret, but who then gets sold, without her even getting the chance to say goodbye.  Naturally he would be rather good at killing mages since on the whole that is who he would be protecting his master from.  He is sold because other people recognise his talent is wasted as just a bodyguard.   His name is given as Marius, so I guess that is why people think it must be the same person because otherwise it is rather sloppy writing to use the same name.   



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^ While I agree on the name thing, it's not like there aren't common names, and we don't know how common Marius may be in Tevinter or among slaves. I mean, what if his name were John? But this is really me trying to come up with some reasoning why they might not be the same person.

 

At any rate, thanks for the info.



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It is impossible for Dorian to die, right? If you kick him out, he probably will still have a central role in the next DA game.

 

(not like I would ever allow Dorian to die)



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Dorian will not die.   The worst that can happen to him is that your Inquisitor is a complete a***hole and punches him, so Dorian leaves at once rather than waiting until the end.   I don't know what happens in Trespasser if that is the case.   

 

Mind you, the game does do some odd things sometimes.   I posted a few pages back how my game bugged out at one point and Dorian appeared to have been sucked into oblivion through a Fade rift along with his simulacrum spirit.    That seriously freaked me out when it happened but then Cassandra had also lost her head as well so it was a bit of a nightmare.    I reloaded.      On another occasion I had everyone suddenly disappear from Skyhold along with the décor, furnishings, etc, so it was just me running around an empty shell.    Not good at all.


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nightscrawl

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It is impossible for Dorian to die, right? If you kick him out, he probably will still have a central role in the next DA game.

 

(not like I would ever allow Dorian to die)

 

At this time there are not any plots that can result in his death, regardless of romance status, friendship status, or choices taken.

 

But we really shouldn't expect anything as far as the next game is concerned, since that can only lead to disappointment if it doesn't bear out. Of course the dagger in Tevinter in the Trespasser post-credit scene is a pretty big clue, especially since Dorian is a magister and back in Tevinter no matter what the Inquisitor says or does, but it is really important to remember that plans can and do change and nothing is guaranteed.


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Haven't they said before that the end slides for the games aren't set in stone and they don't feel bound to them when they start working on the next installments? I feel like I remember reading that somewhere but I can't remember where.



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Well the facts of his being a magister and returning to Tevinter are pretty well established in the actual game, in addition to the post-credit dagger-in-Tevinter thing.

 

But as for actual epilogue slides, I'd really need an actual quote or something. But I think they learned their lesson after the DAO slides. Don't forget that DA2 didn't have slides of any sort, and these ones in DAI have very minimal information, really just enough to add some flavor. Even if we take just these about Dorian, they really don't say anything of significance. He's continuing his efforts with Maevaris, keeps in contact with Inquisitor as friend OR boyfriend, and optionally has rendezvous with Iron Bull.

 

Most of those who have more specific slides, like Cullen or Varric, I expect to never hear from again, to be honest. I really think many of the DAI people are done in the series. And heading north into Tevinter seems like the perfect time to let go of pretty much all non-essential people. And as much as I love Dorian, I'm still torn over whether I want him to appear in the next game at all. Like, I do and I don't simultaneously. It's a frustrating state of mind.

 

It really makes me wonder just how much, if any, face-time the Inquisitor will get in the next game. IF both Solas and Dorian are also in the next game there is the potential for additional romance content (albeit probably minimal). But I can just see the various fans of whoever other LI gnashing their teeth that this or that LI didn't get to appear, and that the S and D-mancers got "so much more content."



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I can't believe no one has posted a link to this yet! :blink:

http://www.biowarest...orian-bust.html

 

There is also one for Iron Bull but who cares about that? :lol:

 

(although, considering the bent state of the calendar I just got today, I'd be extra worried for anything that might be breakable)