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[nightscrawl]

It could be a different part of Tevinter. Like Minrathous is the Capitol and the Inquisition has tended to stay more hidden (i.e skyhold, haven) so they might take up a small place in a smaller city, whether you disband or not (although maybe that's where the "possible corruption" comes in). I would be surprised if they had the setting exactly the same as da:i. Besides quizzy stabbed the map lol maybe that's an issue that comes up in the next game? Dorian having mixed feelings with the inquisition snooping around his country lol but I mean the inquisition is like going to focus 90% on solas/the elves, 10% on actual tevinter. Tevinter is the least likely place to find ppl that solas "knows". I personally hope it is in Tevinter so there's more dorian...

As far as I know, Dorian is only standing there with the Inquisitor in the post-credit scene if you are in a romance. Even if he doesn't want the Inquisitor taking over everything, as he says in the post-Mythal dialogue, he is not naive or foolish. Dorian knows full well the political dangers he will face from those who don't want the status quo to change, as well as from fringe groups like the Venatori who want change for the worse. Also, there is now the added increased Qunari threat and the new knowledge of Solas's plans.

 

It is no longer only about Dorian wanting to stamp out corruption, as it was before. There are new levels of complexity, and the Inquisitor (or former) has a reason to be there other than to help Dorian with his issues. I think Dorian knows that too and is also in a position to help in his own way. They can help each other. It's not one-sided, as Dorian feared it would be.

 

Even though there is a separation and they aren't together in the standard sense, I think there is the potential for this to be relationship-building. In my fanfic writing, long before Trespasser was released, I struggled with how Dorian was going to be spending his time in the South if he remained with the Inquisitor for any length of time. And as we learned, it was two years. So his boyfriend is continually busy doing Inquisitor stuff. The last period of stability Dorian had in his life before this time was when he was Alexius's apprentice and studying to make the rank of enchanter (which he attained), and then senior enchanter (which he did not, due to circumstances). He was doing something, occupied, focused on a goal. I think Dorian is the type who needs that in his life. He is now emotionally stable, the only thing remaining would be for him to be intellectually occupied, and hanging out in Skyhold's library just wouldn't cut it in the long term.

 

I consider the current crisis potentially relationship-building because it allows them to be a team, which is important for any couple. Dorian can help the Inquisitor with his new status as a magister, and the connections he is forging. The Inquisitor can also help Dorian covertly with information, his own spy network, and other things. And of course they also emotionally support each other during this stressful time.

 

Also, I highly doubt that Dorian's relationship with the Inquisitor is unknown, or at least strongly rumored. They don't do anything to hide their relationship, and Dorian is willing to kiss him openly, in front of strangers and representatives of other nations. This knowledge will work for and against Dorian, depending on the perspective of the person. Some may be swayed by the connection, even if the Inquisitor is no longer Inquisitor. Others may be intimidated, or feel threatened by the connection. I'll wager that to most of those persons who share the views of both Dorian and Maevaris, that the connection either wouldn't bother them or they might see it as a benefit. So it's a win in that sense. However, I will say that I think Dorian would probably be irritated, or at least cautious, if the first words out of someone's mouth were, "Can I meet the Inquisitor?!" with stars in their eyes.

 

Dorian doesn't want the Inquisitor do "do it all" himself. But I don't think that is even a factor anymore because the situation has changed so dramatically.

[TwixMix]

Hmm yeah, I can see what you mean. Glad to hear it too lol. A lot has changed... Will we see the same people I wonder? Everyone went off to do their own thing, including Dorian but that just so happens to be in Tevinter.

I'm curious - what fanfiction have you written ?

[GoldenGail3]

Hmm yeah, I can see what you mean. Glad to hear it too lol. A lot has changed... Will we see the same people I wonder? Everyone went off to do their own thing, including Dorian but that just so happens to be in Tevinter.
I'm curious - what fanfiction have you written ?

I'm tempted to write a scene about my Cassandra Romance, and Dorian romance enter a ****** house; and Artemis ends up playing cards with his. Artemis is my favorite, truth to be told; he's not my Dorian Romance. Archer is, he's a likable and retable guy.

But maybe I'll do one of Archer being told off by someone in Tevinter, and Dorian getting offended by it. Since, Archer is Dalish (but so is Artemis, thier brothers).

Sorry for brainstorming on this thread, I just.. Should stap writing for a bit. But no ,I love to write stuff...

[nightscrawl]

Hmm yeah, I can see what you mean. Glad to hear it too lol. A lot has changed... Will we see the same people I wonder? Everyone went off to do their own thing, including Dorian but that just so happens to be in Tevinter.

I'm curious - what fanfiction have you written ?

 

Just Dorian x Trevelyan (my Inquisitor), but it's not posted anywhere.

 

 

This has been discussed in other threads, but I'm thinking that the current path of the series is the perfect opportunity for just scrapping everyone except those that are most essential to the location and plot. And depending on the actual plot of the game, Dorian may only play a smallish part himself.

 

Hawke can be either dead or hanging out with Varric in Kirkwall. There is no reason for Alistair (who may also be dead) to appear, or the ruler of Ferelden. Varric is the Viscount of Kirkwall. Sera is off Red Jennying with her gf Dagna. Blackwall is trying to make amends as a GW. Cole has Maryden or floats off to who-knows-where. Bull is dead or leading the Chargers. Vivienne is Grand Enchanter or the Divine. Josephine is concentrating on her family's affairs. Cullen is dead or finally getting some down time. Cassandra is trying to rebuild the Seekers or is the Divine. Leliana is still the Inquisition's spymaster, the disbanded Inquisition's spymaster, or the Divine. And we know about Dorian and Solas.

 

Aside from Dorian, the primary person I can see returning from that group is Leliana, and only if she is not Divine. I think there are too many variables. She can certainly send Charter or Harding to Tevinter in her stead so we get some fresh blood. That would be REALLY nice. I'm also thinking that Bull might also have the opportunity to appear, but there are so many variables with that. In the game, the ONLY way that he becomes Tal-Vashoth is if you do his personal quest, in all other scenarios he remains with the Qun, even if you do not recruit him. So, even if he is in the next game, his fate is so variable that I doubt it would be a very large role since you could certainly have the scenario where you never even recruited him.

 

Morrigan can also pop up, and I don't really have any way to get around that. Except that my feeling is, "Let's just move on already."

 

And I say all that as someone who actually enjoys the imports and cameos and such. But it's starting to make Thedas seem really small. I want it to feel huge again, like when I first played DAO, and having mostly new people would help with that.

[TwixMix]

Yeah, part of the fun and exploration was recruiting people for the inquisition (party character or not). It would be nice to see some new faces. Possibly new romances? Who can beat Dorian tho I personally look forward to better graphics, not that it was bad, I just know it can be better.

@Golden Gail
Ye that's actually why I ask some of these questions. I'm consider writing something but who knows if I'll ever do it lol I'm notorious for starting things and never finishing/posting them

[Gervaise]

I think there are likely to be very few returning characters if the next game is genuinely set up north in the region of Tevinter, apart from Dorian who has a legitimate reason to be there.   Plus no matter what your relationship with Dorian: romance, friend or rather frosty acquaintance, Dorian always survives through to the end of Trespasser, has been made a Magister and is back in Tevinter leading the lucerni party.

 

Let's face it most of the other companions and advisors in DAI are either leading their own lives now separate from the Inquisition (whether you disband it or not), if you choose to keep it as a peace keeping force are involved with that, or if you disband have effectively retired from active service.   Whatever the case, the majority are based in the south, either Ferelden, Orlais or the Freemarches    Only Cassandra is located anywhere near the action in Tevinter, since even as Divine she divides her time between Orlais and Hunterhorn Mountains.     I suppose it is possible that Morrigan will resurface at some point.     However, so far as actual members of the former Inquisition are concerned the only ones who might be brought back are Harding or Charter, since the epilogue states that Leliana is training them to take over from her.

 

On the whole though, I think by saying we need to find new people, they are essentially highlighting the fact that the next game will feature either wholly new characters or possibly people that we have met briefly, like Calpernia (since you never actually see her dead), or people that were introduced via books/comics like Maevaris or from the latest series.    Dorian may well be there in an advisory capacity and as the link with the team down south, so we will probably get to see him and interact with him (which would be good if we do) but that is all.

[Hazegurl]

I agree that the situation is much larger than Dorian trying to reform his country but I still see a host of other issues to setting up base in Tevinter to the point where I don't see it as a possibility. I can see the IQ traveling to Tevinter to aid Dorian and to see him but not actually live there.

 

As for returning characters. Perhaps Cass would return and Dorian.  Maybe even Cullen?  But I do hope we get a cast of new characters because I hate returning characters in DA.  It's never the same because the PC is brand new.

[GoldenGail3]

Yeah, part of the fun and exploration was recruiting people for the inquisition (party character or not). It would be nice to see some new faces. Possibly new romances? Who can beat Dorian tho I personally look forward to better graphics, not that it was bad, I just know it can be better.
@Golden Gail
Ye that's actually why I ask some of these questions. I'm consider writing something but who knows if I'll ever do it lol I'm notorious for starting things and never finishing/posting them

I actually do them... But yah, I eventually end up scrapping it.

[Crowsfeet]

Dorian in Villa Maurel. Apologies for the grainy image, but it's dark in that corner. There's so much good stuff in that place. I wonder what he's thinking? (although they do look a bit like his backing singers  ). 

 

Spoiler

[nightscrawl]

^ He probably rolled his eyes at the southern Chantry.

 

Thanks for that though, I didn't know there was such an image there. I'll have to look for it the next time I play. I do so enjoy any sort of imagery where Tevinter is represented.

[Crowsfeet]

^ He probably rolled his eyes at the southern Chantry.
 
Thanks for that though, I didn't know there was such an image there. I'll have to look for it the next time I play. I do so enjoy any sort of imagery where Tevinter is represented.

Ha, yes! This is my 5th playthrough and I hadn't noticed it before either. I spent some time looking at everything this time round and this was my favourite piece...you can almost hear the 'evil cackling'.

 

Edit: The same image appears in the chantry in Valence that you visit during Leliana's quest.

[nightscrawl]

Question for you all... I really have no idea why this only just occurred to me, but here it is: If you do NOT recruit Dorian, who is Cullen playing chess with at the start of the scene? Is there an alternate version available to watch somewhere? The Cullen/Dorian dynamic in that scene is pretty cute since Dorian likes to tease people he likes in a friendly way. So I'd imagine that the scene would come across really differently with some other follower.
 
 
I asked the Cullen thread as well, so hopefully I'll get a response somewhere.


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Got a response!

The scene plays out with Leliana instead of Dorian. It's well done, but not as good as the Dorian dynamic.

Here's one version:
https://www.youtube....h?v=1hjN0hC8K9Y

Modifié par nightscrawl, 23 décembre 2015 - 11:36 .

[Melbella]

I've also read that you can have Leliana in the chess scene if you side with Templars and then don't talk to Dorian at Skyhold before it triggers. The game apparently thinks he's not recruited at that point, even if he is there.

 

I haven't seen it myself in a game since I can't refrain from speaking with Dorian that long.

[Gervaise]

Wow, then you'd have to go a seriously long time without speaking to Dorian because I'm sure the chess scene isn't the first one you get with Cullen at Skyhold.   I find it very hard not talking to Dorian at every opportunity and if you do the Templar path there is so much to catch up on when you get to Skyhold.

 

Did you notice in Trespasser how Dorian is sitting there with chess sets all around but no one is playing with him?    It is a pity we couldn't have finally got a game with him, may be when you go to see him the second time and he is just making general conversation whilst remaining seated.   It occurs to me that is something he and Bull have in common, since both play chess and that is something Solas uses to take Bull's mind off the fact that he is now Tal-Vashoth.   So there is quite a chess group going at Skyhold with Cullen, Dorian, Leliana, Bull and Solas.   Strangely enough it is the only thing that Dorian doesn't suggest you do as part of your spending time together.   May be he heard how you defeated Cullen so wanted to retain his pride.    

[nightscrawl]

May be he heard how you defeated Cullen so wanted to retain his pride.

I honestly don't think he is that type, and that his actual pride is reserved for other things. Also, something like that would be more about passing the time, spending more time (non-Inquisition, non-bedroom related) with his boyfriend, than winning. It's also a good way to see how someone's mind works, regardless of whether they are good or bad at it. That's not to say he wouldn't want to win, but avoiding playing a game with someone -- someone that you like! -- on the chance that you might lose is another matter entirely.

 

At any rate, there is a school of thought that Cullen lets you win. Of course, I suppose Dorian wouldn't know that. OR, maybe Dorian does know that, thinks he might win, but doesn't like the idea of letting someone else win (I don't mean this in a negative way), so he just avoids it altogether. That is certainly a more generous way of looking at it. But I think this is one of those time when you're reading too much into the inclusion, or exclusion of something in the game.

 

And... does that game even have a name? Do they call it "chess" the other times it's referenced?

[Gervaise]

Sorry, I forget people don't realise when I'm joking.   Clearly the reason they don't include chess as one of the activities you do with Dorian is simply they didn't consider it.   Probably couldn't come up with an interesting quip or joke associated with it.   I can still imagine it is one of those things that in fact we do have in common and may have indulged in when back in the Inquisitor's quarters.    Another thing that I think we might have done together occasionally is bath time, if we could ever find one in Skyhold that was private.    I'm pretty sure it was one of the early things I requested from Josephine but never got.    

 

I can't remember if they do refer to it ever as chess but I seem to recall Cullen mentions about his nephew playing it when you talk with him in Trespasser.    Even though the pieces on Cullen's chessboard do not look familiar, the conversation between Solas and Iron Bull is clearly about chess even though they never call it as such.  So may be it doesn't have a Thedas name.

[nightscrawl]

Another thing that I think we might have done together occasionally is bath time, if we could ever find one in Skyhold that was private.

Hah it's actually part of my head-canon that that is one of the things they've never done. Er, well I mean aside from the normal grooming, or very light bathing while camping. I am of course referring to a nice soak in a tub. The reason is exactly as you state: privacy.

But I do imagine that the castle has a bathing area somewhere, and it might even be heated, but it would be for the whole castle to use.

 

I can't remember if they do refer to it ever as chess but I seem to recall Cullen mentions about his nephew playing it when you talk with him in Trespasser.    Even though the pieces on Cullen's chessboard do not look familiar, the conversation between Solas and Iron Bull is clearly about chess even though they never call it as such.  So may be it doesn't have a Thedas name.

The reason I asked about the name is because it would be rather difficult to suggest an activity that doesn't actually have a name XD. He does suggest wicked grace, so that's something.

[Gervaise]

May be we used a pool somewhere out in the field.   For example, after we cleared out the dragons, those mineral springs in the Emprise du Lion would be rather good.  Seem to recall they are meant to be heated.  So send the others back with the loot and then enjoy ourselves.    Happy Days!     My estate in Kirkwall is definitely equipped with a nice big bath.   Also a huge walk in wardrobe to accommodate Dorian's extensive range of clothing; he can't take them all with him back to Tevinter.  That way, if he was to come to visit, he can travel light.

 

I was thinking that if we were in Thedas then presumably we would be celebrating Satinalia, so happy feast day!    

[Melbella]

I got a deck of Inquisition playing cards for Christmas and the 7 of hearts is Dorian's romance card.

[nightscrawl]

^ I got a chibi Dorian t-shirt.

 

It certainly is quite nice having loved ones be supportive of your interests in such a way XD.

[nightscrawl]

So, over in the Magekiller thread, there was some discussion about Halward's assassination and I wanted to bring it in here to see what you all thought. Here is a mirror of my post...
 

^ I didn't think AlleluiaElizabeth necessarily meant that Marius would be the one killing him, just that being in that location might provide us more more access to that part of the story.

Also, I think that Marius is more choosey about his targets. I don't think he's going to assassinate some random mage, even a high-ranking one, simply because someone pays him to. He goes after dangerous mages, which Halward is not. He's heavily involved in politics and the like, but he doesn't use blood magic** or summon demons. I really don't think it's likely that Halward was assassinated by the Archon, particularly since he was once of the Archon's inner circle before Dorian's youthful indiscretions brought shame to the family.

Now, I might be inclined to say that Dorian's performance in the Inquisition, and part in helping to stop Corypheus repaired the reputation somewhat. BUT we also know from Dorian himself and his remarks in Trespasser that Tevinter doesn't look too kindly on the Inquisition now that the threat at large is over, and have sent Dorian along -- someone with a less-than-stellar reputation -- as an ambassador because of this.


** Yes, yes the thing with Dorian. However, he never actually performed the ritual, and eschews it as a practice generally.

I didn't want to get too into Dorian discussion since that is not the scope of that thread, but I want to expand a bit in here.

 

First, I will point out that I find it amusing that those who decided Dorian would be a "good" ambassador as basically an insult to the Inquisition pretty much overlook the fact that Dorian could be very good friends, or lover's with, the Inquisitor. Granted, the Inquisitor is not the whole of the Inquisition, but still... I also find it somewhat surprising because it seems like there would at least be rumors of the relationship floating around.

 

Regarding Halward, I wonder if the assassination wasn't in part a threat to Dorian himself, OR if Halward hadn't been plying his influence for Doriain, since he was older with more connections than his son. But it seems an odd step since Dorian is now a magister, a position with more power to affect change.

 

I really wish we had more info about it.

[Gervaise]

I feel that the political situation in Tevinter is a complex one and hope that the comic series reflects that.    I think as far as how Dorian responds as ambassador, he tells you the situation and how he is going to react because he is your friend/lover; he wants you to know that he personally has nothing against the Inquisition but he is acting in his official capacity.   In fact he might feel that you would be better off out of the mess of Exalted Council politics.   If, as he indicates, he said that Tevinter wanted the Inquisition disbanded and so the Exalted Council opposed this on principle, that wouldn't stop someone arranging to assassinate the Inquisitor later, particularly as it is Orlais who want it under their control.   Leliana specifically said to my Inquisitor that they want it disbanded because they fear him personally.   The epilogue to the main game also said as much when it came to people acting against those he had put into positions of power.     So letting the Exalted Council have what they want, not only means Tevinter will be happy too, but Dorian will have ensured the long term safety of his friend/lover.   It is noticeable that if Dorian did not leave the Inquisition on good terms with the Inquisitor, you get no such explanation of why he is acting as he is and it is obvious that he is enjoying your fall from grace, whereas if he left on good terms then he says he hates having been proven right about no one thanking you in the end.

 

As for the Halward assassination, Dorian says that he suspects his father got him the ambassadorship to get him out of harms way.   Clearly Halward knew something was brewing and probably expected a move against him.    Remember that Maevaris had made certain motions in the Senate and although voted down, would have highlighted who did support her aims.   Given Halward's original opposition to blood magic and corruption, I presume he would have supported her.    Then Dorian comes back and starts canvassing for support for his lucerni party.   So this would make the family generally a target and with Dorian packed off south out of danger, his enemies moved against Halward.   It is possible that they assumed Halward would have disowned Dorian and thought that by getting rid of Halward, Dorian would lack any real power.   If that was the case, then it backfired spectacularly for them.

 

I actually wonder though if the Archon might secretly support the lucerni.   Halward was part of his inner circle and it struck me that the family's assertion that Dorian would one day be Archon was significant.   According to WoT1 it is traditional for the Archon to nominate their heir to the position and only if they die without doing so does the Magisterium get involved.     So could it be that Halward had been working on the Archon to nominate Dorian before his antics proved too much of a political embarrassment for him to be considered?    Hence Halward confirming Dorian as his heir to the Magisterium seat since the former ambition he had for him was no longer possible.

 

If anyone from the higher ranks might have a hand in the death of Halward my money would be on the Black Divine.   From what I know of him from Asunder and WoT2, I doubt he would be thrilled by Dorian's attempts to stamp out corruption.    Not that you'd be able to trace it back to him direct; he'd be much too astute a character for that but he would have plenty of allies he could rely on for the purpose.  Although Dorian does says that he left a party early on one occasion so he could personally assassinate someone, so perhaps the Black Divine is so secure in his position he doesn't care who knows when he is involved.

[nightscrawl]

Just fyi, it is technically Mae's lucerni party, although Dorian has a leadership role in it. I only mention it since you've referred to it that way several times. It makes sense as well, since Mae is the senior senator.
 

For months I've had only the Society of Maevaris's fledgling Lucerni party...

Sigh... I really need to play Trespasser again to see some of these dialogues and all the various options. But I really don't want to. >.<

[Gervaise]

Sorry, my mistake.   However, you have to admit that from what it says in the epilogue to Trespasser, Dorian very soon seems to become the figurehead for the movement, since it says it is his voice and his stance that is generally recognised, which is why I think of it as his party.   Apologies to Maevaris but it does seem like without Dorian the fledgling party would never have really have got off the ground in a significant way.

 

Quote: "As rumours flew about the Imperium's infighting, Dorian was often spoken of as a voice of resistance against corruption.   Along with Magister Tilani, he formed a group called the Lucerni to restore and redeem Tevinter, a fight many thought hopeless."

 

It is just possible that he said it was Maevaris' party in his letter to the Inquisitor because either he was being modest (?) or did not want to reveal just how involved he now was in Tevinter politics until he had spoken to you personally, because you might guess that he would be ending his time in the south.

[nightscrawl]

Or another inconsistency...