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[Melbella]

Hello there.
Since this is the Dorian thread I hope you can help me.
 
I'm currently playing through the game again and of course I'm about to romance Dorian. ^^
I'm doing the "magisterst birthright" quest.
 
I know that there are different ways to get the amulet back for him.
Doing the favour for Ponchard thorugh wartable and Intimidate Ponchard.
I know intimidate works only with a qunari and a noble trevelyan, but it should working for all classes/races with the nobility knowledge perk but this symbol won't show up, no matter what I do.
It's strange because I remember beeing able to choose it in past playthroughs.
 
I definitely have the nobility knowkledge perk selected at the war table and  tried nearly all possibilties. Asking and not asking Dorian about the amulet while bringing him with me to Val Royeaux or leaving him at Skyhold, but the bloody icon won't show up.
I like that he responds a little differently when you just had to "glare" at the ponchard to get the amulet and I try to record all the different scences.
 
Oh and I'm playing a male mage trevelyan and did'nt do HLTA or WEAWH yet.
Any ideas how I get the icon to show up? Or has anybody experieced the same (bug)?

Hmm, I didn't think you could use the nobility perk on it's own to successfully intimidate him. I'd have to check but I thought I tried on my Elf Templar, and I'm pretty sure it was after Wicked, and it didn't work.

Here is what the wiki says:

◾Agree to Ponchard's terms, which unlocks the Help Ponchard de Lieux operation war table operation.
◾ If you agree to Ponchard's terms: Return to Skyhold and complete the Help Ponchard de Lieux operation at the war table. Upon completion of the operation, the amulet will be acquired. Speak to Dorian at Skyhold to complete the quest. Agreeing to Ponchard's demands will result in DAIApproval Dorian Slightly Disapproves
Note: you can choose the "forget it" option (Dorian slightly approves) and then still do the war table operation and complete the quest.

◾Intimidate Ponchard
◾ If the Inquisitor has blackmailed all 3 of Gaspard, Celene and Briala into working for the Inquisition, threatening Ponchard will scare him into giving up he amulet immediately.
◾ If the Inquisitor is a Qunari or a non-Mage Trevelyan, threatening Ponchard will also work automatically. DAIApproval Sera Slightly Approves
◾ If the Inquisitor has the Nobility Knowledge perk, intimidating Ponchard will have him deliver the amulet to Skyhold. DAIApproval Dorian Slightly Disapproves

 

So, perhaps you just need to go back to Skyhold and the amulet will be there?

 

Edit: another source indicates that all three of the above conditions are required to successfully intimidate him; however, I don't believe that to be the case since my Templar Trevelyan kept Celene alone on the throne and could do it.

Modifié par Melbella, 21 mai 2016 - 01:44 .

[nightscrawl]

◾ If the Inquisitor has the Nobility Knowledge perk, intimidating Ponchard will have him deliver the amulet to Skyhold. DAIApproval Dorian Slightly Disapproves
 
So, perhaps you just need to go back to Skyhold and the amulet will be there?

In the case of amulet delivery, Ponchard actually says, "I will have it sent to Skyhold immediately," so the player would know it was successful. However, Carjani said the option was not available at all.

[Arlee]

 

Edit: another source indicates that all three of the above conditions are required to successfully intimidate him; however, I don't believe that to be the case since my Templar Trevelyan kept Celene alone on the throne and could do it.

 

 

Yea all three are definitely not needed because I have never blackmailed the all three people in ruling Orlais jointly. Also my Elf Templar did have the Nobility Perk and trying to intimidate Ponchard didn't work at all, so I don't think that perk really can do it on it's own. Maybe you need the perk and one other thing?

 

 

My Trev Rogue with the perk was able to blackmail him no problem.

 

[Carjani]

The dialogue in the video with the elf templar is exactly the same I get with my human mage.

With the Trevelyan noble the "Human option" shows up, whether the human mage just get the normal "Star-option".

 

Well I guess the wiki is eiter wrong or missing some details in case of how the nobility knowledge perk exactly works.

Nonetheless thank you all for your help. ^^

[Gervaise]

I think I've finally worked out the trick with getting dialogue between all three party members, use the groupings that the writers originally suggested were a natural fit.   Remember how they described Solas/Cassandra/Cole as "Team Mutually Respective Theological Debate"?   Well Bull, Dorian and Sera were described as "Team YOLO".   I thought I'd start another run through romancing Dorian but this time with a mage rather than an archer, so more inclined to use Sera.   My last male mage was romancing Cassandra so tended to take her everywhere with me, which meant no need for Bull.    Anyway, this time round I went out with Team YOLO and amazingly I have finally got a party that seems to chat on a fairly regular basis with no one person monopolising the conversation: Dorian talks to Bull, Bull talks to Sera; Sera talks with them both.    I'm guessing the conversation between Bull and Dorian will dry up fairly soon since Bull is hardly likely to hit on  Dorian when he is in a relationship with me but it is good for the present to actually hear them nattering on.

 

Mind you, one of the conversations between Dorian and Sera emphasises that much of the dialogue must have been written with a human Inquisitor in mind.

Dorian: You know, I've never met an elf quite like you Sera.

Sera: I don't doubt it.  They're all slaves where you come from.   (Lavellan thinks: "You're not really like me either")

Dorian: Not all of them, but yes..... you have a point.

Sera: You ever talked to one who wasn't.  (Lavellan smirks and thinks "He's done more than just talked".)

Dorian: No, but I'm glad I have now.  (Lavellan: "Hello, have you forgotten the ears and the tattoos, the whole Dalish "never again will we submit" thing?    And how come both of you resent it when I raise the matter of Sera being an elf and Tevinter having elven slaves, but you're just fine and dandy with each other?)

 

It really did seem like my elven Inquisitor was invisible while this conversation was taking place.

[Sarah1281]

I was playing through the Dorian romance and trying to space it out so I wouldn't run out of story with the companions early on in my 100+ hour game (I'm a completionist and this time I WILL kill all those dragons so I need to seriously level up) but even though I had plainly started the romance with Dorian I hadn't made it completely official with the quarters scene and Iron Bull made me really nervous when he started making sexual remarks to Dorian. And, sure, I could have just not put them in the party together but I kind of never took Dorian out of my party since I got him and I was killing Venatori trying to raise Bull's approval since he wouldn't talk to me. So I hurried up and progressed the romance before I risked finding out that I didn't move quickly enough and Dorian left my Inquisitor for Bull. 

 

I'm not sure if the game decided I wasn't far enough in the romance to commit to it to get Bull to not be hitting on someone else's love interest or if he just doesn't care and will go out and hit on someone else's love interest. 

 

The Dorian romance is seriously killing me. I always play as a female. Pretty much always. I've played a lot of Bioware games and have managed over the years to do a male KotOR character, a male Jade Empire character, and a male Origins character and countless female characters but I think I'm in very real danger of never playing a female Inquisitor again. It's that bad. I was really planning on playing the Cullen romance for myself but now who knows if that will ever happen? 

 

I'm currently hung up on that fancy little arm motion he makes when he asks the Inquisitor to dance at the Winter Ball. 

[coldwetn0se]

I was playing through the Dorian romance and trying to space it out so I wouldn't run out of story with the companions early on in my 100+ hour game (I'm a completionist and this time I WILL kill all those dragons so I need to seriously level up) but even though I had plainly started the romance with Dorian I hadn't made it completely official with the quarters scene and Iron Bull made me really nervous when he started making sexual remarks to Dorian. And, sure, I could have just not put them in the party together but I kind of never took Dorian out of my party since I got him and I was killing Venatori trying to raise Bull's approval since he wouldn't talk to me. So I hurried up and progressed the romance before I risked finding out that I didn't move quickly enough and Dorian left my Inquisitor for Bull. 
 
I'm not sure if the game decided I wasn't far enough in the romance to commit to it to get Bull to not be hitting on someone else's love interest or if he just doesn't care and will go out and hit on someone else's love interest. 
 
The Dorian romance is seriously killing me. I always play as a female. Pretty much always. I've played a lot of Bioware games and have managed over the years to do a male KotOR character, a male Jade Empire character, and a male Origins character and countless female characters but I think I'm in very real danger of never playing a female Inquisitor again. It's that bad. I was really planning on playing the Cullen romance for myself but now who knows if that will ever happen? 
 
I'm currently hung up on that fancy little arm motion he makes when he asks the Inquisitor to dance at the Winter Ball.

Bull and Dorian will not develop a relationship, if you are eligible for either, and not currently locked in another romance. Bull will still flirt, mind you, but that is the extent of it. So feel free to pace the romance as you please.

I always have to rush the Dorian romance, because to this day, much of his PQ material, wants to "bug" out. I just have to RP my inkies to accomodate - or headcanon that it was a slower burn than it appeared.

[Sarah1281]

I always have to rush the Dorian romance, because to this day, much of his PQ material, wants to "bug" out. I just have to RP my inkies to accomodate - or headcanon that it was a slower burn than it appeared.

 

Now I'm having a really funny thought about pacing the romance extremely slowly and only getting to the attempted sex scene towards the end and the Inquisitor still thinks it's moving too fast and they shouldn't rush things. 

[coldwetn0se]

Now I'm having a really funny thought about pacing the romance extremely slowly and only getting to the attempted sex scene towards the end and the Inquisitor still thinks it's moving too fast and they shouldn't rush things.

That could be a fun way to RP.

I should note that some content in the romances are gated to main events. So you may run the risk of missing said content, if you have not reached certain points in the romance. Also, I am not sure if Dorian is one of those LI's whose romance might get locked out, after WPHW (Temple of Mythal). I admit to not being well versed on which romances are (or can be) affected by finishing that part of the main quest. It may be worth looking into, just to be safe. I'm betting one of the regulars in this thread, would be much better suited in providing the appropriate information - and keeping it relatively spoiler free (if you have yet to finish the game).

Good luck and enjoy your game!

[Arlee]

That could be a fun way to RP.

I should note that some content in the romances are gated to main events. So you may run the risk of missing said content, if you have not reached certain points in the romance. Also, I am not sure if Dorian is one of those LI's whose romance might get locked out, after WPHW (Temple of Mythal). I admit to not being well versed on which romances are (or can be) affected by finishing that part of the main quest. It may be worth looking into, just to be safe. I'm betting one of the regulars in this thread, would be much better suited in providing the appropriate information - and keeping it relatively spoiler free (if you have yet to finish the game).

Good luck and enjoy your game!

 

I could be mistaken but I think if you haven't played through the amulet questline and finished it with the room scene before finishing the Temple of Mythal stuff you lose the ability to complete his romance and the game will act as if you are single.

[nightscrawl]

... I think I'm in very real danger of never playing a female Inquisitor again. It's that bad.

Welcome to the club. I made a guy (SnS warrior) for Dorian and I like the character so much that he is now my canon Inquisitor. My canons in both DAO and DA2 were female mages.
 
 

I could be mistaken but I think if you haven't played through the amulet questline and finished it with the room scene before finishing the Temple of Mythal stuff you lose the ability to complete his romance and the game will act as if you are single.

Yes, this is true for all romance plots, and also most character plots. You really need to finish all of the important things before going to the Temple of Mythal. People should probably aim to hit most of the benchmarks before the major missions anyway, because there are romance specific lines after them. If you don't have the romance lock-in before Adamant, you won't get those lines, if not before WEWH you won't get to dance, and so on.

[Gervaise]

According to the dialogue for Dorian that was posted on-line, there are meant to be comments that he makes when in Val Royeaux.    Now every time I've been to the capital all my companions have been totally silent, neither talking to one another nor making comments of their own.   So has anyone else ever heard comments in Val Royeaux, particularly from Dorian?

[nightscrawl]

^ Wanna give a link?
 
At any rate, I have never heard any remarks from Dorian, or anyone else, in VR. Also, according to the extensive dev post about banter issues,

There are also areas where this kind of banter will not fire at all. These include Skyhold, Haven, and Val Royeaux.

The only VR comments from Dorian I'm aware of are ones he makes during the trip to see that guy as part of Josephine's quest. If you decide to kill the guy and engage in combat, when its over he will say, "That's the last time I wait outside when you're involved," or something along those lines. I've never actually seen this myself, I've only heard about it.

[Gervaise]

You know I'm terrible at links, but it was among the Dan Daunchy stuff that was posted her several hundred pages back.   When the Devs said that there were areas like Skyhold, Haven and Val Royeaux that it would not fire at all, I thought this was deliberate; I mean there is no real reason why banter/comments ought to trigger in either Skyhold or Haven since you do not have any party members with you.   However, I always thought it odd that the one place that you could happily walk around and hear people chatting, and would not get rudely interrupted by a passing bear, was Val Royeaux.   It also seemed odd that companions wouldn't comment about the capital city, particularly if it weren't locals.   My latest replay I'm pretty certain I did get a passing comment from Varric when we first went there but that was all.  All others appear mute with awe and wonder (sarcasm), which is a pity because although I can read what Dorian's comments should have been, it is not the same as actually hearing him say it (though I can do a pretty good impression in my head.)

 

What we should have heard:

"So this is the heart of mighty Orlais?"

"At least we're in a city.   I'm tempted to find a tavern.   Perhaps all of them."

"So many masks, what a bizarre custom."

"We need to find some proper wine while we're here.  I'm rather desperate."

"It's not as austere as Tevinter cities.  Not nearly as many dragon statues.  Such garish colours.  And where are the ruins.   Minrathous is full of ruins."

 

The last one is of greatest interest since it hints at what we'll find when we go north and in view of that is rather disappointing.   I've said over on the Tevinter thread that I was hoping they would retract on the information in WoT1 and make Tevinter more exotic and colourful than we've been led to believe but unfortunately, based on this comment, that is not going to be the case.

[Reznore57]

Yes I remember those banters in Val Royeaux , never got them in game of course , but saw the videos back then.

I have no idea why they aren't in games , they are in the files , the devs chose to not use them...perhaps they had some glitch or they felt like too many people were talking in the city already...

[nightscrawl]

Perhaps the reason for their not being used in VR is because of all of the ambient NPC dialogue. There could be cross-fire problems if you're running all around past numerous NPCs.

 

The last one makes me kind of sad actually. He really is homesick, poor thing.

 

 

So, all you do to post a link is copy the url of something (from the address bar in your browser) and paste it in the post box. It doesn't have to be all fancy.

 

If you want it be a linked phrase, like, "Isn't cheese the greatest?" you just write out your phrase, highlight it, click the link button on the post box toolbar (it looks like a chain, so a "link"), and paste in the url.

[Reznore57]

https://youtu.be/9k9...xroZhiEfi&t=572

 

 

I can't manage to post the video about Val Royeaux...I've tried the flash tag , the media tag ...not working.

Whatever.

Anyway it starts at 9:25.

[Havyn25]

That could be a fun way to RP.

I should note that some content in the romances are gated to main events. So you may run the risk of missing said content, if you have not reached certain points in the romance. Also, I am not sure if Dorian is one of those LI's whose romance might get locked out, after WPHW (Temple of Mythal). I admit to not being well versed on which romances are (or can be) affected by finishing that part of the main quest. It may be worth looking into, just to be safe. I'm betting one of the regulars in this thread, would be much better suited in providing the appropriate information - and keeping it relatively spoiler free (if you have yet to finish the game).

Good luck and enjoy your game!

 

You can still get the romance after the Temple of Mythal, but you miss out on a wonderful conversation if you do - I accidentally did it once and didn't get the option for the "what happens after" conversation.

 

Paraphrasing Dorian in that one. "Sweet Maker, next you'll be making calf-eyes at puppies."

[Gervaise]

That was one instance when I didn't entirely appreciate his wit.    However, it wasn't the only option.   You can just ask him to give you a straight answer; Dorian didn't like that at all.    Still we kissed and made up a moment later.   Neither of us can stay angry for long.     The reason why I don't like leaving quests to do after the epilogue is that you no longer have the option to kiss on your return to Skyhold.    That was always a regular part of the routine; go out, kill a few random strangers together and then back to enjoy one another.  

 

One of the things I miss from DAO was the ability to kiss Alistair out in the field.   It just seemed so appropriate that after he had been knock out in a battle I would give him a quick hug and a kiss.    I'm not sure whether Dorian would approve or not though.   I did wish I'd been allowed to give him one final kiss after declaring my love for him in Trespasser, particularly since I wasn't sure if that really was going to be the end for my guy.   Mind you, poor Dorian seemed so distressed at fearing the same thing that kissing him might have been more than he could take. 

[Sarah1281]

Paraphrasing Dorian in that one. "Sweet Maker, next you'll be making calf-eyes at puppies."

Oh, he loves it. 

 

I've heard that if you don't flirt with him prior to the meeting with his father, he has a different reaction if you announce that you've had sex with men before. Does anyone know if that's true or what he says? 

[Reznore57]

Oh, he loves it. 

 

I've heard that if you don't flirt with him prior to the meeting with his father, he has a different reaction if you announce that you've had sex with men before. Does anyone know if that's true or what he says? 

 

I think he's a bit surprised and wonders how they are going to work that angle in the chant of light or something.

[nightscrawl]

Oh, he loves it.

I think he does, too.

That scene is rather complicated, not only for his responses, but for the options available to the Inquisitor. He doesn't like being put on the spot regarding his feelings, so his guard is up. He's also not confident with the future of the relationship, made clear by his "port in a storm" remark.

 

I personally don't have an issue with the way the dialogue plays out, regardless of the options chosen. I also like that the Inquisitor is allowed various responses, including being frustrated by Dorian's obfuscation. Like so much of this romance, there is a wide range of roleplay opportunity to suit different relationship types, and different Inquisitors. But in the end, he gets serious and gives you an honest answer. I think it's fair.

 

I will say that one thing I miss about the the path I take, that of the surprise kiss, is that I don't get to see the other post-Giselle Dorian remarks about his teasing -- "I tease you too much, I know," to which you can respond, "I probably deserve it." I love that stuff.

[Gervaise]

You have to admit though that getting him to spring a kiss on you and then saying "this makes the rumours somewhat true" is priceless.   I've tried both options and either is good but just prefer the surprise one because of the way you build up to it.    It was interesting on my latest run that after it I got another prompt to actually start the relationship by confirming that I did want us to be closer, which made sense in a way because of the way the previous encounter finished, and then we got the possibility of having a kiss in private or spending some time together before I did the Birthright Quest, which has never happened before.   In the past I've simply got an endless loop of me saying "I want us to be closer" until after that quest was completed.   Which made the whole romance flow a lot better since instead of jumping rather quickly from first kiss to sex, which made my lad's reticence understandable, we actually had what seemed like a series of romantic rendeavouz, getting to know one another, building up to the bedroom scene, so saying "I thought you'd never ask", made a lot of sense and Dorian's surprise at you wanting to slow things down also very understandable.

 

I can't bring myself to take the heart icon during the meeting with his father; it just seems rather inappropriate at that time but that is just me.   I'm sure other people find it fun, particularly the "chant of light" comment.  

[Sarah1281]

You have to admit though that getting him to spring a kiss on you and then saying "this makes the rumours somewhat true" is priceless.   I've tried both options and either is good but just prefer the surprise one because of the way you build up to it.    It was interesting on my latest run that after it I got another prompt to actually start the relationship by confirming that I did want us to be closer, which made sense in a way because of the way the previous encounter finished, and then we got the possibility of having a kiss in private or spending some time together before I did the Birthright Quest, which has never happened before.   In the past I've simply got an endless loop of me saying "I want us to be closer" until after that quest was completed.   Which made the whole romance flow a lot better since instead of jumping rather quickly from first kiss to sex, which made my lad's reticence understandable, we actually had what seemed like a series of romantic rendeavouz, getting to know one another, building up to the bedroom scene, so saying "I thought you'd never ask", made a lot of sense and Dorian's surprise at you wanting to slow things down also very understandable.

 

I can't bring myself to take the heart icon during the meeting with his father; it just seems rather inappropriate at that time but that is just me.   I'm sure other people find it fun, particularly the "chant of light" comment.  

I love the tone of his voice after he awkwardly brings up that people think he's having sex with a possibly flirting at most Inquisitor and the Inquisitor responds with "That's not the worst assumption they can make, is it?" and he's just so taken aback and pleased and they have their cute little back and forth about Dorian refusing to answer questions. I usually do this now plus it's a little less awkward kissing him right after he's recovering from the meeting with the dad (even if I like his "my father never understood" line). 

 

But yeah, it's a little awkward bringing up "I have totally had gay sex" but then, especially because then Halward nonsensically thinks Dorian joined because he had a one night stand with the Inquisitor or was chilling in Tevinter, heard the Inquisitor was gay, and ran down there. But I can kind of see how it's supportive if you ask for clarification about that and he bluntly states he's interested in sex with men. I think the "I've done it too" line is better with "Really no women at all?" because,you know, if he were interested in women at all there wouldn't have been a problem with his family and he said what he said. It's a kind of solidarity, I think. Assuring him you not only don't have a problem but you can identify with him. It's not like you start hitting on him in the middle of this. Especially since he sounds so angry and defensive and I think his response to "I've done it" is better than his response to "I had no idea" and "I kind of figured". He just sounded angrier in those when he says he doesn't go around introducing himself as 'My name is Dorian and I like men' but he sometimes thinks he should and when he says well why should he hide it? He doesn't understand why everyone cares. 

 

And that I tried in the conversation afterwards telling him "I think you're trouble" which was completely awful. The Inquisitor sounds so hostile and Dorian just looks so upset and quiet and says it's not an uncommon thing and he's sure others will also say the same (and even after that and telling him to listen to what his father had to say he still was happy to start a romance!). But I haven't tried the "I thought it was entertaining" line. The bottom line is usually worst in this kind of thing but I can't imagine how something shortened to "I thought your big scene with your father where we find out he tried to change you using blood magic because you're gay was super entertaining" would be better than "You're trouble." Even though, hello, you brought the meeting to his attention and agreed to go and you only had to be there for the meeting for three minutes anyway. 

[nightscrawl]

I can't bring myself to take the heart icon during the meeting with his father; it just seems rather inappropriate at that time but that is just me.   I'm sure other people find it fun, particularly the "chant of light" comment.

I don't take this whole path in the investigate because of RP reasons. To me, the best part of it is Dorian's defense of the Inquisitor after Halward makes his comment.
 
 

But yeah, it's a little awkward bringing up "I have totally had gay sex" but then, especially because then Halward nonsensically thinks Dorian joined because he had a one night stand with the Inquisitor or was chilling in Tevinter, heard the Inquisitor was gay, and ran down there.

While it is absurd, it also perfectly illustrates how Halward views Dorian, "What my father knows of me would barely fill a thimble," what Dorian has had to deal with in regard to that, and so on. What rather angers me about the whole thing is that even after Alexius tried to explain some of it in a latter to Halward (in WoT Vol. 2), he still doesn't get it.

 

No wonder Dorian doesn't like to discuss his feelings, his own damn father never bothered to inquire about them.