I honestly think it's more likely that Bioware will make the defeat o the dalish forced than the destruction of Orlais, if they go on a forced route.Because I don't want another damned Orzammar plot; I want to take action to destroy one of our worst enemies.
Never. Not in ten thousand years will I accept this happening, especially without influence.
It's basically the same notion i have touted for months ._.
Its about the only surefire way to have Mages play a part in Thedas further down the line with out massive continuity issues.
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Well, that i believe more than some murder, being committed long ago.
Never. Not in ten thousand years will I accept this happening, especially without influence.
Xil, if it isn't resolved soon, like in DAI or the next game, it will happen naturally. The nations of Thedas won't tolerate Templars and Mages tearing up the countryside with their war. Certain elements in the book are already talking about taking a hand to end the sillyness before the outright rebellion even begins. If it isn't resolved in the next two games, mark my words, it will become marginalized, otherwise it just becomes an annoying continuance you can't rectify.
I honestly think it's more likely that Bioware will make the defeat o the dalish forced than the destruction of Orlais, if they go on a forced route.
That's why I said you're probably up to disappointment if you think that Orlais will fall in DAI.
Then I'll rage about it then, and prepare now.
It's basically the same notion i have touted for months ._.
Its about the only surefire way to have Mages play a part in Thedas further down the line with out massive continuity issues.
Or just have the Chantry back off and have the Inquisition manage things.
Xil, if it isn't resolved soon, like in DAI or the next game, it will happen naturally. The nations of Thedas won't tolerate Templars and Mages tearing up the countryside with their war. Certain elements in the book are already talking about taking a hand to end the sillyness before the outright rebellion even begins. If it isn't resolved in the next two games, mark my words, it will become marginalized, otherwise it just becomes an annoying continuance you can't rectify.
Then let the mages win.
I honestly think it's more likely that Bioware will make the defeat o the dalish forced than the destruction of Orlais, if they go on a forced route.
That's why I said you're probably up to disappointment if you think that Orlais will fall in DAI.
That is why I think there will be a compromise where the dalish end up supporting one side or the other of the OCW.
Involvement in DAI??? Biggest impact I could see us having would be forcing the sides to come together and broker some agreement. I can see no way where the Inquisitor takes a break from his veil tears to actively take a part in the OCW or a Dalish conflict-aside from the Dalish being the bad guys that you must put down. I can see him making them come to terms and deal with the real threat.
Why should I be prepared? I don't want the defeat of the dalish forced. But I don't want the fall of Orlais either, becuase it means that the player will be railroaded in the decision. Which is one do the thing I hate most.Then I'll rage about it then, and prepare now.
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better play safe than sorry and get nerd raged 
That is why I think there will be a compromise where the dalish end up supporting one side or the other of the OCW.
Involvement in DAI??? Biggest impact I could see us having would be forcing the sides to come together and broker some agreement. I can see no way where the Inquisitor takes a break from his veil tears to actively take a part in the OCW or a Dalish conflict-aside from the Dalish being the bad guys that you must put down. I can see him making them come to terms and deal with the real threat.
Why? What makes Orlais so ****** special when two Dalish clans could already be wiped out?
Why should I be prepared? I don't want the defeat of the dalish forced. But I don't want the fall of Orlais either, becuase it means that the player will be railroaded in the decision. Which is one do the thing I hate most.
The player wouldn't have to help; they could try to cushion the blow or push it along, and if we shift to Tevinter for the next game, it probably won't matter all that much for imports.
And I meant that I was preparing for rage now.
Me and Xilizhra are talking about the possible outcomes of the OCW. I think the Inqusiitor might be able to take a side in the civil war.That is why I think there will be a compromise where the dalish end up supporting one side or the other of the OCW.
Involvement in DAI??? Biggest impact I could see us having would be forcing the sides to come together and broker some agreement. I can see no way where the Inquisitor takes a break from his veil tears to actively take a part in the OCW or a Dalish conflict-aside from the Dalish being the bad guys that you must put down. I can see him making them come to terms and deal with the real threat.
It seems that being isolationist jerks is the Dalish "hat". Although I love their culture and lore, I don't understand why some people are surprised about this. The Dalish Origin starts with Mahariel and Tamlen pointing arrows to a bunch of treasure hunters because they were near their camp.
It's not quite that simple, because the clans are different from one another. That's why Zevran comments on how he heard that the Dalish elves in Antiva City are more dangerous than their Ferelden counterparts, and why Velanna's clan comments positively about her being in the company of humans.
Also, Gaider's response to PsychoBlonde, posted 5/20/09 (emphasis mine) at the old Dragon Age Central board:
The Dalish have the Gathering every 10 years, where all the clans are supposed to gather and the Keepers of each clan share their knowledge with each other. This is also where Dalish-wide issues are dealt with, and ideally the Gathering is supposed to keep the Dalish roughly in step with each other. In practice, though, you are correct. Each clan tends to go the way that its Keeper dictates. Some clans are very militant, almost xenophobic. Some are little more than bandits in whatever wilderness they've staked out (this is often the case in Tevinter, for instance). A few are quite benevolent and live in peace with nearby humans -- the Rivaini city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts, and trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged.
The idea that all the Dalish are "isolatonist jerks" is simply wrong.
Ok, just an observation. Is the angst from Xil and Lob and others because ya'll had some head cannon idea that the Dalish were elves that standoffish but would have good relations with non Dalish?
It is a central theme to their entire design. They don't associate with other cultures, they are isolationists. They are defined by their very isolation. They don't associate with other cultures. This doesn't make them evil or antagonist, just not friendly.
If you like the Dalish, I would think their desire to be apart from other cultures is their appeal. It is largely what makes them unique and even the appeal I have regarding playing a dalish is this characteristic. If you take away the isolationist component to them, they are just tall dwarves with long ears.
No, it's because the Dalish are varied and different, and some of us are hoping that the Dalish aren't simply antagonists. I'd like to see the elves - Dalish and Alienage inhabitants alike - be given their own perspectives.
Part of the appeal about the Dalish for me is their refusal to submit and surrender what makes them who they are, despite the trials and tribulations they face because of it; even Merrill, who cared about the elves of the Alienage and had no problem with non-elves (given her friendships with Varric and Isabela), was still Dalish. Even when Anders tried to convince her she was wrong, she refused to abandon her beliefs.
Being Dalish in Inquisition appeals to me. I'm hoping for an elven point of view in the storyline, as well as the agency to help the elves when it's possible. I'd certainly hate to be pigeonholed into helping one of the human factions vying for the throne of Orlais while the elves continue to suffer.
Orlais is way bigger than two clans. Would you have been fine with most of the dalish being killed in a hypothetical Arlathven in the previous games?Why? What makes Orlais so ****** special when two Dalish clans could already be wiped out?
The player wouldn't have to help; they could try to cushion the blow or push it along, and if we shift to Tevinter for the next game, it probably won't matter all that much for imports.
And I meant that I was preparing for rage now?
The Dalish aren't going to be destroyed. Neither is Orlais. Both may be weakened, but not destroyed
The Dalish aren't going to be destroyed. Neither is Orlais. Both may be weakened, but not destroyed
The idea that all the Dalish are "isolatonist jerks" is simply wrong.
As far best of dalish clans was one isolated and mistrustful with keeper who was obsessed with revenge and created curse... second clan was full of pr*** that just waited for excuse to attack your pc no matter his/her attitude and those were "good" clans damn i can't wait to see bad clan...
Me and Xilizhra are talking about the possible outcomes of the OCW. I think the Inqusiitor might be able to take a side in the civil war.
I got that. I also don't see the Inquisitor stopping his quest to save the world to take a side in the OCW or possible Dalish conflict-which btw we aren't even certain is going to happen. I can see him forcing them to come to terms to strengthen forces for dealing with the whole saving the world thing. I don't see him caring about what is largely a political dispute-OCW or a dalish uprising anymore than I see him marching with the templars to kill apostates or marching with the mages to burn down the grand cathedral.
It isn't his goal. Slight involvement through sidequests and such yes, but not major involvement determining the outcomes.
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It's not quite that simple, because the clans are different from one another. That's why Zevran comments on how he heard that the Dalish elves in Antiva City are more dangerous than their Ferelden counterparts, and why Velanna's clan comments positively about her being in the company of humans.
Also, Gaider's response to PsychoBlonde, posted 5/20/09 (emphasis mine) at the old Dragon Age Central board:
The idea that all the Dalish are "isolatonist jerks" is simply wrong.
Exactly!
Now if only the Dalish clans and characters we meet in-game would reflect this wide spectrum of benevolence and tolerance versus antagonism and isolationism, that would be great. Hopefully we can actually see the friendly, benevolent, tolerant Dalish that the devs say exist, but we haven't gotten a chance to encounter as much in the main games. (I would LOVE to count Velanna's clan in Awakening, but sadly few people seem to play or remember it.)
I wonder how much Ferelden or Nevarra would be willing to offer, be it in favors or gold, for chunks or Orlais. Hopefully our Inquisitor will get the chance to be a part-time realtor.
Exactly!
Now if only the Dalish clans and characters we meet in-game would reflect this wide spectrum of benevolence/tolerance versus antagonism/isolationism, that would be great. Actually see the friendly, benevolent, tolerant Dalish that the devs say exist, but we haven't gotten a chance to encounter as much in the main games. (I would LOVE to count Velanna's clan in Awakening, but sadly few people seem to play or remember it.)
Three people count as a Klan now?
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Also there is that semi permanent Enclave outside of Antiva City supposedly...But for the most part i think the Dalish for the majority are likely how they have been portrayed, its not inaccurate to the lore given Isolationism goes hand in hand with being Dalish for the most part.
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