I wonder how much Ferelden or Nevarra would be willing to offer, be it in favors or gold, for chunks or Orlais. Hopefully our Inquisitor will get the chance to be a part-time realtor.
Fereldan likely wouldn't bother given their difficulties and rebuilding and Nevarra is to far to effectively manage it.
Pity you don't have any actual competition to Orlais anywhere near them eh?
I'd love to auction off Celene's throne 
As far best of dalish clans was one isolated and mistrustful with keeper who was obsessed with revenge and created curse... second clan was full of pr*** that just waited for excuse to attack your pc no matter his/her attitude and those were "good" clans damn i can't wait to see bad clan...
I respectfully disagree. Also, Lanaya makes a very good Keeper, especially given her role in settling disputes between humans and elves, and being a respected presence at the royal court.
I wonder how much Ferelden or Nevarra would be willing to offer, be it in favors or gold, for chunks or Orlais. Hopefully our Inquisitor will get the chance to be a part-time realtor.
The Dales having borders with the Frostback Mountains makes me wonder if an emancipated kingdom might have control over surface lyrium trade (which would depend on the location of the entrance to Orzammar, I suppose). Lyrium is the Thedas version of Spice...
Orlais is way bigger than two clans. Would you have been fine with most of the dalish being killed in a hypothetical Arlathven in the previous games?
Misunderstood your previous post. I apologize
I don't understand what you mean though. You're proposing that we should get a choice in destroying/saving Orlais?
I wouldn't want that to have become an issue at all. It's quite possible that I wouldn't want Orlais to become an issue at all in this manner. But since we're here, we have to deal with it, and I do not want to be forced to save it. But yes, I think we should have some choice in the matter.
Fereldan likely wouldn't bother given their difficulties and rebuilding and Nevarra is to far to effectively manage it.
Pity you don't have any actual competition to Orlais anywhere near them eh?
I'd love to auction off Celene's throne
I suppose "Nevarra" or "Ferelden" as a whole need not be bothered, but I'm sure there are spiteful or ambitious nobles residing on the borderlands who could be approached.
The Dales having borders with the Frostback Mountains makes me wonder if an emancipated kingdom might have control over surface lyrium trade (which would depend on the location of the entrance to Orzammar, I suppose). Lyrium is the Thedas version of Spice...
That would likely lead to another swift destruction of the Dales.
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Three people count as a Klan now?
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Also there is that semi permanent Enclave outside of Antiva City supposedly...But for the most part i think the Dalish for the majority are likely how they have been portrayed, its not inaccurate to the lore given Isolationism goes hand in hand with being Dalish for the most part.
Based on what? The two clans we've actually gotten a chance to encounter?
I suppose "Nevarra" or "Ferelden" as a whole need not be bothered, but I'm sure there are spiteful or ambitious nobles residing on the borderlands who could be approached.
This is how i pictured that.
Inquisitor: I stole the Empress's hairbrush!
Mad Wizard from DAO: Give me that! So shiny and rare!
Inquisitor: ....
No, it's because the Dalish are varied and different, and some of us are hoping that the Dalish aren't simply antagonists. I'd like to see the elves - Dalish and Alienage inhabitants alike - be given their own perspectives.
Part of the appeal about the Dalish for me is their refusal to submit and surrender what makes them who they are, despite the trials and tribulations they face because of it; even Merrill, who cared about the elves of the Alienage and had no problem with non-elves (given her friendships with Varric and Isabela), was still Dalish. Even when Anders tried to convince her she was wrong, she refused to abandon her beliefs.
Being Dalish in Inquisition appeals to me. I'm hoping for an elven point of view in the storyline, as well as the agency to help the elves when it's possible. I'd certainly hate to be pigeonholed into helping one of the human factions vying for the throne of Orlais while the elves continue to suffer.
I never said being Isolationist makes them pricks. Hence my comparison to them and the Apache and Sioux indians. If I thought they were antagonistic jerks I would have compared them to the Crow or Comanche.
However, part of being Dalish is separating yourselves from Humans to regain your immortality correct? So there is something inherent in being Dalish that means they want to distance themselves and be left alone from other cultures they blame for losing their immortality. So that naturally lends itself to a standoff nature and in regards to non dalish a natural slant towards anti social behavior. I don't think they are antagonistic or evil or jerks, they are simply trying to protect their way of life and reverse the affects of the quickening. I am sorry it would make no sense to see dalish open their arms and be welcoming to non dalish they have never met.
Based on what? The two clans we've actually gotten a chance to encounter?
Yup.
Numeric majority, its how scientific laws are established.
No reason why it cannot act as informed and observed assumption either.
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If gaider insists that the dalish being isolationist jerks is simply wrong, maybe he ought to actually show that then.
Exactly, that's what I'm arguing.
I respectfully disagree. Also, Lanaya makes a very good Keeper, especially given her role in settling disputes between humans and elves, and being a respected presence at the royal court.
I meant zathrian but we will see how good keeper lanaya will be i know 2 things about her she is nice and naive in da world she won't last long. 
About her role it is in epilogue only so perhaps she will but i think she won't as epilogues are mostly rumors (that mostly as we were shown aren't true) and bio is rather lazy to involve that beyond cosmetic differences.And as i said first clan was mistrustful however you could gain ther trust when second clan was hostile and big jerkass toward hawke often insulting him most elves were hostile toward hawke in that clan...
Based on what? The two clans we've actually gotten a chance to encounter?
The lore. The dalish blame humans for losing their immortality. part of their culture is a quest to regain that immortality. Being buddy buddy or even friendly with the very species you blame for changing you from immortal to a lifespan of less than 100 years doesn't make sense, especially when your culture is built around the idea of regaining that immortality.
They aren't jerks or whatever, they just have a goal and human interaction doesn't line up with that goal. This isn't even taking into consideration what Tevinter and Orlais, deserved or otherwise, did to them as a people.
The lore. The dalish blame humans for losing their immortality. part of their culture is a quest to regain that immortality. Being buddy buddy or even friendly with the very species you blame for changing you from immortal to a lifespan of less than 100 years doesn't make sense, especially when your culture is built around the idea of regaining that immortality.
They aren't jerks or whatever, they just have a goal and human interaction doesn't line up with that goal. This isn't even taking into consideration what Tevinter and Orlais, deserved or otherwise, did to them as a people.
That too
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Yup.
Numeric majority, its how scientific laws are established.
No reason why it cannot act as informed and observed assumption either.
Hasty Generalization. Lumping all clans with the two you happen to have seen is a logical fallacy.
Edit: Numeric majority? As in there are only 2 to 3 Dalish clans in all of Thedas, the ones we've seen are the majority of how many there are, and their attitude represents all Dalish because they are the majority of Dalish that exist in Thedas?
I'm right now counting 3 dalish clans we've encountered as being jerks who enjoy isolating themselves from others and don't give a damn about anyone else, origins, 2's, and the ones from this book. Velanna's clan I would count on the count of all the murders she committed but one elf does not make a whole clan.
That's a 3 to .5 in terms of jerks vs decent folks. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I believe that either gaiders post was old, or that is just his personal opinion and he has a different definition of what a jerk is.
Zathrian's clan was only mildly suspicious of the PC and not jerky at all.
Hasty Generalization. Lumping all clans with the two you happen to have seen is a logical fallacy.
Really?
Given we don't how many Klans exist, How many they number and many other factors, we may have seen a good deal of them, What then? You can argue the fallacy trope all you like, It ultimately doesn't matter given that we don't have the numbers but we do that have the lore which matters a great deal more.
Add in that culture as wcholcombe exists in concert with them existing outside of Humanity, not alongside it and their interactions to date prove to be very telling.
Namely as long as they cling to the belief that they were once Immortal and Humanity cost them that, there can be no true permanent interaction between them and Humanity, at least not civilly.
The lore. The dalish blame humans for losing their immortality. part of their culture is a quest to regain that immortality. Being buddy buddy or even friendly with the very species you blame for changing you from immortal to a lifespan of less than 100 years doesn't make sense, especially when your culture is built around the idea of regaining that immortality.
They aren't jerks or whatever, they just have a goal and human interaction doesn't line up with that goal. This isn't even taking into consideration what Tevinter and Orlais, deserved or otherwise, did to them as a people.
And yet, Lanaya and Merrill have no problem interacting with non-elves, despite the fact that they believe in their history, adhere to their culture, and have faith in the Creators. I also doubt a treaty would have been signed by the Dalish if they were that staunchly against interaction with humans.
Zathrian's clan was only mildly suspicious of the PC and not jerky at all.
Their storyteller enjoyed drumming anti human propaganda into their heads, even in front of a possible Human ._.
That would count as rudeness i'd suspect.
And yet, Lanaya and Merrill have no problem interacting with non-elves, despite the fact that they believe in their history, adhere to their culture, and have faith in the Creators. I also doubt a treaty would have been signed by the Dalish if they were that staunchly against interaction with humans.
Given Darkspawn don't overly care about Race, Fighting to be rid of them isn't the same as fighting to preserve Humanity.
Zathrian's clan was only mildly suspicious of the PC and not jerky at all.
Their storyteller enjoyed drumming anti human propaganda into their heads, even in front of a possible Human ._.
That would count as rudeness i'd suspect.
One of the other elves also tells him to stop being a jerk. In any case, he's on edge due to his wife dying by werewolf.
Except the hunters, who try to kill you for doing a good job. And of course the lore keeper, whose a jerk to you if you're not dalish, even if you save the clan.
Yes, that's... what, three people?
Except the hunters, who try to kill you for doing a good job. And of course the lore keeper, whose a jerk to you if you're not dalish, even if you save the clan.
Sarel recently lost his wife to werewolves, and the Dalish who confront you with Panowen are asking about the werewolves who killed their loved ones.
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