That is really comforting actually. Hopefully when I read the book, I'll get a distinct impression of who I would choose should the opportunity arise in DAI.
I'll be honest, if we get to choose a side in DAI, I will be trying to get them to join forces, if that isn't an option I will probably go with Celene. I like Gaspard, but Orlais needs some of the reforms that Celene at least seems to be pushing, I don't think from what I read Gaspard is the reforming type.
I'll be honest, if we get to choose a side in DAI, I will be trying to get them to join forces, if that isn't an option I will probably go with Celene. I like Gaspard, but Orlais needs some of the reforms that Celene at least seems to be pushing, I don't think from what I read Gaspard is the reforming type.
He is the strong ruler it needs though, probably would be the strongest Emperor since Drakon, is reform better or worse when you need a warrior right here and now?
I think that may be the appeal of Gaspard no?
We don't know much of Orlais' rulers to say he might be the strongest they had since Drakon.He is the strong ruler it needs though, probably would be the strongest Emperor since Drakon, is reform better or worse when you need a warrior right here and now?
I think that may be the appeal of Gaspard no?
He is the strong ruler it needs though, probably would be the strongest Emperor since Drakon, is reform better or worse when you need a warrior right here and now?
I think that may be the appeal of Gaspard no?
Hey, I said I like Gaspard, as far as needing a warrior-He can more than fill that role as Grand Duke.
That is really comforting actually. Hopefully when I read the book, I'll get a distinct impression of who I would choose should the opportunity arise in DAI.
Yeah, it was for me, too, but it also shows how the Game can be unrelenting for everyone.
I think Inquisition will shed some light on the current climate of the civil war, so their political allegiances to certain parties may have shifted in the wake of the Mage-Templar War and the veil tears.
We don't know much of Orlais' rulers to say he might be the strongest they had since Drakon.
And you don't necessarily need a warrior as a king to face war/crysis. You have generals for that.
Florian was an overall weak Emperor, Drakon's immediate son whom assumed the Throne was a weak Emperor, Celene was a weak Empress.
There three weak rulers of Orlais since its inception! 
I'm just saying there is something of merit in a man who prides honor and personal strength over intrigue and the grand game, he strikes me as some one who would drag Orlais into the modern world with out the grand game, Not to mention if he actually succeeds in uniting the Nation behind that notion, something Drakon failed to do, he would be by far the most powerful Emperor in their history.
And you don't think having a Leader versed in military tactics helps? Calian was evident of that not being needed for a ruler but evidently it helps...
Hey, I said I like Gaspard, as far as needing a warrior-He can more than fill that role as Grand Duke.
And he can be the warrior reformer Orlais need to end this backbiting infighting that is perverting the Empire.
You know...As Emperor.
Celene doesn't mean weak to me. And we're taking of three rulers out of dozens.Florian was an overall weak Emperor, Drakon's immediate son whom assumed the Throne was a weak Emperor, Celene was a weak Empress.
There three weak rulers of Orlais since its inception!
I'm just saying there is something of merit in a man who prides honor and personal strength over intrigue and the grand game, he strikes me as some one who would drag Orlais into the modern world with out the grand game, Not to mention if he actually succeeds in uniting the Nation behind that notion, something Drakon failed to do, he would be by far the most powerful Emperor in their history.
And you don't think having a Leader versed in military tactics helps? Calian was evident of that not being needed for a ruler but evidently it helps...
Talking about the Orlais civil war in the topic about the Dales province?
And he can be the warrior reformer Orlais need to end this backbiting infighting that is perverting the Empire.
You know...As Emperor.
Your problem there is he isn't a reformer. He loves the game and plays at it far more more than Celene. He isn't overcome with honor either as he engages in numerous low ideal intrigues and plots in the first 5 chapters.
BTW, stop confusing concensis building and avoiding bloodshed with being weak. You make the same mistake with Justina.
I thought his entire premise at revolt was removal of the grand game? Then again that's a pre book notion that was hinted at us via the Devs, i suppose i will wait until i read the book before giving him a final pre game rendering on ideology and judgement, but thus far i am fairly convinced the character while not necessarily a self righteously honorable snob he is in fact a patriot.
An Empire need not be ruled via consensus and, blood shed can be a viable method of achieving a goal, and Justinia is weak for a myriad of factors, not merely because she is soft on magic.
As i said though i'l see about the character in the book though, we may see notions change or perhaps not, we shall see.
I never said Gaspard wasn't likeable or good in his ways, just that he isn't the reformist if you are wanting to modernize orlais and remove the game.
And I am sorry, but reforming the chantry, circles, and eventually the templars doesn't show strength I don't know what to tell you.
So the notion of him removing the game was false? Pity then, oh well i'm certain we will find merits to both potential rulers.
._. She lost all three because of her incompetence, that ain't strength.
So the notion of him removing the game was false? Pity then, oh well i'm certain we will find merits to both potential rulers.
._. She lost all three because of her incompetence, that ain't strength.
She ain't done yet
True, she can still lose the love of the masses.
She ain't done yet
She will be when i shove a sword through her gullet.
Celene doesn't mean weak to me. And we're taking of three rulers out of dozens.
A ruler should be first good at ruling. I don't mean that Gaspard won't be able so, but we dot know if he'll be better than Celene, or that he'll be a good one. Furthermore, he seems to me conservative enough to not change or destroy the Game.
Cailan's main problem wasn't that he didn't know nothing of military tactics, but that he was stubborn in not listening to Loghain.
My point wasn't that being a warrior/military expert might not help, but that if a ruler is capable enough and has capable generals, he doesn't necessarily need to be a warrior (that doesn't mean he should be completely inept in warfare, which we don't know if Celene is).
I'll respond to your successive posts in the morning, since it's late there.
Another one of Cailan's problems was he was enamored with the Grey Warden legend and his mind was filled with thoughts of glorious moments, standing side-by-side with Duncan and the others, and never once stopped to think of the risks or the possibility of failing.
But he WAS aware enough of the danger to send Alistair to what was supposed to be the safest part of the battle, and give the key to his chest to a trusted soldier.
Celene seems like more of a progressive leader. She was planning on allying with Ferelden through marriage rather than attempting to reoccupy, and based off of the Masked Empire preview it seems like she favors a meritocratic approach to things like education by patronizing an elven scholar. She seems a little reminiscent of Elizabeth I.
Gaspard seems more like a traditionalist. He's fought in a number of battles for the good of the empire, but the Elven and Mage-Templar Rebellions do pose a major threat to its continued existence, and sometimes diplomacy does fail. I kind of get the impression that an Orlais under Gaspard would be more of an attempt to return to the "glory days" of the Empire not necessarily a bad thing but it could lead to stagnation.
Celene seems like more of a progressive leader. She was planning on allying with Ferelden through marriage rather than attempting to reoccupy, and based off of the Masked Empire preview it seems like she favors a meritocratic approach to things like education by patronizing an elven scholar. She seems a little reminiscent of Elizabeth I.
Gaspard seems more like a traditionalist. He's fought in a number of battles for the good of the empire, but the Elven and Mage-Templar Rebellions do pose a major threat to its continued existence, and sometimes diplomacy does fail. I kind of get the impression that an Orlais under Gaspard would be more of an attempt to return to the "glory days" of the Empire not necessarily a bad thing but it could lead to stagnation.
You mean the 'glory days' of expansionism and conquering everyone else to spread the Chant, right?
Well according to return to Ostagar Calain knew he wouldn't survive even without Loghains betrayal.Another one of Cailan's problems was he was enamored with the Grey Warden legend and his mind was filled with thoughts of glorious moments, standing side-by-side with Duncan and the others, and never once stopped to think of the risks or the possibility of failing.
But he WAS aware enough of the danger to send Alistair to what was supposed to be the safest part of the battle, and give the key to his chest to a trusted soldier.
You mean the 'glory days' of expansionism and conquering everyone else to spread the Chant, right?
More like to fill up the coffers of the nobles. Orlais did not invade Ferelden (or Nevarra after the 3rd Blight) to spreed the chant...
More like to fill up the coffers of the nobles. Orlais did not invade Ferelden (or Nevarra after the 3rd Blight) to spreed the chant...
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More like to fill up the coffers of the nobles. Orlais did not invade Ferelden (or Nevarra after the 3rd Blight) to spreed the chant...
Who's to say the two goals are mutually exclusive?
The priests and worshipers want to spread the Chant, and the nobles want more land and goods. Spreading out to neighboring peoples and nations to conquer and convert works for both the priests and nobles. Spread the Chant, fill the coffers. Besides, the priests then become prettier and richer from the new wealth obtained from neighboring peoples (which I'm sure they tell themselves goes toward a good cause) and the more devout nobles feel good about spreading the Chant (since it's what they tell themselves the Maker wants).
It can be kind of insidious symbiosis, when you think about it.
Well according to return to Ostagar Calain knew he wouldn't survive even without Loghains betrayal.
Which ultimately makes his decision to be on the front lines even more stupid. Since he is, after all, the King.
I think I clear up the issue of "wait where did you read that? I can't find it"
When the book preview was posted, it first included a few scenes and huge jump to page 300 something. The preview on amazon was taken aware a few short hours later. It now only includes about a short scene of celene at the university.
They took the preview away
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