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[Inprea]

Hmm, I wonder how both sides in the Dales would react to a dwarven or a qunari Inquisitor butting in and saying 'since you guys can't get your act together, I'll get it together for you. Now sit down children and I'll decide who gets what land."

Depends on how big of a stick the Inquisitor is carrying. That and how they say it. "I understand that you're upset and I want to help you. So let's all set down and I will help you come to a conclusion." Said while your soldiers take up positions that make it clear that this will end how you want it to seems like a more polite way of making your statement.

[LobselVith8]

Hmm, I wonder how both sides in the Dales would react to a dwarven or a qunari Inquisitor butting in and saying 'since you guys can't get your act together, I'll get it together for you. Now sit down children and I'll decide who gets what land."

I think some would be reluctant to give up their chance to see their people truly free. If the Inquisitor wants to help their cause, however, I'm sure the Elvhen will gladly accept help from the Durgen’len.

[BlueMagitek]

Hmm, I wonder how both sides in the Dales would react to a dwarven or a qunari Inquisitor butting in and saying 'since you guys can't get your act together, I'll get it together for you. Now sit down children and I'll decide who gets what land."

 

Depends on the dwarf.

 

Elf: Wait, you're just giving us a bunch of mines and entrances to the Deep Roads while the humans get the fields and coastlines.

Dwarf: I though that I'd give you all a good starting position.
Elf: ...what?

Dwarf: You'll finally be able to get down underground like you belong, right and proper.  I've nearly killed myself holding onto this ground, trying to avoid falling into the sky.  See, you already have good stonework to utilize, the humans are going to need to build some themselves.  Welp, Stone be with you, I'm off to deal with that giant rip in the sky.  I always told those humans, sky isn't good for 'em, now look and see, giant demons from beyond the Stone's reach just pouring out. 

[Xilizhra]

Depends on the dwarf.

 

Elf: Wait, you're just giving us a bunch of mines and entrances to the Deep Roads while the humans get the fields and coastlines.

Dwarf: I though that I'd give you all a good starting position.
Elf: ...what?

Dwarf: You'll finally be able to get down underground like you belong, right and proper.  I've nearly killed myself holding onto this ground, trying to avoid falling into the sky.  See, you already have good stonework to utilize, the humans are going to need to build some themselves.  Welp, Stone be with you, I'm off to deal with that giant rip in the sky.  I always told those humans, sky isn't good for 'em, now look and see, giant demons from beyond the Stone's reach just pouring out. 

Wait, don't the dwarves have darkspawn coming up from underground? That hardly seems healthier.

[BlueMagitek]

Wait, don't the dwarves have darkspawn coming up from underground? That hardly seems healthier.

It is the pride of any dwarf to take on Hidden Fun Stuff.

[dragonflight288]

Wait, don't the dwarves have darkspawn coming up from underground? That hardly seems healthier.

 

If the humans in the Chantry are to believed, the darkspawn originally fell from the sky anyway.

[Mistic]

Dwarf: You'll finally be able to get down underground like you belong, right and proper.  I've nearly killed myself holding onto this ground, trying to avoid falling into the sky.  See, you already have good stonework to utilize, the humans are going to need to build some themselves.  Welp, Stone be with you, I'm off to deal with that giant rip in the sky.  I always told those humans, sky isn't good for 'em, now look and see, giant demons from beyond the Stone's reach just pouring out. 

 

That actually makes a lot of sense But if the elves stay too long underground, they will become dark elves! That's not good news.

 

Nice Inquisitor. However, I fear the option of wiping out another Dalish Clan. It's become a tradition of sorts.

[dragonflight288]

Depends on the dwarf.

 

Elf: Wait, you're just giving us a bunch of mines and entrances to the Deep Roads while the humans get the fields and coastlines.

Dwarf: I though that I'd give you all a good starting position.
Elf: ...what?

Dwarf: You'll finally be able to get down underground like you belong, right and proper.  I've nearly killed myself holding onto this ground, trying to avoid falling into the sky.  See, you already have good stonework to utilize, the humans are going to need to build some themselves.  Welp, Stone be with you, I'm off to deal with that giant rip in the sky.  I always told those humans, sky isn't good for 'em, now look and see, giant demons from beyond the Stone's reach just pouring out. 

 

HA! I can totally see me doing this as a dwarven inquisitor if I was given the option. 

[Bad King]

It would suck for those that want to play an Elf because the Elven Inquisitor is required to be Dalish.

 

I would also hate to see another Merrill situation where one Dalish character is "good" because s/he's "not like other Dalish!"

 

It's getting OLD seeing Dalish as mostly or all antagonistic and intolerant when humans, dwarves, city elves, and even non-Qunari grey giants have been shown to have varying degrees of kindness, tolerance, acceptance of strangers, etc. Why are Dalish constantly portrayed as mostly intolerant bigots, extreme isolationists, and/or unpleasant all across the board.

 

I think you're stereotyping them a little. In DA:O I found most of the Dalish to be pretty agreeable. There were a few rude ones, but they were usually the ones who had been traumatised by the werewolf attack (like the story teller whose wife had been murdered). That being said, I have barely played DA2 (which I find distasteful) and so perhaps you are referring to the Dalish in that game.

[BlueMagitek]

That actually makes a lot of sense But if the elves stay too long underground, they will become dark elves! That's not good news.

 

Nice Inquisitor. However, I fear the option of wiping out another Dalish Clan. It's become a tradition of sorts.

That only happens, like, twenty percent of the time.  And there's no Lloth or Slaneesh to turn 'em this time.*

 

*Unless one of the above happens to be one of the Creators. **

 

**Which would be bad. ***

 

*** 'cause, you know, horrific deities and whatnot.

 

HA! I can totally see me doing this as a dwarven inquisitor if I was given the option. 

 

Unfortunately I very much doubt that Bioware is going to go into too deep a traditionalist dwarf for choices/roleplay.  Otherwise it would be fantastic.  Especially with the dwarves being a caste system (stricter than the Qunari castes, which are based on merit rather than birth).

[dragonflight288]

 

Unfortunately I very much doubt that Bioware is going to go into too deep a traditionalist dwarf for choices/roleplay.  Otherwise it would be fantastic.  Especially with the dwarves being a caste system (stricter than the Qunari castes, which are based on merit rather than birth).

 

....I'm now inspired to start a Dwarf thread in a similar vein to this one, just so we can have fun with it. 

[BlueMagitek]

....I'm now inspired to start a Dwarf thread in a similar vein to this one, just so we can have fun with it. 

 

Careful, it would probably get offensive pretty quickly. 

 

Traditionalist Dwarf:  So, you surfacers have casteless too?

Party Member A:  What?  Of course not, while we have social classes, it's possible to move between them.

TD: So... those humans and elves with the dumb hats weren't casteless then?

PMA : Are you talking about the Circle Mages?  They used to be under the directive of the Chantry, and were a protected class.  Currently they've broken away from them.  They certainly aren't casteless.

TD: ...well, this is awkward. 

 

*Scene cuts to a hut full of nugs being taken care of by a group of mages, many with injured shins*

-

TD: Well what about those elves living in the city?  They're casteless right?

PMA: They don't have it quite as badly, but... well, yeah,they're pretty much on the same social level.

TD: By my beard, I knew we'd find something culturally similar to bond over!

[dragonflight288]

Careful, it would probably get offensive pretty quickly. 

 

Traditionalist Dwarf:  So, you surfacers have casteless too?

Party Member A:  What?  Of course not, while we have social classes, it's possible to move between them.

TD: So... those humans and elves with the dumb hats weren't casteless then?

PMA : Are you talking about the Circle Mages?  They used to be under the directive of the Chantry, and were a protected class.  Currently they've broken away from them.  They certainly aren't casteless.

TD: ...well, this is awkward. 

 

*Scene cuts to a hut full of nugs being taken care of by a group of mages, many with injured shins*

-

TD: Well what about those elves living in the city?  They're casteless right?

PMA: They don't have it quite as badly, but... well, yeah,they're pretty much on the same social level.

TD: By my beard, I knew we'd find something culturally similar to bond over!

 

lol. by that logic, the dwarf may start to think of every elf as casteless. 

 

Of course, my dwarven Warden was shocked with Jory.

 

Jory: My father was the castle blacksmith, and I knew dwarves through him.

 

Thorin: So...you're a blacksmith?

 

Jory: No, I'm a knight in the service of Redcliff.

 

Thorin: But...your father was a blacksmith?

 

Jory: Yes, you point?

 

Thorin: Aren't you in the smithing caste then?

 

Jory: We don't have castes.

 

Thorin: O.O You surfacers are inept. This is a backwards society. 

[BlueMagitek]

lol. by that logic, the dwarf may start to think of every elf as casteless. 

 

Of course, my dwarven Warden was shocked with Jory.

 

Jory: My father was the castle blacksmith, and I knew dwarves through him.

 

Thorin: So...you're a blacksmith?

 

Jory: No, I'm a knight in the service of Redcliff.

 

Thorin: But...your father was a blacksmith?

 

Jory: Yes, you point?

 

Thorin: Aren't you in the smithing caste then?

 

Jory: We don't have castes.

 

Thorin: O.O You surfacers are inept. This is a backwards society. 

 

 

Clearly what happens to Jory is an example of what happens when you go outside of your caste; Thorin is quite wise indeed.  </Traditionalist Dwarf>

 

While we're on the subject of dwarves; if you kept the Anvil, you should totally be able to diversify your golems.  Sure, casteless golems are pretty good, but we don't have a limitless supply of them.  Sort out the issue on the surface in return for golem recruits! 

[MisterJB]

Will elves do?

[cjones91]

The Dales may have a higher population of elves but I don't think they have any power whatsoever.

[renfrees]

The Dales may have a higher population of elves but I don't think they have any power whatsoever.

Pfft, not like elves anywhere have any power.

[BlueMagitek]

Will elves do?

Sure, those could be the "magic" golems like the one in Amgarrak.

[Annihilator27]

I would like to see more of the Dalish in this game.

[Mistic]

The Dales may have a higher population of elves but I don't think they have any power whatsoever.

 

True. But it's not the same having an elven minority trying to kick out the larger human population "because this land belonged to the elves centuries ago" than a large majority of elves trying to kick out their very few human overlords. It makes independence of the Dales more palatable for some.

[Master Warder Z]

@ Mistcan

 

Bloody Quotes aren't working...

 

Anyway; My point is this, Minority or no those humans have likely been within the province for the majority of their lives, the Dales were taken as a province more then five centuries before DAI after all, Generation after generation have lived, worked and died there, Human and elf alike.

 

Its no less Human land then it is Elven by this point.

[wcholcombe]

@ Mistcan

 

Bloody Quotes aren't working...

 

Anyway; My point is this, Minority or no those humans have likely been within the province for the majority of their lives, the Dales were taken as a province more then five centuries before DAI after all, Generation after generation have lived, worked and died there, Human and elf alike.

 

Its no less Human land then it is Elven by this point.

I have in the past compared the Dales to the nation of Israel.  Actually accurate but from the wrong direction.  If you agree politically with the idea of Israel, than establishing the Dales as an independent nation makes sense.

 

The other comparison that I now think fits much more would be Ireland.  If you think all English/Scottish/non-catholics should be sent to England/Scottland and get the heck out of the area some of them have been living in as a family for centuries, then that would be comparable to the Dales idea.

 

Of course in the end none of those two really fit because there isn't any country in a political/power situation to be demanding this type of action without warfare, so therefore, if the elves can conquer/retake the Dales, let them. Thedas is built on taking and holding what you can.  I still feel they would be better served by coming to a political agreement with Orlais regarding an elven state, especially for the CEs.

[LobselVith8]

@ Mistcan

 

Bloody Quotes aren't working...

 

Anyway; My point is this, Minority or no those humans have likely been within the province for the majority of their lives, the Dales were taken as a province more then five centuries before DAI after all, Generation after generation have lived, worked and died there, Human and elf alike.

 

Its no less Human land then it is Elven by this point.

 

While elves have to suffer from racial persecution, intolerance towards their indigenous faith, acts of violence, and purges that can eliminate countless men, women, and children. Having a homeland where they can be free is the entire point of why some people are interested in helping the elven rebellion give the Elvhen a place where they can be their own masters. To some of us, the status quo that's been imposed on the elves is simply unacceptable.

[EmissaryofLies]

Curious, exactly why do some of you dislike elves so much? Serious question, no ulterior motives or flamebaiting.

[wcholcombe]

Curious, exactly why do some of you dislike elves so much? Serious question, no ulterior motives or flamebaiting.

Some dislike elves.  For most I imagine it is carrying over their impressions of them from the game into these discussions.

 

The same reason any of us dislike other groups in the games.  City Elves and Dalish may be a minority, but it isn't like they are perfect. They aren't Elrond and they don't live in Rivendell.  The Dalish have an antagonistic point of view and are extremely standoffish, but that is a character trait that fits with their culture and makes them real.  The city Elves while tragic also have the annoying poor me and my lot in life victim aspect.  It rubs some the wrong way just as the Orlesians or Chantry or Tevinters or Qunari or Dwarves rub people the wrong way.

 

The issue is actually more about the fact that people tend to pick a group as their favored perfect race and defend it blindly while attacking others.

For some it is the sad tale of the fall of the elves, for others it is the expansionist humans, for others it is the decline of the socially stratified dwarvish society, and others again think Tevinter or the Qunari offer that perfect society.

 

In the end we all have warts, its whether we choose to acknowledge the warts of our chosen favorites or not that leads to thinking people dislike a group.

 

And again, some of us-TKS, Xil, MWZ, Lob etc just have groups that we can't stand that are usually, but not always built upon what we think of that group through the lens of our favored group.

 

If I had to guess:

TKS- is pro Templar to the detrement of all else- including the chantry.

Xil-is a composite elf and mage, though I think if for some reason she had to choose between elves and mages she would let the elves burn.

MWZ-is a pro human who I think just like tweaking lobs ears on the elvish dislike.

Lob-Very pro elf and while he does take a pro mage stance in that discussion, I believe he is the reverse of Xil.

 

Sorry if I am wrong on any of these suppositions my friends, just thought it might be a better way to illustrate my point in answering EOL's question.