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[LobselVith8]

I'd say the International presidence it would set would be far more concerning to them then the loss of the province it self, what does it say when Orlais is so consumed and divided that it can allow a province to rebel? Little lone under the leadership of elves. Empire's can't sustain themselves when their international reputation is so stained.

 

If an impending apocalypse wasn't sufficient enough for Ferelden to halt it's civil war until The Warden intervened, I'm not so sure that the civil war in Orlais will automatically end if the elves secede control of the Dales from the Orlesian Empire. The infighting between so many different groups all over Thedas is why the Inquisition is needed.

[wcholcombe]

If an impending apocalypse wasn't sufficient enough for Ferelden to halt it's civil war until The Warden intervened, I'm not so sure that the civil war in Orlais will automatically end if the elves secede control of the Dales from the Orlesian Empire. The infighting between so many different groups all over Thedas is why the Inquisition is needed.

Oh you were referring to Ferelden, I thought you were saying in Orlais.  But see that is a bit different there, Gaspard v. Celene isn't on nearly the same level as Teagan/Eamon vs. Lohgain.  Sure they have the family history of killing each others family members, but it is an entirely different framework then the Ferelden Civil War.

[WardenWade]

It says killing a human in defense of an elf is a crime.  It doesn't say a human killing a human, it says flat out killing a human in defense of an elf is a crime.

 

If it helps at all, the original source for this law is, I believe, the Blood in Ferelden expansion to the Dragon Age tabletop series.  The tabletop books have been acknowledged as canon, and it may give some extra context if it is helpful..?

[Mistic]

Oh you were referring to Ferelden, I thought you were saying in Orlais.  But see that is a bit different there, Gaspard v. Celene isn't on nearly the same level as Teagan/Eamon vs. Lohgain.  Sure they have the family history of killing each others family members, but it is an entirely different framework then the Ferelden Civil War.

 

I don't know. There are more reasons to prolongue a stupid war when the world is ending. Maybe blind hate doesn't drive Celene and Gaspard, but hubris is strong in those two. So the elves might still have a chance.

 

Of course, that's during the war. Keeping what you have got after the war, that's the real challenge. No wonder the Inquisition is going to take lands and castles in the game. It will be the only way not to be forced out of their position after the crisis.

[dragonflight288]

If an impending apocalypse wasn't sufficient enough for Ferelden to halt it's civil war until The Warden intervened, I'm not so sure that the civil war in Orlais will automatically end if the elves secede control of the Dales from the Orlesian Empire. The infighting between so many different groups all over Thedas is why the Inquisition is needed.

 

It may not even end if there's a demonic invasion. 

 

I mean, technically that wouldn't be any different than a darkspawn horde rampaging through the country. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know. There are more reasons to prolongue a stupid war when the world is ending. Maybe blind hate doesn't drive Celene and Gaspard, but hubris is strong in those two. So the elves might still have a chance.

 

Of course, that's during the war. Keeping what you have got after the war, that's the real challenge. No wonder the Inquisition is going to take lands and castles in the game. It will be the only way not to be forced out of their position after the crisis.

 

Assuming the Inquisition survives the aftermath of the Veil Crisis.

 

Wouldn't be overly surprised if it was declared an illegal organization by various Monarchies and then the majority of it disbanded or killed.

 

Happened a lot to Mercenary Armies and Knightly Orders that got too big, too rich and too powerful.

[wcholcombe]

I don't know. There are more reasons to prolongue a stupid war when the world is ending. Maybe blind hate doesn't drive Celene and Gaspard, but hubris is strong in those two. So the elves might still have a chance.

 

Of course, that's during the war. Keeping what you have got after the war, that's the real challenge. No wonder the Inquisition is going to take lands and castles in the game. It will be the only way not to be forced out of their position after the crisis.

That is entirely true, except for the fact that both Celene and Gaspard operate on a true doing what is best for Orlais attitude.  The elven/dalish uprising represents the same thing as what Gaspard was wanting with a war with Ferelden, and Celene isn't about to go down in history as the empress who let the dalish/elves declare their independence.  Giving them their freedom would be one thing, having them take it away from you is something else entirely.

[Master Warder Z_]

That is entirely true, except for the fact that both Celene and Gaspard operate on a true doing what is best for Orlais attitude.  The elven/dalish uprising represents the same thing as what Gaspard was wanting with a war with Ferelden, and Celene isn't about to go down in history as the empress who let the dalish/elves declare their independence.  Giving them their freedom would be one thing, having them take it away from you is something else entirely.

 

Both of them are Patriots, Ego and power blind morons, but Patriots.

[EmissaryofLies]

Assuming the Inquisition survives the aftermath of the Veil Crisis.

 

Wouldn't be overly surprised if it was declared an illegal organization by various Monarchies and then the majority of it disbanded or killed.

 

Happened a lot to Mercenary Armies and Knightly Orders that got too big, too rich and too powerful.

 

Strange way to pay back the organization responsible for fixing a world ending mess. 

 

Not to say that it isn't an expected reaction in due time; gratitude should buy it some leeway though. 

[Mistic]

Assuming the Inquisition survives the aftermath of the Veil Crisis.

 

Wouldn't be overly surprised if it was declared an illegal organization by various Monarchies and then the majority of it disbanded or killed.

 

Happened a lot to Mercenary Armies and Knightly Orders that got too big, too rich and too powerful.

 

True. My personal opinion is that DA:I will be the birth of a new international organization like the Wardens, the new Inquisition, but I may be wrong. Still, the Grey Wardens are a good precedent for that situation in Thedas.
 

[mousestalker]

The Dales are alive,
With the thrum of magic
With spells they have cast
For a thousand years

The Dales fill my heart,
With the thrum of magic
My heart wants to cast
Every spell it knows

My heart wants to beat
Like the buzz of the bees
That rise from the leaves of the trees

My heart wants to sigh
Like a howl that flies
From a wolf on a breeze

To laugh like a brook
When it trips and falls
Over stones on its way
To sing through the night
Like a lark
Who is learning to pray

I go to the Dales
When my heart is lonely
I know I will hear
What I've heard before
My heart will be blessed,
With the thrum of magic
And I'll cast once more.

{with apologies to Messrs Rodgers and Hammerstein}

[LobselVith8]

It may not even end if there's a demonic invasion. 

 

I mean, technically that wouldn't be any different than a darkspawn horde rampaging through the country. 

 

Possibly. I think it will likely take a victory from one side against the other to bring an end to the Orlesian civil war. Of course, the player will likely play some sort of role in the outcome. If the fate of Crestwood is any indication, the player may be able to decide how things fare for Orlesian settlements,  whether it's saving them, or leaving them to perish because the player is faced with a choice between two or more alternatives. I know at PAX, it was said the player will "make tough, personal decisions," including how the player leads "the Inquisition, a powerful organization that's the deciding factor in the balance between the mages and the templars, in the fate of nations (leading to a geographical picture showing Orlais and the Dales predominantly), and these decisions will strengthen you and your Inquisition in different ways."

[Mistic]

I know at PAX, it was said the player will "make tough, personal decisions," including how the player leads "the Inquisition, a powerful organization that's the deciding factor in the balance between the mages and the templars, in the fate of nations (leading to a geographical picture showing Orlais and the Dales predominantly), and these decisions will strengthen you and your Inquisition in different ways."

 

Well, yeah, but the same could be applied to DA:O:

 

"A deciding factor between mages and templars" > Purge the tower or save the mages?

"The fate of nations" > Who will be king of Orzammar? Who will be the ruler of Ferelden?

"Though, personal decisions" > Would you like to have an old god baby with Morrigan?

 

Ok, I admit it, it was a very gross oversimplification, but it's true that the only thing that happened in every playthrough was that the Wardens stopped the Fifth Blight in record time and then rebuilt the order in Ferelden. The rest didn't matter very much in the end, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Master Warder Z_]

Strange way to pay back the organization responsible for fixing a world ending mess. 

 

Not to say that it isn't an expected reaction in due time; gratitude should buy it some leeway though. 

 

Of course, it will be granted as much time as it takes for the various Monarchies to rebuild their armies in case they need to force the issue, which they likely would.

 

 

True. My personal opinion is that DA:I will be the birth of a new international organization like the Wardens, the new Inquisition, but I may be wrong. Still, the Grey Wardens are a good precedent for that situation in Thedas.
 

 

We will see, i am not holding my breath though for a multinational institution to survive its usefulness however.

 

I've already explained how if my Inquisition survived the crisis it would become a balancing and moderating third party power in Thedas, but i doubt we will be given much chance to effect future installments, I'd say its safe to assume the Inquisition will not be much of a factor if at all in future titles.

[Mistic]

We will see, i am not holding my breath though for a multinational institution to survive its usefulness however.

 

I've already explained how if my Inquisition survived the crisis it would become a balancing and moderating third party power in Thedas, but i doubt we will be given much chance to effect future installments, I'd say its safe to assume the Inquisition will not be much of a factor if at all in future titles.

 

Agreed. That's why I suggested that the Inquisition could take the Seekers' place as an independent faction of watchers. Their job would never end (I mean, even in DA:O we spent more time fighting magical menaces than darkspawn). Since so far we've only seen very few of the Seekers in two whole games, it wouldn't be strange for a successor organization not to be seen often in future installments.

 

But it's just an idea. Still, it wouldn't be the "We solve every problem in the world!" organization many people are wishing for.