"if you and Gaspard slew each other, and the war killed every human in Orlais, and burned every alinage to the ground... then we would be willing to return to the Dales".
Boy, those elves aren't very nice.
Or at least, that particular clan isn't nice.
And I doubt anyone saved it...
I still have it open in my window.
"if you and Gaspard slew each other, and the war killed every human in Orlais, and burned every alinage to the ground... then we would be willing to return to the Dales".
Boy, those elves aren't very nice.
Yeah, but unlike the elves, if the dwarves lose it will adversely affect all the other races. Nothing will stop the darkspawn from coming up, no one would be able to mine the raw lyrium ore since none of the surface races have any resistance to unprocessed lyrium, which in turn will adversely affect mages and templars, which in turn will affect global politics, if they aren't too busy killing each other to save the darkspawn the trouble.
The dwarves noble caste may be delusional, but the dwarves as a whole are the only thing keeping the surface from suffering from any number of nightmares. Directly in the case of darkspawn, and indirectly in the case of lyrium being supplied to templars and mages.
The surface pays the bills, but the dwarves keep the surface relatively peaceful. So to speak.
And while they act as they Vanguard they survive because the surface is there, their nobles aren't the only one benefiting after all, Wood products, paper, silk and most other non nug based cloth comes from the surface. Its a mutually beneficial arrangement though. No disagreement from me, Although i have been of the mind that the Human kingdoms need to unite for a brief period and just surge the Deep roads in the aftermath of a Blight, one final push so to speak, Obliterate their outer lines, give the Dwarves and surface a few more Years with out their taint.
Force them back, Maybe recapture a few old settlements, And also i think that could be overcome through magic, if you can create a dog capable of understanding and carrying out complex orders, why can you not recreate the dwarven resistance to lyrium and magic? That's a line of research i want studied 
Or at least, that particular clan isn't nice.
Hence why I said "those elves".
I doubt every clan is going to take the stance "Humans have polluted Thedas too much for us to live in it". For the sake of practicality, if nothing else.
Yeah, but unlike the elves, if the dwarves lose it will adversely affect all the other races. Nothing will stop the darkspawn from coming up, no one would be able to mine the raw lyrium ore since none of the surface races have any resistance to unprocessed lyrium, which in turn will adversely affect mages and templars, which in turn will affect global politics, if they aren't too busy killing each other to save the darkspawn the trouble.
The dwarves noble caste may be delusional, but the dwarves as a whole are the only thing keeping the surface from suffering from any number of nightmares. Directly in the case of darkspawn, and indirectly in the case of lyrium being supplied to templars and mages.
The surface pays the bills, but the dwarves keep the surface relatively peaceful. So to speak.
I've, uh, never quite seen why that would be the case.
There are, to our knowledge, two Dwarven kingdoms left. One in western Ferelden, one... somewhere very far away. Don't remember the location, but the analogy was New York and San Francisco. Clearly both are heavily isolated and under seige from a veritable sea of Darkspawn.
But... how do the dwarves keep the Darkspawn from coming through the various passages and Deep Road entrances across the continent? Or from digging new entrances? Or, well, what they do during just about every Blight?
It's not like the Darkspawn need to go through the Dwarves to hit the surface: if they did, there wouldn't really be Blights in the first place. The Dwarves are fighting to keep the Darkspawn at bay, but that doesn't really mean the Darkspawn are focused on them in return.
"if you and Gaspard slew each other, and the war killed every human in Orlais, and burned every alinage to the ground... then we would be willing to return to the Dales".
Boy, those elves aren't very nice.
What a bunch of cunts.
It's not like the Darkspawn need to go through the Dwarves to hit the surface: if they did, there wouldn't really be Blights in the first place. The Dwarves are fighting to keep the Darkspawn at bay, but that doesn't really mean the Darkspawn are focused on them in return.
Shush!
We need the Dwarves to mine Lyrium, i'l tolerate their inaccuracy and ego for it!
I've, uh, never quite seen why that would be the case.
There are, to our knowledge, two Dwarven kingdoms left. One in western Ferelden, one... somewhere very far away. Don't remember the location, but the analogy was New York and San Francisco. Clearly both are heavily isolated and under seige from a veritable sea of Darkspawn.
But... how do the dwarves keep the Darkspawn from coming through the various passages and Deep Road entrances across the continent? Or from digging new entrances? Or, well, what they do during just about every Blight?
It's not like the Darkspawn need to go through the Dwarves to hit the surface: if they did, there wouldn't really be Blights in the first place. The Dwarves are fighting to keep the Darkspawn at bay, but that doesn't really mean the Darkspawn are focused on them in return.
The first blight clearly showed the darkspwan were very focused on the dwarves. Over a matter of decades cost the dwarves almost all of their empire.
But after that, well the darkspawn are clearly following the song of the old gods, and when she was awakened, the loss of that song is what drove the Mother mad, along with her disciples. Duncan says to a Warden who hasn't been recruited yet that Darkspawn still sometimes make to the surface in small raiding parties. The Anderfells also seem to suffer a huge darkspawn problem according to all sources.
Also, according to all sources, when it isn't a blight the darkspawn are constantly advancing and are regularly at the gates of Orzammar itself. Heck, even Felsi at Lake Calanhad is completely calm when asked if she's worried about a potential darkspawn attack. She says that "I'm from Orzammar, a darkspawn attack is like a spring breeze." Or something like that.
Heck, my Aeducan Warden told Duncan that it was about time the Darkspawn left the gates of Orzammar to bother the surface for a change so they (the dwarves) get some room to breathe.
If the dwarves are wiped out, maybe the darkspawn wouldn't flood the surface, but the fact that they are always advancing except when an archdemon is leading them makes me think that they would keep pressing the only they can. Up to the surface. Or follow the song to find an archdemon. One of the two. Darkspawn as a rule aren't organized or great strategists, but are a horde, so you can't guess at motivations beyond base instinct.
Besides, even if the dwarves are wiped out and the darkspawn don't attack the surface, it would only be a matter of time when templars would cease to exist as there wouldn't be any lyrium to give them and make them resistant to magic or give them templar powers to negate magic. Nor would mages have the lyrium to do a Harrowing, enhance their powers, or do any magical rituals. The mages, unlike templars, can replace lyrium with blood magic, however, but that's something no one really wants.
Then, seeing as the children were incapable of fending for themselves, they fell prey to predators, standing both in two and four legs, as well as the elements of nature. The few who survived were forced to cannibalize the dead.
The end.
I've, uh, never quite seen why that would be the case.
There are, to our knowledge, two Dwarven kingdoms left. One in western Ferelden, one... somewhere very far away. Don't remember the location, but the analogy was New York and San Francisco. Clearly both are heavily isolated and under seige from a veritable sea of Darkspawn.
But... how do the dwarves keep the Darkspawn from coming through the various passages and Deep Road entrances across the continent? Or from digging new entrances? Or, well, what they do during just about every Blight?
It's not like the Darkspawn need to go through the Dwarves to hit the surface: if they did, there wouldn't really be Blights in the first place. The Dwarves are fighting to keep the Darkspawn at bay, but that doesn't really mean the Darkspawn are focused on them in return.
The darkspawn are often described as a hive mind united by the taint, with individuals exhibiting no more than 'animal cunning'. But individual darkspawn (emissaries, alphas, the Architect, Corypheus) are also shown to have what appear to be independent minds and motivations. How do these two things mesh?
Flemeth implied that the darkspawn horde was not an army that could be outmaneuvered and defeated in Origins. Yet, ultimately, this is indeed what happened to it. While they might balk at referring to this as "strategy", people attribute military decision-making to the darkspawn all the time, as in your example of the dwarves. Hell, it's difficult to explain some things, like the Ostagar campaign, without resorting to strategy. It appears to be a reasonable thing to do.
The question is: how does this actually work? If decisions are being made, who or what makes them?
The darkspawn are often described as a hive mind united by the taint, with individuals exhibiting no more than 'animal cunning'. But individual darkspawn (emissaries, alphas, the Architect, Corypheus) are also shown to have what appear to be independent minds and motivations. How do these two things mesh?
Flemeth implied that the darkspawn horde was not an army that could be outmaneuvered and defeated in Origins. Yet, ultimately, this is indeed what happened to it. While they might balk at referring to this as "strategy", people attribute military decision-making to the darkspawn all the time, as in your example of the dwarves. Hell, it's difficult to explain some things, like the Ostagar campaign, without resorting to strategy. It appears to be a reasonable thing to do.
The question is: how does this actually work? If decisions are being made, who or what makes them?
In Origins, the darkspawn are under the direction of the Archdemon, which is why the horde is able to attack the humans from two sides (the direction of the nearly endless army, and the route they tunnelled for themselves at the Tower of Ishal), while they later misdirected the armies into thinking they would attack Redcliffe (since they sent a small contingent to the village), but instead attacked Denerim.
The sentient darkspawn seem to be able to do something similar with a smaller number of darkspawn by commanding them, as we see in Amaranthine.
This Felassan...what makes people think he is powerful?
Any chance he is the bald elf mage?
This Felassan...what makes people think he is powerful?
Any chance he is the bald elf mage?
Bald? Did you say bald? I certainly hope that aint him. If so, the Inquisitor is in great danger.
This Felassan...what makes people think he is powerful?
Any chance he is the bald elf mage?
I hope not.
I want him to be a city elf. Not Dalish.
I hope not.
I want him to be a city elf. Not Dalish.
Bald? Did you say bald? I certainly hope that aint him. If so, the Inquisitor is in great danger.
Seriously, what's so special about him?
The darkspawn are often described as a hive mind united by the taint, with individuals exhibiting no more than 'animal cunning'. But individual darkspawn (emissaries, alphas, the Architect, Corypheus) are also shown to have what appear to be independent minds and motivations. How do these two things mesh?
Flemeth implied that the darkspawn horde was not an army that could be outmaneuvered and defeated in Origins. Yet, ultimately, this is indeed what happened to it. While they might balk at referring to this as "strategy", people attribute military decision-making to the darkspawn all the time, as in your example of the dwarves. Hell, it's difficult to explain some things, like the Ostagar campaign, without resorting to strategy. It appears to be a reasonable thing to do.
The question is: how does this actually work? If decisions are being made, who or what makes them?
The Archdemon. Or awakened-darkspawn. Or some of the original magisters. Or some of the more intelligent darkspawn.
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