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That one's easy. The geth aren't our enemies. What, we should spend more time fighting things that aren't Reapers or allied with them?

 

Speaking of Geth. Since the multiplayer is apparently canon, is there any explanation(handwave?) for why the Geth are present as enemies? I know the reason for why they are there is to provide variance in the things you can shoot at, but is there a story behind why they are scattered about?



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That one's easy. The geth aren't our enemies. What, we should spend more time fighting things that aren't Reapers or allied with them?

Because geth were Reapers' allies at least part of the game.    



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Speaking of Geth. Since the multiplayer is apparently canon, is there any explanation(handwave?) for why the Geth are present as enemies? I know the reason for why they are there is to provide variance in the things you can shoot at, but is there a story behind why they are scattered about?

MP consists of events happening during the war when Geth are/were alive. Multiplayer shits on ME lore with Collectors and volus fighters, so I wouldnt'be very serious about it anyway. 


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Speaking of Geth. Since the multiplayer is apparently canon, is there any explanation(handwave?) for why the Geth are present as enemies? I know the reason for why they are there is to provide variance in the things you can shoot at, but is there a story behind why they are scattered about?

If you make peace on Rannoch, I'm pretty sure the asari councilor says that soldiers still encounter small pockets of Reaper controlled geth.

 

 

MP consists of events happening during the war when Geth are/were alive. Multiplayer shits on ME lore with Collectors and volus fighters, so I wouldn'be very serious about it anyway. 

I don't consider ME MP cannon for that exact same reason.



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Speaking of Geth. Since the multiplayer is apparently canon, is there any explanation(handwave?) for why the Geth are present as enemies? I know the reason for why they are there is to provide variance in the things you can shoot at, but is there a story behind why they are scattered about?

 

During the debriefing of the geth situation after rannoch's arc is done, the asari councilor comments about there still being isolated pockets of geth present still fighting for the reapers. According to her, they are geth platforms with reaper code uploaded to them. Guessing that's what happens to any geth caught by reaper forces.

 

Skip to the 10 minute mark.



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Well, they were also nearly hunted to extinction by a combined Alliance and Turian effort if I remember right...


Well see, that right there is part of the problem....with as important as this would be to the plot of me3, it would really make sense for it to have been in one of the games to make it a relevant plot point don't you think? I've never read any of the books so I never really heard about cerberus being hunted let alone to extinction...

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Geth Husks....



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What is David even using as a model for combat? Corners weren't necessarily cut, but there was nothing really innovative or special about the gameplay either. They didn't use the system they had to the fullest. They were pretty average with their gameplay.

 

I disagree. I think ME3's gameplay fulfilled it's potential. That doesn't mean there's nothing to improve, but rather that I'm satisfied with the experience I received. The only thing I would have gone back and changed was separating the cover/roll into two buttons. Maybe MENext will implement Tomb Raider's auto-cover to solve that issue.



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Because geth were Reapers' allies at least part of the game.

Yep. Then that ended, and the geth were either allies or dead.

You think the Rannoch arc should have been longer? I don't see a conceptual problem with contriving the game so this side-arc lasts longer and we have to shoot more geth, but what's the value of stretching it out?

The war isn't about the geth. Wouldn't the people whining about too much Cerberus end up also whining about the geth, and this time with real justification?

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Well see, that right there is part of the problem....with as important as this would be to the plot of me3, it would really make sense for it to have been in one of the games to make it a relevant plot point don't you think? I've never read any of the books so I never really heard about cerberus being hunted let alone to extinction...

They weren't hunted down to extiction. Not even close. Thanks to some intel the Anderson gave them, the Turians were able to cose down some major Cerberus Operations and arrest some of their Operatives and supporters. But TIM escapes and even says himself, that it will be easy enough to rebuild Cerberus.

The whole point of that entire plot was basically only to have a plausible explanation for Grayson (a guy Cerberus implanted with Reaper tech) to escape from a Cerberus lab and cause havoc.



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If you want to argue that Cerberus having manpower and fleets to rivial the combined forces of all the other citadel races is not a retcon then you need to explain ME2 - why does Timmy bother with an unknown risk like Shepard when he could literally have sent thousands of redshirts to go looking for the Collectors? And why, having spent an ridiculous sum on reviving Shepard did TIM not allocate any assets to keep Shepard alive? Maybe a fighter escort or some scouts for the Omega 4 relay? Or how about some heavy armour?

And how the hell did the Turians board these stations when it takes hours for the combined fleets of the galaxy to take out Cerberus' defending fleets?
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If you want to argue that Cerberus having manpower and fleets to rivial the combined forces of all the other citadel races is not a retcon then you need to explain ME2 - why does Timmy bother with an unknown risk like Shepard when he could literally have sent thousands of redshirts to go looking for the Collectors? And why, having spent an ridiculous sum on reviving Shepard did TIM not allocate any assets to keep Shepard alive? Maybe a fighter escort or some scouts for the Omega 4 relay? Or how about some heavy armor


Well technically Tim did give shep plenty of assets. He have him the Normandy sr2 the most advanced stealth ship in the galaxy, and he gave shep the new n7 armor along with all the crazy weapons like the mattock and whatnot. He also put Miranda, one of his top operatives as sheps second in command and then set up shep dossiers with some of the biggest badasses around. He also updates shep with collecter intel throughout the game. If shep failed with all this at his disposal, then he probably wasn't as useful as Tim expected anyways..

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Well technically Tim did give shep plenty of assets. He have him the Normandy sr2 the most advanced stealth ship in the galaxy, and he gave shep the new n7 armor along with all the crazy weapons like the mattock and whatnot. He also put Miranda, one of his top operatives as sheps second in command and then set up shep dossiers with some of the biggest badasses around. He also updates shep with collecter intel throughout the game. If shep failed with all this at his disposal, then he probably wasn't as useful as Tim expected anyways..

 

Yeah but while the Spectres made Shep buy his own upgrades, TIM took it one step further: Shep had to go mine his own eezo/palladium/ect and fabricate the stuff on his own :lol:



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Well technically Tim did give shep plenty of assets. He have him the Normandy sr2 the most advanced stealth ship in the galaxy, and he gave shep the new n7 armor along with all the crazy weapons like the mattock and whatnot. He also put Miranda, one of his top operatives as sheps second in command and then set up shep dossiers with some of the biggest badasses around. He also updates shep with collecter intel throughout the game. If shep failed with all this at his disposal, then he probably wasn't as useful as Tim expected anyways..

 

Most of that isn't useful for an unknown ship assault on an unknown enemy base. Did TIM know the Collector Base's defense systems? Exterior turrets, enemy ship numbers, etc? It just seems like Shepard and friends got lucky that only one ship happened to be there, what if there was more than one, the entire SM could have been over before it really started.

 

If TIM did have all the ships just loitering around you think he would have sent them to insure the Normandy wasn't alone going up against a possible defense fleet.


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Well technically Tim did give shep plenty of assets. He have him the Normandy sr2 the most advanced stealth ship in the galaxy, and he gave shep the new n7 armor along with all the crazy weapons like the mattock and whatnot. He also put Miranda, one of his top operatives as sheps second in command and then set up shep dossiers with some of the biggest badasses around. He also updates shep with collecter intel throughout the game. If shep failed with all this at his disposal, then he probably wasn't as useful as Tim expected anyways..

But you know what would have made sure Shep didn't fail?

A massive navy.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure 10 million supersoldiers who double as cannon fodder would have been a more valuable asset than just 12 badasses.



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Could have given her an atlas at least.

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Could have given her an atlas at least.

 

Did the Atlases even exist back then? I thought they were all converted from YMIR Mechs.



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What in 6 months? You'd think so.

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If you want to argue that Cerberus having manpower and fleets to rivial the combined forces of all the other citadel races is not a retcon then you need to explain ME2 - why does Timmy bother with an unknown risk like Shepard when he could literally have sent thousands of redshirts to go looking for the Collectors? And why, having spent an ridiculous sum on reviving Shepard did TIM not allocate any assets to keep Shepard alive? Maybe a fighter escort or some scouts for the Omega 4 relay? Or how about some heavy armour?

And how the hell did the Turians board these stations when it takes hours for the combined fleets of the galaxy to take out Cerberus' defending fleets?

Cerberus did not have thousands of thugs in ME2. TIM's henchmen in ME3 are mostly random people he turned into mindless slaves via the technology he obtained from the collector base. There is your reason he couldn't just send army to kill the collectors. And Cerberus is not able to rival all combined forces of the council races. If you paid attention you might have noticed, that most forces of the council races are kind of preoccopied with getting their asses  kicked by the Reapers. If Cerberus was the only antagonist ist would pretty much be a short war, but as it is the Alliance ad allies are under heavy attack and don't have much resources left to deal with Cerberus.

That being said Cerberus having a huge fleet all of a sudden doesn't make much sense I'll have to admit. Their increased manpower is explained though.

 

And when do the combined fleets attack Cerberus? One Alliance fleet attacks Cronos station, not the combined fleets.



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Did the Atlases even exist back then? I thought they were all converted from YMIR Mechs.

 

Didn't you find one on that wreck in the leviathan dlc?



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Didn't you find one on that wreck in the leviathan dlc?

 

I think it was supposed to be a diving mech structured similarly to an ATLAS mech but was different (although in game it is a recolored ATLAS model).

 

Although I'm not sure, I may have misremembered the Codex entry because I read it just now and said it combined aspects of the YMIR mech with the tactical prowess of a human pilot. Which is wierd because the pilot basically moves it like a YMIR mech.



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What in 6 months? You'd think so.

Well the Alliance did to apparently managed to figure out that new communication system (I forgot to spell the blasted name) that Cerberus had installed on the SR2 figure out how to make send out to multiple location and give it to pretty much every race in the galaxy including the Quarians all within 6 months.

 

I don't personally buy it or Shepard sitting on their ass for 6 months doing nothing when the Reapers are practically at our front door.



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Didn't you find one on that wreck in the leviathan dlc?

A Triton ADS. It resembles an ATLAS mech and is armed with a rocket launcher and mass accelerator cannon for ground combat situations, but is also capable of underwater exploration. While underwater, it can launch flares. It also has emergency boosters on its back to facilitate rapid ascent to the surface if needed.



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And Cerberus is not able to rival all combined forces of the council races. If you paid attention you might have noticed, that most forces of the council races are kind of preoccopied with getting their asses  kicked by the Reapers. If Cerberus was the only antagonist ist would pretty much be a short war, but as it is the Alliance ad allies are under heavy attack and don't have much resources left to deal with Cerberus.

That being said Cerberus having a huge fleet all of a sudden doesn't make much sense I'll have to admit. Their increased manpower is explained though.

 

And when do the combined fleets attack Cerberus? One Alliance fleet attacks Cronos station, not the combined fleets.

If you paid attention you might have noticed, that Salarians weren't preoccopied with getting their asses  kicked by the Reapers. Reapers hadn't attacked them at all when Cerberus curbstomps Salarians on their own homeworld. Earth was already under attack, batarians were butchered and salarians must have been in a state of red alert qith their fleets while their famed STG is the best intelligence service in the galaxy. But Cerberus just goes and openly fights on Surkesh without even bothering with infiltration.

 

Cerberus army is not really explained, okay they got unwilling recruits from the Sanctuary but how TIM armed his huge ground forces? How he equipped his soldiers, how he supplied them? Why Cerberus have advanced Atlas mechs while Alliance have nothing like that?