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[MassivelyEffective0730]

No its not. Grunt was made with the help of Reaper tech, EDI as well, Legion has Reaper Tech and all the geth if you let them live on Rannoch. The goddammed Citadel and the relays themselves are reaper tech. Everyone that lives on the citadel should be indoctinated if your statement would be true.

 

That clarification aside. I never said that Cerberbus was not indoctrinated. The cerberus troops are indoctrinaed by TIM and follow him blindly. He in turn is in the process of being indoctrinated by the Reapers and is already influenced by them heavily but not completely under their control yet.

 

I agree. Look at the Thanix Cannon. Look at EDI. Look at Dr. Bryson's lab where they kept a bloody large piece of Sovereign hanging. Studying and using Reaper tech is by no means a death sentence if the proper precautions are taken. Hell, that's the only reason I'm against Cerberus in ME3. They didn't take precautionary measures. They got too reckless. TIM let his ambition cloud his judgement. It's sad, because I respect and admire Cerberus and TIM. If they weren't indoctrinated, I'd have no doubt that they'd be my best ally against the Reapers.

[TTTX]

No its not. Grunt was made with the help of Reaper tech, EDI as well, Legion has Reaper Tech and all the geth if you let them live on Rannoch. The goddammed Citadel and the relays themselves are reaper tech. Everyone that lives on the citadel should be indoctinated if your statement would be true.

 

That clarification aside. I never said that Cerberbus was not indoctrinated. The cerberus troops are indoctrinaed by TIM and follow him blindly. He in turn is in the process of being indoctrinated by the Reapers and is already influenced by them heavily but not completely under their control yet.

Okay not all Reaper tech but the Releays and the Citadel for unknown reasons doesn't seem to indoctrinate.

 

We don't know how Grunt was created exactly other then the tech was consumed. as for EDI and geth well they aren't completely programmed from Reaper code and for the record BW were very vague about how the geth and EDI didn't get all under Reaper control.

 

BW likes the whole Speculation thing. 

[DeinonSlayer]

I agree. Look at the Thanix Cannon. Look at EDI. Look at Dr. Bryson's lab where they kept a bloody large piece of Sovereign hanging. Studying and using Reaper tech is by no means a death sentence if the proper precautions are taken. Hell, that's the only reason I'm against Cerberus in ME3. They didn't take precautionary measures. They got too reckless. TIM let his ambition cloud his judgement. It's sad, because I respect and admire Cerberus and TIM. If they weren't indoctrinated, I'd have no doubt that they'd be my best ally against the Reapers.

Absolutely. There's a very select list of factions which acknowledged the Reaper threat and took steps to deal with it before they arrived, some doing so better than others. The only ones I can think of are Cerberus, Wrex's Krogan, the Rachni (at least she claimed to anyway), the Migrant Fleet, and the Geth. The rest pretty much stuck their heads in the sand and got stomped on.

[Star fury]

If you do not like the game and it's plotholes then stop playing masseffect.

If you don't like a thread, the door is this way.

 

https://i.chzbgr.com...9920/h05569448/

[Star fury]

I don't think they influence the actual Cerberus troops. They just influence TIM through indoctrination, who then thinks that it would be a good idea to attack SurKesh for some reason. But TIM isn't fully indoctrinated yet and that is why he still has some peronal agenda and wants to find a way to control the Reapers.

TIM still thinks he oposes the Reapers and therefore he doesn't just order his men to destroy the Sanctuary, so the Reapers actually have to move their asses there to do it themselves and Cerberus defends it naturally.

 

Indoctrination doesn't necessarily work along the lines of: "Bam you are indoctrinated now and will do everything I command starting right now."

Why we don't have an actual explanation in game?

[TTTX]

I agree. Look at the Thanix Cannon. Look at EDI. Look at Dr. Bryson's lab where they kept a bloody large piece of Sovereign hanging. Studying and using Reaper tech is by no means a death sentence if the proper precautions are taken. Hell, that's the only reason I'm against Cerberus in ME3. They didn't take precautionary measures. They got too reckless. TIM let his ambition cloud his judgement. It's sad, because I respect and admire Cerberus and TIM. If they weren't indoctrinated, I'd have no doubt that they'd be my best ally against the Reapers.

True, Reaper tech can advance the races, but the question is however are the galaxy ready to advance at so little time so fast?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Absolutely. There's a very select list of factions which acknowledged the Reaper threat and took steps to deal with it before they arrived, some doing so better than others. The only ones I can think of are Cerberus, Wrex's Krogan, the Rachni (at least she claimed to anyway), the Migrant Fleet, and the Geth. The rest pretty much stuck their heads in the sand and got stomped on.

 

I got ya. Now. How do you feel about using Reaper Tech? Even the Geth code, which is portrayed as being safe, even if it given an inadequate explanation?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

True, Reaper tech can advance the races, but the question is however are the galaxy ready to advance at so little time so fast?

 

So little time? How much time are we talking about here? In a state of galactic war where every resource is to be used for the war effort, what can't be done?

 

I'm not expecting it to win the war for us. That's what the Crucible is for. This is supposed to be a stop-gap measure to keep the Reapers at bay. You can implement new procedures and technology relatively quickly given adequate support and communication. Changes to SOP and tactics would need as little as a few comm relays between leadership and the various chain of commands throughout the galaxy. Technology is something that would need to be given time for, but you'd need less operations time than you think. The number one issue is whether you'd want to stay in a semi-liberal society facing a galactic scale war or to transition to a wartime system that hinges on dedication to the war effort in every aspect of the culture.

[Star fury]

Not really. We're supposed to be fighting Reapers. Wouldn't it make much more sense to make more Reaper variants and focus on them, while minimizing the assets for Cerberus and the Geth instead of giving them their own armies to fight repeatedly?

 

Or devs could've done the same they did in ME1, there was one faction as main enemies. Leave Cerberus to multiplayer which was the best part of the game imo.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

My goodness, are there some incredibly silly comments in this thread.

 

Case in point.

[Elhanan]

Not only Reaper Tech, but the IM apparently has access to most all high end technology. And Reaper tech is only the new kid on the block; relatively unknown.

 

Personally, I was more impressed by both Leviathan and Kalross....

[DeinonSlayer]

I got ya. Now. How do you feel about using Reaper Tech? Even the Geth code, which is portrayed as being safe, even if it given an inadequate explanation?

Depends on whether they're going to be smart about it. My canon Shepard saved the Collector base - as I've said, remote exploration via mech would be an obvious precaution against indoctrination, but if they're not going to approach it responsibly I'd be more inclined to destroy it. That said, I don't have nearly enough assurances or basic information about the Reaper code to support its use (EDI thought the Reaper IFF was safe, too) and would have preferred a scenario to make peace without it or at the very least ask some questions about it (for example, will the next Reaper they come across be able to lash them via another command signal).

I made a thread with a revised dialogue tree at the end of the Rannoch arc addressing it; I've gotta dig and find it...

[fhs33721]

Why we don't have an actual explanation in game?

 

During the Cerberus Lab side mission there are two audiologs that indicate that the Cerberus troops are indoctrinated to serve Cerberus (and therefore TIM) exclusively (Not the Reapers). So the Reapers have no direct control over the Cerberus mobs. They are jus able to influence TIM. The rest I just assumed.

I'm not sure if it's the right conclusion but it sounds logical enough to me.

But I never claimed that ME3 had the most solid writing in the world. It's just that I'm rather someone who rather tries to make sense of possible plotholes than just call them out and complain about it. It makes playing through the trilogy more enjoyable than constantly being enraged by plotholes I'd guess.

[Star fury]

During the Cerberus Lab side mission there are two audiologs that indicate that the Cerberus troops are indoctrinated to serve Cerberus (and therefore TIM) exclusively (Not the Reapers). So the Reapers have no direct control over the Cerberus mobs. They are jus able to influence TIM. The rest I just assumed.

I'm not sure if it's the right conclusion but it sounds logical enough to me.

But I never claimed that ME3 had the most solid writing in the world. It's just that I'm rather someone who rather tries to make sense of possible plotholes than just call them out and complain about it. It makes playing through the trilogy more enjoyable than constantly being enraged by plotholes I'd guess.

You see, that's exactly the point I make. We have to make goddamn speculations just as Casey Hudson wanted. And no, that's too important for a developer who boasts about making "story-driven games"TM. Then give us actual explanation of important story events.

 

Also that recording is way too vague. You could easily speculate that a new recruit was indoctrinated to serve Reapers too.

[Iamjdr]

ME 1 had an adult, realistic tone. The sequels were full blown comics, over the top and at times ridiculous. It's obvious they changed their target audience.

Please tell me this isn't serious..

[Iamjdr]

It always bothered me that too many nonsensical plot twists were explained by "Reaper tech". Cerberus is everywhere and is on par with Reapers and Geth? "Reaper tech".Terrorist organisation which spent most of their money on Lazarus and Normandy SR2? Now TIM has a huge army and cruiser fleet!

What is exactly "Reaper tech"? What it does? How exactly Cerberus use it?

Well for me it seems TIM has figured how to use reaper tech to create husk shock troops which is partially gone over on sanctuary, but yes I wish there was more info on the process. And the surkesh thing was kinda confusing but I always chalked it up to Tim tryin to slow shep down. An that was a remote base not the capital so them being infiltrated isn't impossible. Ive also always wondered, is there anything in game that states that Cerberus is out of money or that they are even running low? I know that in me2 during the Lazarus project Wilson says they went over budget but no one seems to care. That doesn't really imply to me that Tim is worried about his money running out.

[Iakus]

Please tell me this isn't serious..

 

ME1 Ash's appearance

 

ME3 Ash's appearance

 

Yeah, I think he's serious.

[Star fury]

ME1 Ash's appearance

 

ME3 Ash's appearance

 

Yeah, I think he's serious.

Wanted to post the same thing!

 

 

[Star fury]

Well for me it seems TIM has figured how to use reaper tech to create husk shock troops which is partially gone over on sanctuary, but yes I wish there was more info on the process. And the surkesh thing was kinda confusing but I always chalked it up to Tim tryin to slow shep down. An that was a remote base not the capital so them being infiltrated isn't impossible. Ive also always wondered, is there anything in game that states that Cerberus is out of money or that they are even running low? I know that in me2 during the Lazarus project Wilson says they went over budget but no one seems to care. That doesn't really imply to me that Tim is worried about his money running out.

TIM wanting to prevent Shepard from stopping Reapers? Ok, TIM is obviously indoctrinated but then Reapers attack Cerberus on Horizon, they attack their loyal minions because?

 

I wrote that Surkesh was a capital world of Salarians during a galactic war against Reapers but Cerberus somehow evaded Salarian fleet and has a field day on STG base. All we get is small dialogue on the SR2 about "Reaper tech". How exactly Cerberus evaded salarian ships? How they managed to avoid a fight against salarian army? No answers but but it's a "story-driven game"TM.

[naddaya]

Please tell me this isn't serious..

 

Totally serious. ME1 had its derp moments (like Shepard being a brick during the first council meeting and asking "what's the genophage?" ten times) but overall it had a believable plot and Shepard wasn't a complete moron all the time. Can't say the same about the sequels. Gratuitous cheese, everywhere.

[AlanC9]

Wanted to post the same thing!
 

 

Hair up, hair down. What's the issue, again?

[AlanC9]

Totally serious. ME1 had its derp moments (like Shepard being a brick during the first council meeting and asking "what's the genophage?" ten times) but overall it had a believable plot and Shepard wasn't a complete moron all the time. Can't say the same about the sequels. Gratuitous cheese, everywhere.

My favorite ME1 nonsense moments were Tali's magical voice recording and Sovereign's ridiculous plan.

[Iakus]

I can see Tali's recording being odd (given there's no reason given for why it was absolute proof) by why is Sovereign's plan so silly?

[AlanC9]

I can see Tali's recording being odd (given there's no reason given for why it was absolute proof) by why is Sovereign's plan so silly?

Transmitting voice recordings to all the geth in real time is even worse. All that bandwidth and storage space for no purpose. Even if it had been orders rather than an irrelevant conversation, it would have been text rather than voice.

As for Sovereign's plan, he's looking for the Conduit to get agents onto the Citadel. But he already has agents on the Citadel; highly-placed agents, in fact. And there's no shortage of armed krogan or asari on the Citadel, so there's no conceptual problem with reinforcing them even if Saren can't find a way to smuggle geth there. I'll grant that he only has Saren and Benezia's cover blown through preposterously bad luck, but why is he bothering?

[naddaya]

Hair up, hair down. What's the issue, again?

 

Impractical sexualization. Miranda's "armor" in ME2. Edi's obviously necessary ******. The Asari strippers were alright. They're strippers. They're supposed to be half naked. Running around a battlefield in high heels and with your hair down, on the other hand, can only grant your chest more wholes to breathe through than it would need. Soldiers don't run around half naked. But never mind that, it wouldn't stop a good story from being good, wouldn't it? Nope. That's what The Cerberus Empire, Kai Lame and various lobotomized characters are for. If the plot was consistent, I would be happy looking at Ashley's cleavage.

 

EDIT: It censored camel t. Ah the irony