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#126
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They have a mod for that too?

 

I might have to get this game on PC.

 

http://forum.bioware...es-on-the-side/

 

One of them is Ash in a real Alliance uniform and a ponytail.  THe ponytail still isn't exactly to my liking, too many loose locks.  But still waaaay better than having half her face obscurred



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Can't say I agree there. ME1 is my least favorite Shepard because of his lack of wit or interesting perspective. Most of the time he's a dumb brick, either asking questions for the benefit of the player (and as such, forgivable) or just paraphrasing what someone just asked him ("Shepard, should we do this or that? Dialogue wheel > "We should do that"). Granted, the latter is more of a problem because Mark Meer's voice acting was still pretty rough in ME1.

 

And I really disagree that ME1 is more "realistic." Synthesis aside, I don't know anything in ME3 that's more absurd than the thorian vomiting fully-clothed asari commando clones.

 

Kai Leng. The clone. The kid. Cerberus becoming an empire all of a sudden. Shepard pulling a Jesus on the world. I never said there wasn't any cheese in ME1. There's plenty! Just less and more tolerable than in the sequels. JesusShep and the rest annoyed me more than the questionable stuff in ME1.

 

 

 

That said, Miranda strikes me as the person who wears nothing but heels. 

 

Fair point :D



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Kai Leng. The clone. The kid. Cerberus becoming an empire all of a sudden. Shepard pulling a Jesus on the world. I never said there wasn't any cheese in ME1. There's plenty! Just less and more tolerable than in the sequels. JesusShep and the rest annoyed me more than the questionable stuff in ME1.

 

An assassin using a sword is more ridiculous than the thorian?

 

Surely you don't think that cloning by the methods that we already know are possible in our world is more ridiculous than the thorian cloning which somehow includes body armor?

 

The Catalyst is a hyper-advanced AI in a universe that has AI. How is that ridiculous?

 

What do you mean Shepard pulling a Jesus? Lazarus Project or Synthesis (I've already acknowledged Synthesis is the most ridiculous thing in the ME series)?



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You're basically saying that it's not possible to look professional while wearing certain types of attire. An administrator, an executive officer. Calm. Efficient. Professional. And she commands respect. And she does it all with the outfit. Nobody really remarks much about it except Kenneth. And he does that with every woman on the Normandy. So that's really not saying much at all. Her uniform can be a reflection of what she's supposed to be. If you can get a woman like that to be that confident to wear that and be able to be intimidating all at the same time, she's done her job well.

 

I'm the executive officer of my company. It comes down to preference for command and what the commander will let you get away with. And I will occasionally show up to work in a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and Chuck Taylor's. And I still command respect. I don't ask for it, I earn it. And as long as I'm not slouching on my uniform standards and keeping the company motivated, informed, and trained, I'm being professional and doing my job. So really man, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

And she could do her job even better dressed in an outfit that's sized appropriately for her.

 

You may occassionally show up for work in a Hawaiian shirt.  But do you do so regularly?  Do you show up in a speedo? 

 

I am not in the military, but I do work in a place with a dress code.  I am expected to look professional, as it shows respect both to the public and to your coworkers.  If I or someone else showed up looking inappropriate (and certainly dressed as Miranda) they'd be sent home.  Doesn't matter how good at their job they are.


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An assassin using a sword is more ridiculous than the thorian?

 

Surely you don't think that cloning by the methods that we already know are possible in our world is more ridiculous than the thorian cloning which somehow includes body armor?

 

The sword acrtually makes sense as such a blade could pierce kinetic barriers

 

The thorian, well, I'm jsut going to assume the rason for the body armor is "this is Mass Effect, not The Witcher" :D



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I know it is not totally on topic, but on the subject of Technological uplift and reference something Julia mentioned about the Mars archive.

 

In the WIKI it states that humanity was able to reverse engineer an understanding of Mass Effect technology in an especially short period of time, around about a year iirc. Julia mentioned a jump of 10'000 years, I couldn't put a number on but it was certainly enough of a technological leap to allow humanity to stand toe to toe with the other races who have had access to Prothean technology for millennia (Asari)

 

Compared with Liara, who was introduced as one of the galaxy's leading Prothean experts and her decades of study into Protheans, this seems hard to figure out.

 

I could see only one way, in the lore of the franchise, that could account for this. Shepard's ability to understand Prothean transmissions without "noise". Speculations ahead, someone got a Cypher



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And she could do her job even better dressed in an outfit that's sized appropriately for her.

 

You may occassionally show up for work in a Hawaiian shirt.  But do you do so regularly?  Do you show up in a speedo? 

 

I am not in the military, but I do work in a place with a dress code.  I am expected to look professional, as it shows respect both to the public and to your coworkers.  If I or someone else showed up looking inappropriate (and certainly dressed as Miranda) they'd be sent home.  Doesn't matter how good at their job they are.

 

The outfit is sized *perfectly* for her. 

 

I can if I want to. Let's not make the slippery slope fallacy or straw man.

 

What exactly is wrong with Miranda's outfit? Form fitting? It covers everything. It's fairly modest when you get down to it. You just not like it or something?



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Miranda's outfit is ridiculous, as is jack's and samara's.
I am just really thankful femshep has sensible armour and not your typical female armour that protects through the power of skimpiness and showing the flesh.

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I think Miranda's uniform is very official, it always makes me stand at attention.


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I am not in the military, but I do work in a place with a dress code.  I am expected to look professional, as it shows respect both to the public and to your coworkers.  If I or someone else showed up looking inappropriate (and certainly dressed as Miranda) they'd be sent home.  Doesn't matter how good at their job they are.

 

Considering TIM cares strictly about results (whether it's Miranda or Shepard) why would he care at all how people look so long as they get the job done?

 

I mean really, here's a guy who, when Shepard does the opposite of what he would have done in a mission, says "I may not agree with the methods but I can't argue with the results."


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Miranda's outfit is ridiculous, as is jack's and samara's.
I am just really thankful femshep has sensible armour and not your typical female armour that protects through the power of skimpiness and showing the flesh.

 

I guess I'm the only one who likes the catsuit then. Who thinks its perfectly appropriate. I'll agree with Jack, though I don't think she'd agree. She wouldn't care. And as long as she's doing the job, I won't care much either. Same with Samara. It suits her needs, and she's able fight just as well as I in battle armor. 



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The sword acrtually makes sense as such a blade could pierce kinetic barriers

 

The thorian, well, I'm jsut going to assume the rason for the body armor is "this is Mass Effect, not The Witcher" :D

 

Still, it's pretty unintelligent to bring a sword to a gunfight. Leng wasn't a well-executed villain.



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An assassin using a sword is more ridiculous than the thorian?

 

Surely you don't think that cloning by the methods that we already know are possible in our world is more ridiculous than the thorian cloning which somehow includes body armor?

 

The Catalyst is a hyper-advanced AI in a universe that has AI. How is that ridiculous?

 

What do you mean Shepard pulling a Jesus? Lazarus Project or Synthesis (I've already acknowledged Synthesis is the most ridiculous thing in the ME series)?

 

Lazarus. And no one even acknowledges it in-game.

 

Kai Leng is more ridiculous, yes. He looks like he's come straight out of a comic, his lines are mediocre at best, if I recall well he doesn't carry guns, he's one dimensional and merely a plot device. Some explanation is given about the Thorian. It's supposed to be weird and alien.

 

Why does the Catalyst look like the kid? Why does Shepard care so much about this damn kid? Why spend tons of money on resurrecting Shepard when they could have just cloned him/her? Besides, they don't need a "symbol". They need an army. They couldn't even count on his loyalty. Shepard would only be useful for his knowledge of the reapers, which can be obtained from his former squadmates. The only remarkable thing he has is the Cypher, and they never mention it. He's a good fighter, yep, but how many good fighters exist already?

 

Why are the Crucible plans so conveniently found in Mars, which has been scouted for decades? Why does everyone decide to go along with it, spending a great deal of money and resources, even if nobody knows what it does exactly? It's cheap.

 

Cerberus started out as a rogue scientific/martial organization. How did it become an empire in such little time? Why do the same few dumb characters hold all the power? (Most are portrayed as dumb. Loghain, Eamon, Anora from DAO are fine examples of well written scheming people. They don't sound like babbling idiots.)

 

What's the point of making Udina indoctrinated? Why does Shepard keep on ranting about Earth? The whole galaxy is at stake.

 

I said that ME1 Shepard lacked depth and development myself, except for some pieces of dialogue with Ashley and when the Normandy was grounded. He/she could say some stupid things, usually when asking about aliens and such, all for the player's benefit. When plot decisions came though, he didn't derp all the time.


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Still, it's pretty unintelligent to bring a sword to a gunfight. Leng wasn't a well-executed villain.

No arguments there.  Just saying a hand-held blade is an effective counter to kinetic barriers designed to stop fast-moving projectiles.

 

I mean, I've read Dune :D


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Still, it's pretty unintelligent to bring a sword to a gunfight. Leng wasn't a well-executed villain.

 

All of his fight scenes demonstrate exactly why that is. It's pretty terrible when 3 Cannibals is much more a difficult fight than the anti-Shepard.



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The outfit is sized *perfectly* for her. 

 

I can if I want to. Let's not make the slippery slope fallacy or straw man.

 

What exactly is wrong with Miranda's outfit? Form fitting? It covers everything. It's fairly modest when you get down to it. You just not like it or something?

 

If an outfit outlines every fold and crease, i'm going to say it's sized too small ;)

 

Point being, appearance shapes how people perceive you.  Ability can counteract it, especially if you have a reputation for getting things done.  But you are still putting yourself at a disadvanage for no good reason

 

Calling Miranda's outfit "formfitting" is putting it mildly.  She looks ready to bust out of it, Hulk-style at any moment.



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Kai Leng is more ridiculous, yes. He looks like he's come straight out of a comic, his lines are mediocre at best, if I recall well he doesn't carry guns, he's one dimensional and merely a plot device. Some explanation is given about the Thorian. It's supposed to be weird and alien.

 

"Some explanation is given." :D  To be clear I don't really care about any of this but a lot of leeway is being given to one game and not the two others.

 


Why does the Catalyst look like the kid?

 

The Catalyst establishes a mental link with Shepard, something which has been shown possible multiple times previously, especially in ME1.

 

 

Why does Shepard care so much about this damn kid?

 

He doesn't. The kid is a symbol for all the death and destruction during the series.

 

 

Why spend tons of money on resurrecting Shepard when they could have just cloned him/her?

 

Citadel DLC as well as TIM gives you the answer, but a clone doesn't have any of Shepard's experiences that have turned him into the guy TIM knows can get the job done.

 

 

They don't need a "symbol". They need an army. They couldn't even count on his loyalty.

 

TIM doesn't need Shepard's loyalty to stop the Collectors; he only needs to count on Shepard's willingness to take them on. As for keeping the Collector base, his only miscalculation was Miranda betraying him.

 

"Why are the Crucible plans so conveniently found in Mars, which has been scouted for decades?"

 

Because the plot dictates that it needs to be found. It also gives credibility to Shepard's decision to destroy the relay in Arrival, since it's only in the 6 months this gives Liara that she utilizes the Broker network to locate the plans.

 

The obvious reasons for a lot of things will be "because the plot needed it to happen now" but this doesn't automatically make the story point bad. Why does Shepard survive the beacon in ME1? Magical "Shepard is teh man/woman" reasons to serve the plot. That being said if I were given a do-over I'd have made ME2's plot revolve around obtaining the Crucible plans.

 

"Why does everyone decide to go along with it, spending a great deal of money and resources, even if nobody knows what it does exactly? It's cheap."

 

Because everyone agrees that conventional victory is a dead end, and that at bare minimum they know, as Liara says, that it's a device capable of channeling energy into untold amounts of destruction.

 

"Cerberus started out as a rogue scientific/martial organization. How did it become an empire in such little time? Why do the same few dumb characters hold all the power? (Most are portrayed as dumb. Loghain, Eamon, Anora from DAO are fine examples of well written scheming people. They don't sound like babbling idiots.)"

 

We know this is because it's only after ME1 that BW decided to make Cerberus important, but it's easy to write this off as tactical misinformation on Cerberus' part; misrepresent their strength so that they don't draw the attention of people like the Alliance. As for dumb characters, of whom do you speak? What about TIM's plan is dumb, especially since he turned out to be right all along?

 

"What's the point of making Udina indoctrinated?"

Was he? I thought he was a Cerberus insider. Was it confirmed he was indoctrinated? If he was, it was to reinforce the danger of indoctrination, something which has been a central plot point the entire series, and which Javik identifies as a primary reason for their defeat (choosing to give up planets only for the inhabitants to be used to replenish Reaper troops).

 

"Why does Shepard keep on ranting about Earth? The whole galaxy is at stake."

 

Shepard cares about the home world of his species, oh no.

 

Some of your concerns are actually quite nitpicky and conditional, and for every one you come up with from ME3 I can give you one from ME1. How about the fact that if some lazy dock worker hadn't slept behind a pile of boxes (miraculously undetected by the droves of geth running around) Saren isn't identified, Shepard has no reason to find Tali, and Sovereign's plan succeeds? All hail the true hero, Mr. Procrastinating Dock Worker!



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But... but without heels, Samara wouldn't be able to tell that Eclipse Merc to "find peace in the embrace of the Goddess." Even I have to admit that was a pretty sexy way of executing her.

 

She, however, has the same issue as Miranda and Liara with her armor in a vacuum and in hostile environments. Hey, and let's not leave Jack out of this discussion. Jack can be half naked in space -- her badassness creates a bubble of air around her. Not even Zaeed is that badass. If Shepard had half her badassness she wouldn't need a helmet.

 

Also note that everyone you take aboard the Quarian ships wears full armor and head gear except Miranda, Samara, and Jack.



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I always use liara's alternative outfit in 3; at least it has the semblance of armour plating.
At least in 3 jack's is a little bit more sensible (only a little! ) and at least they lampshade it in citadel.

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Lazarus. And no one even acknowledges it in-game.

 

Kai Leng is more ridiculous, yes. He looks like he's come straight out of a comic, his lines are mediocre at best, if I recall well he doesn't carry guns, he's one dimensional and merely a plot device. Some explanation is given about the Thorian. It's supposed to be weird and alien.

 

Why does the Catalyst look like the kid? Why does Shepard care so much about this damn kid? Why spend tons of money on resurrecting Shepard when they could have just cloned him/her? Besides, they don't need a "symbol". They need an army. They couldn't even count on his loyalty. Shepard would only be useful for his knowledge of the reapers, which can be obtained from his former squadmates. The only remarkable thing he has is the Cypher, and they never mention it. He's a good fighter, yep, but how many good fighters exist already?

 

Why are the Crucible plans so conveniently found in Mars, which has been scouted for decades? Why does everyone decide to go along with it, spending a great deal of money and resources, even if nobody knows what it does exactly? It's cheap.

 

Cerberus started out as a rogue scientific/martial organization. How did it become an empire in such little time? Why do the same few dumb characters hold all the power? (Most are portrayed as dumb. Loghain, Eamon, Anora from DAO are fine examples of well written scheming people. They don't sound like babbling idiots.)

 

What's the point of making Udina indoctrinated? Why does Shepard keep on ranting about Earth? The whole galaxy is at stake.

 

I said that ME1 Shepard lacked depth and development myself, except for some pieces of dialogue with Ashley and when the Normandy was grounded. He/she could say some stupid things, usually when asking about aliens and such, all for the player's benefit. When plot decisions came though, he didn't derp all the time.

Kai Leng first appeared in the novels where he actually had some personality and skills from what I read on his wiki page. apparently the writer for him there either didn't do their homework or had no idea how to handle him.

 

I think most people either hate or dislike the Catalyst because it is shoehorned into the plot to do a last second explanation that turned the Reapers into puppets and the same trying make them look the good guys and there is the whole location of it, I mean on the Citadel, seriously? did the writer forget the plot in ME1?

 

The crucible would have made somewhat sense if it had been found somewhere else and one of the main goals in ME2 had been finding the plans for it. But BW didn't think of that when they started making the series, they more or less just made it up as they went a long which explains why Cerberus started up as break away Alliance origination.

 

We actually don't know why Udina suddenly turned Cerberus lap dog only EDI theorized that he was indoctrinated  which I really don't see how that could have happened as for Shepard going all cry baby in ME3 it's their attempt make Shepard more human, but in my opinion they failed at that since Shepard has at that point already seen a whole lot worse then seeing a kid blown out of the sky.



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If an outfit outlines every fold and crease, i'm going to say it's sized too small ;)

 

Point being, appearance shapes how people perceive you.  Ability can counteract it, especially if you have a reputation for getting things done.  But you are still putting yourself at a disadvanage for no good reason

 

Calling Miranda's outfit "formfitting" is putting it mildly.  She looks ready to bust out of it, Hulk-style at any moment.

 

Depending on what you're trying to go for, Miranda's attire can use her appearance to put people at an impasse. I'm not really seeing anything but an advantage as far as what she's trying to do. She's using her own outfit as a tool, and to assert dominance. Trust me, it takes a special kind of confidence to be able to pull off what Miranda's doing and succeeding. And you really can't say she doesn't succeed. Everyone on the Normandy crew praises her for her competence, and they all seem to have a high regard for her. Appearance does shape how people see you. As does personal bias. I see Ashley for example as a try hard trying to compensate, and I find her unprofessional. In ME3, I see her the same way that you see Miranda. To me, she's partly doing what she does in an effort to try and get Shepard's attention. Doesn't work. Personality and compatibility aside, Miranda is a McLaren P1, and Ashley is a Dodge Challenger. I don't know about you, but I'll take the hybrid Supercar over the Muscle car. Nothing against it, but the Supercar is going to be a lot prettier.



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If the game had possibly one extra year in delaying the game for development, then maybe certain plot points could have been implemented better instead of being left vague. I did find the plotline to be very vague due to the lack of explanation the player gets.



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He doesn't. The kid is a symbol for all the death and destruction during the series.

I think of way better symbols then some random kid, Shepard hasn't even known for 5 minutes.



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I think of way better symbols then some random kid, Shepard hasn't even known for 5 minutes.

 

I actually think the kid works because he's so far removed from Shepard. Let's say we substitute the kid with the squadmate that died on Virmire in Shepard's dreams. Isn't this going to make people more confused? Since the Virmire sacrifice might actually have a lot of sentimental value, you'd be more justified in believing the dreams are just about that person, which diminishes their purpose as a symbol. On the other hand, having the kid in the dreams with the whispers of everyone else in the background including the Virmire sacrifice, you have established a clear purpose and meaning with the dreams (or at least established that Shepard isn't having the dreams just about one person).

 

Or at least I thought it was clear until I came to the BSN.



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I actually think the kid works because he's so far removed from Shepard. Let's say we substitute the kid with the squadmate that died on Virmire in Shepard's dreams. Isn't this going to make people more confused? Since the Virmire sacrifice might actually have a lot of sentimental value, you'd be more justified in believing the dreams are just about that person, which diminishes their purpose as a symbol. On the other hand, having the kid in the dreams with the whispers of everyone else in the background including the Virmire sacrifice, you have established a clear purpose and meaning with the dreams (or at least established that Shepard isn't having the dreams just about one person).

 

Or at least I thought it was clear until I came to the BSN.

Most people don't connect with random kids they don't get know that gets blown up and then is forced to chase down in dreams, that look and sound like indoctrination.

 

If people don't connect with it well it's not a good symbol plain and simple.


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