Oh, DA2...The rivalmances with Hawke are canon, unfortunately. I think they largely fail to serve their intent in DA2 -- IMO they were supposed to display that people can have opposing ideals but still love one another, but it can also, alas, be played that it doesn't matter how degrading a PC is to his/her intended target...the target will put out if you say the right thing at a few key places and anything derogatory you say elsewhere will only make them 'more rivalmancey'.
I really miss that DA:O companions could call PCs out on their bullshite and a) stop agreeing to sex; 
leave. 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that I think they served fine if you avoided some options and even the options you can take can mostly all be justified in some way or another. The main issue is the PC isn't allowed to try to justify him/herself so you're stuck with your character doing something X would disagree with and unable to explain his/her reasoning isn't as malicious as X initially assumes. Anders will dump you for dealing with Torpor though (lol needed to take that and out XD). I only wish they had it so Fenris would dump you if you were a bloodmage but that would entail putting actual reactions into the PC using bloodmagic in the game.
As for derogatory you mean like calling Anders an abomination? Most you do with Merrill on the rivalry track is call her incompetent (which...can easily be justified and you can do the same for Ashley in ME1 and still romance her.) Fenris can be called out on his complaints (but this is something he'd do himself so I'm not sure why it'd stop a relationship). I only did the Isabela rivalrymance once but Hawke mostly complained about her laid back attitude (and yeah I didn't get why she'd want to be with someone she found boring anyway.) but even with that the insults weren't anything more than complaining she could be more (unless I'm misremembering). Calling Merrill a threat to everyone around her ends the romance from what I remember.
I didn't mind that in DAO my issue was my PC had to become an asskisser and yes man (or spam gifts if they wanted to avoid that) to get any decent content whatsoever. (Thankfully that was avoided mostly with Sten. YAY for Sten). A mixture of the two for me would be ideal. No more DAO spamming fits to buy affection or DA2's really weird rivalry increasing moments (undeserved insults for one should tend to break romances).
That said Fenris will leave if you don't go after Hadriana in a timely manner you can't complete the romance without doing all their personal quests, I believe Anders dumps you if you don't help him with his act 3 quest, and so on. Isabela obviously ditches you if you don't help her with her quests or have her QB conversation where she admits you're a friend (friendship) or Hawke explains to her why he/she is someone that tries to help others out (which most likely influences her when she takes the book). Merill comes to closest since you don't have to give her the knife but even that is Hawke's concern for her (saying otherwise ends the romance).
Also DAO relationships could be played with your PC being an ass and still romancing them. I'm not sure why people bring that up like it's a flaw unique to DA2. You can romance Zevran with a human supremacist, Morrigan with a white knight, Alistair with a complete psycho and Leliana with a douche (heck if Leliana's hardened she'll stay in a relationship with someone who poisons the ashes). BW's still making tweaks. The gift giving system and rivalry both needed tweaking I don't see any reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater on those two systems though. DAO's heartbreak options weren't very clearly marked however so it was harder to avoid without clicking on them (I especially loved when something I thought would be said in a snarky matter apparently...wasn't).
Sometimes a spade is a spade, and sometimes mutual dislike is mutual dislike. Even people who dislike one another can have moments of sympathy and/or civility, that doesn't mean they want to bump uglies. Players are welcome to imagine otherwise, but imagination doesn't make it so.
Oh I agree with you on that. Nor do people who are close friends must be interested in a romantic relationship with each other either. I'm simply saying I didn't even see that much with Morrigan and Alistair that I could squint and see a foe yay relationship. Though I doubt anyone's arguing it's canon. I'm not.
And I'm someone who actually likes foe yay and teeth clenched teamwork in fiction
Edit: And this has turned into a wall of text >_<
Edit 2: ...Yep still growing...I'm so sorry D:
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