Maybe the fangirls like it though? I don't know. They still play the game apparently.
From my perspective though, it seems wrong for one group to experience more downsides.
No kidding. First pt he dumped my de and I was like :-( :-(. It was ok maybe I can win him back later. Then riordan said that one of us has to die, and I was like 3x :-(. Then morrigan wants to sex him up and I was "oh ffs how shtty can it get?"
I went "oh BW FINALLY has equal female and male options...I knew there'd be a catch."
Again...your definition of coercion is much looser than the legal system.
Except repeatedly asking for sex and threatening to leave is considered as coercion in court.
If you tell your wife that if she doesn't have sex with you, you're leaving, it's considered coercion.
Except repeatedly asking for sex and threatening to leave is considered as coercion in court.
Except repeatedly asking for sex and threatening to leave is considered as coercion in court.
If you tell your wife that if she doesn't have sex with you, you're leaving, it's considered coercion.
Ugh...no it isn't.
"Lets have sex or I'm breaking up with you," would not end in a rape conviction. It would be douchey and unethical but it isn't criminal. Someone who agreed to sex under those circumstances is not a rape victim. They are just co-dependent and in need of counselling and a new significant other.
That would never even make it to court.
Alistair fans preferring their husbando be a rape victim rather than sleeping with Morrigan willingly, does not make it so.
Now I'm one of those people who don't feel it was rape but let's not pretend he'd willingly slept with Morrigan if it wasn't gonna save the Warden's life and the Warden didn't talk him into it.
He was perfectly willing to die for the Warden to protect her rather than sleep with Morrigan until the Warden convinces him otherwise. That's his default. The warden has to mention it saving their life (and/or Riordan's) for him to agree to it.
It's a gray area.
And Morrigan keeping her lip shut about such information until she could exploit to the fullest hardly makes her a victim either.
Ah well thankfully there's Loghain~
Seems the only one who could really come close to being accused of coercion in this scenario is the PC, IMO. Unless people really think Alistair would've agreed if Morrigan herself had approached him; I honestly don't think so. To that end, I can understand why the Dark Ritual was squicky to some.
Edit: switched in coercion for accuracy
I feel sorry for my warden who had a romance with Alistair because she had to sleep alone while Alistair spend the night with Morrigan. I bet he enjoyed it even if he didn't want to do it at first. I think it would have been horrible if he would have said right away that "ok sure. Of course I'm going to do it and I'm going to enjoy it". Besides he doesn't look scared or anything when you see the scene. I think he was smiling a little.
I feel sorry for my warden who had a romance with Alistair because she had to sleep alone while Alistair spend the night with Morrigan. I bet he enjoyed it even if he didn't want to do it at first. I think it would have been horrible if he would have said right away that "ok sure. Of course I'm going to do it and I'm going to enjoy it". Besides he doesn't look scared or anything when you see the scene. I think he was smiling a little.
Morrigan probably did some magic that resembles viagra on effect. Considering what flemeth do to those men I bet she taught morrigan that too.
Which is fine. If he's going to do something he'd rather not do to save my life, at least he wont be traumatised doing it. And that probably means it was over too fast :-)
Now I have the mental image of my mage pretty much just thrusting three times then rolling over all satisfied with Morrigan with the most disgusted that was the worst sex I ever had look on her face afterwards.
lmao.
Now I have the mental image of my mage pretty much just thrusting three times then rolling over all satisfied with Morrigan with the most disgusted that was the worst sex I ever had look on her face afterwards.
lmao.
I don't think she'd care much cuz baby.
She can finish herself what the Warden started later on.
I don't think she'd care much cuz baby.
She can finish herself what the Warden started later on.
True but still bad sex is bad sex 
Would she even want to at that point though? I wouldn't.
I don't think she'd care much cuz baby.
She can finish herself what the Warden started later on.
Which brings to question: If the Grey Warden romanced her and consummated their relationship in Morrigan's communal sex-bed, why would she need to do the DR later on? Would she not be able to become fertilized from the GW's contribution at camp?
Which brings to question: If the Grey Warden romanced her and consummated their relationship in Morrigan's communal sex-bed, why would she need to do the DR later on? Would she not be able to become fertilized from the GW's contribution at camp?
"Morrigan's Communal Sex-Bed" would be a great name for a band.
my first playthougth I talked him into doing it, have to have a back up plane just in case things go bad, I didn't like it but you do what you have to ^.^
Morrigan probably did some magic that resembles viagra on effect. Considering what flemeth do to those men I bet she taught morrigan that too.
Which is fine. If he's going to do something he'd rather not do to save my life, at least he wont be traumatised doing it. And that probably means it was over too fast :-)
I didn't even think that Morrigan could possess that kind of magic but I wouldn't complain 
The faster Alistair performs the DR the better. That way he can still spend the last night of the battle with my warden.
Which brings to question: If the Grey Warden romanced her and consummated their relationship in Morrigan's communal sex-bed, why would she need to do the DR later on? Would she not be able to become fertilized from the GW's contribution at camp?
The DR is needed because that is the only way that the child will get the soul of the old god otherwise it would be a normal child. I guess the DR also includes other things than just sex.
Now I have the mental image of my mage pretty much just thrusting three times then rolling over all satisfied with Morrigan with the most disgusted that was the worst sex I ever had look on her face afterwards.
lmao.
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The interesting thing to me is how this would eat away at the Female Warden/Alistair relationship. Be it on Alistair's side or the Warden's. The DR is not the kind of thing couples easily forget about.. it's one of those issues they will randomly argue about out of nowhere. The unresolveable, nagging issue that keeps poking it's head out, ready to destroy the relationship.
And if not that, then the kid will come back to haunt someone anyhow. Like Mordred did with Arthur.
Flemeth even warns that you can't get out of this so easily. That's why I don't think it was ever her idea.
"Remember, it is up to you to stop the Blight. Pray not for someone else to destroy it. It will always nip at your heels."
The interesting thing to me is how this would eat away at the Female Warden/Alistair relationship. Be it on Alistair's side or the Warden's. The DR is not the kind of thing couples easily forget about.. it's one of those issues they will randomly argue about out of nowhere. The unresolveable, nagging issue that keeps poking it's head out, ready to destroy the relationship.
And if not that, then the kid will come back to haunt someone anyhow. Like Mordred did with Arthur.
Flemeth even warns that you can't get out of this so easily. That's why I don't think it was ever her idea.
"Remember, it is up to you to stop the Blight. Pray not for someone else to destroy it. It will always nip at your heels."
Are you comparing the DR to cheating? Because it wasn't cheating because you had to persuade Alistair to do it. Of course it is big issue still but couples can get over cheating and I think this is not as bad as cheating. It might also bring Alistair and warden closer together because they did something forbidden and they had to make sacrifices to be together. So I think they are more determined to be together because of the DR.
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Are you comparing the DR to cheating? Because it wasn't cheating because you had to persuade Alistair to do it. Of course it is big issue still but couples can get over cheating and I think this is not as bad as cheating. It might also bring Alistair and warden closer together because they did something forbidden and they had to make sacrifices to be together. So I think they are more determined to be together because of the DR.
Not necessarily cheating, no. It's just seems like a thing that people would not live down well. I'm interested in how it plays out. How could they just forget about it?
Lots of friendships or romances can have a nagging or awkward issue that keeps popping up and breeds resentment or distance. It need not be romance or cheating related.
my first playthougth I talked him into doing it, have to have a back up plane just in case things go bad.
Better take a chopper, though. The runway on the rooftop is a bit on the shortish side...
Not necessarily cheating, no. It's just seems like a thing that people would not live down well. I'm interested in how it plays out. How could they just forget about it?
Lots of friendships or romances can have a nagging or awkward issue that keeps popping up and breeds resentment or distance. It need not be romance or cheating related.
I don't think they can forget it entirely and it's not needed really. I think it's very important that they can deal with it together and accept what they did and of course forgive it. Although I'm not sure was the DR really bad thing because we haven't seen what the consequences are. Maybe it was good thing and it was better that you did it rather than you didn't.
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I don't think they can forget it entirely and it's not needed really. I think it's very important that they can deal with it together and accept what they did and of course forgive it. Although I'm not sure was the DR really bad thing because we haven't seen what the consequences are. Maybe it was good thing and it was better that you did it rather than you didn't.
Yeah, there's no way to tell yet. I only think it's bad merely because of my preconceptions from literary tradition. Secret rituals done in the night with witches, whereby you create some baby with the soul of a god/archdemon/etc... That doesn't usually turn out well. It defintely doesn't turn out well when the Father is a king either. It also doesn't work out well if the mother's name is Morrigan, Morgan le Fay, Morgana, or Morgause. Heh
For all I know though, Dragon Age could subvert it.
Yeah, there's no way to tell yet. I only think it's bad merely because of my preconceptions from literary tradition. Secret rituals done in the night with witches, whereby you create some baby with the soul of a god/archdemon/etc... That doesn't usually turn out well. It defintely doesn't turn out well when the Father is a king either. Heh
For all I know though, Dragon Age could subvert it.
Yes it sounds very bad. Although Morrigan doesn't seem to be a bad person. On my second playthough I became very good friends with her so if the ritual was actually bad then she was fooling me all along which could also be possible but I see it very unlikely. It could also be that she has good intentions but the ritual will turn out to be very bad idea. Or maybe doing the ritual which itself is very questionable and not good will turn out to be the best idea ever.
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