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[Abelas Forever!]

I understood that some people have problems specifically that you can persuade Alistair to do the DR and the reason is that you persuade him to have sex with Morrigan when he doesn't like the person at all and doesn't want to do the DR. For me the problem with DR is that I'll have to persuade my LI to do the ritual which ruins a little bit of my romance because I wanted it to be like "when they saw each others then they never even glance other people" thing. Of course there is that questionable old god thing.

 

I think Morrigan will be a good mother. I think there is a sensitive side in her and I can easily see that she is capable of giving enough love for the child but being strict enough so that the child won't get spoiled.

[Jeffonl1]

You're talking about the same woman who gives approval points if you let Caladrius sacrifice elves in a blood magic ritual... for a measley 1 Constitution.
 
It's OK to say she's cool in some way, or funny... but good mother? Lets not exagerrate here. Even Shale, for all her head crushing and pigeon killing, is decent enough to know Morrigan is a cruel person.

Still Morrigan is totally committed to her own decisions.. Pursuing them without regard to others... I would expect her to pursue motherhood with the same dedication. In WH she already showed she was very protective. I imagine it would come down how overprotective she would be...

[Abelas Forever!]

You're talking about the same woman who gives approval points if you let Caladrius sacrifice elves in a blood magic ritual... for a measley 1 Constitution.

 

It's OK to say she's cool in some way, or funny... but good mother? Lets not exagerrate here. Even Shale, for all her head crushing and pigeon killing, is decent enough to know Morrigan is a cruel person.

I think Morrigan is a person who thinks end justifies the means. So by sacrificing the elves you gain one point to constitution. If you save them you get nothing. So it's better if you sacrifice the elves because you need every help you can get to defeat the archdemon. Of course one point is quite small price for sacrificing so many elves but still. There is also no penalty for you if you choose to save every person in DAO or find them their lost artifacts which should be considered quite secondary thing to do because you'll have to prepare for defeating the archdemon. Of course you really can't fail for defeating the archdemon either. Because the game really doesn't punish you for saving everybody and fetching stuff to different people you only see that saving everybody is a good way and what Morrigan does is a bad way when it might not be so different if you would get punished for loosing time if you do random quests and you would have to think very carefully when to fetch artifacts and when not. Well of course this depends on what kind of person your PC is but still. So I think Morrigan can still be a good mother. She just sees world very differently.

[Abelas Forever!]

We are talking about the war and if you fail more people than 100 elves will die. She just want to make sure that you will win. She is ready to sacrifice a lot of things for that. What comes to Bronze Age and sacrificing rituals that is totally different thing because they didn't gain anything by doing those rituals when you get 1 point to your constitution and I'm talking about the different philosophies here not comparing different people.

[Mike3207]

Morrigan is amoral, and generally feels that anything you do to gain more power is worth the cost.Thus she'll be in favor of making a deal with a demon to get the staff at Honnleath, selling out the elves to get that one point in constitution and so on and so forth.Understand that about her and act accordingly.

Can a person like that make a good parent?I think at best it'd be a uphill battle for her, and I'd worry about the value system the child would grow up with.

All that being said, my Wardens still take her deal.They'd rather live than not.

[Jeffonl1]

It isn't about victory. It's about her sole value in life being acquiring power. I would say Loghain thinks solely of victory, while Morrigan values power in it's own right (both are warped imo.. just for slightly different reasons).

Not sure about that.. She has a goal and will sacrifice almost anything for it. Power seems to be just a means to an end. Perhaps DAI will reveal her end game. If it does maybe we can revise our view of her choices.

[Abelas Forever!]

Not sure about that.. She has a goal and will sacrifice almost anything for it. Power seems to be just a means to an end. Perhaps DAI will reveal her end game. If it does maybe we can revise our view of her choices.

I was thinking this too. Why is she trying to get more power? Is she using it for good or for bad because when we know it then we can evaluate her better.

[Mike3207]

My theory is that she wants to use the God-Child's power to free the mages-but I have nothing to base that on.

[theskymoves]

My theory is that she wants to use the God-Child's power to free the mages-but I have nothing to base that on.

 

That would constitute quite the 180 on her part, considering that she had this to say if the Warden agrees to help Wynne during Broken Circle

 

You want us to assist this preachy schoolmistress? To rescue these pathetic excuses for mages? They allow themselves to be corralled like cattle, mindless. Now their masters have chosen death for them and I say let them have it.

[gottaloveme]

maybe it's about bringing back the old tevinter mage domination. Do an Uldred of sorts (my head cannon). Not to keep the good mages that toe the line but blood mages etc who want out. She doesn't like Wynne but she does want to help Jowan. She seems to prefer people who help themselves. Yes I think she would be a 'good' mother according to her own upbringing, personality and agendas. Her OGB would take precedence over everything else. Kind of ferocious mother bear.

 

And yes - poor Alistair - if any woman had vagina dentata it would be Morrigan.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

At the least, Morrigan will protect the child like she would any important possession she wants to keep and make use of later on. She's been through a lot to acquire it, has little hope of ever having another, so she'll do her best to keep others from stealing this one.

 

That doesn't mean she'll be a good mother.

[Jeffonl1]

And doesn't mean she would not be..

[Xetykins]

When the only childbearing she's ever known is how flemeth raised her, then chances are, she'll raise that child the same way. Although, an old god would probably set her eyebrows on fire when pushed in directions it does not like.

[theskymoves]

When the only childbearing she's ever known is how flemeth raised her, then chances are, she'll raise that child the same way. Although, an old god would probably set her eyebrows on fire when pushed in directions it does not like.

 

I'd pay to see that. And make popcorn.

[Abelas Forever!]

It isn't about victory. It's about her sole value in life being acquiring power. I would say Loghain thinks solely of victory, while Morrigan values power in it's own right (both are warped imo.. just for slightly different reasons).

Loghain has other reasons to betray Cailan than just victory. This is from Dragon Age Wiki (http://dragonage.wik...Loghain_Mac_Tir):

 

 

Rumours circulate that the reason he abandoned Cailan at Ostagar was that Cailan hoped to cement a union of kingdoms with the Orlesians by putting aside Anora, who was believed to be barren, and marrying the Empress Celene.

So Loghain is just protecting his family and that leads him for betraying Cailan and the grey wardens. It's quite sad when you think about it.

 

Morrigan's motives are very unclear but if anyone can raise an OGB it is Morrigan. The methods which she learned from Flemeth are harsh but they also teach the child to take care of himself and he needs those because I think there are many people who wants too have a child like that and are willing to do terrible things to get one.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

And doesn't mean she would not be..

That alone doesn't mean she won't be, no. But we have more information than that. We have Morrigan in DA:O, who sneers at the idea of helping the weak, praises those who seize power at others' expense, mocks compassion, and believes love is a weakness.

I suppose it depends on what one thinks comprises a 'good' mother. When all's said and done though, it doesn't mean her child will grow up to be anything like her.

On the other hand, he could show up in DA:I asking your Inquisitor to slay Morrigan for Flemeth's grimoire. Who knows?

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I have the feeling a child raised the way Morrigan would feel is correct would probably attempt to make himself an orphan as soon as he came into his powers. After all having people know your weaknesses? That's a big no no.

[Jeffonl1]

That alone doesn't mean she won't be, no. But we have more information than that. We have Morrigan in DA:O, who sneers at the idea of helping the weak, praises those who seize power at others' expense, mocks compassion, and believes love is a weakness.I suppose it depends on what one thinks comprises a 'good' mother. When all's said and done though, it doesn't mean her child will grow up to be anything like her.On the other hand, he could show up in DA:I asking your Inquisitor to slay Morrigan for Flemeth's grimoire. Who knows?

Well I like to think that the Warden provided a different world view than Flemeth, and that Morrigan's character evolved, especially if romanced....
But we will soon see! I am really curious to see what role Morrigan plays in DAI

[Abelas Forever!]

I'm not talking about Cailan necessarily. I'm talking about Loghain's general mentality. All of his actions, and his poor way of rationalizing his behavior. His whole speech at the Landsmeet. Even his justifying enslaving elves (which is mostly why I contrast it with Morrigan. Both of them don't care about the elves, but for slightly different reasons). He actually thought he was doing good for Ferelden with slavery, because it was making money to fund the war.

Well he really believes that he is helping Ferelden. I think he is also afraid that Orlais will conquer Ferelden so he is willing to do everything to stop that. I guess he really doesn't know that he needs grey wardens to stop the blight but how could he? Nobody knows that. I'm just saying that he has reasons to do what he does.

[BioWareM0d13]

At the least, Morrigan will protect the child like she would any important possession she wants to keep and make use of later on. She's been through a lot to acquire it, has little hope of ever having another, so she'll do her best to keep others from stealing this one.

 

That doesn't mean she'll be a good mother.

 

Didn't one of the devs say something about Morrigan being a mother bringing out her softer side?

 

Whatever her plans might be (nefarious or not) I think she'll end up the doting mother and love her child. I'd bet on her ending up a better mother than Flemeth.