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[Ryzaki]

I know.. and that's cool.. but I like experiencing things. Not going through a checkbox or whatever. I've always wanted to play an US with Awakening. My first Warden was US, but once the expansion came out, that went out the door.

 

Same made me fear abit that DR would become the "canon" ending thankfully that "DR always happens" thread put those fears to rest.

 

I don't hate the wardens. Duncan's stupid over the top secrecy was the actual problem. I'm pretty sure most wardens would've been able to persuade Alistair to tolerate Loghain long enough for them to throw him at the archedemon. (One would also think Riordan would've brought it up when he saw how adament the wardens can be to *not* recruit Loghain but for some reason common sense goes flying out the window so we can get the DR dilemma). And of course the lack of ability to grab a few Warden recruits for backup scenarios since there's so few of them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 avril 2014 - 06:34 .

[Shadow Fox]

I wouldn't say they are aiming for that per se. It all depends on your characters' beginnings. Every Origin story has you either willfully joining or being conscripted to the Wardens. Some make it easier than others. Your path aims in these two ways from the start of the game to the finish. Everything revolves around loving or hating the Grey Wardens.

 

After your Origin story, in Ostagar, you're given subliminal type of messages further urging you one way or another. The game is biased towards you accepting your lot as Warden, but those who remain bitter will find something interesting about Loghain. Your given little chances here and there to express hatred of the Wardens as time goes on, just like he did. It finally culminates at the Landsmeet. If you're the type of character who bought into Alistair's "Oh, the poor Wardens.. poor Duncan dying at Ostagar" schtick, you'll probably be relishing the thought of killing Loghain by the time you meet him. For those who don't, you'll probably spare Loghain and bid Alistair farewell. Only those who loved the Grey Wardens will feel backed into a corner with the Dark Ritual. It's not as relevant otherwise.

 

You're right about Alistair's romance being screwy either way though.

 

edit: It should be mentioned that Flemeth is also pointing to some of this. She emphasizes Loghain a couple of times, and how you must deal with him. Then in Lothering, Morrigan suggests cutting to chase and going after Loghain right away. Both of them are likeminded with Alistair on Loghain, but for different reasons. The game is pretty heavy handed about encouraging you to think like this, all under the guise of honoring your Grey Warden "duty". Your real escape is to hate "duty" to begin with.

Or you'll kill him for being a slaver,poisoning Eamon,trying to kill you or just because you don't like him.

[Shadow Fox]

Each origin can produce reasons to not care about the first two. As for the last - simply not liking him - that's fair enough.

 

A Dalish can find out that her parents were attacked by both humans AND city elves. She could be so bitter that their entire fate doesn't matter. Eamon is just some old conservative human noble who believes stupid b.s. like royal bloodlines and the like. No big loss there.

 

Not that I take this stance all the time, but it depends.

Simply pointing out *again* you don't have to be pro-warden or Alistair's friend to want Loghain dead.

 

For example:

 

I'm not going to work with someone who tried to kill me and since I find slavery and attempted murder of an innocent abhorrent I'm not giving him a hero's death by Archdemon.

[Shadow Fox]

 

Keep in mind, you don't have to defend your point of view. I didn't say you had to play a certain way. I'm just saying that Loghain is an axis point on your own Warden's fate. Duncan, Morrigan, and Loghain represent the different fates of your character, in a way. I'm simply responding to the idea earlier that the writers are only pushing us towards Morrigan. They don't. They push us to Duncan, Morrigan, or Loghain.

 

It's all symbolized in this old poster actually: http://nxe.weebly.co...onagenxe001.jpg

Oh I wasn't, just giving an example and the *again* wasn't in exasperation I just meant I said the same thing in an older thread.

[Ryzaki]

Each origin can produce reasons to not care about the first two. As for the last - simply not liking him - that's fair enough.

 

A Dalish can find out that her parents were attacked by both humans AND city elves. She could be so bitter that their entire fate doesn't matter. Eamon is just some old conservative human noble who believes stupid b.s. like royal bloodlines and the like. No big loss there.

 

Not that I take this stance all the time, but it depends.

 

CE isn't going to care that he tried to enslave his/her father and did enslave Valedrian? I mean...yeah if you're playing a douchecanoe character sure but the average CE is going to be pretty damn pissed off that his/her people were the ones being sold off as cattle to fix BS that Logain caused. (really my CE and HNs are the characters that don't even consider making Riordan's "wait" pleas. OFF WITH HIS HEAD).

[Ryzaki]

Well, of course CE wouldn't. When I say "each", I don't mean each in every context. Just that there are a variety of ways for different origins to play.. but of course, if your own origin is affected, there's even less chance. I thought that was obvious.

 

Ah true. My bad

 

Eh Loghain's fate seemed pretty cut and dried. It really didn't help that he's pretty much a raving control freak lunatic until you recruit him. And at that point it's too little too late.

 

Edit: But I did feel the devs were pushing the DR hard. Only being able to make Loghain and only Loghain a warden is what gets me. You have the means to produce more wardens. Riordan knows the benefits of more wardens and yet you don't. So you're stuck either having Alistair do the DR, do it yourself (if male) or spare Loghain, lose Alistair or have Loghain do the DR.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 avril 2014 - 07:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Is he a control freak? He just dismisses Cailan for believing in "legends". "Let us attend to reality". He's very down to earth, even if a jerk. And fugly. But not a lunatic.

 

As for his ravings, I was impressed. With the actor and character alike. He's one of the only people who come off like a badass general. The other is Sophia Dryden.

 

Him trying to wrest control from Anora is what I mean by a control freak. And that raving about Alistair being an Orlesian puppet (Like really if my PC was Orlesian he/she would've laughed and left Fereldan to it's miserable fate) didn't do him any favors.

 

I was fine with him til he started sending assassins after my PC and causing a civil war like a twit.

 

Oh crap. It's happening! An Alistair thread is turning into a Loghain thread! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

XD

[Shadow Fox]

CE isn't going to care that he tried to enslave his/her father and did enslave Valedrian? I mean...yeah if you're playing a douchecanoe character sure but the average CE is going to be pretty damn pissed off that his/her people were the ones being sold off as cattle to fix BS that Logain caused. (really my CE and HNs are the characters that don't even consider making Riordan's "wait" pleas. OFF WITH HIS HEAD).

A Casteless or Mage probably wouldn't be too keen on the slavery bit either.

 

That said it'd be easy to roleplay a racist scumbag DE,DN or HN who wouldn't care.

[Ryzaki]

A Casteless or Mage probably wouldn't be too keen on the slavery bit either.

 

That said it'd be easy to roleplay a racist scumbag DE,DN or HN who wouldn't care.

 

True.

 

And yeah though I always play my HN as awesome gets along with everyone people :3 Cousland power

 

 

Is that a common occurance? I'll stop.

 

Bwahahaha don't worry about it. It's a *extremely* common occurrence. Hell I think it's practically expected at this point. Loghain threads turn into Alistair threads and Alistair threads turn into Loghain threads XD

[Shadow Fox]

True.

 

And yeah though I always play my HN as awesome gets along with everyone people :3 Cousland power

 

 

 

Bwahahaha don't worry about it. It's a *extremely* common occurrence. Hell I think it's practically expected at this point. Loghain threads turn into Alistair threads and Alistair threads turn into Loghain threads XD

Same though my City Elves and Mages choose Bhelen because they sympathize with the Casteless and Bhelen though a smarmy bastard does seem to give a damn about them.

[Ryzaki]

I'm always tempted to play as the guy who does everything right (besides, you get rewarded the best that way.. both in DAO and in your imports), but I never have a good mental reason to do so. It starts to break my own immersion... because these type of characters start seeming like Saints at times. And then I have to wonder what kind of backstory created this person to become such a saint. And then I get tired of thinking about it and delete the character. lol

 

Ah. I can come up with it quite easily. Both in DAO and ME. Course some backgrounds lead to it much easier than others (HN and Mage are usually my uber good guys while my CEs tend to be those willing to be a bit more flexible). If I could stand the constant looking up my more muwahahaha kill the puppies characters would be DN and DC instead of just my jerkwad mage). But I have lots of fun playing uber good, uber evil, and in between. (I adore aggressive Hawke though I didn't like helpful Hawke...probably because he really felt off to me. Snarky Hawke worked excellently though.) I did have a human supremacist HN (who romanced Zev for extra lolz) that was fun.

 

Same though my City Elves and Mages choose Bhelen because they sympathize with the Casteless and Bhelen though a smarmy bastard does seem to give a damn about them.

 

Yeah I'm starting to pick Bhelen more often. I usually just went with Harrowmont cause I found his quests faster /lazy

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, I find HN and Mage a bit easier too. Hell, they can write you in that corner right at the start of HN, where your family rules with "justice and temperance" (I'll remind you that "temperance" is also the name of Sebastian's bow. Heh). This is different than it being open ended like your choice with Tamlen and the humans in the Dalish origin.

 

But either way, the events start accumulating to the point where the main character can do so much good that they look like Jesus or Mary. And I find it unbelievable.

 

Eh it never gets that bad to me. But this is one of those YMMV situations.

[KaiserShep]

That reminds me.. since my first Warden was a US playthrough. I believed in the whole "Duty" thing then. lol

 

It's because of Bioware that I began to explore my other options.. and in doing so, started hating the Wardens.

 

Yeah, that happened for me too, but in my first playthrough. I didn't even care about this duty stuff from the start, and I jumped at the Dark Ritual right off the bat.