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[Xilizhra]

So, you are going to hate any group because of the abuses of some?  Sorry I tend to judge the individual not the fighting school he or she attended.

It's not actually abuse of the law, but a literal legal privilege.

[Hellion Rex]

I can understand, given the visit to Denerim, but there's a really good guy in the novel who is a chevalier.

I certainly wouldn't mind having Ser Michel as a companion!

[Lulupab]

Lol fereldans have servants, does that make everyone in fereldan a magister equivalent as well?

Also never remember hearing any stories of orlisians going on slaver expeditions to kidnap people from other countries, or having to break up any orlesian slaver rings.

Meanwhile we had to do that twice for the imperium in 2 different countries.

 

Servants are paid and are not controlled any way especially after their work hours.

 

Its a established fact that many of Orlesian nobles have slaves. They even enslaved humans from cities they conquered.

[The Elder King]

Servants are paid and are not controlled any way especially after their work hours.
 
Its a established fact that many of Orlesian nobles have slaves. They even enslaved humans from cities they conquered.

Where was the last part (enslaving humans) stated?

[wcholcombe]

Servants are paid and are not controlled any way especially after their work hours.

 

Its a established fact that many of Orlesian nobles have slaves. They even enslaved humans from cities they conquered.

It isn't established fact.  We have references to fiona and such, but all of those were hidden cases, there is no blatant outside practice of slavery in Orlais.  Conditions for commoners are worse than in ferelden, but that doesn't make them slaves.

 

The established fact is Slavery is outlawed in Orlais.

[Divine Justinia V]

It isn't established fact.  We have references to fiona and such, but all of those were hidden cases, there is no blatant outside practice of slavery in Orlais.  Conditions for commoners are worse than in ferelden, but that doesn't make them slaves.

 

The established fact is Slavery is outlawed in Orlais.

 

It's pretty common for Nobles to have Elven slaves regardless of laws, that is an established fact from the wiki and codex.

However, the laws have been more strict since Celene has been ruler -- but that doesn't mean it's completely done and over with.

[Lulupab]

Where was the last part (enslaving humans) stated?

 

They enslaved Ferelden and its people to do their bidding. To what extent however is unknown.

 

Edit: Yes codex confirms slavery fully exists on Orlais. Not on Nevarra though

[Cainhurst Crow]

It's pretty common for Nobles to have Elven slaves regardless of laws, that is an established fact from the wiki and codex.

However, the laws have been more strict since Celene has been ruler -- but that doesn't mean it's completely done and over with.

 

I don't think that compares or even comes close to the imperiums slavery operations, so trying to say the two are the same is pretty disingenuous to say the least.

 

We're talking scale, plus working condition, plus life expectancy, and all adding up to tevinter being worse, especially from what we were shown from origins and dragon age 2.

[The Elder King]

They enslaved Ferelden and its people to do their bidding. To what extent however is unknown.

They subjugated it, and put the population in the same situation the commoners in Orlais are. That doesn't mean they were slaves.

[Lulupab]

They subjugated it, and put the population in the same situation the commoners in Orlais are. That doesn't mean they were slaves.

 

I used the word "enslaved". The same word was used in codex and said by Loghain among other things he says about Orlais. Some of west Ferelden originally belonged to Orlais and when Ferelden conquered there they did no such thing. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Servants are paid and are not controlled any way especially after their work hours.

 

Its a established fact that many of Orlesian nobles have slaves. They even enslaved humans from cities they conquered.

 

Established fact eh?

 

So far its happened once that we can confirm ._.

 

And those are elves, not humans.

[Lulupab]

Established fact eh?

 

So far its happened once that we can confirm ._.

 

And those are elves, not humans.

Codex.

[Master Warder Z_]

Codex.

 

Hyperbole

[Cainhurst Crow]

Codex.

 

Source please.

[The Elder King]

I used the word "enslaved". The same word was used in codex and said by Loghain among other things he says about Orlais. Some of west Ferelden originally belonged to Orlais and when Ferelden conquered there they did no such thing.

And yet there's no reference of Orlais using humans or Fereldans as slaves.
I don't get your last part. You mean that Fereldans didn't treat the former Orlesian territory as Orlesians did to them? How it is relevant? I fully believe Fereldans are better than Orlesians.

[wcholcombe]

I used the word "enslaved". The same word was used in codex and said by Loghain among other things he says about Orlais. Some of west Ferelden originally belonged to Orlais and when Ferelden conquered there they did no such thing. 

Yes, because Loghain the slave marketer is a good source for what is and isn't slavery. Or an objective source on Orlais period.

[Lulupab]

"Although slavery is illegal in Orlais, it is still not unheard of for wealthy nobles to own elven slaves. In recent years, though, the laws against slavery have become more strictly upheld. Empress Celene may have been instrumental in this change of policy."

 

"Orlesian commoners are at the mercy of the nation's needs in a way that the nobility, and even the Chantry (including the Circle of Magi and Templar Order), are not. During war times, press gangs led by the nobility commonly force Orlesian peasants into military service willingly or no. Those who are not conscripted may be left starving by the demands of the army or else taken as slaves"

 

Also according to the calling The lot of elves in Orlais is unique as well, even from the common classes. Servitude, often bearing little difference from outlawed slavery is the existence of many. There is a huge difference between servitude in Ferelden and Orlais.

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Slavery

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Orlais

[wcholcombe]

They enslaved Ferelden and its people to do their bidding. To what extent however is unknown.

 

Edit: Yes codex confirms slavery fully exists on Orlais. Not on Nevarra though

The Wiki confirms slavery is outlawed in Orlais.  Does it still occur? Sure, but not on some grand scale.  Murder is illegal in Ferelden, but it occurs all the time.

[Lulupab]

The Wiki confirms slavery is outlawed in Orlais.  Does it still occur? Sure, but not on some grand scale.  Murder is illegal in Ferelden, but it occurs all the time.

 

Its all thanks to Celene. Before her it was quite common.

[LobselVith8]

I certainly wouldn't mind having Ser Michel as a companion!

 

Spoiler

I think the end of "The Masked Empire" suggests it's possible, or at the very least, he might be encountered for a specific quest. I thought he was an interesting character, and it's interesting how he diligently kept to his code, even in the face of losing everything he's fought for his entire life.

[wcholcombe]

"Although slavery is illegal in Orlais, it is still not unheard of for wealthy nobles to own elven slaves. In recent years, though, the laws against slavery have become more strictly upheld. Empress Celene may have been instrumental in this change of policy."

 

"Orlesian commoners are at the mercy of the nation's needs in a way that the nobility, and even the Chantry (including the Circle of Magi and Templar Order), are not. During war times, press gangs led by the nobility commonly force Orlesian peasants into military service willingly or no.[40] Those who are not conscripted may be left starving by the demands of the army or else taken as slaves"

 

Also according to the calling The lot of elves in Orlais is unique as well, even from the common classes. Servitude, often bearing little difference from outlawed slavery is the existence of many. There is a huge difference between servitude in Ferelden and Orlais.

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Slavery

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Orlais

Let me give the whole line about the those not taken by the army-Those who are not conscripted may be left starving by the demands of the army or else taken as slaves by opportunistic bandits- ie outlaws.

 

and not unheard of, hardly makes it common practice.

 

Actually from what I have read in Mask of the Empire, Orlais city elves may actually have it better than ferelden ones.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its all thanks to Celene. Before her it was quite common.

Speculation and Hyperbole.

[Master Warder Z_]

Let me give the whole line about the those not taken by the army-Those who are not conscripted may be left starving by the demands of the army or else taken as slaves by opportunistic bandits- ie outlaws.

 

and not unheard of, hardly makes it common practice.

 

Actually from what I have read in Mask of the Empire, Orlais city elves may actually have it better than ferelden ones.

 

Leliana said as much to a city elf back in Origins.

 

Elven Servants with Servants and all.

[wcholcombe]

Spoiler

I think the end of "The Shadow Empire" suggests it's possible, or at the very least, he might be encountered for a specific quest. I thought he was an interesting character, and it's interesting how he diligently kept to his code, even in the face of losing everything he's fought for his entire life.

you mean mask of the empire? or is that a chapter?

[Lulupab]

Let me give the whole line about the those not taken by the army-Those who are not conscripted may be left starving by the demands of the army or else taken as slaves by opportunistic bandits- ie outlaws.

 

and not unheard of, hardly makes it common practice.

 

Actually from what I have read in Mask of the Empire, Orlais city elves may actually have it better than ferelden ones.

 

And you think anyone cares to stop those outlaws? not. at. all.

 

Orlais grants a very tiny opportunity for elves to rise to become servants to nobility and have servants of their own. But its a very little chance, as little as a human rising up in ranks in Orlais.