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[wcholcombe]

And a little more from the Wiki:

 

Fereldan law is relatively unregulated compared to that of older nations, and is expected on an individual level to be supplemented by one's martial prowess. Indeed, most petty crimes like theft are overlooked by the city guard in Denerim, whose main concern is protecting their posts.^[26] Consequently, the common Fereldan should not expect much help fending off criminal activity unless murder or major property damage has occurred.^[26]Slavery is illegal in Ferelden, but criminals still practice it in secret.

There are no laws regulating personal behavior such as bearing arms, drinking, gambling and prostitution.^[26] Similarly, local prejudices and violence against non-human residents—notably alienage elves—often go unpunished. In part this is pragmatism, as Ferelden king's law states that killing a human in defense of an elf is a crime

[The Elder King]

In few events we saw that Ferelden does not really conscript. There is harsh punishment for deserting but no one conscripted anyone. Joining the army happens willingly. That's just how the devs want to portray Ferelden. More liberal than all thedas.

Where it was stated that other countries conscript people during peaceful times?

[Master Warder Z_]

Can we get back to how some of us want a Chevalier in the party again?

[Divine Justinia V]

By that logic all nobles should die because they are rapist based on the city elf origin. Judge people on what they do but not on what others do.(But have your knife ready and sharp just incase.)

 

Listen, for my own very personal reasons I dislike Chevaliers. I don't usually do that, I won't judge all Templars because of Meredith's lunacy or Ser Varnell's bigotry -- because I've seen good Templars. I've yet to be impressed by a Chevalier, so until Aprill 11th when that book is delivered to my house, I will judge them as I see fit.

 

I'm willing to change my mind, to see another side of them, but until then that's that. For me.

 

I also kind of agree with your statement. This is a just a different case for me.

[wcholcombe]

Can we get back to how some of us want a Chevalier in the party again?

I do have one concern, I don't know that I want him running around with a big yellow feather sticking out of his helmet.

[CybAnt1]

I would love a chevalier class. Or maybe just a warrior specialization. It could be quite dandy. I would make them the masters of mounted combat.

 

But first, I think, they would need to implement mounted combat in the game, and I don't think they're doing it for DAI. 

[wcholcombe]

I would love a chevalier class. Or maybe just a warrior specialization. It could be quite dandy. I would make them the masters of mounted combat.

 

But first, I think, they would need to implement mounted combat in the game, and I don't think they're doing it for DAI. 

oh that is a good idea.....Find a Chevalier to teach the sword techniques and unlock it as a specialization......Hopefully one that allows you to string multiple sword attacks together greatly depleating your stamina.  But as you become more skilled you use up less stamina......

[TheKomandorShepard]

Officially they are not. Law is subjective based on authority. It only becomes objective if everyone abides, recognize, and submit to them. Even then defferent places have different laws.

Not rly when law in orlais for example forbids killing another person it is ignored in orlais so such activity are officially forbidden by law but as leliana said authorities in orlais close eyes on breaking the law but still officially such activites are breaking law but corruption makes it simple not enforced in reality it is even not officially.officially bard on parites is only for entertainment not officially he servs doing illegal activities gosh...

 

 

Where are bards illegal or outlawed?  Talk about making something up.

 

BTW, my source for laws in Ferelden-Wiki

Ferelden is a relatively temperate nation in the far southeast of Thedas, historically populated by a simple militaristic culture that has only begun to "civilize" in the last few centuries. The Andrastian Chantry is now revered by the 90% of the population.^[2]Fereldan cities are considered virtually anarchic by the standards of most outsiders. The Fereldan desire for freedom has engendered a cultural mistrust of law enforcement, and 'laissez-faire' attitudes in general. While the worst offenses are quickly put down, many others are ignored and citizens are often left to make their own justice. Petty theft is common, as guardsmen will only go out of their way to deal with serious disruptions. Commerce is given little official scrutiny as long as taxes are paid; businesses such as brothels and gambling halls are not only tolerated, but expected.^[21]

 

But nice argument to try and say I just made it up.

^

And thats isn't even true as we know that even corrupted guards that was from howe was dealing with small problems like mercenaries in tavern , the warden will be attacked by law enforcers if he will be caught on steeling in denerim , and leliana in leliana song was attacked by guards for same so nope it isn't close to truth... (so it is either mistake or simple from perspective person in-universe that is wrong)
 

[Master Warder Z_]

I do have one concern, I don't know that I want him running around with a big yellow feather sticking out of his helmet.

 

...But the Plume is needed!

 

You're dealing with an Orlaisian Knightly Order!

 

Not the bloody Carta!

[Divine Justinia V]

...But the Plume is needed!

 

You're dealing with an Orlaisian Knightly Order!

 

Not the bloody Carta!

 

Orlesian *

I guess even God makes typos

 

and the Plume is indeed needed.

[wcholcombe]

Not rly when law in orlais for example forbids killing another person it is ignored in orlais so such activity are officially forbidden by law but as leliana said authorities in orlais close eyes on breaking the law but still officially such activites are breaking law but corruption makes it simple not enforced in reality it is even not officially.officially bard on parites is only for entertainment not officially he servs doing illegal activities gosh...

 

 

^

And thats isn't even true as we know that even corrupted guards that was from howe was dealing with small problems like mercenaries in tavern , the warden will be attacked by law enforcers if he will be caught on steeling in denerim , and leliana in leliana song was attacked by guards for same so nope it isn't close to truth... (so it is either mistake or simple from perspective person in-universe that is wrong)
 

ok, fine, just wave aside established lore because it doesn't suit your personal opinion of what Ferelden society is. Not to mention Laidlaw and Gaider saying the same things before DAO came out as part of the explanation for why guards and such will rarely care if you kill or steal something.  But you enjoy your little world KS.

[CybAnt1]

Are we talking about bards in this thread, too? 

 

It seems bards in Thedas have a rep they don't normally have in other games. While in games like Bard's Tale (2004), they do have a rep for being scoundrels, mountebanks, and con men singing and strumming for their supper (but they're basically the typical "whores with a good heart"), constantly searching for "cleavage and coin" ... DA bards (like Leliana and Marjorlaine) seem to specialize in slightly more dark arts of seduction and assassination. 

 

I always sort of waited for a lore update that would clarify that maybe bards in other parts of Thedas don't have this rep, since "real world" bards are mostly like Varric or maybe "Chaucer" in the Knight's Tale; people gifted with musical, rhetorical, and oratorical talent. Of course, to make them playable characters, this usually translates into more "fantastic" abilities that buff and augment the party with song, or magically charm and control or fascinate others with music. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Orlesian *

I guess even God makes typos

 

and the Plume is indeed needed.

 

Wait...Its spelled in English "Orlais*

 

Where the bloody hell does that E come from?

 

._. Its like the bloody Danes all over again! 

 

Go back to Denmark!

[TheKomandorShepard]

ok, fine, just wave aside established lore because it doesn't suit your personal opinion of what Ferelden society is. Not to mention Laidlaw and Gaider saying the same things before DAO came out as part of the explanation for why guards and such will rarely care if you kill or steal something.  But you enjoy your little world KKS.

Yeah they don't care when i steal ups they just attacked me for stealing   another matter is that that even CG says that howe gave him guards corrupted and criminal-like... and yet i encountered resistance for petty theft same with leliana so well i will ejnoy my little world that was shown in practice   

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah they don't care when i steal ups they just attacked me for stealing   another matter is that that even CG says that howe gave him guards corrupted and criminal-like... and yet i encountered resistance for petty theft same with leliana so well i will ejnoy my little world that was shown in practice 

 

There is a wide difference between Gameplay and Lore you realize?

 

Ultimately Lore comes before gameplay though.

[TheKomandorShepard]

There is a wide difference between Gameplay and Lore you realize?

 

Ultimately Lore comes before gameplay though.

 

Gameplay is killing enemies not dialogues and cutscenes both belong to story not gameplay

[Divine Justinia V]

Wait...Its spelled in English "Orlais*

 

Where the bloody hell does that E come from?

 

._. Its like the bloody Danes all over again! 

 

Go back to Denmark!

 

Ask Gaider

[wcholcombe]

Yeah they don't care when i steal ups they just attacked me for stealing   another matter is that that even CG says that howe gave him guards corrupted and criminal-like... and yet i encountered resistance for petty theft same with leliana so well i will ejnoy my little world that was shown in practice   

Ok, I stole all the time in my play throughs and even broke into other peoples locked property in front of them and no attacked me?  I killed people in Taverns, on the roads, in Denerim and rarely had an issue with guards. At times I did, but not often.  I murdered people in lothering, I murdered a guy in Ostagar, I murdered many people and rarely if ever did someone call the cops or try to arrest me.

 

I mean seriously if someone was going to care, wouldn't they care in lothering when I steal their supplies they desperately need?

[Master Warder Z_]

Ask Gaider

 

 I do believe i shall.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Slavery has a bad reputation <_<''

How can it have anything but?

[CybAnt1]

Ask Gaider

 

Why are the people of Thedas "Theodosian" and not "Thedan"? 

 

I've met people who are from Alameda, California. They usually call themselves "Alamedans" not "Alameodosians". 

 

In the ancient world, people from Thebes were not called "Theobosians". 

 

I personally think one reason is so people won't confuse inhabitants of the DAverse with the "Thetans" of Scientology. 

[wcholcombe]

How can it have anything but?

I believe he is making a joke about how often slavery gets brought up in our forum discussions.

[Master Warder Z_]

How can it have anything but?

 

Eh i suppose that's true, from a personal or even a cultural perspective.

 

But it also gave us marvels, industry and economy.

 

Wonders the world has not seen since were constructed using enforced labor.

 

Am i advocating its return? No, But i acknowledge what people motivated enough to go out and conscript labor accomplished with it.

[Master Warder Z_]

I believe he is making a joke about how often slavery gets brought up in our forum discussions.

 

That too.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ok, I stole all the time in my play throughs and even broke into other peoples locked property in front of them and no attacked me?  I killed people in Taverns, on the roads, in Denerim and rarely had an issue with guards. At times I did, but not often.  I murdered people in lothering, I murdered a guy in Ostagar, I murdered many people and rarely if ever did someone call the cops or try to arrest me.

First it had to be because you were never caught so how someone could attack you when you never was caught? If you are caught in denerim or dalish camp peoples will attack you for that (in first guards in second hunters when you will travel).And we assume that you were caught on those thing if you try steal in ostagar and fail guard will be pissed and try do something about that but duncan will pull grey warden above your word so you are saved.So i doubt that other try punish you for theft when you are caught but not for murder so either you weren't caught or simple current condition like redcliff hardly allows on that in chaos.