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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Eh i suppose that's true, from a personal or even a cultural perspective.

 

But it also gave us marvels, industry and economy.

 

Wonders the world has not seen since were constructed using enforced labor.

 

Am i advocating its return? No, But i acknowledge what people motivated enough to go out and conscript labor accomplished with it.

I'll admit that without slavery we will not be nearly as advanced as we are today, but as you said in every other regard it is viewed as negative. It's like nuclear weapons being frowned upon. Yes, the two dropped killed tens of thousands of people yet spared the lives of at least 5 times that. Doesn't stop them from still having a negative connotation. 

[wcholcombe]

I killed the deserter in the middle of the camp, no one cared except that guy who came up and didn't care after I told him the unarmed guy in the cage lunged at me.

How was I not caught picking a locked chest with the owner practically sitting on it they were standing so close?

 

You do realize there is a difference between gameplay and plot events.

Also, the dalish aren't ferelden, so they don't affect ferelden law.

 

I murdered those soldiers loghain left in Lothering in that bar after they surrendered, no one cared. 

 

The lore takes precedence over gameplay mechanics.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'll admit that without slavery we will not be nearly as advanced as we are today, but as you said in every other regard it is viewed as negative. It's like nuclear weapons being frowned upon. Yes, the two dropped killed tens of thousands of people yet spared the lives of at least 5 times that. Doesn't stop them from still having a negative connotation. 

 

Operation Downfall had a lot of issues Probably for the best it never happened.

[wcholcombe]

I'll admit that without slavery we will not be nearly as advanced as we are today, but as you said in every other regard it is viewed as negative. It's like nuclear weapons being frowned upon. Yes, the two dropped killed tens of thousands of people yet spared the lives of at least 5 times that. Doesn't stop them from still having a negative connotation. 

"Capt. Ramsey: You do qualify your remarks. If someone asked me if we should bomb Japan, a simple "Yes." By all means sir, drop that #$@4er, twice!"

[TheKomandorShepard]

I killed the deserter in the middle of the camp, no one cared except that guy who came up and didn't care after I told him the unarmed guy in the cage lunged at me.

How was I not caught picking a locked chest with the owner practically sitting on it they were standing so close?

 

You do realize there is a difference between gameplay and plot events.

Also, the dalish aren't ferelden, so they don't affect ferelden law.

 

I murdered those soldiers loghain left in Lothering in that bar after they surrendered, no one cared. 

 

The lore takes precedence over gameplay mechanics.

 

Hmm you i do but it seem that you don't understand it i will show something to you here first you are killing him and you are saying that you will frame him that first second see that he killed him in front of duncan but duncan said nothing do you rly think that it would end that way when you murder someone when you gives you lecture for stealing? So yes gameplay here same with chest that npc was next to you in gameplay doesn't mean that he was there in story same that the warden killed him in middle camp not when messanger was in discrate place and still warden said he will frame him.
 

As i said gameplay is everything outside cutscenes and dialogues those belong to story sometimes gameplay affect story sometimes not.

 

I know they aren't i just mentioned them as one of the group that punish you for stealing.

 

Yoy killd them they were making troubles bartenders said you so you can also say that you killed them guy in front of tavern (he don't know thats you but know they were killed ) that you killed him and he will thank you another thing that you be informed that all soldiers were send to ostagar well you can only know what happened with them so outside templars who were helping survivors and couldn't even deal with bandits there were no law enforcers.  

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think a chevalier could come in handy for us approaching orlais and trying to get their help in dealing with the fade tears. Surely a chevalier and a bard could be useful should we need it.

Also, I heard someone in the thread before talking about a chevalier specialization? If It were up to me, I'd make it a talent that focuses on one handed sword techniques without a shield. That way you could fight using a sword just as you would sometimes see in battle, rather then using a ridiculously long sword.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think a chevalier could come in handy for us approaching orlais and trying to get their help in dealing with the fade tears. Surely a chevalier and a bard could be useful should we need it.

Also, I heard someone in the thread before talking about a chevalier specialization? If It were up to me, I'd make it a talent that focuses on one handed sword techniques without a shield. That way you could fight using a sword just as you would sometimes see in battle, rather then using a ridiculously long sword.

 

Oi the Long sword is an art form!

 

You want to work a dirk, work a dirk but don't insult swords by calling it one!

[Cainhurst Crow]

No. Not a longsword. I'd personally prefer a Arming Sword over a long sword.

Not that we get longswords in this game. This is what a Longsword looks like. This is a Claymore, what many consider to be a greatsword, bigger then a longsword.

This is a dragon age two handed sword. It's ridiculous.

There is no reason I can't use a one handed sword without a shield, seeing as how that's suppose to be how a longsword is used, with an arming sword used in pair with the shield. Much less that the only alternative is to use a behemoth of a buster sword if I want to go sheildelsss.

This is all, of course, off topic to what we were talking about.

[Master Warder Z_]

If we are going by preference i'd prefer a saber esc estoch, Over a Long Blade but we are arguing swordsmanship.

 

Yes there are many classes of blade that are perfectly fine for work with out a shield, but many heavy infantrymen employed both use of lance and blade with a shield, Given that it gave them far more options then merely attempting parries or deflections using the blade in question while slogging about in heavy mail. So it makes sense for that aspect of a game, but i do agree with the notion you can find classes of blade that don't require one.

 

I admit that the claymores and greatswords used in DA and DA 2 are a bit over the top... But for the most part Claymores are supposed to be at least 55 to 60 inches in length.

 

Overall DA is fairly unique in its usage of...swords ._.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I just really wish for a shieldless fencing style, or just one handed style, that could have some cool moves to it. Sabers are a good choice though. Nice.

[wcholcombe]

Don't be messing with my two handed chevalier spec.......

[leaguer of one]

Not rly when law in orlais for example forbids killing another person it is ignored in orlais so such activity are officially forbidden by law but as leliana said authorities in orlais close eyes on breaking the law but still officially such activites are breaking law but corruption makes it simple not enforced in reality it is even not officially.officially bard on parites is only for entertainment not officially he servs doing illegal activities gosh...

 

 

 

 

No really . Law is subjective. It based on if and who enforces these laws. If a law is made and no one follows it or enforces it, it becomes pointless. Corruption or not makes no difference. It's the people  of the state that makes the laws and these people select agree who enforces them and make sure they are done correctly. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I just really wish for a shieldless fencing style, or just one handed style, that could have some cool moves to it. Sabers are a good choice though. Nice.

 

Makes sense, i agree but that class would have quite a few faults in DA a universe were men are clad in inch after inch of platemail, heavy chain and hulburk, Dueling blades have trouble penetrating armor after all, designed for flesh, not steel.

 

Same issue with the Katana.

 

And yeah i quite enjoyed saber when i took it back at university, it was my first glimpse into what actual swordsmanship used to be, strength, speed and skill in making a blade reach it's target while the opponent did the same. It also gave me a bit of pleasure i knowing i was half decent at it but also humbled me knowing that there are plenty better then me out there

 

Estoc's kick ass though.

[renfrees]

Typical knight weaponry were heavy spear and bastard sword (claymore), the length of the sword was around 120cm, with 30cm as a grip (XIV-XVI cc). Before that knight's sword was around 90cm length and 5-7cm width.

[CybAnt1]

I think a chevalier could come in handy for us approaching orlais and trying to get their help in dealing with the fade tears. Surely a chevalier and a bard could be useful should we need it.

Also, I heard someone in the thread before talking about a chevalier specialization? If It were up to me, I'd make it a talent that focuses on one handed sword techniques without a shield. That way you could fight using a sword just as you would sometimes see in battle, rather then using a ridiculously long sword.

 

Well, it seems odd to have chevaliers without mounted combat. After all, it comes from the French word for "horse"(cheval). That was the role cavaliers traditionally played in armies (mounted charges), btw, well into the 20th century, even after armies began adding tanks and motor vehicles. Charge of the cavalry ... 

 

The D & D cavalier class focused on mounted warfare. 

http://dndtools.eu/classes/cavalier/

[BlueMagitek]

Sure, why not?  I'd also like a Chevalier skill tree, if at all possible.  ~_^

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, it seems odd to have chevaliers without mounted combat. After all, it comes from the French word for "horse"(cheval). That was the role cavaliers traditionally played in armies (mounted charges), btw, well into the 20th century, even after armies began adding tanks and motor vehicles. Charge of the cavalry ... 

 

The D & D cavalier class focused on mounted warfare. 

http://dndtools.eu/classes/cavalier/

Chevaliers aren't just Cavaliers.

[Master Warder Z_]

Chevaliers aren't just Cavaliers.

 

Just like Knights aren't necessarily mounted cavalry, they can also be heavy infantry.

[CybAnt1]

Only difference is, the word "Knight" doesn't mean "horseman". "Chevalier"does. "Cheval" is the French word for horse, a "chevalier" ("caballero" in Spanish) thus means ... "horseman".    

 

A chevalier who fights as a footman is ... linguistic balderdash. 

 

http://www.etymonlin...earch=chevalier

 

chevalier (n.)  late 13c., Anglo-French chivaler "mounted knight," Old French chevalier "knight, horseman, knight in chess" (12c., Modern French chevaler), from Late Latin caballarius "horseman" (source of Provençal cavallier, Spanish caballero, Portuguesecavalleiro, Italian cavaliere; see cavalier (n.))

[wcholcombe]

Well in mask of the empire they have demonstrated their skill without a horse. Plus, I believe no mounted combat has been confirmed.

[Master Warder Z_]

 

Only difference is, the word "Knight" doesn't mean "horseman". "Chevalier"does. "Cheval" is the French word for horse, a "chevalier" ("caballero" in Spanish) thus means ... "horseman".    

 

A chevalier who fights as a footman is ... linguistic balderdash. 

 

http://www.etymonlin...earch=chevalier

 

chevalier (n.)  late 13c., Anglo-French chivaler "mounted knight," Old French chevalier "knight, horseman, knight in chess" (12c., Modern French chevaler), from Late Latin caballarius "horseman" (source of Provençal cavallier, Spanish caballero, Portuguesecavalleiro, Italian cavaliere; see cavalier (n.))

 

 

You're acting like Bioware isn't capable of making use of "Linguistic balderdash" though.

 

They will decide what their "mounted knights" can or can't be 

[CybAnt1]

Oh, I understand. The DA Wiki describes the in-game Chevaliers simply as a knightly/chivalric order of Orlais, without reference to how they fight.

 

And that's fine, since you're right there will be no mounted combat, probably not even in cutscenes, we probably won't be seeing them fighting. 

 

I think I was just stating that it wouldn't make sense to add a chevalier to the party or a chevalier spec to the game without mounted combat. Maybe in DA4. 

[Reznore57]

In French Chevalier = Knight.

We say Chevaliers de La Table Ronde for Knights of the Round Table.

"Cavalier " is closer to horseman than Chevalier.

Seeing a Chevalier without his "cheval" wouldn't be shocking at all, because Chevalier is a title , and it goes beyond fighting on horse back.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No really . Law is subjective. It based on if and who enforces these laws. If a law is made and no one follows it or enforces it, it becomes pointless. Corruption or not makes no difference. It's the people  of the state that makes the laws and these people select agree who enforces them and make sure they are done correctly. 

LoL first law is a set of rules that society enforce (at least should) on population if law says that you can't murder it is still law same with tevinter and blood magic but as i said due to promoting corruption among authorities law doesn't work but bard is till outlaw and in daylight they have to play entertainers not bard.As leliana said authority turn a blind eye on that what bards are doing so yes they are breaking law but as i said due to corruption in country enforcement of it is impossible unless bard is caught.