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[Bad King]

Just thought I'd start a thread to discuss having an ultimate pro-human playthrough for all three Mass Effect games i.e the decisions/actions that should be taken to ensure human dominance. It involves a mix of paragon and renegade decisions as well as a degree of metagaming. Goal: to strengthen humanity at any cost while weakening those who threaten humanity (aka every other race).

 

General

1. Background: earthborn + ruthless.
2. General behaviour: spare humans where you can (provided that sparing them won't weaken humanity in any way) and kill aliens when the options present themselves.

Mass Effect 1

1. Romance Ashley and save her on Virmire - she is more explicitly pro-human than Kaidan. If you choose to romance and save Kaidan, be sure to persuade him to be more anti-alien with high renegade ability.
2. On Feros, save all the colonists at Zhu's Hope with the exception of Ledra and Shiala (the aliens).
3. On Noveria, kill the rachni Queen.
4. On Virmire, kill Wrex and let Kirrahe die (with him and Thane dead the salarian councillor will die in ME3). Let Rana live - she kills asari military officials in ME3.
5. Let the council die and select Udina as human councillor.
6. Kill Balak (crippling the batarians by ME3).
7. Support the Terra Firma party.
8. Refuse to give the Cerberus data to the Shadow Broker.
9. With the earthborn background, free the anti-turian human terrorist on the Citadel.
10. Side with Dr. Wayne (who is with Cerberus) and kill Corporal Toombs (who hunts Cerberus in ME2 otherwise).
11. Refuse to give the geth data to Tali.
12. Aid Gianna Parasini on Noveria (gets rid of Anoleis).
13. Kill Chorban and turn Jahleed in to C-Sec.

Mass Effect 2

1. Romance Miranda and invite Kelly for dinner.
2. Destroy Maelon's genophage data.
3. On Zorya, go against Zaeed and save the human facility.
4. Kill Joram Talid during Thane's loyalty mission.
5. Rewrite the geth heretics (see my rationale below for why I selected this).
6. Let Garrus kill Sidonis.
7. Side with Morinth against Samara (Morinth dies in 3 anyway).
8. Be pro-Cerberus where you can with the exception of leaving David in the Overlord device (he dies for nothing if you leave him whereas he strengthens humanity in ME3 if you release him). Give Veetor to Cerberus and give Cerberus the data found during the N7 mission.
9. During the Suicide Mission, have everyone but the humans die. Exceptions are having Morinth live (who dies anyway in ME3) and having Kasumi die (allowing you to sacrifice the hanar homeworld in ME3).
10. Preserve the Collector Base.
11. Have Jack spare Aresh.
12. Spare Ronald Taylor.
13. Turn in evidence of Rael'Zorah's crimes to cause chaos amongst the quarians

Mass Effect 3

1. Romance whichever human you choose.
2. Destroy the rachni breeder (who otherwise turns against humanity).
3. Sabotage the genophage and kill Padok Wiks in the process (weakens the krogan who are a threat to humanity).
4. Missions to avoid: Cerberus bomb mission on Tuchanka and Geth Network mission on Rannoch: they lead to catastrophic losses for the krogan and quarians respectively (both of whom are a threat to humanity).
5. Wipe out the geth: the heretics that were earlier preserved will be destroyed while in turn severely weakening the victorious quarians (a pyrrhic victory). Wiping out the geth is revenge for the attacks on Eden Prime, Feros and Noveria while also removing the bigger threat (geth) and lessening the smaller threat (quarians who are now severely weakened).
6. Have Koris die to further weaken the quarians
7. Have Kelly change her identity (she survives and fights for humanity as a result).
8. Have Javik remember his past - he plans to commit suicide after the game is done.
9. Spare Oleg Petrovsky.
10. Have Jack's students take a support role (keep them to serve humanity rather than getting them killed).
11. Kill Falere (Samara's daughter).
12. Take Korlack's bombing fleet and allow the Turian colony to be attacked.
13. Sacrifice the hanar homeworld - save the spectre instead.
14. Save Maya Brooks and attempt to save the Shepard clone (both are strongly pro-human).
15. Control the reapers to ensure human dominance throughout the galaxy.
16. As themikefest notes below, having an EMS below 1900 and having Liara and EDI in the party in the beam run will lead to their deaths. Thus, combined with losing Garrus and Tali in ME2 and Javik following his suicide post ME3, all your alien party members will be dead if you choose this course of action. This comes at the cost however of losing more humans during the final battle against the reapers and so is more optional than the previous points.

All three games

1. Do not punch the reporter who is herself a human nationalist: instead respond with the intimidate options (same for all games).
2. Be nice to Conrad Verner who is a human supporter of Shepard.

Any other ideas/disagreements on how to achieve the ultimate pro-human playthrough?

[themikefest]

ME1

On Virmire, kill Rana Thanopolis and let Kirrahe and Kaidan/Ashley die. Save Wrex for ME3

Let Balak go saving the hostages

 

ME2

Mordin kills Maleon. save data

 

ME3

kill Balak

shoot Mordin in the back, don't do Turian bomb letting Eve die and later kill Wrex on the citadel

with no Thane and Kirrahe the Salarian councillor is killed

with ems at 1750-1900, T'soni and robot are killed on beam run

let TIM kill Anderson

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ME1: 6. Kill Balak (crippling the batarians by ME3). <--Doing this will kill a large group of humans.

ME2: 1. Romance Miranda and invite Kelly for dinner. <--Kelly loves all species, she's even had sex with a varren. She might work for Cerberus, but she's hardly pro-human.

ME3: 12. Sacrifice the hanar homeworld - save the spectre instead. <--Pretty sure Kasumi needs to die in ME2 for this to be possible.

 

Kelly is pro-human. Pro-human =/= anti-alien.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

This is beautiful. Humanity first!

[Bad King]

ME1: 6. Kill Balak (crippling the batarians by ME3). <--Doing this will kill a large group of humans.

ME2: 1. Romance Miranda and invite Kelly for dinner. <--Kelly loves all species, she's even had sex with a varren. She might work for Cerberus, but she's hardly pro-human.

ME3: 12. Sacrifice the hanar homeworld - save the spectre instead. <--Pretty sure Kasumi needs to die in ME2 for this to be possible.

 

1). Balak sabotages human assets on the Citadel if you let him live - those three hostages aren't worth the destruction he causes later from a pro-human point of view. Plus killing him completely messes up the batarian hegemony (even more than it was anyway with the reaper arrival).

2). She's still pro-human and she brings ex-Cerberus engineers to Shepard's side who help serve humanity rather than remaining in hiding.

3). See my ME2 Suicide Mission comment.

[Bad King]

ME1

On Virmire, kill Rana Thanopolis and let Kirrahe and Kaidan/Ashley die. Save Wrex for ME3

Let Balak go saving the hostages

 

ME2

Mordin kills Maleon. save data

 

ME3

kill Balak

shoot Mordin in the back, don't do Turian bomb letting Eve die and later kill Wrex on the citadel

with no Thane and Kirrahe the Salarian councillor is killed

with ems at 1750-1900, T'soni and robot are killed on beam run

let TIM kill Anderson

I disagree with a few things here. It's actually better to let Rana live - she murders asari military officials in ME3. Regarding Wrex- if you spare him then kill him in 3 the krogan turn isolationist and remain on Tuchanka rather than throwing themselves (and thus dying in droves) at the reapers - which would greatly weaken them as a species. Also, why bother saving the genophage data? 

 

Letting TIM kill Anderson is a tricky one. As a pro-human, you would perhaps allow TIM (as the saviour of humanity) to fulfil his last wish, but Anderson is himself a pro-human who was somewhat anti-council in ME1, so you might want to let him live a little longer.

 

Edit: I'll add your final point to the list, thanks!

[Bad King]

In regards to 1, the solution: Let him live in ME1, kill him in ME3. Plus, don't you want the batarian hegemony "messed up"? For 3, didn't see your SM comment. Makes more sense now.

 

Problem is, he sabotages the Alliance in ME3 prior to killing him. To clarify my point about the hegemony, I was arguing why it is best to kill him in ME1 (such a playthrough would indeed want the hegemony messed up).

[Zazzerka]

Besides, killing Balak results in a mere three deaths. If you think that Cerberus, the most ruthlessly pro-human organization there is, would be above that, well..

[Obadiah]

If Kaiden lives long enough, you should renegade convince him to be anti-alien.

[themikefest]

I disagree with a few things here. It's actually better to let Rana live - she murders asari military officials in ME3. Regarding Wrex- if you spare him then kill him in 3 the krogan turn isolationist and remain on Tuchanka rather than throwing themselves (and thus dying in droves) at the reapers - which would greatly weaken them as a species. Also, why bother saving the genophage data? 

 

Letting TIM kill Anderson is a tricky one. As a pro-human, you would perhaps allow TIM (as the saviour of humanity) to fulfil his last wish, but Anderson is himself a pro-human who was somewhat anti-council in ME1, so you might want to let him live a little longer.

Regards to Anderson. He's a piece of crap. That is why I let him be killed by TIM

 

Saving the genophage just add's insult to injury when you let Wrex assume Eve will live when later she will die from not doing the bomb

 

With Rana I just kill her since I hate Asari.

[Bad King]

If Kaiden lives long enough, you should renegade convince him to be anti-alien.

 

True, this is certainly an option for femsheps. Does this affect later games at all?

[Mcfly616]

That's looks pretty fun....


I always enjoy a good low ems playthrough.

[DeinonSlayer]

Eh. I'm no Council sycophant, but I fail to see how destroying aliens wherever the opportunity presents itself equates to pro-human.

I'd have liked the option to agree with Ashley's bear-and-dog analogy in ME1.

[Mcfly616]

Eh. I'm no Council sycophant, but I fail to see how destroying aliens wherever the opportunity presents itself equates to pro-human.
I'd have liked the option to agree with Ashley's bear-and-dog analogy in ME1.

yeah, OPs list seems more like an "Anti Alien" playthrough. I'd imagine a Pro-Human playthrough would be the one that benefits humanity the most. Wiping out as many aliens as possible doesn't exactly strengthen humanity.

[Bad King]

Eh. I'm no Council sycophant, but I fail to see how destroying aliens wherever the opportunity presents itself equates to pro-human.

I'd have liked the option to agree with Ashley's bear-and-dog analogy in ME1.

 

Because it removes the competition (and opposition) making humanity's conquest of the stars and domination of the galaxy simpler.

[Kingthlayer]

What about killing the Quarians, and then choosing destroy with Liara and Javik in the party?

[Bad King]

What about killing the Quarians, and then choosing destroy with Liara and Javik in the party?

 

Possible, though humanity then lack a reaper armada to conquer the galaxy with.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

How can she be pro-human AND want all races to be seen as equals? No offense, but major logic fail there.

 

On your part yes, there is a major logic fail. You haven't described your conclusion at all. The two are not mutually exclusive in the slightest.

 

How exactly are you coming to the conclusion that pro-human is anti-alien, or even how supporting the growth and increase in strength for humanity is in any way detrimental to other races? Am I bad for being pro-human because I believe humanity deserves a larger role in galactic politics alongside the other powerhouse races? Am I bad for wanting to have issues affecting humanity being put on the same level as issues affecting the Turians or Salarians or Asari? Am I bad for wanting humans to have more to bring to the table in what they offer the galaxy? Am I bad for wanting to see humanity be a strong, independent, productive race? Are any of those in any way detrimental to the 'equality' of other species? Your conclusion makes no sense.

[DeinonSlayer]

Because it removes the competition (and opposition) making humanity's conquest of the stars and domination of the galaxy simpler.

Shepard the conquistador. I think I'll pass.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Shepard the conquistador. I think I'll pass.

 

Sounds ok to me. If humanity is the last race standing, what's the problem?

[DeinonSlayer]

Sounds ok to me. If humanity is the last race standing, what's the problem?

I'd rather not get there via the destruction of all others. Mutually-beneficial relationships between species can be established without subordinating our interests to theirs. As I see it, each species acts in their own interest - it's no sin for humanity to do the same. I'll happily tell Paragon Shepard where to stick the appeasement rhetoric; doesn't mean I'm down for galactic conquest.

...except Batarians. Because f*** Batarians.

[themikefest]

Too bad there wasn't a choice to have all species killed along with the reapers leaving humanity the only one's alive.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Too bad there wasn't a choice to have all species killed along with the reapers leaving humanity the only one's alive.

 

Renegade Control kinda works (with headcanon).

[Obadiah]

On your part yes, there is a major logic fail. You haven't described your conclusion at all. The two are not mutually exclusive in the slightest.

How exactly are you coming to the conclusion that pro-human is anti-alien, or even how supporting the growth and increase in strength for humanity is in any way detrimental to other races? Am I bad for being pro-human because I believe humanity deserves a larger role in galactic politics alongside the other powerhouse races? Am I bad for wanting to have issues affecting humanity being put on the same level as issues affecting the Turians or Salarians or Asari? Am I bad for wanting humans to have more to bring to the table in what they offer the galaxy? Am I bad for wanting to see humanity be a strong, independent, productive race? Are any of those in any way detrimental to the 'equality' of other species? Your conclusion makes no sense.

 

Well, it means that no one from another race can trust you with their race's welfare if humanity has something to lose, because your agenda is to maximize humanity. See your next post.
 

Sounds ok to me. If humanity is the last race standing, what's the problem?

 

Your pro-human position apparently includes allowing and not caring that other races to perish. Sounds anti-alien.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'd rather not get there via the destruction of all others. Mutually-beneficial relationships between species can be established without subordinating our interests to theirs. As I see it, each species acts in their own interest - it's no sin for humanity to do the same. I'll happily tell Paragon Shepard where to stick the appeasement rhetoric; doesn't mean I'm down for galactic conquest.

...except Batarians. Because f*** Batarians.

 

It's an option for me, like any other. None of my goals require it, so I'm fine with not doing it. It's not economical or efficient to do it without Control, which isn't something I'd like to do if it does what I think it does.

 

Would you really be fine with missing out on something for humanity so that another race can make a gain through some ideal of altruism that won't be reciprocated?