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Well, you are, judging by the amounts of relative complaining that I've heard, having less fun than we who don't futilely rail against things like having enough decency to feel bad about the fall of whole planets.

Why should I care. In the case of Thessia, had the stupid asari revealed the artifact earlier, the loss my not of been as bad. So again why should I care when the Asari government didn't care?


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Well, if you are, as you claimed prior, a sociopath, there's not really much point in trying to explain because you'll be unable to comprehend it.

 

I can comprehend it just fine. I just don't feel the same about it. Honestly, try to make an actual argument. What advantage do I get by 'feeling sorry'?


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Argh, so much self-righteous preaching, this is a roleplaying thread, just accept that many of us find this sort of thing fun and stop telling us what we should or shouldn't have a good time doing.



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Why should I care. In the case of Thessia, had the stupid asari revealed the artifact earlier, the loss my not of been as bad. So again why should I care when the Asari government didn't care?

I don't really care what you think or not, I'm just saying that you have had, overall, less fun than I and mine have.

 

 

I can comprehend it just fine. I just don't feel the same about it. Honestly, try to make an actual argument. What advantage do I get by 'feeling sorry'?

Feeling sorry is not the advantage in and of itself; rather, the ability to be so is an advantage for sapient life overall, and by extension yourself, as empathy enables you to work better together with others.



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I don't really care what you think or not, I'm just saying that you have had, overall, less fun than I and mine have.

 

 

I don't give a flying crap what you think. You know the Asari messed up whether you like it or not.



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 >Blob accusing others of not reading. banderas_zps5ff52f1a.png ... the irony is off-the-charts.



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Feeling sorry is not the advantage in and of itself; rather, the ability to be so is an advantage for sapient life overall, and by extension yourself, as empathy enables you to work better together with others.

 

I already work well with others. I manipulate them to get what I need and want. As far as evolution is concerned, it doesn't matter how I do something, as long as it gets done.  


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I don't give a flying crap what you think. You know the Asari messed up whether you like it or not.

Which... wasn't the subject of my post either way. I'm just referring to relative fun levels.

 

 

I already work well with others. I manipulate them to get what I need and want. As far as evolution is concerned, it doesn't matter how I do something, as long as it gets done.  

Evolution doesn't have an end goal, so that's a meaningless statement. It's kind of like saying "as far as gravity is concerned, it doesn't matter whether I stand or lie down."



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I already work well with others. I manipulate them to get what I need and want. As far as evolution is concerned, it doesn't matter how I do something, as long as it gets done.  

 

 

By that you mean "I pick the evil 'manipulative' options in video games and benefit from them because the developers are...generous enough to allow it"?



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Evolution doesn't have an end goal, so that's a meaningless statement. It's kind of like saying "as far as gravity is concerned, it doesn't matter whether I stand or lie down."

 

Evolution does indeed have a purpose and a goal: Survive. No matter what it takes.

 

I'm doing just that.


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By that you mean "I pick the evil 'manipulative' options in video games and benefit from them because the developers are...generous enough to allow it"?

 

Are you saying that the 'evil, manipulative' perspective wouldn't last in real life? 

 

Do you know anything about the modern political system?


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Evolution does indeed have a purpose and a goal: Survive. No matter what it takes.

 

I'm doing just that.

No it doesn't. Evolution is a process that just happens as certain organisms live or die. If you're referring to the urges within organic beings to keep their own genes intact, that's different, although I don't really see why exalting your own genes is any more objective than exalting morality. It's just based on a more primitive biological urge.



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Don't forget to take Grunt on Archangel's suicide mission - the Krogan leader of the Blood Pack (Garn?) will behead a Vorcha for fun. True, its only one Vorcha, but every little bit counts.

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Seriously guys, please step off your high-horses: this is a roleplaying thread which advises on creating a playthrough where the other races are weakened as much as possible while humanity is empowered, leading to galactic dominance.

 

It is pro-human in the Maya Brooks sense rather than the TIM sense. Obviously I don't normally do playthroughs like this (I for one am a big salarian fan!), but I thought it would be fun to design one so that humanity has the most relative power at the end of the trilogy.

 

I think the problem is that many of your choices are not "pro-human", or help humanity. For example your ideas for Feros (a human colony). Both Shiala and Ledra help Zhu's Hope grow and prosper. Shiala leads a militia of Zhu's Hope colonists waging a surprisingly effective campaign against encroaching Reapers -> (human) colonists survive the war. Ledra is simply a merchant, and trade is usually a good thing. Killing them doesn't help Zhu's Hope because the colony is probably destroyed by the reapers.


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The timing of the asari beacon doesn't matter too much because the crucible isn't finished until chronus station.
Knowing that the citadel is the catalyst earlier (which the asari had no knowledge that that was what the beacon would say) might have meant securing it earlier with more forces but that runs into:
1) must save earth no matter what the sensible solution hence the sudden oooh let's move the citadel so we actually have a reason to go there
2) creating a nice target for the reapers to annihilate everyone at once at their own pace

So I'm fine with it to be honest, I like the reveal of the origins of the asari and the shattering of liaras world view. I also like the regular asari you meet on the mission.

That's me though, others disagree but that's life.

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The timing of the asari beacon doesn't matter too much because the crucible isn't finished until chronus station.
Knowing that the citadel is the catalyst earlier (which the asari had no knowledge that that was what the beacon would say) might have meant securing it earlier with more forces but that runs into:
1) must save earth no matter what the sensible solution hence the sudden oooh let's move the citadel so we actually have a reason to go there
2) creating a nice target for the reapers to annihilate everyone at once at their own pace

So I'm fine with it to be honest, I like the reveal of the origins of the asari and the shattering of liaras world view. I also like the regular asari you meet on the mission.

That's me though, others disagree but that's life.

 

Vendetta said it was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built (according to Hackett they finished it by the time you attack Cronos Station). Revealing it earlier wouldn't have changed a thing. Well, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol...assuming the scientists studying the beacon could have even activated the VI without Shepards cipher.


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Good point, forgot that.

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No it doesn't. Evolution is a process that just happens as certain organisms live or die. If you're referring to the urges within organic beings to keep their own genes intact, that's different, although I don't really see why exalting your own genes is any more objective than exalting morality. It's just based on a more primitive biological urge.

 

I just said what the basic premise of evolution is. The social darwinism aspect anyway. What exactly is objective about morality that makes it a higher purpose than reproduction? Otherwise, your premise on evolution is flawed. It's a change in species as time goes on do to genetic hikes and changes caused by a variety of factors. It's not a process that 'just happens as organisms live or die'.


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Vendetta said it was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built (according to Hackett they finished it by the time you attack Cronos Station). Revealing it earlier wouldn't have changed a thing. Well, maybe the final battle would have taken place in the Serpent Nebula and not in Sol...assuming the scientists studying the beacon could have even activated the VI without Shepards cipher.

 

I feel like that brings up a lot of other questions though. Why does Vendetta have these odd and random security requirements? It's like the Protheans didn't want anyone to build the Crucible because Shepard and the Organics almost stumble into all the activations by accident.

 

How does it tell if the Crucible is complete? The whole thing seems to be jury rigged together. In fact the most important components (at least in terms of gameplay), the human Reaper parts, aren't even installed.



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@Massively
Evolution selects traits. In humans, so far it has selected for morality and cooperation. One can claim any manner of behavior as right, but only time will tell if that behavior is selected by evolution.

I really don't see why evolution would select a needlessly confrontational worldview that you are espousing. It just seems counterproductive.

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I just call my "Ultimate Pro-human playthrough" my canon



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I feel like that brings up a lot of other questions though. Why does Vendetta have these odd and random security requirements? It's like the Protheans didn't want anyone to build the Crucible because Shepard and the Organics almost stumble into all the activations by accident.

 

How does it tell if the Crucible is complete? The whole thing seems to be jury rigged together. In fact the most important components (at least in terms of gameplay), the human Reaper parts, aren't even installed.

 

Shepard: If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this.

Vendetta: It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready.

This doesn't make much sense of course. In previous cycles, the Reapers always attacked the Citadel first...



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 If Vendetta was able to merge with our systems earlier it could've pointed out things to help in building the Crucible quicker. We don't know.

 

It still remains the Asari govenrment failed to reveal the artifact earlier that could've/would've saved lives. All they cared about was retaining their #1 ranking. They didn't give a crap about the other species. So why should I care about them?


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All they cared about was retaining their #1 ranking.


I missed that bit of dialogue / codex entry.

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 If Vendetta was able to merge with our systems earlier it could've pointed out things to help in building the Crucible quicker. We don't know.

 

It still remains the Asari govenrment failed to reveal the artifact earlier that could've/would've saved lives. All they cared about was retaining their #1 ranking. They didn't give a crap about the other species. So why should I care about them?

 

Well the Asari government. The same thing could be said of the Alliance but that wouldn't damn humanity would it?