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[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's true, in all my days not once have I seen a single lady spin the comedy gold we've seen from this man, JimboGee. 

[Mes]

^^ Hmm or a Imma-throw-you-out-this-window-to-your-death a la femShep.  I would love that. It would give this weird sexism an actual story purpose anyway.

 

Yeah, ladies, can you name a good female comedian?

 

CHECK AND MATE

 

I can't tell if this is serious or not. This thread honestly does something to me. Also please try not to go off topic.

 

But since you ask, there are plenty of female comedians (not necessarily stand-up) that I love. Ellen Degeneres, Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig are just ones that popped into my head right off the bat.

 

If there are not enough female comedians in the world, it's more due to unequal opportunities than it is to the fact that one gender's chromosomes differ from the other's.

 

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Yeah JimboGee... sigh.  I'm assuming he's an old man? If that's the case then it's really not the purpose of this thread to re-educate his generation on the proper treatment of human beings of the opposite gender. Oi I feel a headache coming on.

[Zazzerka]

I can't tell if this is serious or not. This thread honestly does something to me. Also please try not to go off topic.

 

One of Jimbo's arguments was that of female comedians. I thought that was kind of ridiculous. I'm never as serious on the BSN as I might make myself out to be, so no, I am definitely not serious.

 

Kitty Flanagan is hilarious.

[MattH]

Personally I'd rather see gender neutral dialogue and interactions across the board, other than pronouns and perhaps titles (my lord/my lady etc).

[Mes]

One of Jimbo's arguments was that of female comedians. I thought that was kind of ridiculous. I'm never as serious on the BSN as I might make myself out to be, so no, I am definitely not serious.

 

Kitty Flanagan is hilarious.

 

Oh thank goodness sorry I just get so confuuuused hahaha 

 

Pffft seriousness is for bebes.

[JimboGee]

^^ Hmm or a Imma-throw-you-out-this-window-to-your-death a la femShep.  I would love that. It would give this weird sexism an actual story purpose anyway.

 

 

I can't tell if this is serious or not. This thread honestly does something to me. Also please try not to go off topic.

 

But since you ask, there are plenty of female comedians (not necessarily stand-up) that I love. Ellen Degeneres, Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig are just ones that popped into my head right off the bat.

 

If there are not enough female comedians in the world, it's more due to unequal opportunities than it is to the fact that one gender's chromosomes differ from the other's.

 

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Yeah JimboGee... sigh.  I'm assuming he's an old man? If that's the case then it's really not the purpose of this thread to re-educate his generation on the proper treatment of human beings of the opposite gender. Oi I feel a headache coming on.

 

This will be my final comment on the matter and the I will let it go. First of all Ellen is not famous because she's funny. She's famous because she came out as being gay. If that makes you a rockstar these days then whatever. Her acting career which I vaguely remember was not a very good one.

 

Secondly, It has nothing to do with unequal oppurtunities. You, got the same opportunites I did. We both went to school got an education. If I dont make it to the head of a company it's because I'm not good enough at my job but if you don't then somehow there is some major conspiracy going on because you have a vagina? Maybe there is... or maybe you're just not good enough. Must be why Margaret Thatcher never became Prime Minister. Or Angela Merkel never became chancellor of Germany. Black people make the same claim. "Because I'm black I dont get the same chance as white people". Its bullshit.

 

Third and finally, I was raised by my mother I was taught to respect women. What I wasn't taught to do was take crap from people or allow them a pass simply because they are female.

[Ispan]

Removing my comment because it was sarcasm and had nothing to add to the actual topic.

[oceanicsurvivor]

That Leliana moment is a great example of how Thedas social issues can be discussed and deconstructed in game. I definitely hope we have more moments like that. However, interestingly, in Mass Effect you have the opportunity to change Ashley's opinion about aliens (if you haven't played, she is skeptical about how much trust humanity can put in other species.) She has gotten a lot of heat and hate for being 'the racist squadmate'. It's interesting Leliana never got the same backlash (that I'm aware of) and I wonder if the reaction to Ashley's POV has caused caution or discouraged the writers from writing similar arcs for future companions? I mean, that moniker of the racist squaddie pretty much followed her through the whole trilogy/defined her to a lot of people.

[Lady Nuggins]

That Leliana moment is a great example of how Thedas social issues can be discussed and deconstructed in game. I definitely hope we have more moments like that. However, interestingly, in Mass Effect you have the opportunity to change Ashley's opinion about aliens (if you haven't played, she is skeptical about how much trust humanity can put in other species.) She has gotten a lot of heat and hate for being 'the racist squadmate'. It's interesting Leliana never got the same backlash (that I'm aware of) and I wonder if the reaction to Ashley's POV has caused caution or discouraged the writers from writing similar arcs for future companions? I mean, that moniker of the racist squaddie pretty much followed her through the whole trilogy/defined her to a lot of people.

 

I came into the ME trilogy pretty late in the game, so I haven't read a lot of other people's reactions to Ashley.  But to me, she struck me as much more open and aggressive about her anti-alien stance, and it spans across multiple conversations.  If you play as male Shep and express any interest in Liara, she talks about making nice with the "bug-eyed monsters."  The fact that you can change Ashley's mind about aliens (not just get her to be quiet about it) came as news to me because I usually let her die in my games.  That's probably why she has that reputation--most people who are put off by her probably let her die instead of sticking with her to see how she develops as a character.

 

With Leliana, I think it's just that one conversation where she says some ignorant things about elves, and only if you play as an elf.  And you can call her on it, and she'll realize how what she said came out as pretty offensive right within the conversation.

[Mes]

This will be my final comment on the matter and the I will let it go. First of all Ellen is not famous because she's funny. She's famous because she came out as being gay. If that makes you a rockstar these days then whatever. Her acting career which I vaguely remember was not a very good one.

 

Secondly, It has nothing to do with unequal oppurtunities. You, got the same opportunites I did. We both went to school got an education. If I dont make it to the head of a company it's because I'm not good enough at my job but if you don't then somehow there is some major conspiracy going on because you have a vagina? Maybe there is... or maybe you're just not good enough. Must be why Margaret Thatcher never became Prime Minister. Or Angela Merkel never became chancellor of Germany. Black people make the same claim. "Because I'm black I dont get the same chance as white people". Its bullshit.

 

Third and finally, I was raised by my mother I was taught to respect women. What I wasn't taught to do was take crap from people or allow them a pass simply because they are female.

 

Regarding Ellen, that's your opinion. If you can't see a person beyond their sexual preferences, that's your issue.

 

The second claim... I think comes down to a lack of education on your part. Things are definitely improved ten fold from before, but it's hardly perfect. You would have no idea, though, just like I as a white person don't really know the struggles that people of color go through on a daily basis. I certainly am not going to come out and comment that their struggles are imaginary, like you've just done.

 

Your third...claim... What are you trying to say, exactly? That your mother raised you to be a good person but to slap women's butts in the office? Would you like it if some man in your office slapped your behind?

 

You've come off as a complete creep, you know that, right? That you think it should be okay to touch women in a work environment (or any environment) in such an inappropriate area without their consent should be allowed is just... really disturbing.

 

You have no business commenting on a thread that suggests the removal of some sexist dialogue. I bet if you had it your way, we'd have lengthy scenes where we could choose to rape our companions. 

[oceanicsurvivor]

I came into the ME trilogy pretty late in the game, so I haven't read a lot of other people's reactions to Ashley.  But to me, she struck me as much more open and aggressive about her anti-alien stance, and it spans across multiple conversations.  If you play as male Shep and express any interest in Liara, she talks about making nice with the "bug-eyed monsters."  The fact that you can change Ashley's mind about aliens (not just get her to be quiet about it) came as news to me because I usually let her die in my games.  That's probably why she has that reputation--most people who are put off by her probably let her die instead of sticking with her to see how she develops as a character.

 

With Leliana, I think it's just that one conversation where she says some ignorant things about elves, and only if you play as an elf.  And you can call her on it, and she'll realize how what she said came out as pretty offensive right within the conversation.

I've never romanced Liara so I never heard that particular line actually haha.

 

Everything else she said struck me as being skeptical of how much trust we can put in one another militarily, since ultimately everyone will protect 'their own'. And she kinda ends up being right, since the council in ME3 says almost exactly what she is afraid they would if backed into a corner 'I'm afraid the sad truth is while the Reapers focus on Earth we have time to regroup/save our own'.

 

It'll be interesting to see if similar prejudices are discussed and then to what length,where on the Leliana to Ashley Williams spectrum of opening hearts and minds will it fall.

 

There is the recently introduced (as far as I know, since I don't recall it from either game) of the mages calling non-mages mundanes...which is pretty Tevinter y. Interesting nuances that could arrive from the Kossith Inquisitors presence; discussing the difference between species and religion/way of life. Conversations about this sort of thing strike me as potentially really great areas for companion dialogue and growth. What I don't need/want is a companion spouting off real world sexism so my Inquisitor can correct them. That just sounds exhausting and disheartening.

 

I also don't need all the companions to muse philosophically about these issues the entire time, but having conversations about larger real world issues would seem fairly appropriate given the Inquisitors role in society.

[KaiserShep]

This will be my final comment on the matter and the I will let it go. First of all Ellen is not famous because she's funny. She's famous because she came out as being gay. If that makes you a rockstar these days then whatever. Her acting career which I vaguely remember was not a very good one.

 

Amazing. Basically, because she isn't funny in your opinion, her fame obviously has little merit beyond one controversial moment in television, and she's been riding that wave ever since. Wonders never cease on the internet, I swear.

[Stelae]

This will be my final comment on the matter and the I will let it go.

The door.  Your butt.  Not to let the hitting happen.  Because that might get the poor door sacked, and we wouldn't want that, now, would we? 

[Bugsie]

 That was such a brilliant line of dialogue, and I wanted to give a high five to whoever wrote it.  It illustrated the character of Leliana, while also expanding on our knowledge of the setting, and the way you deal with it is calmly and rationally pointing out her racist assumptions.  It's a much more realistic portrayal of how racism usually plays out--not usually as something overtly offensive said by an evil person, but as generally nice people being brought up to think a certain way and not seeing the problem with it.  I'd love it if we could address sexist dialogue in the same way.  Well, maybe with headbutting as the aggressive option, and "don't you see how what you said is silly?" as the nicer one.

I've always seen the orlesians as imperialistic and Leiliana embodies that to perfection. I too thought that bit of dialogue illustrated her character perfectly and it played out as real without actually being real. The broader assumptions and pettiness of racism is played out without you actually thinking 'gee she's evil' just unthinking, inexperienced and really playing into that social/class divide she was born into. It was a lot like Ashley in a way, hers being more 'a fear of the other' rather than overt racism.

Also, thankyou, Bioware, for the ignore feature and allowing me to filter out the bile.

[Mockingword]

Name one world wide successful female comedian. No please go ahead I'll be here waiting. I'm talking Micheal Jackson famous by the way.

Rebel Wilson is an Australian female comedian who has recently achieved international success, with memorable roles in three Hollywood movies that I know of, plus her own sitcom which she both writes and stars in.

 

Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig and Amy Poehler are all well-known outside of the USA for their work on Saturday Night Live and elsewhere.

 

No male comedians are as famous as Micheal Jackson was, very few people are generally. The bar you've set is insane.

[Mockingword]

LOL "If you're going to use female heroes, at least make them real". Because we never invent male heroes. Captain America and the Batman movies are all based on true stories, don't you know.

[Mes]

Rebel Wilson is an Australian female comedian who has recently achieved international success, with memorable roles in three Hollywood movies that I know of, plus her own sitcom which she both writes and stars in.

 

Tina Fey, Kristen Wiig and Amy Poehler are all well-known outside of the USA for their work on Saturday Night Live and elsewhere.

 

No male comedians are as famous as Micheal Jackson was, very few people are generally. The bar you've set is insane.

 

Yeah and odd for the comparison because as far as I was aware, Michael Jackson was a pop star and not a comedian. 

 

Can Jimbo here name a male comedian on the same level as Michael Jackson?

 

This is just way too easy. I would add him to my ignore list but I'm honestly curious as to what he might say next. 

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Why on earth are we debating so fiercely about the real world now? God i hate you jimbo.

Why on earth are you asking for famous female comedians? Are you saying women can't be funny? That's not something that's even ever brought up in game? You're right fame isn't a good measure of how funny someone is? It's something subjective? I don't find Ellen to be the most brilliant comedian either? I don't think Seinfeld is funny at all? I think Natalie Tran is the one of the best comedians on youtube? Has no woman ever made you laugh? Why do you care how famous they are?

[Bugsie]

It's a sideshow to the topic I'm afraid, and obviously doing what it had intended from the start, derail the conversation, which from what I saw and participated in was lively and interesting. A certain individual managed to trick us into believing they were interested in genuine discourse. That has proven false.

[Mes]

That was such a brilliant line of dialogue, and I wanted to give a high five to whoever wrote it.  It illustrated the character of Leliana, while also expanding on our knowledge of the setting, and the way you deal with it is calmly and rationally pointing out her racist assumptions.  It's a much more realistic portrayal of how racism usually plays out--not usually as something overtly offensive said by an evil person, but as generally nice people being brought up to think a certain way and not seeing the problem with it.  I'd love it if we could address sexist dialogue in the same way.  Well, maybe with headbutting as the aggressive option, and "don't you see how what you said is silly?" as the nicer one.

 

I would absolutely love for something like this to be possible to combat sexism amongst humans in future DA games. Or get rid of every trace of sexism entirely. This in-between, no-man's land is very frustrating. 

 

It's a sideshow to the topic I'm afraid, and obviously doing what it had intended from the start, derail the conversation, which from what I saw and participated in was lively and interesting. A certain individual managed to trick us into believing they were interested in genuine discourse. That has proven false.

 

You are absolutely right. Back on topic we go! 

[Ryzaki]

...Main everytime I think I can't read something more ridiculous on this forum something like this happens. I need a f***ing drink.

[Mockingword]

WHO RUN THE WORLD?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

fight me irl jimbo

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And JimboGee is reported.

[Eveangaline]

Can people stop responding to the troll? It's acting stupid for attention and feeding it just encourages it to come back and mess up threads for more attention.