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[Teh_Ocelot]

Swarmers don't die by themselves. Not in 10 secs anyway. Test it yourself. Find a swarmer, CB it, and watch it for 10 secs. It'll die.

I'm pretty sure they do. I'll test tonight using tac scan, should give me an idea of how long they survive.

[Deerber]

Swarmers die by themselves. It's just kinda hard to notice because you probably made 10 laps around the map and oblierated next 3 waves in the meantime.

Yeah well, they don't die in 10 secs, so...

[me0120]

Swarmers don't die by themselves. Not in 10 secs anyway. Test it yourself. Find a swarmer, CB it, and watch it for 10 secs. It'll die.

Everything does if you wait long enough.

[MaxCrushmore]

Swarmers don't die by themselves. Not in 10 secs anyway. Test it yourself. Find a swarmer, CB it, and watch it for 10 secs. It'll die.

 

 

Sounds like an activity for Saturday night! Soo fun!!! (when combined with copious amounts of booze that is ...)

[MaxCrushmore]

I'm pretty sure they do. I'll test tonight using tac scan, should give me an idea of how long they survive.

Tac Scan 'synch kills' swarmers ...

[Teh_Ocelot]

Tac Scan 'synch kills' swarmers ...

....it...what? I don't...what? 

 

Ok, well....I'll just watch them from a distance then 

[Jaded4Chaos]

See, this is what happens when all the PC nerds leave.  At least Cyonan still makes an appearance to set us straight

[Dunvi]

See, this is what happens when all the PC nerds leave.  At least Cyonan still makes an appearance to set us straight

I am Cyonan.

Deerber, you know I love cryo blast. But it is empirically outshined off my host.

[Deerber]

I am Cyonan.

Deerber, you know I love cryo blast. But it is empirically outshined off my host.

It's just different. Things cannot be outshined if they are so different.

... What do you mean anyway, off your host? XD

[Deerber]

Everything does if you wait long enough.

10 secs is not what I'd call "long enough" though

[Tokenusername]

Everything [dies] if you wait long enough.

We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite.

[me0120]

It's just different. Things cannot be outshined if they are so different.

... What do you mean anyway, off your host? XD

 

Someone likes boosting their debuff

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

I am Cyonan.

Cyonvi is our savior.

[Miniditka77]

Wow, you must suck at this game. What platform do you play on?

 

You are basing this off of mooks? What need do you have to Cryo Blast any mook besides a Phantom/Dragoon/Collector Captain? If you are looking for stagger, a quick burst at a mooks head will take out their shield and then they are staggered. Your argument is literally worthless.

 

If you want to compare Tac Scan, Recon Mine, and Cryo Blast without damage I can do that. Recon Mine doesn't need targeting or line of sight, the 3 second primer is compared well to Cryo Blast's 2.22 second cooldown with a CSR X. Recon Mine is also separated from Tactical Cloak cooldown and can be primed before the next cycle. The point is, unless you are considering one mook (not reason enough to warrant a debuff) Recon Mine is a better debuff in every way. And for Tac scan. The choice between AoE Tac Scan and the extra 10% can be tough. For the extra 10%, duration is longer and you only need line of sight during the beginning of the animation. The shorter cooldown means you can enter cloak faster. For the AoE, you get a damage bonus on a good sized area and don't need line of sight. 

 

You must suck at life, if someone disagreeing with you about a video game on the internet gets you worked up enough to resort to childish name calling.

 

Maybe I do suck at this game, who knows.  I'm better than most, but certainly not elite.  I know that I don't headshot every mook with 100% accuracy (especially if they're moving and I'm using a low damage-per-shot weapon).  Having a power that staggers mooks and makes body shots do more damage helps me kill faster, and most of the enemies that you have to kill (and most of the enemies that kill you) are mooks.  Also, re: bosses - a lot of them can travel out of the Recon Mine scan range before the debuff even takes effect.

 

I think Cryo Blast is a better debuff than Recon Mine or Tac Scan, and I think it synergizes with the CSR better.  Nothing you said makes me change my opinion. 

[me0120]

You must suck at life, if someone disagreeing with you about a video game on the internet gets you worked up enough to resort to childish name calling.

 

Maybe I do suck at this game, who knows.  I'm better than most, but certainly not elite.  I know that I don't headshot every mook with 100% accuracy (especially if they're moving and I'm using a low damage-per-shot weapon).  Having a power that staggers mooks and makes body shots do more damage helps me kill faster, and most of the enemies that you have to kill (and most of the enemies that kill you) are mooks.  Also, re: bosses - a lot of them can travel out of the Recon Mine scan range before the debuff even takes effect.

 

I think Cryo Blast is a better debuff than Recon Mine or Tac Scan, and I think it synergizes with the CSR better.  Nothing you said makes me change my opinion. 

 

Lol show me where I called you a name. I just said you suck at a game, and apparently I'm right.

 

It's not my fault you mistake "easier" for "better".

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Enough of this nerd talk.There's only one way to solve this. Thundadome!!!!!

 

 

I miss Zae.

[Miniditka77]

Overload is hitscan, better CC, and generally results in dead infantry faster than biotic comboes or warp ammo primed shooting. That's why I value it higher.

 

In theory you can get 3 explosions in three casts. In practise, getting two enemies to stay within 2m of a Singularity long enough for the cooldown to pass and then be hit by the slow as hell Shockwave, and then have another enemy near the Singularity ~3s later to be hit by Warp, it's not the easiest thing to set up. And against a single target, you only get 2 explosions, and that's only if the enemy is kind enough to stay within 2m of the Singularity for 8s, which they are often not.

 

In addition to the faster Warp + Throw comboes, I was also referring the Sentinel's faster tech comboes due to Throw. With Incendiary Ammo and a light shotgun like Talon or Wraith, Sentinel can kill infantry simply by shooting them once in the face and casting Throw for a Fire Explosion.

 

Sentinel has better CC because of 2m radius, ~1s cooldown, ~1000N Throw. Enemies can dodge it? A dodging enemy is a controlled enemy, so I don't really care.

 

Yeah, Overload is great, and it synergizes better with powerful weapons.  I think Singularity is just as good though.  Singularity can let you do a ton of AOE damage with all the explosions.   I can actually get 3 explosions a decent amount with the HA, and 2 explosions in 3 casts is much easier (and still good).  Definitely works a lot better on closed maps.

 

I think the way you described is the best way to play the Human Sentinel - using Throw and a good weapon with Incendiary Ammo to detonate tech combos.  I just don't think it works as well as the biotic explosion factory that the HA can be.  The fact that so many people can give so many different answers about which is the "worst" class shows how good all the vanilla Humans are.

[Miniditka77]

Lol show me where I called you a name. I just said you suck at a game, and apparently I'm right.

 

It's not my fault you mistake "easier" for "better".

 

"You suck" isn't name calling in your world?  Whatever.

[me0120]

Enough of this nerd talk.There's only one way to solve this. Thundadome!!!!!

 

 

I miss Zae.

 

That's why I was trying to find out what platform he/she played on. :/

[me0120]

"You suck" isn't name calling in your world?  Whatever.

 

Sorry, I guess my skin is just a little thicker. I'll concede defeat if you beat this with the HI.

 

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

"You suck" isn't name calling in your world?  Whatever.

Wait, if I say someone sucks I'm calling them a name? I always thought name-calling was stuff like "assbutt"

[Miniditka77]

 

Sorry, I guess my skin is just a little thicker. I'll concede defeat if you beat this with the HI.

 

 

I didn’t respond that way because what you said bothered me.  I saw you being a dick, so I decided I’d be a dick in return.

 

No, I can’t match your score, and I’m positive you would destroy me in Thunderdome.  I have only soloed Gold, and haven’t even tried soloing Platinum (doubt I would be able to do it if I tried).  That just makes you a better player than me.  It doesn’t make you right. 

[millahnna]

I'm amazed at how many people are saying the Novaguard... Are we playing the same game guys?

 

Well for one thing I rarely host.  But even when I do, it's absolutely the last vanguard I'll play.  I do not understand nova at all.  I've read all of the guides, watched the videos, tried out different builds; on paper, I get it.  In practice; dafuq am i doin?

 

I can rock every single other vanilla human with solid effect (I'm not great with the human soldier but I work her in my own way).  I can play most of the other vanguards just peachy (I have a Krogan dysfunction but I can still make him dance a bit).  But I will die in the first ten seconds of bronze consistently with the novaguard.  I don't get it.

[GTRSX]

I'm amazed at how many people are saying the Novaguard... Are we playing the same game guys?

Ok Here are my thoughts:

 

HA - Probably one of the best adepts, No need to rely on others to prime enemies + singularity is useful for ragdolling unshielded enemies(health)

Hsol - Ad.Rush makes him almost as powerful as an infiltrator + free shields too + DR too.

HI - TC, nuff said and Cryo blast as a debuff vs armor too

HE - one of the easier engineers to play as he can set off both tb's and fe's without relying on others and ammo powers.

HSent - Slightly behind the HA but more tankier and again no need to rely on others for priming. Warp + throw = good enough.

 

Now the  Novaguard.

The thing is he's good but among the above 5, he does lack dmg output.

Dont get me wrong, he's crazy fun to play, but looking at effectiveness, he always needs to rely on others for detonating combos/use ammo powers. True he does have iFrames from Nova but that isnt doing much to make the enemies die faster.

 

All other vanilla humans are self reliant. They can be played even without a cyclo mod and that gives them a slot for any other useful mod.

The Novaguard, due to his very nature of cqb'ing with the enemy makes it necessary for a cyclo mod on him. True he can use ammo powers for detonating combos, but most enemies have defences(Barriers/Shields) that need to be brought down first and tech bursts arent that great imo when using Novaguard. I guess people would be rather charging and novaing most of the time so as to get the most out of iFrames and relying on teammates to prime enemies for combos.

 

Anyway, just my 2 cents!

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

hi if I have to say.