"Keeper, I have decided to become a templar. You will be my first apostate prisoner."
Awkward to say the least.
This made me laugh way harder than it should! I'm a bad bad rogue. 
@Emissary: Oh gods...the only thing that comes to mind....
"The feather, use the feather!"
Can someone clarify something please? When the warden is communicating with the gem/arcane warrior spirit, it mentions that arcane warriors were used to defend their "charges". Who were the charges and was this a form of elven templar but without the whole Chantry thing? If this is so, then maybe the Dalish had a type of templar equivalent already who were not the Emerald knights.
The Dales had elven mages among the nobility that governed the kingdom, so this is unlikely. They view magic as a gift of the Creators. They believe their ancestors were all mages.
The specialization is also for elven mages, so I don't see how the Arcane Warrior would be the equivalent of a templar. The specialization reads: "Among the ancient elves, there were mages who trained their magical arts to augment their martial prowess. They channeled magical power through their weapons and bodies, becoming terrors on the battlefield. Most consider these skills lost forever, but they may still linger in forgotten corners of the world."
To what end? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I am playing a bit of devil's advocate. Wouldn't it make sense if the Arcane Warrior was meant to have a more benign version of the Templar's role? They can have similar goals, but different methods.
To what end? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I am playing a bit of devil's advocate. Wouldn't it make sense if the Arcane Warrior was meant to have a more benign version of the Templar's role? They can have similar goals, but different methods.
The description of the Arcane Warrior specialization seems to just describe them as being "terrors on the battlefield."
@ LobselVith8 This is why I asked. I was confused as to who they were guarding, and what they were guarding against. As the Jedi Master pointed out. they could have just been guarding inhabitants, but doesn't that turn them into a city guard type role? Whereas you are saying they were more like front line troops.
They could function as either one. Like Jedi or something.
If we see an elven templar I want him to be the most outrageously anti-mage one we have ever seen
Templar as in having templar skillset? Probably. You con count Fenris as one.
Templar as in actual Chantry templar? Unlikely. Elves are at the bottom of Ferelden society and no one would have allowed elf to become a templar.
I think the Chantry see magic as a necessary and useful tool - provided that it is under control and constantly supervised. I got the feeling that Templars were not always the second son of a rich man. Anyone with the faith and will to guard against unsanctioned magic and if required to, fight it, would be welcome regardless of race or sex. During the Circle quest, most of the Templars that the Warden fought, wore full face helmets, who is to say some of them were not Elven? Or even elven women?
We are entering into a situation in DA:I where factions have fractured and previously devote followers have become disillusioned. With all this chaos, there is no one in charge. An elven Templar on hearing rumours of an elven uprising might be torn between duty and their racial background, they might then question their loyalties.
@Master Warden maybe we ought revive the reversal argument thread again?
Evangeline was almost created as an elf in Dragon Age: Asunder, as elves are not barred from becoming templars but are merely very uncommon in their ranks. At the last moment they decided to make her human.
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
You might as well ask why City Elves worship Andraste/The Maker.
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
Their marriages are arranged by an elder in the Ailenages, but they are married by a Chantry priest. They invoke the name of the maker, not the creators, as signs of relief. This seems to be the belief of the average city elf, take someone who has the same religious view as say Leliana, and the idea they they might have a better life seems plausible to me.
Their marriages are arranged by an elder in the Ailenages, but they are married by a Chantry priest. They invoke the name of the maker, not the creators, as signs of relief. This seems to be the belief of the average city elf, take someone who has the same religious view as say Leliana, and the idea they they might have a better life seems plausible to me.
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
Because when you live at rock bottom, you'd take any change to make a better lot for yourself and your family.
The Chantry oppresses and exploits mages in Circles just as it oppresses and exploits elves in alienages, so why serve the Chantry that keeps your people in working poverty? The elves as a culture are more community-oriented than humans, so why break from your people to work for/be more like humans?
Wut?
Since when does Chantry exploit alienages and since when does it keep the elves in poverty? If anything, the Chantry is more open toward elves, given that elves can join and gain positions within the Chantry and the templars.
Atheists and plenty of other people from various religions invoke the name of God as relief or what have you too, though. And can an elder perform the ceremony for marriage, I'm not familiar with the cultures custom? Do they have the right people for that? The City Elves are much more modernized than the Dalish but I don't think that makes their average beliefs Andrastian.
Well, Briala, Celene's elven handmaiden, states in the preview of The Masked Empire without an ounce of doubt that she is Andrastian and believes in the Maker.
Of course, many City Elves have more important things to think about in their every day life than deciding if they're devout Andrastians or not, but the same can be said of every other character in the series. So I can see several elves believing that being a Templar is their call. Another thing is that they will probably face more obstacles than a human candidate, but still, as I've said, it's their call.
Why would elf want to be a templar? You know a member of a military order directly controlled by a system of faith that encourages and condones the discrimination, oppression, impoverization and cultural destruction of the elven people both within and outside of the Alienages?
Because the Chantry doesn't encourage or condone it.
The discrimination, oppression, and impoveration is the work of the secular states and societies they live in and around. The cultural destruction, past the conversion to Andrastianism, is the result of the elves themselves letting go of the culture: fewer and fewer care, rather than anyone else demanding they forget/not practice/destroy their alienage trees.
The Chantry is explicitly open to elves, and is now actually one of the more progressive groups in terms of their value (all are equal in the eyes of the maker), the importance of approaching and involving them (the Chant to all corners of the world), and in being willing to service them and include them. The Chantry isn't the Elven patron organization, but it isn't the source or instigator of discrimination and has friendlier policies than many, even if many of its membership are themselves bigoted.
An elf not being a Templar of note is more likely to be for the same reason an elf being a Ferelden soldier of note than out of a Chantry dogmatic prejudice. Relative numerical presence, general social ostraciziation and racism, and similar factors. There are elves in the Chantry heirarchy, allegedly, and the Devs have indicated elves are somewhere in the Templars as well- just not put into the spotlight (yet).
Atheists and plenty of other people from various religions invoke the name of God as relief or what have you too, though. And can an elder perform the ceremony for marriage, I'm not familiar with the cultures custom? Do they have the right people for that? The City Elves are much more modernized than the Dalish but I don't think that makes their average beliefs Andrastian.
No, the fact that they converted to Andrastianism according to the lore would make their average beliefs Andrastian. It's the basis of the creation of the Alienages, actually: after the fall of the Dales the Chantry pressured the Andrastian states to give shelter to elves who converted to Andrastianism.
City Elves aren't modernized Dalish. City Elves are converted Andrastians who have been gradually letting go and losing the elvish culture they brought with them. This is a bit of a point in DA2's act 2 with the City Elves converting to the Qun: Petrice's fanatic who brings out the poison gas is a city elf who talks about the 'losing twice' aspect.
No no no!
An Elven Templar with the face of Athenril and the build of Isabela.
How can you turn down a dame like that?
Ahem, elves cannot have the build of Isabela, it's against the laws of physics.
The lack of any magic dampening abilities makes me think this isn't the case. They're the equivalent of a certain type of battle mage, a hybrid between warrior and mage; a knowledge gleamed because an ancient elf placed his consciousness inside a phylactery.
That, pretty much. AW are battlemages, while Templars are anti-magic warriors. Nothing in common, i'd say.
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As much as I dislike elves, I would pay good money for an elf Templar Paladin.
Who knows, maybe an elven Templar can change my viewpoint concerning city elves.
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