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[wcholcombe]

The move followed by kicking out missionaries was sending in armed and armored soldiers into foreign territory.

The templars were escorts for the missionaries.  They weren't a large enough force to do anything to the dalish.

I regard the dalish in the same light as all the religions of Thedas. Thoroughly and realistically intollerant of other religions.  Dalish suddenly taking an interest in the Chantry would have been a threat to the Dales and the Dalish power structure as it existed.  It makes sense for them to be intollerant.

[Dean_the_Young]

So you whitewash your races' sins and judge the other races on the sins of their ancestors. Like I said, I knew they'd be bigoted reasons. 

 

Not saying you're a bigot in real life, just in the game world.

 

Wait, what?

 

Saying he supports Humans and the Templar order doesn't equate to a whitewash of racial sinse and judging other races on the sins of their ancestors. That's a strawman argument.

[LobselVith8]

Whatever you say Dalish fanboy, whatever you say. 

 

That's not really much of a retort to pointing out that the elves kicking out the missionaries from the Dales isn't the same as attacking them, since we're addressing the Dalish historical account here.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Your races'? You're human too dull stone. 

 

Regardless I still support human expansionism, but it would be nice to get an elven Templar's view of things.

I know, and I judge humans for their ancestry just as much as I would the other races. 

 

 

Wait, what?

 

Saying he supports Humans and the Templar order doesn't equate to a whitewash of racial sinse and judging other races on the sins of their ancestors. That's a strawman argument.

He doesn't hate the humans for their past while condemning the elves and probably dwarves and qunari for theirs simply because he is human. 

[General TSAR]

That's not really much of a retort to pointing out that the elves kicking out the missionaries from the Dales isn't the same as attacking them, since we're addressing the Dalish historical account here.

I'm not engaging in a retort with a brick wall, I'm simply stating my position.

 

Don't like it? Deal with it. 

[General TSAR]

He doesn't hate the humans for their past while condemning the elves and probably dwarves and qunari for theirs. 

(FACEPALM)

 

I never condemned the Dwarves or the Qunari dull stone.

 

I respect them for being warriors or having a militaristic culture, they are worthy foes that deserve respect.

[LobselVith8]

A missionary is basically someone who walks around sharing their faith with people and doing good things to help others.  They aren't converting by the sword.  Also, if there are dwarves in Orzammar willing to convert to the Chantry, you can't really argue there were no elves in the Dales who might have been interested in hearing what the missionaries had to say.  Especially considering Andraste was associated with their freedom.

 

There's nothing to indicate anything other than the elves kicking out the missionaries from their territory. And sending the militant arm of the Andrastian Chantry into foreign territory is certainly an issue.

 

The templars were escorts for the missionaries.  They weren't a large enough force to do anything to the dalish.

I regard the dalish in the same light as all the religions of Thedas. Thoroughly and realistically intollerant of other religions.  Dalish suddenly taking an interest in the Chantry would have been a threat to the Dales and the Dalish power structure as it existed.  It makes sense for them to be intollerant.

 

The templars believe they have dominion over mages by divine right, and elven mages aren't controlled by templars in the Dales, to the point that some of them were among the nobility. That's clearly going to be an issue. I don't even see how it's defensible to excuse sending a military into a sovereign nation that has made it clear that trespassing into their land isn't acceptable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

(FACEPALM)

 

I never condemned the Dwarves or the Qunari dull stone.

 

I respect them for being warriors or having a militant culture, they are worthy foes that deserve respect.

Notice I said probably, not assuredly or something else more definite. 

[LobselVith8]

I'm not engaging in a retort with a brick wall, I'm simply stating my position.

 

Don't like it? Deal with it. 

 

I'm addressing that you were mistaken when you brought up the Dalish historical account, unless you were being intentionally misleading in the hopes that no one would notice. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, however.

[Lulupab]

My Nord and Imperial crushed any Elf he came across

 

Ball's in your court. 

 

But the human empire was owned by an alliance of wood elves and high elves, several times. the most recent was portrayed on Skyrim.

 

Wood elves went on a wild hunt and killed all members of Ysgramor dynasty, last being King Borgas. That plunged Skyrim into endless years of civil war and FOREVER ending their "holy" line of blood. Now they only have fake kings who have fake honors. Their legacy is forever destroyed by hippie elves laughing at them from their forests. I'd check out wild hunt link if I were you. Witness true power.

[wcholcombe]

There's nothing to indicate anything other than the elves kicking out the missionaries from their territory. And sending the militant arm of the Andrastian Chantry into foreign territory is certainly an issue.

 

 

The templars believe they have dominion over mages by divine right, and elven mages aren't controlled by templars in the Dales, to the point that some of them were among the nobility. That's clearly going to be an issue. I don't even see how it's defensible to excuse sending a military into a sovereign nation that has made it clear that trespassing into their land isn't acceptable.

Lob, you are agreeing with me.  The Chantry aren't a nation.  They are a religion.  The very act of the Dalish kicking the missionaries out initially is an example of religious intollerance.  They were kicked out because they were following their religious belief to spread the chant of light.  The possibility that some dalish might be attracted to that religious belief over the dalish religion is a threat to the Dales and said missionaries were kicked out.

 

What happened with the Templars being sent in is mute in the question of the Dalish being just as religiously intollerant as everyone else on Thedas.

[General TSAR]

I'm addressing that you were mistaken when you brought up the Dalish historical account, unless you were being intentionally misleading in the hopes that no one would notice. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, however.

Why thank you Keeper LobselVith8 for making an effort in reminding me that I must only I repeat tree-hugging nonsense from a declining culture or else you will complain and moan.

 

That's my last communique to you in regards to this matter, don't like it? Too bad.  

[LobselVith8]

Why thank you Keeper LobselVith8 for making an effort in reminding me that I must only I repeat tree-hugging nonsense from a declining culture or else you will complain and moan.

 

That's my last communique to you in regards to this matter, don't like it? Too bad.  

 

In other words, you don't actually have any resource for the basis of your statements.

[General TSAR]

But the human empire was owned by an alliance of wood elves and high elves, several times. the most recent was portrayed on Skyrim.

 

Wood elves went on a wild hunt and killed all members of Ysgramor dynasty, last being King Borgas. That plunged Skyrim into endless years of civil war and FOREVER ending their "holy" line of blood. Now they only have fake kings who have fake honors. Their legacy is forever destroyed by hippie elves laughing at them from their forests. I'd check out wild hunt link if I were you. Witness true power.

Thanks for the link, you also got a link for the benefits of specterphilla?

 

Lob, you are agreeing with me.  The Chantry aren't a nation.  They are a religion.  The very act of the Dalish kicking the missionaries out initially is an example of religious intollerance.  They were kicked out because they were following their religious belief to spread the chant of light.  The possibility that some dalish might be attracted to that religious belief over the dalish religion is a threat to the Dales and said missionaries were kicked out.

 

What happened with the Templars being sent in is mute in the question of the Dalish being just as religiously intollerant as everyone else on Thedas.

Shhhh......stay quiet. 

[LobselVith8]

Lob, you are agreeing with me.  The Chantry aren't a nation.  They are a religion.  The very act of the Dalish kicking the missionaries out initially is an example of religious intollerance.  They were kicked out because they were following their religious belief to spread the chant of light.  The possibility that some dalish might be attracted to that religious belief over the dalish religion is a threat to the Dales and said missionaries were kicked out.

 

What happened with the Templars being sent in is mute in the question of the Dalish being just as religiously intollerant as everyone else on Thedas.

 

The Chantry is a religious organization in a symbiotic relationship with Orlais, with neighbors having been conquered and converted in a series of Exalted Marches lead by Drakon in order to establish the Orlesian Empire.

 

The idea that the elves would prefer to be their own masters and worship their own gods, instead of being another conquest of Orlais, makes perfect sense.

[Lulupab]

 

Thanks for the link, you also got a link for the benefits of specterphilla?

 

Shhhh......stay quiet. 

 

 

No but I have links for racism if you are interested. I hear a certain people who their name is abbreviated into same letter repeated three times do good in this regard.

[General TSAR]

Anyway, usual nonsense by the usual suspects aside.

 

I would like to see more elven Templars, specially now that the Loyalist Templar Order has ceased to exist. Maybe the Chantry will allow the underprivileged city elves to become Templars to restore the loss of manpower. 

 

No but I have links for racism if you are interested. I hear a certain people who their name is abbreviated into same letter repeated three times do good in this regard.

Racism? You can be racist toward a fictional race? How nice.

 

But go ahead then, post them. 

[Zered]

Parshaara!

 

All shall submit to the Qunari Templar!

 

And you WILL be grateful.

 

[wcholcombe]

The Chantry is a religious organization in a symbiotic relationship with Orlais, with neighbors having been conquered and converted in a series of Exalted Marches lead by Drakon in order to establish the Orlesian Empire.

 

The idea that the elves would prefer to be their own masters and worship their own gods, instead of being another conquest of Orlais, makes perfect sense.

How exactly are missionaries going to conquer the Dales Lob?

It wasn't the orlesian military that went into the Dales with the missionaries, it was armed escorts. 

I swear, it makes sense and I don't begrudge them being just as intolerant as everyone else on Thedas, but you flat out can't admit the Dalish have any personal failing that all the other mortal races on Thedas have. I am not condemning them for it, it makes perfect sense.

[General TSAR]

 

Parshaara!

 

All shall submit to the Qunari Templar!

 

And you WILL be grateful.

 

 

That's a seeker Oxman right? 

[wcholcombe]

 

Parshaara!

 

All shall submit to the Qunari Templar!

 

And you WILL be grateful.

 

 

If that means the Valshoth Inquisitor has horns game on!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Parshaara!

 

All shall submit to the Qunari Templar!

 

And you WILL be grateful.

 

 

Is that official or fan art?

[Dean_the_Young]

I know, and I judge humans for their ancestry just as much as I would the other races. 

 

 

He doesn't hate the humans for their past while condemning the elves and probably dwarves and qunari for theirs simply because he is human. 

 

Or he doesn't hate any of them for their past, but condemns the others for their present policies. Which is independent of identifying with Humans in the setting.

 

You're seriously jumping to conclusions there. It is completely possible to condemn the other xeno-nationalistic groups of basis other than xenophobia.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Or he doesn't hate any of them for their past, but condemns the others for their present policies. Which is independent of identifying with Humans in the setting.

But he states he hates City Elves as well simply because of their Dalish ancestry. He's hating the ones who did conform as well as those who don't.